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Ol' No. 2
05-12-2006, 04:39 PM
Inklae (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060512&content_id=1450238&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws)

palehozenychicty
05-12-2006, 04:43 PM
Inklae (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060512&content_id=1450238&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws)

Does anyone have knowledge of his makeup? btw, no. 2, how do you post a link with just one word? Feel free to PM me the steps.

crazyozzie02
05-12-2006, 04:54 PM
Im asking myself why not Redding or Nelson, but Im asumming that Nelson isnt ready yet and well I havent seen Reddings stats yet. Anyone that can help with that would be appreicated. (im just to lazy)

CHISOXFAN13
05-12-2006, 04:55 PM
Im asking myself why not Redding or Nelson, but Im asumming that Nelson isnt ready yet and well I havent seen Reddings stats yet. Anyone that can help with that would be appreicated. (im just to lazy)

Redding's ERA is in the mid 4's and he's a starter. This makes perfect sense.

crazyozzie02
05-12-2006, 05:04 PM
Redding's ERA is in the mid 4's and he's a starter. This makes perfect sense.

Thanks. I wanst sure what they were doing with Redding.

Corlose 15
05-12-2006, 05:20 PM
This guy's ERA is under 1.00 at Charlotte. He's most likely contributing to Charlotte kicking ass so far this year. As of today they're 25-8 and six games ahead of Durham in the division.

Lip Man 1
05-12-2006, 05:38 PM
Keep this in mind folks.

White Sox.com had a story yesterday on Montero's possible call up and Don Cooper himself gave this warning. Apparently the umpires in the league Charlotte is in are on strike. Cooper said they are using high school umpires.

There is an astonishing difference in the numbers posted by Haegar, Montero and Lopez from Tuscon to Charlotte and that may be part of the reason why.

Not saying it's the entire reason but when Cooper notes this it certainly says something.

Nelson will be up in a few weeks if he has any success at Charlotte. I'm figuring he'll be up when Contreras gets reactivated.

Lip

A. Cavatica
05-12-2006, 05:48 PM
Keep this in mind folks.

White Sox.com had a story yesterday on Montero's possible call up and Don Cooper himself gave this warning. Apparently the umpires in the league Charlotte is in are on strike. Cooper said they are using high school umpires.

There is an astonishing difference in the numbers posted by Haegar, Montero and Lopez from Tuscon to Charlotte and that may be part of the reason why.

Not saying it's the entire reason but when Cooper notes this it certainly says something.

Nelson will be up in a few weeks if he has any success at Charlotte. I'm figuring he'll be up when Contreras gets reactivated.

Lip

He may not be experienced, but Agustin Montero Sr. is a great umpire. I don't know why you'd cast aspersions.

SoxFan64
05-12-2006, 05:52 PM
Apparently the umpires in the league Charlotte is in are on strike. Cooper said they are using high school umpires.
The minor league umpires WERE on strike. Here is a link from the minor league web site. (I don't know how to turn this link into something easier to post -- so sorry)

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060428&content_id=63156&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp

Sox Fan64

Lip Man 1
05-12-2006, 05:58 PM
Sox Fan 64:

Very good. But I'm only repeating what Cooper said in the story yesterday and note Scott Merkin's words imply they are STILL on strike:


"It's especially true with the regular Minor League umpires still away from their jobs."

"I've always thought that if you walked three guys over nine innings at the Triple-A or Double-A level, then it's good for at least four or five walks in the big leagues," said White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper after Haeger's six-walk effort over 4 1/3 innings on Wednesday. "You just aren't dealing with Major League umpires, and they find out the strike zone is different.

"With the high school umpires they are using, the strike zone is even more liberal. It's definitely something to look at."

Lip

SoxFan64
05-12-2006, 06:07 PM
Lip,

Yes, I saw the article that implied that the minor leagues were still using HS umpires. And that's the point of the reply -- to correct that small point.

And yes, I thought Cooper's comments about how to discount the # of walks from the minors to the majors. Makes sense to me.

Working as a b-ball ref, I know the same skills apply to hoops. As the play gets better from the players, the skills of the refs advance too. Therefore one needs to be more precise as you move up the ladder. Whether it is as a player, an umpire, or heck maybe even at work. <g>

SoxFan64

dlee120
05-12-2006, 06:16 PM
Keep this in mind folks.

White Sox.com had a story yesterday on Montero's possible call up and Don Cooper himself gave this warning. Apparently the umpires in the league Charlotte is in are on strike. Cooper said they are using high school umpires.

