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chisoxmike
05-16-2006, 10:30 PM
Oh well...they tried. Lets win the series...

itsnotrequired
05-16-2006, 10:31 PM
Bah. Time to celebrate by going to bed and reading the media guide.

MrRoboto83
05-16-2006, 10:31 PM
Bullpen Boone, very ugly. Made it interesting though.

Viva Medias B's
05-16-2006, 10:32 PM
Maybe it's me, but were you scratching your head when Ozzie pulled McCarthy for Logan in the 5th inning in a 2-1 game? I was impressed with Logan in Tucson, but I think he needs to go to Charlotte.

DickAllen72
05-16-2006, 10:33 PM
Please get well soon, Jose Contreras!

samram
05-16-2006, 10:33 PM
Bah. TIme to celebrate by going to bed and reading the media guide.

Good call. I'm watching game 3 of the ALDS- just got the DVDs today.

Oh, as an aside, Ambiorix Burgos is awful.

Bobbo35
05-16-2006, 10:33 PM
I know I am going to get jumped on this one, but I think that Ozzie should have kept McCarthy in there for at least another inning. This game could have had a different twist on it. Way to come back though! Oh well, big John we need an outing from you tommorow. Go Sox

chisoxmike
05-16-2006, 10:33 PM
Maybe it's me, but were you scratching your head when Ozzie pulled McCarthy for Logan in the 5th inning in a 2-1 game? I was impressed with Logan in Tucson, but I think he needs to go to Charlotte.

:hawk
"Thats just so much stress for a man to handle. A relief pitcher starting and letting the lead off man on every inning."

:D:

Epark84
05-16-2006, 10:33 PM
why wont the tigers just go away? Damn kyle lohse sucked it up. I would have believed you if you would have told me the sox would be tied for first on may 16, but i would have thought it would be with the twins or injuns

viagracat
05-16-2006, 10:34 PM
Boone Logan is not ready. Period.

Liked the way the Sox battled back, but the mental errors by Logan put the Sox in a big hole. He needs work on playing his position.

Ah well, get 'em tomorrow. No dark cloud here.

DickAllen72
05-16-2006, 10:34 PM
Maybe it's me, but were you scratching your head when Ozzie pulled McCarthy for Logan in the 5th inning in a 2-1 game? I was impressed with Logan in Tucson, but I think he needs to go to Charlotte.
McCarthy threw too many pitches. He wasn't stretched out enough to go much further, and he let the leadoff man get on.

samram
05-16-2006, 10:35 PM
Please get well soon, Jose Contreras!

He's pitching Sunday.

oeo
05-16-2006, 10:35 PM
Maybe it's me, but were you scratching your head when Ozzie pulled McCarthy for Logan in the 5th inning in a 2-1 game? I was impressed with Logan in Tucson, but I think he needs to go to Charlotte.

Quite possibly McCarthy's arm wasn't ready to go any further? If McCarthy had started before, I'm sure they would have gotten another good 2 innings out of him. Time to see Logan AND Montero out of here.

The Tiggers have Johan tomorrow, so the Sox should be able to get the game back. We're still in first, don't jump off the ledge.

hi im skot
05-16-2006, 10:35 PM
i love this team. look at the bright spots:

-McCarthy pitched well. He did everything we could have asked him to do under the given circumstances.

-Montero also pitched well. Had some bad defense behind him, and still kept a level head.

-The top of the 8th inning. Nice rally, and we even gave Thome a chance to do his thing. Couldn't do it that time, but I'm thrilled that we even had that situation.

Hopefully, Garland can step up and get back the Jon Garland we know from 2005.

whitesoxfan
05-16-2006, 10:36 PM
why wont the tigers just go away? Damn kyle lohse sucked it up. I would have believed you if you would have told me the sox would be tied for first on may 16, but i would have thought it would be with the twins or injuns

ok, we are still tied for the best record in the majors. What more could you ask for?

We'll be fine. Our rotation will be back to 100% this weekend, so I don't think you'll see many more of these outings. BMac wasn't bad, but that pitch count killed him tonight.

Garland and Javy the next 2 days. We aren't going to be facing the likes of a Kazmir as well the next 2 days. Needless to say, I like our chances.

kittle42
05-16-2006, 10:36 PM
Anyone second-guessing Ozzie for pulling McCarthy must think about McCarthy's pitch count and the fact he had already thrown 82.

