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gbergman
05-12-2006, 11:24 PM
since no one made it
ugly game tonight boys, but as much as they pitching stunk no offense tonight. 13ks ugly

lets take the next two boys

viagracat
05-12-2006, 11:27 PM
Santana was really on tonight. When you have command of all your pitches and locate the ball as well as he did, you're going to win a lot of games. The pitch he used to ring up Konerko in the 4th was as good as it gets.

I prefer to give Santana his props as opposed to going on with what the Sox didn't do tonight. He pitched damn near perfect. We'll get 'em tomorrow.

CubKilla
05-12-2006, 11:28 PM
lets take the next two boys

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A.T. Money
05-12-2006, 11:28 PM
Yep not much to say. Garland is the weakest link just like Contreras was last year this time.

Here's to a hopeful turnaround.

As for the offense, well.....Santana has our number.

TheKittle
05-12-2006, 11:29 PM
A great pitcher like Santana was going to turn things around sooner or later and the past few games he's been the Santana of old. But he didn't really have a spring training so it took him awhile to get back to form.

ShoelessJoeS
05-12-2006, 11:29 PM
Just got home from work...how was Montero looking?

oeo
05-12-2006, 11:42 PM
Just got home from work...how was Montero looking?

Like he was pitching batting practice.

JB98
05-12-2006, 11:42 PM
Shortest postgame thread ever!!!

Edward
05-12-2006, 11:42 PM
Just got home from work...how was Montero looking?

Faced 6 batters, threw 17 pitches 11 of which were strikes. Got in a little trouble early then he seemed to settle down.

Bottom 6th: Minnesota
- T. Batista homered to deep left - J. Castro lined out to center - S. Stewart walked - A. Montero relieved J. Garland - L. Castillo flied out to center - J. Mauer homered to deep center, S. Stewart scored - T. Hunter lined out to deep center
3 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors Chi White Sox 0, Minnesota 8

Bottom 7th: Minnesota - R. Gload at first - R. Mackowiak in right field - M. Cuddyer grounded out to third - J. Morneau struck out swinging - R. White flied out to left
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors Chi White Sox 1, Minnesota 8

Boone came in for the 8th, got beat up a little, gave up the last 2

oeo
05-12-2006, 11:43 PM
Faced 6 batters, threw 17 pitches 11 of which were strikes. Got in a little trouble early then he seemed to settle down.
I don't think he settled down at all, they were still hitting the ball hard...a couple of "just missed" homeruns. He was getting CRUSHED.

Edward
05-12-2006, 11:47 PM
I don't think he settled down at all, they were still hitting the ball hard...a couple of "just missed" homeruns. He was getting CRUSHED.

Yeah true, just looked like he gained more control, the Twins were still hitting the hell out of the ball. You can either say he was getting rocked, or the twinkies were just on the ball tonight. All the SOX pitchers were getting spanked tonight.

MrRoboto83
05-13-2006, 12:12 AM
Crappy weather + Sox loss = overly depressing night

milrtyme28
05-13-2006, 12:26 AM
This one was a bummer. I hope JG can get it together soon - I dont want that $27 million going to his head.

QCIASOXFAN
05-13-2006, 12:53 AM
Santana was dealing as usual! Like D.J. preaches, get on him early or you have no chance once he gets in a grove.

chidonez
05-13-2006, 01:35 AM
At least I'm not depressed. The old man, Hawk, likes to do his thing about losing 60 games, etc. And I'm inclined to agree. We're going to lose some, and I'd rather do it to Santana than some schmuck in KC. We'll bounce back tomorrow. That's baseball... And for the Garland haters out there, where were you last year when Contreras was struggling? Garland is young, he has post-season experience, and he's coming off an 18 win season...we owe the guy a little time to get over a very predictable MLB slump. Again, that's baseball...

FedEx227
05-13-2006, 01:45 AM
Agreed... I remember most of us (not me thankfully) were asking for KW to trade Contreras for Burnett. Garland will be okay, 18-win season good? Probably not, but hes not going to give up 7 every single time out. Hes still one of the better ground-ball pitchers in the major leagues with youth on his side. A little work on pounding the ball inside a bit more, jamming guys and I think he'll be fine.