There is an astonishing difference in the numbers posted by Haegar, Montero and Lopez from Tuscon to Charlotte and that may be part of the reason why.

Not saying it's the entire reason but when Cooper notes this it certainly says something.

Nelson will be up in a few weeks if he has any success at Charlotte. I'm figuring he'll be up when Contreras gets reactivated.

Lip

I'm a high school umpire, so what wrong with using a guy like me? I'm certain that those high school umpires will have a much more liberal zone. After officiating high school games, you get conditioned to give the black + a few inches. If not, you could be there for a while in some cases. Once you develop your zone and have been using if for several seasons (I assume they are using the more experienced HS umpires) it's not easy to change. I think Coop has a legitimate point, as much as I hate to admit it. HS umpires just arent on the same level as MiLB are (as MiLB umpires arent on the same level as MLB are, as we saw in Seattle a few weeks ago).

On a separate note, it's very disappointing to see all the HS umpires crossing the line. The MiLB guys have been getting screwed, hopefully a deal will be reached soon.

SoxFan64
05-12-2006, 06:19 PM
Now on to selecting Montero that also seems to make sense.

I think you need a veteran. So Tracey is out.

Nelson is not ready. If this had happened three weeks later then that would have been the obvious choice -- provided he was not being lit up.

Jeff (not Kyle) Farnsworth looks like he is a short specialist just by looking at his stats. G: 16 and IP: 18.1. So looks like he goes about an inning per outing.

Javier Lopez is also a 1- inning guy stat wise. G: 14 and IP: 16.2.

Montero is a two inning guy and a 28 year old.. G: 13 and IP: 24.2. He comes with a nifty ERA of 0.73 and WHIP (Walks Hits Per Inning Pitched) of 0.77. The last stat gives him the lowest WHIP on Charlotte.

Now factor in Cooper's comment of the smaller ML strike zone and being a rookie means expect a WHIP around 1.50 or somewhere between what we are getting from Jenks and Politte.

SoxFan64

SoxFan64
05-12-2006, 06:23 PM
I'm a high school umpire, so what wrong with using a guy like me?

Absolutely nothing. You are a Sox Fan after all!! :cool:

1951Campbell
05-12-2006, 06:32 PM
Does anyone have knowledge of his makeup?

Yes.

Most guys don't use it.

:D:

maurice
05-12-2006, 06:36 PM
Nelson was just activated in Charlotte. He's not ready.

Lopez has been doing great, but I'm sure Ozzie doesn't want a pen composed of 2 righties and 4 lefties.

TheKittle
05-12-2006, 06:39 PM
Does anyone have knowledge of his makeup? btw, no. 2, how do you post a link with just one word? Feel free to PM me the steps.

It's pretty easy.


http://www.echoecho.com/htmllinks10.htm

SoxFan64
05-12-2006, 06:52 PM
Yes. Most guys don't use it. :D:

:kneeslap:

Jjav829
05-12-2006, 06:55 PM
Does anyone have knowledge of his makeup? btw, no. 2, how do you post a link with just one word? Feel free to PM me the steps.

Type the word you want for the link. Highlight it. Click on the "Insert link" button (looks like a little globe) and enter the url. Click OK and submit.

Minnie Me
05-12-2006, 07:03 PM
Keep this in mind folks.

White Sox.com had a story yesterday on Montero's possible call up and Don Cooper himself gave this warning. Apparently the umpires in the league Charlotte is in are on strike. Cooper said they are using high school umpires.

There is an astonishing difference in the numbers posted by Haegar, Montero and Lopez from Tuscon to Charlotte and that may be part of the reason why.

Not saying it's the entire reason but when Cooper notes this it certainly says something.

Nelson will be up in a few weeks if he has any success at Charlotte. I'm figuring he'll be up when Contreras gets reactivated.

Lip

Perfect for when some unsuspecting GM walks on the Streets of Kenny

Maf
05-12-2006, 08:11 PM
Not to spoil the mood but.....is this the samre Agustin Montero that was suspended last year for violating the drug policy?

ChiSoxLifer
05-12-2006, 08:57 PM
Not to spoil the mood but.....is this the samre Agustin Montero that was suspended last year for violating the drug policy?

The very same.

oeo
05-12-2006, 10:15 PM
I hope he's sent down after the game...they're just taking batting practice off of him.

Lip Man 1
05-13-2006, 12:51 PM
Jeff Nelson two innings of work last night. No runs, two strikeouts

:smile:

Augustin who? Boone Logan (he allowed two more runs last night) who?

Lip