As far as putting in Logan, Ozzie has to use *someone* that isn't Politte or Cotts or Jenks down there (unfortunately).

Man, take this team with last year's bullpen...:bandance:

DickAllen72
05-16-2006, 10:36 PM
He's pitching Sunday.

I know. Let's hope he's 100% and also let's hope he's not rusty.

Epark84
05-16-2006, 10:37 PM
ok, we are still tied for the best record in the majors. What more could you ask for?

We'll be fine. Our rotation will be back to 100% this weekend, so I don't think you'll see many more of these outings. Fingernails on a blackboard wasn't bad, but that pitch count killed him tonight.

Garland and Javy the next 2 days. We aren't going to be facing the likes of a Kazmir as well the next 2 days. Needless to say, I like our chances.

no doubt the sox are fine. the tigers are just playing out of their minds

Bobbo35
05-16-2006, 10:37 PM
[quote=DickAllen72]McCarthy threw too many pitches. He wasn't stretched out enough to go much further, and he let the leadoff man get on.[/quote/]

He could have stayed in another inning and pitch out of it. He did the inning before.

hi im skot
05-16-2006, 10:38 PM
[quote=DickAllen72]McCarthy threw too many pitches. He wasn't stretched out enough to go much further, and he let the leadoff man get on.[/quote/]

He could have stayed in another inning and pitch out of it. He did the inning before.

No offense, but you're dreaming. McCarthy obviously had a very strict limit on his pitch count. We might need him out of the bullpen in the near future.

oeo
05-16-2006, 10:39 PM
He could have stayed in another inning and pitch out of it. He did the inning before.

Like DickAllen72 said, his arm isn't conditioned right now to throw 100+ pitches, he couldn't take anymore, I'm sure. If anything, this is what is going to get Boone sent down.

DickAllen72
05-16-2006, 10:39 PM
[quote=DickAllen72]McCarthy threw too many pitches. He wasn't stretched out enough to go much further, and he let the leadoff man get on.[/quote/]

He could have stayed in another inning and pitch out of it. He did the inning before.

He already threw over 80 pitches. Ozzie & Coop had him on a strict pitch count, probably wisely so.

cheeses_h_rice
05-16-2006, 10:40 PM
Some of the worst defense I've seen in some time, too -- hey, Boone, next time get your ass over to first base! That single play could have blown the game wide open for the D-Rays.

I too question why McCarthy only pitched a few innings.

Bobbo35
05-16-2006, 10:40 PM
[quote=Bobbo35]

No offense, but you're dreaming. McCarthy obviously had a very strict limit on his pitch count. We might need him out of the bullpen in the near future.

He is not a baby anymore.

infohawk
05-16-2006, 10:41 PM
Anyone second-guessing Ozzie for pulling McCarthy must think about McCarthy's pitch count and the fact he had already thrown 82.

As far as putting in Logan, Ozzie has to use *someone* that isn't Politte or Cotts or Jenks down there (unfortunately).

Man, take this team with last year's bullpen...:bandance: What's really exciting is that I have no doubt that KW will improve the bullpen before it's all said and done. Hopefully Jeff Nelson pans out, but imagine this team if KW transforms the 'pen from a semi-liability into a strength. The bullpen is actually not bad for a team that has five pitchers that go deep into games. The weaknesses of the bullpen are exposed when they have to pitch too many innings, as they did during Haeger and McCarthy's starts.

HotelWhiteSox
05-16-2006, 10:41 PM
Hopefully this is a kick in the ass for not taking crappy teams lightly (losses against KC, Seattle, Tampa Bay), wouldn't care about the loss as much if didn't look bad with stupid mistakes (a lot with Boone I guess, and 3 errors)

Bobbo35
05-16-2006, 10:44 PM
Hopefully this is a kick in the ass for not taking crappy teams lightly (losses against KC, Seattle, Tampa Bay), wouldn't care about the loss as much if didn't look bad with stupid mistakes (a lot with Boone I guess, and 3 errors)

Ya, I guessed I am pissed too by seeing Boone make 3 boneheaded plays out there that cost them big time. I see where everyone is coming from with the pitch count, but come on let him fight out of the inning.

JB98
05-16-2006, 10:44 PM
Anyone second-guessing Ozzie for pulling McCarthy must think about McCarthy's pitch count and the fact he had already thrown 82.

