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Hangar18
05-17-2006, 10:25 AM
As was predicted at this very website, a "fan incident" has occurred at The Urinal. Of course, I didnt expect the Media to go in Spin Control and downplay the incident. The Cubs passed on having her arrested because it would mean her name would become public knowledge. (most of wsi knows her name already, Trixie McWrigley)

"we've got some great and knowledgeable fans ...." - Todd Walker on an why a baseball was thrown at the face of Jacque Jones in RF.
"you cant jump off the bandwagon yet" - Todd Walker on the majority of cub fans. Glad to see Todd finally knowing his fanbase.
"it was an isolated incident. We have passionate fans" -Len Kaspar
"I dont want to blow this up and make it bigger than it really is" -Mike Greenberg
"it was just 1 fan, these are really great fans" -Comcast
"we were just kidding around, he knows that" -Chad from Algonquin
"its tough love, were passionate fans" - Chad from Lakeview
"woman had a cold and took too much medicine impairing her" - VineLine
A cubs spokesman said the (drunken) woman who threw the ball was Detained by security (and later released) and wasnt arrested. The Cubs declined to release her name.
Unfortuneately, we didnt see front page giant color photos of security escorting fans to the exits as the lead story.

Despite winning the World Series in 2005, the White Sox INEXPLICABLY find themselves lagging Far Far Behind in Media Coverage to a team that, since 1990 has ZERO 90-win seasons, finished in 4th Place last year, and since 1950 has only THREE 90-win seasons. REPULSIVE

Chicago Tribune:
4 cub stories
3 sox stories
Chicago SunTimes:
4 cub stories
3 sox stories
Standings as of Wednesday May 17th, 2006
Priviledged, Media Owned, Media Favored, 4th Place in 2005 Cubs 443
Underdog, Media Maligned, Media Ignored, WS Champs in 05 SOX 378

Dan Mega
05-17-2006, 10:50 AM
(most of wsi knows her name already, Trixie McWrigley)


LOL, good one:redneck

jenn2080
05-17-2006, 10:53 AM
we've got some great and knowledgeable fans ...." - Todd Walker on an why a baseball was thrown at the face of Jacque Jones in RF.
"you cant jump off the bandwagon yet" - Todd Walker on the majority of cub fans. Glad to see Todd finally knowing his fanbase.
"it was an isolated incident. We have passionate fans" -Len Kaspar
"I dont want to blow this up and make it bigger than it really is" -Mike Greenberg
"it was just 1 fan, these are really great fans" -Comcast
"we were just kidding around, he knows that" -Chad from Algonquin
"its tough love, were passionate fans" - Chad from Lakeview
"woman had a cold and took too much medicine impairing her" - VineLine


Ok I hate these Media watch things. But this is just the dumbest thing I have seen. Im pretty positive that ball thrown at a players head isnt a just joking type of thing....also I can accept the passionate fans. BOO them dont throw baseballs at them. And the too much meds one is not even worth commenting on.

Chip Z'nuff
05-17-2006, 10:53 AM
Trixie McWrigley

Isn't that a bar in lakeview?

ode to veeck
05-17-2006, 11:01 AM
Isn't that a bar in lakeview?

Nope, just who you meet there.

ode to veeck
05-17-2006, 11:03 AM
time for the return of ...

:giantsnail

voodoochile
05-17-2006, 11:04 AM
Hangar, you want to improve your credibility, you have to acknowledge the 90 win season the flubbies had in 1998. You are in full spin mode otherwise.

You don't have to like the rules of baseball, but you do have to acknowledge them if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise you are no better than the media you profess to watch...

ode to veeck
05-17-2006, 11:11 AM
Hangar, you want to improve your credibility, you have to acknowledge the 90 win season the flubbies had in 1998. You are in full spin mode otherwise.

You don't have to like the rules of baseball, but you do have to acknowledge them if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise you are no better than the media you profess to watch...

