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Viva Medias B's
05-13-2006, 10:03 PM
Dark clouds are in the forecast.

gobears1987
05-13-2006, 10:04 PM
**** the umps.

NSSoxFan
05-13-2006, 10:04 PM
Have at it dark clouds...

Joosh
05-13-2006, 10:04 PM
Can't win em all.

We gotta just take the bull by the horns and split the series.

Viva Medias B's
05-13-2006, 10:04 PM
**** the umps.

The umps screwed us, but we played like crap from that inning on. Gotta get 'em tomorrow night.

ndu3t4
05-13-2006, 10:05 PM
When the other team gets five outs per inning, its hard not to lose.

Let's get them tomorrow. That's the great thing about a team like this is there are so many stoppers. If Jon or Javier can't get it done, there's big Mark B. right around the corner. The same thing cannot be said for the North side.

flo-B-flo
05-13-2006, 10:05 PM
Dark clouds are in the forecast. Not here

Viva Medias B's
05-13-2006, 10:06 PM
Not here

Be patient, they'll roll themselves in. To them, three game losing streaks are cataclysmic.

Dan Mega
05-13-2006, 10:06 PM
That sucked.

Joosh
05-13-2006, 10:07 PM
When the other team gets five outs per inning, its hard not to lose.

Let's get them tomorrow. That's the great thing about a team like this is there are so many stoppers. If Jon or Javier can't get it done, there's big Mark B. right around the corner. The same thing cannot be said for the North side.

4 outs. The first call was the right one by the umpire.

JB98
05-13-2006, 10:07 PM
The blown calls have left me in a very, very bad mood. I'm extremely ****ing pissed about this loss. :angry:

WSox8404
05-13-2006, 10:07 PM
ugh.......thats about it......just ugh

Law11
05-13-2006, 10:07 PM
Can't win em all.

We gotta just take the bull by the horns and split the series.


30 runs given up in 3 games... Umps or not.. THAT SUCKS

patbooyah
05-13-2006, 10:08 PM
as wacky as it is to always be calling people dark clouds, i think that almost all sox fans will agree that the team played fine. the umps ****ed us. if that had been a strikeout we would have gotten another inning out of vazquez, etc.

let's not pre-emptively call everyone a dark cloud.

getonbckthr
05-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Losses happen gotta get over it and forget about it. New game tommorow can't dwell on it too long.

Jurr
05-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Umpiring sucked, but the sox pitching didn't respond. Garland's off, Garcia's off, Contreras isn't playing. It's going to be a little rocky until the pitching comes back around. If you remember this time last year, the boys had a little trouble with pitching for a spell. Every team's going to run into it.

With all of that said, the Sox have done a good job starting the season with a good record, and they have a little room to get things straightened out. Nobody's going to run them out of the division. Things are fine.:bandance:

WSox8404
05-13-2006, 10:08 PM
4 outs. The first call was the right one by the umpire.

Um, when the first baseman catches the ball with his foot on the bag before the runner gets there the runner is out. I am sure that is in the rulebook somewhere.

chisoxmike
05-13-2006, 10:08 PM
What were the blown calls? I saw the game on TV but the volume was off - I was in a resturant.

Anyway, I really, really ****ing hate the Twins.

Viva Medias B's
05-13-2006, 10:09 PM
The blown calls have left me in a very, very bad mood. I'm extremely ****ing pissed about this loss. :angry:

The blown calls are one thing and they sucked. However, we played like dogs after them.

DickAllen72
05-13-2006, 10:09 PM
The title of this thread should be: Official The Umps Can Kiss My Ass Post Game Thread. :angry:

WSox8404
05-13-2006, 10:10 PM
The title of this thread should be: Official The Umps Can Kiss My Ass Post Game Thread. :angry:

Official The Umps AND TWINS Can Kiss My Ass Post Game Thread

gobears1987
05-13-2006, 10:10 PM
Umpiring sucked, but the sox pitching didn't respond. Garland's off, Garcia's off, Contreras isn't playing.Garcia's off? ***? He has been dominant since the first couple of starts. And this is Vazquez's first bad start in a while. I agree that Garland is off, but then again he's overrated.