As far as putting in Logan, Ozzie has to use *someone* that isn't Politte or Cotts or Jenks down there (unfortunately).

Man, take this team with last year's bullpen...:bandance:

No kidding. A lot of people think this year's team is better than last year's. Only time will tell for certain, but my response is we're just not at that level quite yet. The lack of depth in our bullpen is the primary reason. We're susceptible to the big inning because of the suspect middle relief. Fortunately, there are 120-some games left for the Sox to sort it out. We know we're going to be in the hunt come season's end. We know we can win a ton of games despite our weaknesses, and we have a ton of time to fix those weaknesses. We're all bitching about the 10th and 11th men on our pitching staff. I remember a time in the not-too-distant past where we had only two legitimate big-league starting pitchers. It's nice to be in a position to nitpick like this.

infohawk
05-16-2006, 10:44 PM
I blame this loss on Ozzie wearing glasses at the beginning of the game. Oh, and somehow Hanger's at fault too - I just haven't figured out how yet.

TornLabrum
05-16-2006, 10:46 PM
I blame this loss on Ozzie wearing glasses at the beginning of the game. Oh, and somehow Hanger's at fault too - I just haven't figured out how yet.

It's simple: Every loss is Hangar's fault.

CubsfansareDRUNK
05-16-2006, 10:48 PM
I know McCarthy already threw 82 pitches, but seriously. Just leave him in for another inning. He pitched out of the last inning with the leadoff man on, why risk it with logan?

Bobbo35
05-16-2006, 10:48 PM
Here is the way I see it. Once the starting staff gets back on track with Jose back in the rotation, hopefully we will not need middle relief as much and just go to Cotts and Politte for the 7th and 8th and Jenks to close it out. This is what happened most of last year.

Bobbo35
05-16-2006, 10:49 PM
I know McCarthy already threw 82 pitches, but seriously. Just leave him in for another inning. He pitched out of the last inning with the leadoff man on, why risk it with logan?

I am right with you on that.

AntiSox
05-16-2006, 10:49 PM
The guys played poorly because there was nobody watching. Hopefully Garland can hold us tomorrow until we get on ESPN2 on Thursday night.

Kogs35
05-16-2006, 10:50 PM
The guys played poorly because there was nobody watching. Hopefully Garland can hold us tomorrow until we get on ESPN2 on Thursday night.

Chris Berman, Buck Martinez on the call for that one.

Lip Man 1
05-16-2006, 10:53 PM
Boone Logan blows...end of discussion.

This pitching staff has been getting hammered since 'Sammy' Hagear was brought up.

50 runs in the last six games. That's unacceptable for Little League let alone for the defending World Champs.

And the defense has gone right in the tank as well this past week.

Pick up the phone Kenny and start dialing and I don't mean Charlotte.

PS: From the AP recap of the game : "They entered Tuesday night batting a major league-low .230, including .199 over their previous 24 games."

:o: :o:





Lip

rookiewhitesox
05-16-2006, 10:53 PM
I know I am going to get jumped on this one, but I think that Ozzie should have kept McCarthy in there for at least another inning. This game could have had a different twist on it. Way to come back though! Oh well, big John we need an outing from you tommorow. Go Sox

I agree.

1917
05-16-2006, 10:57 PM
I hope AJ let Logan have it for not covering first. Horrible game, Uribe, good with the bat, bad with the glove tonight. Well, I did chalk this one up with a L because of Kazmier and we seem to have a helluva time playing at the Juice Box (we lost 2 out of 3 last year in that hell hole). Lets bounce back Wed and Thursday. I hope our trend of playing bad against poor teams (Royals, Rays, Seattle) stops against this NL team we are playing this weekend!

chisoxmike
05-16-2006, 10:57 PM
Boone Logan blows...end of discussion.

This pitching staff has been getting hammered since 'Sammy' Hagear was brought up.

50 runs in the last six games. That's unacceptable for Little League let alone for the defending World Champs.

And the defense has gone right in the tank as well this past week.

Pick up the phone Kenny and start dialing and I don't mean Charlotte.

Lip

YES! The bullpen isn't half as good as it was last season. It's time Kenny to start looking. There was a e-mail read tonight on the telecast by Hawk about what to do with Josh Fields since he is really hot in the minors and its looking like there wont be a place for him on the club since Crede seems like he has finally come around. My answer for Fields....package deal!

