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Cat Thief
05-11-2006, 06:39 PM
I did not see the catch but Aaron Rowand messed up his face pretty good. They showed him walking off the field with a bloody face and a towel. I think he made a great catch with the bases juiced. What a surprise.

mmmmmbeeer
05-11-2006, 06:52 PM
I happened to be watching that game and it was an absolutely phenomenal catch. Bases juiced after Floyd walked the bases loaded, all 3 walks with 2 outs. Nady hit one to the wall straightaway center, Rowand had a helluva read on it and ran full speed to catch it over his shoulder. He kinda jumped to grab it and hit his head on the top railing of the wall. Unbelievable play.

Applem2
05-11-2006, 06:54 PM
I saw the catch. Mets' broadcaster Keith Hernandez called it the greatest catch he's ever seen. I agree. Rowand ran face first into the wall after making an over-the-shoulder-catch. The top of the wall split the top of his nose wide open. You could see a stream of blood flowing from his nose;he looked like a hockey player who took a stick to his face.

Cat Thief
05-11-2006, 06:55 PM
Still waiting for a replay.

Cat Thief
05-11-2006, 06:58 PM
Broken nose. The announcers are saying he is lucky that's all it is!

skobabe8
05-11-2006, 07:04 PM
UNREAL catch....any guesses how long he'll be out? I was thinking about taking the gf to Miller Park tuesday or wednesday next week to go see him.

Chisox003
05-11-2006, 07:10 PM
I hate these daily Rowand threads, but....

Wow, if anything deserves it, that catch does. Unreal.

My favorite on Yahoo:

PHILADELPHIA'S AARON ROWAND LEFT THE GAME IN THE TOP OF THE FIRST INNING WITH FACIAL LACERATIONS AFTER RUNNING INTO THE WALL.

Well done A-Row...awesome.

LAZCONUS
05-11-2006, 07:11 PM
The Eastern Sports Programming Network said that Frank has an "undisclosed injury". I hope its not the big fellas foot again. Then they showed A.R. run straight into the centre field wall making a great catch, and of course the bases were loaded. They said lacerations to his face. Has anyone heard if these injuries are serious

LongLiveFisk
05-11-2006, 07:11 PM
It really was an incredible catch. I hope that nose heals up quick! :cool:

skobabe8
05-11-2006, 07:13 PM
And all of a sudden Berman gushing over Rowand after seeing him in the playoffs last year (made it sound like the first time he saw him).

FedEx227
05-11-2006, 07:18 PM
Hopefully he heals up quickly, I was also planning go head up to Milwaukee to watch the Brew/Phils series.

Kuzman
05-11-2006, 07:27 PM
Update on ESPN 1000. He has a broken nose.

Mercy!
05-11-2006, 07:34 PM
If someone has a web link, can you post it? Thanks.

MUsoxfan
05-11-2006, 07:38 PM
I hate these daily Rowand threads, but....


Methinks there would be a thread about a guy bloodying himself up after a great catch if it was even someone like Lew Ford

WizardsofOzzie
05-11-2006, 07:42 PM
Didn't anyone send the Philly front office the memo that Aaron needs extra padding on those walls!!!??

WizardsofOzzie
05-11-2006, 07:45 PM
Quick story, no video yet though

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060511&content_id=1449412&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi

skobabe8
05-11-2006, 07:46 PM
If someone has a web link, can you post it? Thanks.

Ask and you shall recieve:

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060511&content_id=1449412&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi

EDIT: Wizard beat me to it.

StockdaleForVeep
05-11-2006, 07:50 PM
I hate these daily Rowand threads, but....

Wow, if anything deserves it, that catch does. Unreal.

My favorite on Yahoo:

PHILADELPHIA'S AARON ROWAND LEFT THE GAME IN THE TOP OF THE FIRST INNING WITH FACIAL LACERATIONS AFTER RUNNING INTO THE WALL.

Well done A-Row...awesome.

With him out, we can finally be done with the rowand threads for a few weeks

but who knows, somebody will start a rowand watch

ws05champs
05-11-2006, 07:52 PM
I was watching the Yankees/Red Sox on ESPN and the ticker announced that Rowan had to leave the Phillies game after crashing into the wall and breaking his nose.