LOL, but it is true Henry, besides, only four ninety win seasons in soooo many decades still pretty much sucks worse than anything; it's like the early Mets or the Preston Gomez Padres, only without the "new franshise" excuse and for so many, many, many, many more years--for that matter, the Scrubs hired Preston to continue his "magic" with the Northsiders!

ode to veeck
05-17-2006, 11:13 AM
I still can't believe there was no arrest, just mind boggling.

peeonwrigley
05-17-2006, 11:14 AM
How about a compromise: put an asterisk noting that it took 163 games to acheive those 90 wins and all can be happy.

1951Campbell
05-17-2006, 11:21 AM
Hangar, you want to improve your credibility, you have to acknowledge the 90 win season the flubbies had in 1998. You are in full spin mode otherwise.

You don't have to like the rules of baseball, but you do have to acknowledge them if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise you are no better than the media you profess to watch...

I like the MediaWatch, but Voodoo's right on this one.

Don't re-hash your arguments, I remember them. They are some of the finest-quality sophistry I've ever seen, and as an attorney, I appreciate that, but they're still wrong!

:D:

cheeses_h_rice
05-17-2006, 11:24 AM
I still can't believe there was no arrest, just mind boggling.

What? And have that go in the public record and ruin future comparisons of Wrigley vs. Cell safety that will inevitably run in the Cubune the next time there's a fan incident at the Cell?

daveeym
05-17-2006, 11:36 AM
What? And have that go in the public record and ruin future comparisons of Wrigley vs. Cell safety that will inevitably run in the Cubune the next time there's a fan incident at the Cell? OOOh, so this is like the, "No one's ever died at Disney World" thing eh?:wink:

Johnny Mostil
05-17-2006, 12:09 PM
Hangar, you want to improve your credibility, you have to acknowledge the 90 win season the flubbies had in 1998. You are in full spin mode otherwise.


And, honestly, isn't the flubbie record of suckitude powerful enough without exaggerating it?

Hangar18
05-17-2006, 12:13 PM
LOL, but it is true Henry, besides, only four ninety win seasons in soooo many decades still pretty much sucks worse than anything; it's like the early Mets or the Preston Gomez Padres, only without the "new franshise" excuse and for so many, many, many, many more years--for that matter, the Scrubs hired Preston to continue his "magic" with the Northsiders!


Well in that case ................
The 2005 Chicago White Sox won 110 games last season

miker
05-17-2006, 12:13 PM
And, honestly, isn't the flubbie record of suckitude powerful enough without exaggerating it?
Not when an entire industry and subculture embrace and celebrate that suckitude!

Johnny Mostil
05-17-2006, 12:20 PM
Not when an entire industry and subculture embrace and celebrate that suckitude!

Fair point, I suppose, but if changing dat ole debbil flubsessed meedya depends on whether the flubbies won 89 or 90 games eight years ago before getting their asses handed to them by the Braves (who got whipped by the Padres who got swept by the Yankees) . . . well, I'm not sure whether to say Hangar's valiant battle is more uphill than I had realized or may even turn out to be easier than I had realized . . .

Scottiehaswheels
05-17-2006, 01:25 PM
Hangar... Just thought of a bit of homework you might wanna pursue.... Maybe go way back in the back pages of the Cubune/Sun Times and see what coverage was like for both teams before the Cubune bought the Cubs? then see how long it takes for the tide to turn in black and white?

Smokey Burg
05-17-2006, 01:25 PM
There have been only two World Series appearances in this town during my lifetime. Pathetic!!! Just on average each team should have at least 4 appearances. I will give Sox management a ton of credit for at least trying to improve the team over the last 5 - 6 years. The only time that Cub management tried to do that was during the mid to late 1980's under Dallas Green/ Jim Frey / Don Zimmer. Since then its been "sell the sunshine" and hope. Unfortunately, it appears to be working when they can draw the yokels out of Iowa to pay through the nose for a team that would have a hard time competing in AA ball. Oh well, I guess IOWA really does stand for Idiots Out Wandering Around. Thanks for letting me rant.