Corlose 15
05-16-2006, 11:06 PM
We need some dark clouds to liven this place up, talk about boring. :cool:

The sun rises the sun sets and the White Sox play like **** in Tampa Bay. I'm a little peeved at this loss, Kazmir is good but they sleepwalked through the first 7 innings tonight. Just once I'd like to see them go down to that piece of **** stadium and kick their asses around for three games. As for McCarthy, they wanted to keep him on somwhere around 80-85 pitches, there no sense in taking him beyond that.


Also, I'm not sure what they're going to get out of Jeff Nelson. I'm anticipating Mike Jackson part deux.

markopat
05-16-2006, 11:11 PM
i love this team. look at the bright spots:

-McCarthy pitched well. He did everything we could have asked him to do under the given circumstances.

-Montero also pitched well. Had some bad defense behind him, and still kept a level head.

-The top of the 8th inning. Nice rally, and we even gave Thome a chance to do his thing. Couldn't do it that time, but I'm thrilled that we even had that situation.

Hopefully, Garland can step up and get back the Jon Garland we know from 2005.


That's what I'm talking about! Great post Skot!!

Let's win tomorrow...then whip on the Northsiders!

Hitmen77
05-16-2006, 11:12 PM
Poor defense cost us this game.

I can accept our hitting being shut down by Kazmir, McCarthy not being conditioned yet to put in more innings, and - yes - even a less than perfect bullpen.

But those 3 straight miscues by Logan were brutal. Just painfully obvious that he jumped from A ball too quickly.

sullythered
05-16-2006, 11:15 PM
I'm not upset with Ozzie pulling Mr. Fingernails when he did. Sounds like Jose is doing fine, and will be back Sunday. He didn't want McCarthy totally out of wack (bullpen-wise) because this is probably a one time start. Something like what Hawk was saying about Ozzie not being afraid of losing one game for the greater good.

voodoochile
05-16-2006, 11:16 PM
Having flashbacks...

crappy defense...

crappy 5th slot in the rotation...

all or nothing offense...

Oh well... it was only one game and the Sox are still in first...:)

Hitmen77
05-16-2006, 11:16 PM
Please get well soon, Jose Contreras!

The Sox have scored 6 and 7 runs respectively in Jose's two missed starts - and lost them both. Here's hoping he's fully recovered.

markopat
05-16-2006, 11:18 PM
The Sox have scored 6 and 7 runs respectively in Jose's two missed starts - and lost them both. Here's hoping he's fully recovered.

Amen to that Hitmen!

Chips
05-16-2006, 11:20 PM
Maybe it's me, but were you scratching your head when Ozzie pulled McCarthy for Logan in the 5th inning in a 2-1 game? I was impressed with Logan in Tucson, but I think he needs to go to Charlotte.

Send him down now.

Hitmen77
05-16-2006, 11:23 PM
Here is the way I see it. Once the starting staff gets back on track with Jose back in the rotation, hopefully we will not need middle relief as much and just go to Cotts and Politte for the 7th and 8th and Jenks to close it out. This is what happened most of last year.


....and once Jose is back, we get McCarthy back in middle relief.

I think we'll be fine with Cotts, Jenks, McCarthy and a rebounding(??) Politte in our 'pen. I think Thornton is acceptable for the pen too. But, we do need someone to replace Logan because he's in over his head.

Lip Man 1
05-16-2006, 11:23 PM
As strange as this sounds I'm not totally bothered by the fact that Logan's been getting drilled like a rented goalie....but it was obvious he suffered a total loss of focus with the boneheaded plays in the field. He's shell shocked right now.

Continuing to run him out there will do one of three things, two of them bad:

1. Lose games.

2. Destory him mentally

3. He'll 'suddenly,' miraculously, learn how to pitch in the bigs overnight.

Somehow I'm not betting a lot on option #3.

Lip

voodoochile
05-16-2006, 11:24 PM
Send him down now.

It was funny, but not ha ha funny...

I am watching the game and the DRays squeak out those 3 straight IF hits to load the bases and scratch across the 3rd run. I am thinking, "Not how I expect Logan to give up runs."

Next pitch, Gomes drives one into the gap. I'm now thinking, "That's what I was expecting..." and then I started watching primetime...

drewcifer
05-16-2006, 11:26 PM
Boone Logan is not ready. Period.