WSox8404
05-13-2006, 10:11 PM
Garcia's off? ***? He has been dominant since the first couple of starts.

Yeah really. Garland is definately off, but he has been since pitch one of the year. Buehrle is off more then Garcia is. Garcia has looked real good recently.

DickAllen72
05-13-2006, 10:12 PM
Official The Umps AND TWINS Can Kiss My Ass Post Game Thread

Yeah, that too.

Joosh
05-13-2006, 10:13 PM
Um, when the first baseman catches the ball with his foot on the bag before the runner gets there the runner is out. I am sure that is in the rulebook somewhere.

Watch the replay. Konerko's foot is off the bag when he makes the catch and the tag is late.

WSox8404
05-13-2006, 10:13 PM
Yeah, that too.


I'll even one up myself...........

Official The Umps AND TWINS and the Metrodome Can Kiss My Ass Post Game Thread

JB98
05-13-2006, 10:14 PM
Garcia's off? ***? He has been dominant since the first couple of starts. And this is Vazquez's first bad start in a while. I agree that Garland is off, but then again he's overrated.

Agreed on all counts. Freddy has won his last five decisions, and his last two outings have been nothing short of outstanding.

Vazquez, when he loses it, he loses it big time. This reminded me of the home loss to the Blue Jays last month. We went from having a 5-2 lead to losing 11-5 in a big hurry, IIRC. He's been great in five of his seven starts. It's interesting to note that his two bad ones have followed the same pattern.

whitesoxfan
05-13-2006, 10:14 PM
like you guys have mentioned, the Umps can kiss my ass.

oh well, 3 bad games in a row and we are still in 1st. Let's salvage a split with these morons.

Brian26
05-13-2006, 10:15 PM
Um, when the first baseman catches the ball with his foot on the bag before the runner gets there the runner is out. I am sure that is in the rulebook somewhere.

First of all, it was a questionable call at best. It appeared that PK's heel came off the bag. It could have gone either way...it was that close. Also, PK probably hurt his own cause by wheeling around and trying to tag the runner. That's almost an admittance to the umpire that he thought he came off the bag or was going to come off the bag.

RadioheadRocks
05-13-2006, 10:15 PM
Losses happen gotta get over it and forget about it. New game tommorow can't dwell on it too long.

My point exactly. Leave the dwelling and bitchin' and moanin' to the Los Angeles Redundancies of Anaheim who STILL can't let go of that dropped third strike in the ALCS.

WSox8404
05-13-2006, 10:15 PM
Is it just me or does everything about the Twins annoy you just about as much as the dumbass Cubs. Its getting fairly close.

WSox8404
05-13-2006, 10:16 PM
First of all, it was a questionable call at best. It appeared that PK's heel came off the bag. It could have gone either way...it was that close. Also, PK probably hurt his own cause by wheeling around and trying to tag the runner. That's almost an admittance to the umpire that he thought he came off the bag or was going to come off the bag.

Yeah I was thinking about that. Konerko should have not tried to tag him.

chisoxmike
05-13-2006, 10:16 PM
Is it just me or does everything about the Twins annoy you just about as much as the dumbass Cubs. Its getting fairly close.

Yes, becuase when the Twins beat the Sox, it effects us in the standings.

WSox8404
05-13-2006, 10:17 PM
Yes, becuase when the Twins beat the Sox, it effects us in the standings.

Well aside from that. Their fans, their stadium, Gardenhire. Just everything about them makes me want to hurl. Even if they lose a game they creep me out.

Optipessimism
05-13-2006, 10:18 PM
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And, most importantly...........