With that being said Johan Santana is god... I can't believe the Twins let him rot in the bullpen for like 4 years.

oeo
05-13-2006, 02:07 AM
This is probably the loss I'm least upset about. We got beat, and I can take those. I can take a blowout and getting dominated by a good pitcher, it's the games that we beat ourselves that makes me angry. Just one of those games, they'll come out tomorrow with their A-game.

RadioheadRocks
05-13-2006, 02:09 AM
This is probably the loss I'm least upset about. We got beat, and I can take those. I can take a blowout and getting dominated by a good pitcher, it's the games that we beat ourselves that makes me angry. Just one of those games, they'll come out tomorrow with their A-game.

I concur! Go get 'em tomorrow.

Nellie_Fox
05-13-2006, 02:15 AM
Santana was dealing as usual! Like D.J. preaches, get on him early or you have no chance once he gets in a grove.

http://www.museonaranja.com/imagenes/logos5/hort.jpg

Where's Johan?

SoxSpeed22
05-13-2006, 02:25 AM
That sucked on all cylinders.:mad:

elrod
05-13-2006, 02:30 AM
I'd rather lose 10-1 to Santana and get beat on all facets of the game than lose 1-0 while throwing a one-hitter. I'm still bitter over that Garcia-Santana game last year.

Edward
05-13-2006, 02:38 AM
I'd rather lose 10-1 to Santana and get beat on all facets of the game than lose 1-0 while throwing a one-hitter. I'm still bitter over that Garcia-Santana game last year.

Was I hearing things or did DJ mutter "That game sucked" when Hawk was talking about it?

chidonez
05-13-2006, 02:46 AM
Here's one of those profound moments that happens. Major League was on Comedy Central tonight, and now I know where Hawk got the 60 game thing. The Tribe as at 60 wins and 61 losses when they started to win in the movie. Now that's math for ya...

Nellie_Fox
05-13-2006, 03:09 AM
Here's one of those profound moments that happens. Major League was on Comedy Central tonight, and now I know where Hawk got the 60 game thing. The Tribe was at 60 wins and 61 losses when they started to win in the movie. Now that's math for ya...That saying predates Major League. I've heard it since I was a kid, and the movies had just gone "talkie" then.:tongue:

MUsoxfan
05-13-2006, 03:42 AM
Was I hearing things or did DJ mutter "That game sucked" when Hawk was talking about it?

DJ has said that's one of the games he's been most pissed about in his tenure with the Sox. He won't let it go.

kitekrazy
05-13-2006, 03:48 AM
And for the Garland haters out there, where were you last year when Contreras was struggling? Garland is young, he has post-season experience, and he's coming off an 18 win season...we owe the guy a little time to get over a very predictable MLB slump. Again, that's baseball...

I think we are seeing the real John Garland. Last year may have been a fluke. Don Cooper haasn't been able to perform any magic with him.

Deebs14
05-13-2006, 04:24 AM
I think we are seeing the real John Garland. Last year may have been a fluke. Don Cooper haasn't been able to perform any magic with him.

Yeah, he's done..stick a fork in 'em. :rolleyes:

DSpivack
05-13-2006, 04:27 AM
Yeah, he's done..stick a fork in 'em. :rolleyes:

We misunderstood, he meant John Garland, not Jon Garland:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06385b.htm
http://www.johngarland.com.au/
http://people.clarkson.edu/~samoy/morepic2_1.htm

(gotta love Google)

pmck003
05-13-2006, 05:40 AM
I hope Garland isn't complacent with what he has done; he proved himself mentally capable last year (for the little I think anyway).

Grzegorz
05-13-2006, 05:56 AM
I hope Garland isn't complacent with what he has done; he proved himself mentally capable last year (for the little I think anyway).

I am disappointed with his results but I am not ready to give up on him. This Twins team is weak; there is no reason why a split is the worst case.

Go get them the rest of the series and put the hammer to them every time.

wassagstdu
05-13-2006, 08:51 AM
Garland is a different pitcher with a lead. Last year first half they were giving him an early lead practically every time out.