Liked the way the Sox battled back, but the mental errors by Logan put the Sox in a big hole. He needs work on playing his position.

Ah well, get 'em tomorrow. No dark cloud here.

Perfectly said for me.

<Wouldn't change a word>

PeteWard
05-16-2006, 11:32 PM
....and once Jose is back, we get McCarthy back in middle relief.

I think we'll be fine with Cotts, Jenks, McCarthy and a rebounding(??) Politte in our 'pen. I think Thornton is acceptable for the pen too. But, we do need someone to replace Logan because he's in over his head.

What's the latest on Hermanson?

Lip Man 1
05-16-2006, 11:34 PM
Pete:

He's resumed throwing but at this point even Cooper said no one has any idea what he may have left.

The back injury obviously isn't going away. He had the entire off season to get better and it didn't happen.

You can't count on him...period. The Sox have said they won't even consider bringing him back up until he's proven to them he can pitch in successive nights.

Lip

rpac44
05-16-2006, 11:34 PM
Chris Berman, Buck Martinez on the call for that one.noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

anyway, about the game tonight: kazmir is good, however, if our bullpen would have done halfway decent, we would have won the game against their bullpen

no biggie though, i like our chances with mcclung vs. garland tomorrow, if for no other reason than big jon's due for a stellar outing :smile:

Corlose 15
05-16-2006, 11:35 PM
What's the latest on Hermanson?

His back hurts.:redneck

mike squires
05-16-2006, 11:36 PM
Ya, I guessed I am pissed too by seeing Boone make 3 boneheaded plays out there that cost them big time. I see where everyone is coming from with the pitch count, but come on let him fight out of the inning.

Yeah, If I had know it was Boone Logan bobblehead night, I wouldn't have went to the game. :)

drewcifer
05-16-2006, 11:36 PM
Boone Logan blows...end of discussion.

This pitching staff has been getting hammered since 'Sammy' Hagear was brought up.

50 runs in the last six games. That's unacceptable for Little League let alone for the defending World Champs.

And the defense has gone right in the tank as well this past week.

Pick up the phone Kenny and start dialing and I don't mean Charlotte.

PS: From the AP recap of the game : "They entered Tuesday night batting a major league-low .230, including .199 over their previous 24 games."

:o: :o:





Lip
I said the same thing last week as did a few other guys in the "Help Wanted - Relief " thread.

Moves can be made. The A's did just this week. May work out, may not, but throwing crap up like we did for 3 innings isn't going to cut it... pitching aside, he ****ed up as a ballplayer (talking about Boone) and that's not defending champ material.

Lip Man 1
05-16-2006, 11:50 PM
Well Bill Melton was pretty honest about his 'performance' on the post-game show (kudos to Bill)

Something else is bothering me and I'm not sure if I'm going to express this properly.

Jose Contreras is only going to miss two starts. He's had a 'minor' injury yet the pitching staff seems to be completely in disarray because of it. Is the bullpen staff that thin in talent or 'mentally fragile' that as soon as someone is moved out of their 'slot' or 'comfort zone' they fall apart?

God forbid what would happen if a starter got 'seriously' hurt and had to miss a lot of time?

I'm just surprised again that Kenny would go into the season willing to risk things on a bullpen that looks like a 'house of cards' that can collapse at any time. I mean they've already blown three games where the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later.

At least things will get back to 'normal' after tonight. But I sincerely hope that Kenny isn't deterred from fortifying a very weak piece of the team.

Lip

ndu3t4
05-16-2006, 11:51 PM
I said the same thing last week as did a few other guys in the "Help Wanted - Relief " thread.

Moves can be made. The A's did just this week. May work out, may not, but throwing crap up like we did for 3 innings isn't going to cut it... pitching aside, he ****ed up as a ballplayer (talking about Boone) and that's not defending champ material.

This is the worst part about it. My D2 COLT LEAGUE coach has been going over stuff like this with us. The kid isn't a major leaguer. I don't think his stuff is good enough either. I think we should give the righty a chance though. Also someone else brought it up, if Jose starts this game, we bring in Mac in the fifth, not logAAAn (Jose goes past the fifth anyway). This loss can be chalked up to not having our full team.

Also, I hate Kazmir. I couldn't stand the way he was jumping up and down when he didn't get calls on pitches that were blatently out of the zone.

voodoochile
05-16-2006, 11:52 PM
Well Bill Melton was pretty honest about his 'performance' on the post-game show (kudos to Bill)

Something else is bothering me and I'm not sure if I'm going to express this properly.