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Jurr
05-13-2006, 10:18 PM
Garcia's off? ***? He has been dominant since the first couple of starts. And this is Vazquez's first bad start in a while. I agree that Garland is off, but then again he's overrated.
I know that Freddy has been pitching better, and his 4.64 ERA is a byproduct of his first couple of outings...I was just going by his overall stats. He looked good against Anaheim. :redneck With his velocity drop, I just feel like I'm holding my breath every time he pitches.

However, we have more offense to negate bad starts than we did last year.
The pitching will come around, and if it doesn't, we'll just get some help!

infohawk
05-13-2006, 10:18 PM
Garcia's off? ***? He has been dominant since the first couple of starts. And this is Vazquez's first bad start in a while. I agree that Garland is off, but then again he's overrated.
Garland is a useful 4th or 5th starter type. I'm glad we have him, but I have never quite been sold on him becoming an "elite" pitcher. Still, lot's of teams would pine for a guy like that for the back of their rotation.

chisoxmike
05-13-2006, 10:19 PM
Well aside from that. Their fans, their stadium, Gardenhire. Just everything about them makes me want to hurl. Even if they lose a game they creep me out.

This is all very very true. Twins fans are just strange.

cbotnyse
05-13-2006, 10:19 PM
That game was just ugly, the umps didnt help but we just got beat tonight

had an early lead and got too comfortable and let it get away fast

we need to put this one behind us and move on!

infohawk
05-13-2006, 10:20 PM
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I think Liriano had something to do with that. The good news is we probably won't see him tommorow. Let's take the split and get out of that damned dome!

JB98
05-13-2006, 10:20 PM
I don't think Logan is headed back to Charlotte until Nelson is ready. The bullpen isn't really responsible for tonight's loss.

I'm pissed about the umpiring, and Vazquez fell apart.

DickAllen72
05-13-2006, 10:21 PM
My point exactly. Leave the dwelling and bitchin' and moanin' to the Los Angeles Redundancies of Anaheim who STILL can't let go of that dropped third strike in the ALCS.

That was a proper call on a close play. Today's call of HBP when the batter swung at the pitch was a wrong call and it wasn't even close.

The first base call may also have been wrong, but at least was close.

flo-B-flo
05-13-2006, 10:23 PM
Be patient, they'll roll themselves in. To them, three game losing streaks are cataclysmic. I read what you mean. Rolled ****in' right in. 30 how many games in? I like how this season is going. The Tigers are out of the gate fast. It's early.

Mr. White Sox
05-13-2006, 10:24 PM
Mea Culpa blew that one, and it wasn't even close. What a terrible call. If it hits his bat, it's foul. If it hits him, it's strike three. Whatever.

Radke is still a bum, Liriano will be amazing, and the Sox did what they could today. Buehrle/Silva seems like a mismatch, but you never know; the lamedome does things to the Sox. Go get 'em tomorrow.

RadioheadRocks
05-13-2006, 10:24 PM
That was a proper call on a close play. Today's call of HBP when the batter swung at the pitch was a wrong call and it wasn't even close.

The first base call may also have been wrong, but at least was close.


I actually didn't intend to compare the controversial umpiring calls... my point is that the Sox should just move on from this game and not let it affect them like that play affected the Angels (not to mention their nitwit fans and broadcasters who still can't let go of that play).

Optipessimism
05-13-2006, 10:25 PM
I think Liriano had something to do with that. The good news is we probably won't see him tommorow. Let's take the split and get out of that damned dome!

He did, but they still looked bad.

Besides, as long as Liriano is out of their rotation I'm happy. One Johan is already tough enough, two would just be a pain in the ***. Here's to hoping the Twinks never fall out of love with Kyle Lohse :gulp: .

Huisj
05-13-2006, 10:28 PM
I don't think Logan is headed back to Charlotte until Nelson is ready. The bullpen isn't really responsible for tonight's loss.

I'm pissed about the umpiring, and Vazquez fell apart.