CLR01
05-11-2006, 07:54 PM
I was watching the Yankees/Red Sox on ESPN and the ticker announced that Rowan had to leave the Phillies game after crashing into the wall and breaking his nose.


ROWAND IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE WHITE SOX ANYMORE. Quit posting this crap in the clubhouse and look around a little before you start a thread,

skobabe8
05-11-2006, 07:54 PM
I'm pretty sure this would be classified as a 'Talking Baseball' discussion.

NonetheLoaiza
05-11-2006, 08:43 PM
"Rowand, acquired in the trade that sent Jim Thome (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/4762/) to the White Sox, held a towel on his face as he was helped off the field to a standing ovation."

from Yahoo Sports.

I found this part pretty awesome.

chisoxfan83
05-11-2006, 08:50 PM
video on mlbs home page click on rowands face then click on play

LongLiveFisk
05-11-2006, 08:57 PM
Didn't anyone send the Philly front office the memo that Aaron needs extra padding on those walls!!!??

Somehow I get the feeling there's going to be after this play.

Vernam
05-11-2006, 09:03 PM
Here's the clip: http://tinyurl.com/jv2qc.

Vernam

INSox56
05-11-2006, 09:15 PM
Seriously why wouldn't you pad the OF walls. It looks as though the Philly walls ARE padded, but to like waist level only maybe. Oh well....sucks really badly. I feel so bad cuz he does that all the time but here in chicago he had padded walls to smash his face on. a little side note...anyone see the clip of a time rowand was mic'd up and smashed into a wall? He hit it and promptly said "aaaahhhhh that one hurt....!!!" hilarious

infohawk
05-11-2006, 09:17 PM
The guy slams into the wall, breaks his nose and lacerates his face. He doesn't roll around on the ground for 30 seconds or get on his knees while grabbing his face with his hands -- no, he holds up the glove to show that he caught the ball. Aaron, that's why we will always love and admire you! If Aaron were any tougher, he'd be Kenny Williams.

Edit: Seriously, I wonder if he experienced what was depicted in his Sox commercial last year. Click here (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/fan_forum/campaigns/television/index.jsp) and select "catch the ball" in the May clips. Kind of uncanny, isn't it?

bafiarocks03
05-11-2006, 09:29 PM
Awww Poor Aaron! See what happens to him once he leaves us! Getting thrown out of games, broken noses! :(:

I think everyone who owns a Rowand jersey should wear it tomorrow!
I am!! =]

IlliniSox4Life
05-11-2006, 09:48 PM
I knew Philly would love him.

Ol' No. 2
05-11-2006, 09:49 PM
I knew Philly would love him.He may not be the most instinctive CF, but how can you not appreciate a guy who leaves it all on the field every single day?

CLR01
05-11-2006, 09:58 PM
Seriously why wouldn't you pad the OF walls. It looks as though the Philly walls ARE padded, but to like waist level only maybe. Oh well....sucks really badly. I feel so bad cuz he does that all the time but here in chicago he had padded walls to smash his face on. a little side note...anyone see the clip of a time rowand was mic'd up and smashed into a wall? He hit it and promptly said "aaaahhhhh that one hurt....!!!" hilarious


They are padded. There just happens to be a chain-link fence where he hit(same as comiskey but the fences are shorter).

1951Campbell
05-11-2006, 10:00 PM
He may not be the most instinctive CF, but how can you not appreciate a guy who leaves it all on the field every single day?

If he had taken a better line, he wouldn't have broken his nose.

CLR01
05-11-2006, 10:00 PM
The guy slams into the wall, breaks his nose and lacerates his face. He doesn't roll around on the ground for 30 seconds or get on his knees while grabbing his face with his hands -- no, he holds up the glove to show that he caught the ball. Aaron, that's why we will always love and admire you! If Aaron were any tougher, he'd be Kenny Williams.


Yeah he did that as he was rolling on the ground and then went to his knees.

South Side
05-11-2006, 10:26 PM
Apparently, in addition to breaking his nose he also broke the orbital bone underneath the eye... (according to the Phillies board).

cws05champ
05-11-2006, 10:43 PM
Awesome catch by Aaron....and I'm happy that he is doing well this year. But do you notice that now he is on the East coast he is the best centerfielder in baseball according to all the ESPN "experts". Seriously, I just heard Jason Stark say that on the radio! Before he went to Philly he was considered by the Nat'l media a good CF but an overacheiver who had topped out as far as ability.