Lip Man 1
05-17-2006, 01:26 PM
Hangar:

They did. 99 in the regular season. 11 in the post season.

See that was easy. That's what baseball has always done regarding division of wins. Just like baseball has ALWAYS counted tie breaking playoff games as part of the regular season.

See that's not hard is it?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Lip

Johnny Mostil
05-17-2006, 01:49 PM
Just like baseball has ALWAYS counted tie breaking playoff games as part of the regular season.


Here's a fun fact related to that. According to http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_1959.shtml, Eddie Mathews led the National League in home runs in 1959, with 46. Ernie Banks was second with 45. But according to http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/09291959.htm, Mathews got his 46th homerun on 29 Sep 59, in the Braves' 156th game of the season, the second (and last) of a best of three they played with the Dodgers to determine the NL champion. So who wants to lead the campaign to reverse this egregious miscarriage of justice and see that Mr. Cub is properly recognized as the co-HR leader for that season?

voodoochile
05-17-2006, 02:52 PM
Here's a fun fact related to that. According to http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_1959.shtml, Eddie Mathews led the National League in home runs in 1959, with 46. Ernie Banks was second with 45. But according to http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/09291959.htm, Mathews got his 46th homerun on 29 Sep 59, in the Braves' 156th game of the season, the second (and last) of a best of three they played with the Dodgers to determine the NL champion. So who wants to lead the campaign to reverse this egregious miscarriage of justice and see that Mr. Cub is properly recognized as the co-HR leader for that season?

I'm sure Hangar is going to get right on that...:tongue:

Hangar18
05-17-2006, 02:55 PM
I'm sure Hangar is going to get right on that...:tongue:

Sure Will, heh heh. Everyone knows Ernie Banks doesnt get the credit in this town he deserves!

maurice
05-17-2006, 04:06 PM
The Cubtastic media is in full spin mode, calling this an unusual act by an "overserved" patron. *****. This is hardly an isolated incident. Getting drunk and throwing foreign objects (especially baseballs and trash) into the OF is a Cub fan's claim to fame. Assaulting players (both home and visiting) also is relatively common.

My question: How do you assault a professional baseball player on his home field and not even get arrested? What do you think happened to the guys who threw batteries, cell phones, hypodermic needles, etc. at other parks? Apparently, Cubune spin control >>> Cubune desire to protect their employees.

Unfortunately, the lack of a name in this case will prevent the Cubune from running periodic update articles on this chick years from now, right Mr. Knue? I mean, if you had her name, you DEFINITELY would give her the Dybass / Ligue treatment, 'cause you TOTALLY cover both teams the same.
:rolleyes:

Hangar18
05-17-2006, 04:15 PM
The Cubtastic media is in full spin mode, calling this an unusual act by an "overserved" patron. *****. This is hardly an isolated incident. Getting drunk and throwing foreign objects (especially baseballs and trash) into the OF is a Cub fan's claim to fame. Assaulting players (both home and visiting) also is relatively common.

My question: How do you assault a professional baseball player on his home field and not even get arrested? What do you think happened to the guys who threw batteries, cell phones, hypodermic needles, etc. at other parks? Apparently, Cubune spin control >>> Cubune desire to protect their employees.

Unfortunately, the lack of a name in this case will prevent the Cubune from running periodic update articles on this chick years from now, right Mr. Knue? I mean, if you had her name, you DEFINITELY would give her the Dybass / Ligue treatment, 'cause you TOTALLY cover both teams the same.
:rolleyes:

YUP ARRESTING her would make her name public information, and we here at WSI woudlve had a field day with her. They dont want that .............
it will be just like it never happened

CHISOXFAN13
05-17-2006, 04:24 PM
The Cubtastic media is in full spin mode, calling this an unusual act by an "overserved" patron. *****. This is hardly an isolated incident. Getting drunk and throwing foreign objects (especially baseballs and trash) into the OF is a Cub fan's claim to fame. Assaulting players (both home and visiting) also is relatively common.