I wonder if it'd be possible that when Contreras comes back from the DL, Logan will go down and Montero will stay up. Not that Montero is great, but do we really need a wild 21-year-old lefty in the pen right now?

JB98
05-13-2006, 10:29 PM
I wonder if it'd be possible that when Contreras comes back from the DL, Logan will go down and Montero will stay up. Not that Montero is great, but do we really need a wild 21-year-old lefty in the pen right now?

If you believe the Cubune, the Sox will stick with three left-handed relievers because the Cubs have numerous left-handed hitters. Take that FWIW.

DickAllen72
05-13-2006, 10:29 PM
I actually didn't intend to compare the controversial umpiring calls... my point is that the Sox should just move on from this game and not let it affect them like that play affected the Angels (not to mention their nitwit fans and broadcasters who still can't let go of that play).

Oh, I agree the Sox and Sox fans should let go of these bad calls and move on --- tomorrow. I don't think it's improper to call the umps out and vent about it tonight. Can't let these things go without registering your complaint first. Gotta keep the umps honest.

SoxSpeed22
05-13-2006, 10:30 PM
Could'a, should'a, would'a.

SOXSINCE'70
05-13-2006, 10:39 PM
Dark clouds are in the forecast.

You can't win every damn game.Let's hope Buehrle and Garcia
bring their A games and the Sox can salvage a split.

I HATE THE ****ING TWINS!!!!:angry: :angry:

soxjim
05-13-2006, 10:41 PM
The only dark clouds are over head from the rain. I had a sneaky feeling when I went out to eat this was going to happen. It's a long season tomorrow is a new day. Todays game is over we can't do a thing to bring it back.

flo-B-flo
05-13-2006, 10:41 PM
The season hasn't even started yet. Baseball always has its surprises. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO games. Along time. Same as last year. Same as almost every year.

Lip Man 1
05-13-2006, 10:43 PM
Just a few thoughts.

1. Until I read Mark Gonzales' story this morning I didn't know that the Twins switched their rotation specifically so that Santana would open the series and that whipping boy Kyle Loshe wouldn't get his turn against the Sox. That should tell you something about how Minnesota is taking this.

2. I understand some calls sucked but you know what...I'm bothered most by the fact the Sox had a 4-0 lead and pissed it away. Bad calls or not there were TWO OUTS in the inning and Javier still had a 4-1 lead. What was the 'excuse' for giving up the hits to Mauer and Hunter? THAT was the killer right there. Get Mauer out and you still have a decent lead heading into the 6th inning. I think the Sox lost their cool....they were probably justified, but you say 'screw it' and play and get the third out before the inning explodes on you. These are the World Champions not the Triple A Royals...you play through it and win the friggin' game.

3. I don't like the way this road trip is going and the Tigers won again. They've picked up three games since Monday.

Go get them tomorrow.

Lip

DickAllen72
05-13-2006, 10:47 PM
What was the 'excuse' for giving up the hits to Mauer and Hunter? THAT was the killer right there.

Torii Hunter is clutch. If he's not robbing home runs with his glove he's coming up with big hits in crucial situations. (Or knocking catchers on their asses.)

He may be overpaid, but he's a damn good ballplayer.

SOXBOY
05-13-2006, 10:49 PM
We still have the best record and Minni is playing good ball.Mark is due for a lights out game and Freddie is going in a day game(even if it's in a dome).

rpac44
05-13-2006, 10:50 PM
orestes destrade just said on baseball tonight that the 1st base ump was 0 for 2 in the fateful inning...on the positive side, its kinda easy to look back and expect perfection after last year but look back farther than that and you realize its pretty nice to lose 3 in a row and still have the best record in baseball, i like the pitching matchups tomorrow and monday and am looking forward to a split

DickAllen72
05-13-2006, 10:52 PM
orestes destrade just said on baseball tonight that the 1st base ump was 0 for 2 in the fateful inning...on the positive side, its kinda easy to look back and expect perfection after last year but look back farther than that and you realize its pretty nice to lose 3 in a row and still have the best record in baseball, i like the pitching matchups tomorrow and monday and am looking forward to a split

Me too. :wink:

skutir
05-13-2006, 10:53 PM
Whatever you say about the Cuddyer thing, Konerko was clearly off the bag in the first so-called "questionable call," even as Hawk showed the replay and said "you can see he's on the bag," I could see he was OFF the bag.