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Dan H
05-13-2006, 10:07 AM
At least I'm not depressed. The old man, Hawk, likes to do his thing about losing 60 games, etc. And I'm inclined to agree. We're going to lose some, and I'd rather do it to Santana than some schmuck in KC. We'll bounce back tomorrow. That's baseball... And for the Garland haters out there, where were you last year when Contreras was struggling? Garland is young, he has post-season experience, and he's coming off an 18 win season...we owe the guy a little time to get over a very predictable MLB slump. Again, that's baseball...

I don't hate Garland, but he still has something to prove. Yes, he won 18 last year, but was not great during most of the second half. He had a great game in the playoffs against the Angels but only a so-so start against the Astros in the Series. They teed off against him, and the Twins are not a heavy hitting team. Garland can turn it around, but I hope it's soon. This loss was just plain brutal. He looked like something out of the Cub rotation.

1917
05-13-2006, 10:34 AM
You know when you turn the game off and let your kid watch the Chicken Little for the 3rd time in one day, that it was a lost cause....As soon as Santana K'd 6 of the first 9 batters, and they got a 2 run lead, I knew we were screwed...when they went up 5-0, it was Chicken Little time....thats OK, I chalked the Santana game up as an L in my mind...we got to him 2 weeks ago, hard to get to him 2 starts in a row for any club...lets get'em tonight, I don't want to have to watch The Incrediables (Hey it's 40 degrees and rainey, kids got nothing to do!)

Lip Man 1
05-13-2006, 12:47 PM
Montero is not the answer folks. There's a reason he's kicked around what eight years in the minor leagues. Practically every ball was scalded by the Twins off him. He was lucky in the sense that most were either right at guys or guys made great catches to bail him out. He stunk in the spring and he's going to stink here.

But let's not waste much bandwidth on this right handed version of Kevin Walker.

He's gone next week anyway.

Oh by the way. Jeff Nelson threw two scoreless innings last night striking out two. (Don't know who was umpiring though...the regulars or fill in's).

And most importantly Jose reported no pain threw 50 pitches and ther Sox feel sure he'll be ready to go on the 20th.

It's all good! :D:

Lip

hawkjt
05-13-2006, 02:08 PM
Twins have won 5 of 6 right now and so they are hitting better. But with Garland clearly our worst pitcher right now I am glad he went last nite against a guy we would not have beaten with our best on the mound. Now the rest of the matchups should be good for the sox.

As long as Garland is healthy, he will come around.

Just hope hitting against santana does not throw our hitters into a funk for a week.

Go get'em today, Javy.

bigsqwert
05-13-2006, 04:12 PM
Garland is a different pitcher with a lead. Last year first half they were giving him an early lead practically every time out.

.He looked great earlier this year with a big lead in KC.

Chips
05-13-2006, 04:20 PM
quote=bigsqwert]He looked great earlier this year with a big lead in KC.[/quote]

He didn't look so hot in that Detroit game when he gave up 7 runs and 13 hits in 5 innings and still got the W.

tstrike2000
05-13-2006, 04:26 PM
It seems like Garland is just not having any confidence in his pitches. He's not pitching inside like last year and has not shown that sinker hardly at all that tails in to right handed hitters and away from lefties. Once he gets the confidence back in that pitch, he'll be the Garland we had last year. Also with confidence he'll stop leaving his fastball belt high, out over the heart of the plate like he did last night.

SoxFan64
05-13-2006, 04:51 PM
Montero is not the answer folks... He's gone next week anyway.

Oh by the way. Jeff Nelson threw two scoreless innings last night striking out two. (Don't know who was umpiring though...the regulars or fill in's).

Lip
Lip,

I agree on Montero. He's not the answer. As for Nelson, here is what Gonzales said about Nelson (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060512soxgamer,1,986802.story?coll=cs-home-headlines)(look at the end of the story) Don't expect Nelson for two weeks.

SoxFan64

Lip Man 1
05-13-2006, 10:50 PM
I saw that it's not an issue.

Lip