:angry:

TFLEM33
05-11-2006, 10:50 PM
I just read on ESPN.com where Aaron Rowand made a running catch with the bases loaded to end an inning, and in the process he ran into the wall and broke his nose. I miss watching him make those plays already. He plays true hard-nosed baseball without regard for his own health. He plays the game the way it was meant to be played. Oh well, I can get over it while watching Jim Thome round the bases after one of his mammoth 400+ feet home runs. But anyway, I know there have been about a dozen of these saluting Aaron, but man, you gotta tip your hat to that guy.

FedEx227
05-11-2006, 10:52 PM
You're about to get murdered...

but you're still relatively new, theres a thread about it in Talkin Baseball, you'll probably be moved to that one, or this topic will be deleted all together.

thomas35forever
05-11-2006, 10:59 PM
Just saw the replay on the news. Ouch. Hope he gets better.:(: Perhaps it wouldn't have happened at Comiskey with all the padding.

Fabs
05-11-2006, 11:15 PM
Hello! What, no mention of poor Aaron's face? Stitches??? Aaron is a HOTTIE, the thought of his face banged up is heart breaking. There's another reason we ladies in Chicago miss him, now we only have hottie Scottie to look at... (Okay, Neal and Crede are cute, but not movie star hot like Scott and Aaron).

FedEx227
05-11-2006, 11:18 PM
How's this for awful luck (from ESPN.com/AP):

Earlier this season, Rowand requested additional padding be added to the fence. The padding was ordered immediately but did not arrive until a couple days ago. (Rowand had been informed of the progress.) The padding is scheduled to be installed next week.

South Side
05-11-2006, 11:24 PM
Good luck to ya...

Corlose 15
05-11-2006, 11:25 PM
For future reference you might want to look around before you post a thread. This is about the 3rd or 4th thread on this topic tonight. Mods don't like that.:cool:

JorgeFabregas
05-11-2006, 11:28 PM
If he had taken a better line, he wouldn't have broken his nose. The guy has amazing hustle and I have a ton of respect for that, but I do think that some quicker center fielders might've gotten to the spot sooner and have been able to stop.

IlliniSox4Life
05-11-2006, 11:28 PM
According to Sportscenter, he will have surgery on Friday.

So the Phillies go on to win the game 2-0. And who says offense wins ballgames? That catch saved at least three runs, and won the game. Rowand, without taking one at bat in the game, is hands down the PTC. That catch was as good as a 3 run hr.

Jerry Seinfeld
05-11-2006, 11:37 PM
He plays true hard-nosed baseball without regard for his own health.

aha!

WizardsofOzzie
05-11-2006, 11:44 PM
Seriously why wouldn't you pad the OF walls. It looks as though the Philly walls ARE padded, but to like waist level only maybe. Oh well....sucks really badly. I feel so bad cuz he does that all the time but here in chicago he had padded walls to smash his face on. a little side note...anyone see the clip of a time rowand was mic'd up and smashed into a wall? He hit it and promptly said "aaaahhhhh that one hurt....!!!" hilarious

Yeah that was ALDS Game 1 against the Red Sox when we were routing them and he still went hard straight into the wall. Gotta love a guy like that. I wish him all the best in his recovery

getonbckthr
05-12-2006, 12:48 AM
If that was 44 the wall would have broken not his nose.
Jokes aside Philly has to be somewhat upset now. Who do they put in CF? And what did Rowand get thrown out for? I saw that in an earlier post.

South Side
05-12-2006, 01:05 AM
aha!

Ahh the irony... how many times has he been referred to like that?

(Future ref., in reading this over it sounds like I'm being sarcastic... I'm not.)

iamkoza
05-12-2006, 01:24 AM
Awesome catch by Aaron....and I'm happy that he is doing well this year. But do you notice that now he is on the East coast he is the best centerfielder in baseball according to all the ESPN "experts". Seriously, I just heard Jason Stark say that on the radio! Before he went to Philly he was considered by the Nat'l media a good CF but an overacheiver who had topped out as far as ability.