Since the ball that hit Cuddyer rolled to the backstop, he could have taken first anyway.

rpac44
05-13-2006, 10:55 PM
Whatever you say about the Cuddyer thing, Konerko was clearly off the bag in the first so-called "questionable call," even as Hawk showed the replay and said "you can see he's on the bag," I could see he was OFF the bag.

Since the ball that hit Cuddyer rolled to the backstop, he could have taken first anyway.i believe a swinging strike 3 on a pitch that hits the batter is a dead ball so he could not have taken first, nor can anyone else advance

DickAllen72
05-13-2006, 10:55 PM
Whatever you say about the Cuddyer thing, Konerko was clearly off the bag in the first so-called "questionable call," even as Hawk showed the replay and said "you can see he's on the bag," I could see he was OFF the bag.

Since the ball that hit Cuddyer rolled to the backstop, he could have taken first anyway.

No.

skutir
05-13-2006, 10:58 PM
i believe a swinging strike 3 on a pitch that hits the batter is a dead ball so he could not have taken first, nor can anyone else advance

You're right... just checked the rules. Well, too bad for the Sox. :whiner:

goon
05-13-2006, 11:05 PM
just saw the replay on espnnews. we got hosed, though according to some of the posts it seems as though the white sox layed down after the call... whatever. let's win tomorrow and not get swept by those losers.

Shorty1983
05-13-2006, 11:12 PM
I need a :gulp: .

balke
05-13-2006, 11:25 PM
Our bullpen sucks. Don't know if the arms are cold or what, but with all these straight fastball throwers, the relievers need a mix-up. Wish El Duque was available.

Bill Naharodny
05-14-2006, 12:10 AM
Here's what I want: umpires to make the right calls, and our pitchers to challenge people with runners on base. Jenks against the Angels, Garland last night, Vasquez tonight . . . Goodness gracious, gentlemen, come inside and make pitches.

By the way, Vasquez had problems with location earlier than the 5th. He was up in the zone for a couple of innings before that; I thought he was lucky to hold them scoreless before that.

That is all.

And Doug Scott blows.

ChicagoHoosier
05-14-2006, 12:26 AM
I only saw the 7-9th innings, but I guess I'd say I want our team to win games DESPITE questionable calls by the umps. Hope we can learn something from it, split the series, and start another streak. REALLY need MB to bounce back and be the stopper we know he is.

Corlose 15
05-14-2006, 12:26 AM
Our bullpen sucks. Don't know if the arms are cold or what, but with all these straight fastball throwers, the relievers need a mix-up. Wish El Duque was available.

El Duque's era is over 7 and the Diamondbacks just pushed one of his starts back.

chisoxfanatic
05-14-2006, 12:34 AM
just saw the replay on espnnews. we got hosed, though according to some of the posts it seems as though the white sox layed down after the call... whatever. let's win tomorrow and not get swept by those losers.

This is a four-game series; but, anyways, we'll get back in the W column tomorrow night. Buehrle's not gonna lose to Silva.

And, yes, the 5th inning was brutally called; however, can't complain about the goings on this season as a whole. We Sox fans have to hold on to these moments of greatness. They don't come very often!

MUsoxfan
05-14-2006, 12:45 AM
whatever. let's win tomorrow and not get swept by those losers.


They won't lose tomorrow. I'm flying up there for the next two games, and the luck of MUsoxfan will be on their side:wink:

goon
05-14-2006, 12:48 AM
This is a four-game series


whoops... i knew that.