Jose Contreras is only going to miss two starts. He's had a 'minor' injury yet the pitching staff seems to be completely in disarray because of it. Is the bullpen staff that thin in talent or 'mentally fragile' that as soon as someone is moved out of their 'slot' or 'comfort zone' they fall apart?

God forbid what would happen if a starter got 'seriously' hurt and had to miss a lot of time?

I'm just surprised again that Kenny would go into the season willing to risk things on a bullpen that looks like a 'house of cards' that can collapse at any time. I mean they've already blown three games where the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later.

At least things will get back to 'normal' after tonight. But I sincerely hope that Kenny isn't deterred from fortifying a very weak piece of the team.

Lip

It will cost less talent to pick up a couple of bullpen arms now or in a month than it would have at the beginning of the season when everyone was still in first place.

The Sox can afford another couple of million and someone will be looking to unload some high priced reliever. Heck, Bobby Howry and Eyre may be hitting the market any day now...:D:

Goodman6
05-17-2006, 12:00 AM
I know McCarthy already threw 82 pitches, but seriously. Just leave him in for another inning. He pitched out of the last inning with the leadoff man on, why risk it with logan?

With McCarthy's high pitch count for his first start, I don't think Ozzie had much choice but to bring in Logan in the 5th. He did not want to use up some of the other guys in the Pen. I don't think Logan should be on the Major League roster, but since he is, then who else could Ozzie use in that situation. It came down to either Logan, Montero or Thornton.

The thing that bothered me more was that I thought Ozzie took some of our hitters out of the game a tad early. After all, we were playing Tampa; the team with the worst bullpen in baseball. Don't get me wrong, I am not second guessing Ozzie. He is the best manager in my book. I just wish we had Dye up in the 9th instead of Gload and Mr. late inning clutch, Crede, up in the 9th instead of Mackowiak. I would have used Mackowiak to hit for Anderson if we got that far in the order in the 9th. In any case, Ozzie is the still the best.

Deebs14
05-17-2006, 12:17 AM
The sun rises the sun sets and the White Sox play like **** in Tampa Bay.

It's usually the only time of the year when I get to see the Sox play live (unless I can get up to Chicago to visit) and I too wish they'd just quit the bull**** and take it to 'em non-stop. It's never easy to beat these guys down here.

At least the Sox didn't lose this one on a walkoff...I don't think I'd be able to take that **** for a third year in a row.

The Dude
05-17-2006, 12:23 AM
The Sox have scored 6 and 7 runs respectively in Jose's two missed starts - and lost them both. Here's hoping he's fully recovered.

6 or 7 runs are twice as many as Jose wouldve needed to close down ANY team in Major League Baseball. Get better soon and start sitting them down in a hurry!

Chips
05-17-2006, 12:27 AM
6 or 7 runs are twice as many as Jose wouldve needed to close down ANY team in Major League Baseball. Get better soon and start sitting them down in a hurry!

Amen to that. I want Jose back ASAP.

Lip Man 1
05-17-2006, 01:20 AM
I think lifetime the Sox are only like 17-16 at the Dome. That's pretty bad considering the pathetic clubs the Devil Rays have had.

Lip

WikdChiSoxFan
05-17-2006, 01:40 AM
what? :(:

cubsuck
05-17-2006, 06:49 AM
I think lifetime the Sox are only like 17-16 at the Dome. That's pretty bad considering the pathetic clubs the Devil Rays have had.

Lip

This team cannot beat the DRAYS down here @ the Trop. Maybe it's the fact that there are 8,000 people there, or the fact that they play them usually between two meaningful series'...I don't know. I do know that the ONLY losses I've ever seen in person the past two years...has been down here!!

Ugg...we'll get 'em tonight. That was their ACE last night...plus they had to use EVERYONE from their 'pen.

GO GO SOX!

ode to veeck
05-17-2006, 06:50 AM
Boone Logan blows...end of discussion.

This pitching staff has been getting hammered since 'Sammy' Hagear was brought up.

50 runs in the last six games. That's unacceptable for Little League let alone for the defending World Champs.

And the defense has gone right in the tank as well this past week.

Pick up the phone Kenny and start dialing and I don't mean Charlotte.