My question: How do you assault a professional baseball player on his home field and not even get arrested? What do you think happened to the guys who threw batteries, cell phones, hypodermic needles, etc. at other parks? Apparently, Cubune spin control >>> Cubune desire to protect their employees.

Unfortunately, the lack of a name in this case will prevent the Cubune from running periodic update articles on this chick years from now, right Mr. Knue? I mean, if you had her name, you DEFINITELY would give her the Dybass / Ligue treatment, 'cause you TOTALLY cover both teams the same.
:rolleyes:

I have a hunch that the suspect might not have been 21. Just throwing it out there. If they arrest her, then she turns around and sues the Cubs for serving her alcohol. Not exactly the type of story that fits in on the North Side.

Goose
05-17-2006, 04:25 PM
YUP ARRESTING her would make her name public information, and we here at WSI woudlve had a field day with her. They dont want that .............
it will be just like it never happened

Not only that, but the Media (the Score's Murph, et al) have been joking bout this all day. Having callers call up and tell 'Judge Murph' what that lady's punishment should be...among the answers were...""She needs a good spanking and I think I should give it to her"..."She needs to be sentenced to house arrrest...my house"...it is sickening, and it goes to show that there is a clear double standard. If this was done on the South Side, it would be a MAJOR issue instead of a comic prop.

Lay off of Hanger.

Hangar18
05-17-2006, 04:36 PM
I have a hunch that the suspect might not have been 21. Just throwing it out there. If they arrest her, then she turns around and sues the Cubs for serving her alcohol. Not exactly the type of story that fits in on the North Side.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That definitely is motive right there. I think you are on to something there.
Why would they let someone like that just leave graciously?

Dan Mega
05-17-2006, 04:46 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That definitely is motive right there. I think you are on to something there.
Why would they let someone like that just leave graciously?

The Cubs could have just as easily claimed that they did not serve her and she must have gotten the alcohol from someone else near her. Honestly, I think the motive is more to keep the team and fans out of the negative press.

CHISOXFAN13
05-17-2006, 04:47 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That definitely is motive right there. I think you are on to something there.
Why would they let someone like that just leave graciously?

Its asanine that she wasn't arrested, and there has to be a reason behind it.

I have stuck up for the media before, but this story just about sent me over the edge. I can't believe the way it was handled by officials and covered by the press.

SOecks
05-17-2006, 04:51 PM
I have a hunch that the suspect might not have been 21. Just throwing it out there. If they arrest her, then she turns around and sues the Cubs for serving her alcohol. Not exactly the type of story that fits in on the North Side.

Great point. I'm looking forward to more info on this and hopefully there will be some fallout. At least we might hear more about it in the Sun Times (maybe).

Chip Z'nuff
05-17-2006, 04:52 PM
The story is mysteriosly gone from the tribs home page. It has been replaced with this gem
ChicagoSports: Catcher confused by cussing (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_whatsgoinon/2006/05/shiny_rings_str.html)
Not a joke!

Hangar18
05-17-2006, 04:55 PM
" we've got some Great and Knowledgeable Fans" - Todd Walker on Cub Fans throwing baseballs at them.

This is a quote from a fan of the north side team :
" ...the bleachers have also gotten real annoying, its no longer fun sitting there. People are retarded to begin with, add Beer and its unbearable. 99% know nothing about baseball and talk out of their ass" - Cub Fan on sitting in the "famous" bleachers

soxruleEP
05-17-2006, 05:55 PM
The story is mysteriosly gone from the tribs home page. It has been replaced with this gem
ChicagoSports: Catcher confused by cussing (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_whatsgoinon/2006/05/shiny_rings_str.html)
Not a joke!

Someone might want to inform those idiots that AJ did strike out--he reached first on the passed ball/catcher's error. The pitcher is credited with a strike out.