JUribe1989
05-14-2006, 12:57 AM
30 runs in 3 games shouldn't happen to this pitching staff. Buehrle will come out and be the stopper tomorrow.

QCIASOXFAN
05-14-2006, 01:29 AM
Baseball can be a crazy game sometimes and this game proved it alright. I am really looking forward to a strong showing on Sunday Night Baseball tomorrow night.

Vernam
05-14-2006, 01:50 AM
I'd be real surprised if Ozzie doesn't get fined for the post-game rant. But even when he goes off on umps, the guy's timing is impeccable -- if ever a pair of umps deserved to get reamed, it was those two *******s tonight. Completely inexcusable that neither of them got the Cuddyer call right. The homeplate ump shouldn't have even needed help.

I respect how Vazquez made no excuses after the game, according to the MLB.com report. The guy is golden, and all will be well with our top four starters. Mark goes out tomorrow and proves it.

Vernam

jdm2662
05-14-2006, 01:51 AM
Bad calls are going to happen. Good teams play through them. The Sox seemed to lay an egg when the "HBP" happened. And, I was sitting at a bar, the TV was about 40 feet away, and I could see that Konerko was off the bag when he caught it. It was the correct call. The loss is the on the Sox for pissing the lead away when they had the game under control. It happens. Good teams respond from this, and the Sox will.

Another thing, why the hell isn't Lirianoin the Twins rotation? I saw enough of him last season against the Sox to say he's going to be a stud.

AntiSox
05-14-2006, 01:52 AM
Certainlly the crew chief Dale Scott should have at least listened to Guillen's appeal and probably overruled the less experienced Ron Kulpa during the Michael Cuddyer at-bat in the 5th. Guillen stated that he is unsure as to what the managers are allowed to contest and this is something that the commission should address. That said the game would probably have been lost anyway as Vazquez was weakening.

fquaye149
05-14-2006, 02:04 AM
Just a few thoughts.

1. Until I read Mark Gonzales' story this morning I didn't know that the Twins switched their rotation specifically so that Santana would open the series and that whipping boy Kyle Loshe wouldn't get his turn against the Sox. That should tell you something about how Minnesota is taking this.

2. I understand some calls sucked but you know what...I'm bothered most by the fact the Sox had a 4-0 lead and pissed it away. Bad calls or not there were TWO OUTS in the inning and Javier still had a 4-1 lead. What was the 'excuse' for giving up the hits to Mauer and Hunter? THAT was the killer right there. Get Mauer out and you still have a decent lead heading into the 6th inning. I think the Sox lost their cool....they were probably justified, but you say 'screw it' and play and get the third out before the inning explodes on you. These are the World Champions not the Triple A Royals...you play through it and win the friggin' game.

3. I don't like the way this road trip is going and the Tigers won again. They've picked up three games since Monday.

Go get them tomorrow.

Lip

Lip--few people are EXCUSING vazquez. I've always said that good teams play above the officiating. But that doesn't mean that horrible horrible HBP call didn't play a big part in the inning. Say what you will, but at the very least you can trace it to two runs. Maybe Vazquez pitches over it, maybe he doesn't. A great pitcher would have. Vazquez didn't. But the bottom line is if that ump hadn't fallen asleep we would have left that inning leading 4-3. That's the bottom line.

That doesn't mean the ump lost the game for us (he didn't)...but he's still culpable for one of the lousiest calls i've seen in my 15 years of watching baseball (though I'm sure you've seen a lot worse in your myriad years :redneck)

Nellie_Fox
05-14-2006, 03:02 AM
I was sitting at a bar, the TV was about 40 feet away, and I could see that Konerko was off the bag when he caught it. It was the correct call. You're in a bar, looking at a TV that is 40 feet away, and you think you can make the call.

Well, I wasn't drinking, and I was only about 6 feet away from my TV, and it looked like his foot was still on the bag. It was the wrong call. Konerko tried to make double sure just in case, and missed the tag, and the ump bought the tag attempt.