PS: From the AP recap of the game : "They entered Tuesday night batting a major league-low .230, including .199 over their previous 24 games."

:o: :o: Lip

:chickenlittle:

and the correct response is:

<...> Oh well... it was only one game and the Sox are still in first...:) ... with the best record in baseball when I last checked.

Besides the let downs on D (we're better than that) and the middle relief (we're better than that too with McCarthy in da pen), we can always just blame Hangar (maybe he needs a new case of tinfoil?)

ode to veeck
05-17-2006, 06:57 AM
... and it would be nice to have Herme back!! He did so much for us much of last year, but Voodoo's right, some relief could be a lot cheaper in mid-season

SOXPHILE
05-17-2006, 11:36 AM
I actually allowed myself to get a little hope during that 8th inning...alright, 10-6 now ! Another couple of hits, or a walk here, then they can actually tie it or take the lead with a homer or something...:redface:

On a side note, how odd is it to find ourselves pulling for the Twins against the Tigers over these next couple of days ?:nuts:

Hangar18
05-17-2006, 12:14 PM
Well Bill Melton was pretty honest about his 'performance' on the post-game show (kudos to Bill)

Something else is bothering me and I'm not sure if I'm going to express this properly.

Jose Contreras is only going to miss two starts. He's had a 'minor' injury yet the pitching staff seems to be completely in disarray because of it. Is the bullpen staff that thin in talent or 'mentally fragile' that as soon as someone is moved out of their 'slot' or 'comfort zone' they fall apart?

God forbid what would happen if a starter got 'seriously' hurt and had to miss a lot of time?

I'm just surprised again that Kenny would go into the season willing to risk things on a bullpen that looks like a 'house of cards' that can collapse at any time. I mean they've already blown three games where the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later.

At least things will get back to 'normal' after tonight. But I sincerely hope that Kenny isn't deterred from fortifying a very weak piece of the team.

Lip

This is a good post and these are all very Good Questions. Questions that the Media should be bringing up ....(instead of Pierre puff pieces, Jones is trying puff pieces, Fans show your passion, BOO team pieces)
We traded our WEAK links in Bullpen L Marte and R Vizcaino. KW replaced them with Position players and NEVER really made those spots STRONGER.
That is the only problem I see with the offseason. Guys like Eyre were available (why dont we have Guerrier again?) and we trusted those two BP Spots to UNTESTED ROOKIES? This is the American League. We have let a few games get away because of Logan/Thornton and the Tigers arent goign away anytime soon.

SBSoxFan
05-17-2006, 12:18 PM
Guys like Eyre were available (why dont we have Guerrier again?)
I thought the Sox went after Eyre both as a trade last season and as a FA this past offseason. I also thought, basically, Eyre didn't want to come here. Neither him nor Howry are worth the money IMO.

As far as Guerrier, didn't he get claimed by someone in the waiver line ahead of the Sox?

Railsplitter
05-17-2006, 12:29 PM
Whay is with the Sox that they have trouble playing in that dump in St Pete?

hawkjt
05-17-2006, 02:59 PM
Pat boyle on comcast last nite called it the ''mons venus'' effect down in Tampa.

PK had an interview yesterday on the radio and he suggested that they may have some trouble last nite '' cuz of the travel and stuff.''

He said they like the dome down there cuz it is the nicest visiting clubhouse in the league.

They looked sleepy for the first seven innings but kazmir is the reason. He is a punk but he can pitch when he is not showing up the ump.

Go get'em tonite , sox.

nsdjoe
05-17-2006, 03:16 PM
I bet we see some moves by the end of June to bolster the bullpen.

TDog
05-17-2006, 05:01 PM
It's usually the only time of the year when I get to see the Sox play live (unless I can get up to Chicago to visit) and I too wish they'd just quit the bull**** and take it to 'em non-stop. It's never easy to beat these guys down here.

At least the Sox didn't lose this one on a walkoff...I don't think I'd be able to take that **** for a third year in a row.

If the Sox lost in the DRays' last at bats in each of the last two years, they already would have three straight years of such. I don't remember last year's Tampa Bay games, but I saw the July 4, 2003, game on television. Maybe you missed it, but it looms large in the Koch legend.

Shift
05-17-2006, 05:23 PM
I agree with many of the sentiments in this thread. Williams needs to back up the truck. If only we had a GM/Manager that knew what they were doing.