Bobbo35
05-14-2006, 03:19 AM
as wacky as it is to always be calling people dark clouds, i think that almost all sox fans will agree that the team played fine. the umps ****ed us. if that had been a strikeout we would have gotten another inning out of vazquez, etc.

let's not pre-emptively call everyone a dark cloud.

I totally agree. The Sox played well and Vasquez pitched well, the ump made a couple of bad calls that lead to runs. We will get them tommorow. Dark clouds stay away.

SluggersAway
05-14-2006, 03:32 AM
Instant replay doesn't sound like a bad idea. Do you want the right call at the moment or do you want it to hopefully all even out in the end?

Nellie_Fox
05-14-2006, 03:33 AM
I wish the term "dark clouds" had never been invented.

Let me try to define the term as I understand it. A dark cloud is someone who thinks every loss is the beginning of a total meltdown. A dark cloud finds the harbinger of doom in every win.

Simply talking about what went wrong in a loss doesn't make you a "dark cloud."

Correct me if I'm wrong. If all we can do is celebrate wins and say "we'll get them tomorrow" after losses, this place will get awfully boring.

BarbG
05-14-2006, 04:57 AM
I just read at least a portion of Ozzie's postgame comments and I agree with every word he said. Bad umpiring is taking the fun out of the game. This was the worst umpiring since the infamous A's game last year. It sure looked like Konerko was touching the bag on the first play but it was close, I'll give them that. But for not one but two major league umpires to fail to recognize a swing? How basic does it have to get? I don't recall ever seeing such consistantly bad umpiring until the past few years and it sure appears to be getting worse.

Ejecting Cooper, who was sitting in the dugout, just for saying "That's a strike?" What was the point of that? That stunned me. Ugh.

That said, I was really hoping that the "incident" would light a fire in our boys but instead it totally blew theirs out. Only AJ and Crede didn't look like they had had all the wind knocked out of them after that, and THAT is what they can't afford to do and probably cost them the game. It's becoming increasing obvious that not only are the opposing teams really out to get us; competent, fair and reasonable officiating is becoming scarce and that's not going to change anytime soon. They're going to have to learn to rise above it.

Grzegorz
05-14-2006, 06:07 AM
Let's get them tomorrow. That's the great thing about a team like this is there are so many stoppers. If Jon or Javier can't get it done, there's big Mark B. right around the corner. The same thing cannot be said for the North side.
The White Sox have to turn it around tomorrow and Buerhle needs to be the catalyst.

We need a stopper; until the pitching can be straightened out, Buerhle & McCarthy need to step up.

I'd love to see McCarthy have a strong outing not only because I am a White Sox fan but because I'd love to see how Williams, Cooper, & Guillen react from what I am hoping is a strong outing from Mac.

Your feelings about the North side seem tinged with schadenfreude; may I make two points? (I'll do it anyway)
* Who gives a damn about the North Side? Treat them as if they do not exist.
* The White Sox have their own pitching issues; so I prefer to focus on the World Series Champions.

PaleHoseGeorge
05-14-2006, 09:42 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong. If all we can do is celebrate wins and say "we'll get them tomorrow" after losses, this place will get awfully boring.

Oh you noticed this, too?

:cool:

balke
05-14-2006, 10:26 AM
El Duque's era is over 7 and the Diamondbacks just pushed one of his starts back.

Good, maybe he'll come cheap then. I don't want him to start, I want him in our bullpen.

viagracat
05-14-2006, 11:06 AM
Certainlly the crew chief Dale Scott should have at least listened to Guillen's appeal and probably overruled the less experienced Ron Kulpa during the Michael Cuddyer at-bat in the 5th. Guillen stated that he is unsure as to what the managers are allowed to contest and this is something that the commission should address. That said the game would probably have been lost anyway as Vazquez was weakening.

"AntiSox?" :o:
What, "CubsRule" was already taken? :angry:

Jacob Nelson Fox
05-14-2006, 11:27 AM
My point exactly. Leave the dwelling and bitchin' and moanin' to the Los Angeles Redundancies of Anaheim who STILL can't let go of that dropped third strike in the ALCS.


That is the first thing I thought of while watching the game. Ozzie was right to challenge the call, but after the call stands, champions suck it up and play through it. The Sox just didn't get the job done. :(:

I'll also give you my 2 cents on instant replay review (in any sport): It stinks. The players aren't perfect, the coaches aren't perfect, so why should we expect the officials to be perfect? :angry:

Dan H
05-14-2006, 12:07 PM
30 runs given up in 3 games... Umps or not.. THAT SUCKS

I don't see how anyone cannot agree this. 30 runs in 3 games is awful and there is no other way to look at it. I didn't see this game so I don't know how wrong the umps were. But in the last post season, the Sox got almost every call. So I don't want to blame umps for any loss.

There is no reason to panic, but the Detroit is not going away. The Central Division is not going to be easy this year not that last September was easy.

balke
05-14-2006, 12:43 PM
There is no reason to panic, but the Detroit is not going away. The Central Division is not going to be easy this year not that last September was easy.
As much of a right as I think you have to say that Detroit isn't going anywhere, I don't think they are going above the Sox for any long period of time. Sox will be fine, this is a 3-game skid, and in the end it really doesn't matter if we got outscored 40-3, its uncharacteristic of this team.

I think the Sox could use someone who throws some good offspeed stuff or fastballs with a little movement in the pen so the pen is more reliable, but by no means do I think this isn't the best team in baseball.

Detroit was just called the 2nd best team in baseball on baseball tonight. I don't agree with that either. Boston is way better than Detroit. Detroit is a top 5 team though, so Sox gotta stay sharp to make some distance and hope they don't sneak up on us.

fquaye149
05-14-2006, 02:34 PM
I don't see how anyone cannot agree this. 30 runs in 3 games is awful and there is no other way to look at it. I didn't see this game so I don't know how wrong the umps were. But in the last post season, the Sox got almost every call. So I don't want to blame umps for any loss.

There is no reason to panic, but the Detroit is not going away. The Central Division is not going to be easy this year not that last September was easy.

Of COURSE 30 runs in three games is bad. But look at the actual situations.

We had a knuckleballing rookie get blasted by a good hitting team

We had Garland have a ****ty game

We had Vazquez cruising until he got rattled by bad calls.

Of these three games, I think only ONE (Garland's continuing struggles) is a serious cause for concern.

So I'll ask once again: what's the point?

hawkjt
05-14-2006, 02:37 PM
There are two umpiring crews that worry me. When I see Iassonga and Culpa, and then of course the froemming,wendelstat crew.

We always have issues with those four umps.

The twins are hot right now and are back to just slapping ground balls thru that still fast turf.

Not having Stewart and Castillo really made them toothless when they were at Soxpark early in the season.

Castillo is a very good pickup for them -his slappy style of hitting is perfect for the dome.

I will say I am worried about Burls tonite cuz their contact hitter style is tough for him.

Lip Man 1
05-14-2006, 02:41 PM
Fquaye:

Last October Sox fans were reaming the Angels for 'complaining' about bad calls. The point was made that the calls would have been menaingless had L.A. simply got the next hitter out.

The same reasoning applies to last night.

If Javier gets Mauer out he leads 4-1.
If Javier gets Hunter out he leads 4-2.
If Javier gets Morneau out he leads 4-3.

I'm not excusing the calls I'm simply saying Javier had plenty of chances to get out of the inning with the lead despite them. He didn't and the Sox lost their cool last night and lost the game.

The triple A Royals do that, not the White Sox.

They seem to be getting very few breaks rotation wise on this trip as well. Minnesota juggles thing to start Santana (big surprise) Kazmir 5-2 with an ERA under three goes Tuesday night. They have a bullseye on their backs and they better get used to it.

Lip