:angry:

maybe he can play less than half a season and wina gold glove because of one play... ala torrii (wait andrew jones is in the NL... scratch that thought)

faneidde
05-12-2006, 06:04 AM
The guy has amazing hustle and I have a ton of respect for that, but I do think that some quicker center fielders might've gotten to the spot sooner and have been able to stop.
You've got to be kidding me. I hope you just forgot the teal on that post, if not...:angry::angry::angry:

Viva Medias B's
05-12-2006, 07:22 AM
A-Row love has reached the "Today" show. In the show's opening, Katie Couric showed the crash by Crash. It was one of Anne Curry's news items, and Couric talked about it with Matt Lauer briefly.

OH!foracold1
05-12-2006, 08:41 AM
"Fence to face style" How do you like that?


Man! I miss that guy. Wish him all the best......
:gulp:

BackNBlack
05-12-2006, 08:46 AM
Amazing catch, I just wish it was something less severe for him so he could still play. He's been on a roll as of late. It just shows this guy gives 110% when he's out there.

Heffalump
05-12-2006, 08:49 AM
Yep, awesome catch. One of the best I've ever seen. Some people don't realize how difficult it is to turn your back to home plate like that and chase down a ball.


Anyhow, Rowand's catch only made #2 of the webgems on Sportcenter. Ken Griffey Jr.'s home run was #1.....What a crock that is!!

Johnny74
05-12-2006, 09:04 AM
Didn't anyone send the Philly front office the memo that Aaron needs extra padding on those walls!!!??

Rowand requested it and it has arrived. They just haven't put it up yet.

batmanZoSo
05-12-2006, 09:33 AM
Good lord, I've never seen anything like that. He makes catches as if the wall wasn't there.

RedHeadPaleHoser
05-12-2006, 09:33 AM
I genuinely cringed for him when I saw it on the news last night. I got goosebumps when I heard the crowd cheer, then felt sad because he doesn't play for us anymore. Being selfish, I want Thome and Rowand....

I don't care about his speed, I don't care if he never hits over .270. Guys like him are few and far between, and he DESERVES the respect for that type of mindset to play baseball. God bless him, hope he gets better soon.

ILuvThatDuck
05-12-2006, 09:43 AM
Sorry guys, I dont see what the big deal about this play was. He caught the ball (which is his job), and ran into the wall. Made a good catch but will now miss some games, in the long run he is hurting the team.

samram
05-12-2006, 09:46 AM
If that was 44 the wall would have broken not his nose.
Jokes aside Philly has to be somewhat upset now. Who do they put in CF? And what did Rowand get thrown out for? I saw that in an earlier post.

Shane Victorino will be in center and I think Abreu will play some there when they want Delucci in the lineup.

daveeym
05-12-2006, 09:47 AM
How's this for awful luck (from ESPN.com/AP):

Earlier this season, Rowand requested additional padding be added to the fence. The padding was ordered immediately but did not arrive until a couple days ago. (Rowand had been informed of the progress.) The padding is scheduled to be installed next week. Booooooooo, BOoooooooo, that's a play that pulls an entire team together, not that Philly was off to a bad start or anything but a play like that can change a season.

samram
05-12-2006, 09:48 AM
Sorry guys, I dont see what the big deal about this play was. He caught the ball (which is his job), and ran into the wall. Made a good catch but will now miss some games, in the long run he is hurting the team.

Are you kidding? The team and the entire city is energized by that play. He'll only be out two weeks or so. Plus, they have Hammels pitching tonight- baseball is making a nice comeback in Philly. The fans there really didn't think the players there cared the last few years.

ChiSoxGirl
05-12-2006, 09:53 AM
I genuinely cringed for him when I saw it on the news last night. I got goosebumps when I heard the crowd cheer, then felt sad because he doesn't play for us anymore. Being selfish, I want Thome and Rowand....

I don't care about his speed, I don't care if he never hits over .270. Guys like him are few and far between, and he DESERVES the respect for that type of mindset to play baseball. God bless him, hope he gets better soon.

Perfectly stated and echoes my sentiments EXACTLY! :thumbsup: Aaron...YES!

palehozenychicty
05-12-2006, 09:57 AM
Are you kidding? The team and the entire city is energized by that play. He'll only be out two weeks or so. Plus, they have Hammels pitching tonight- baseball is making a nice comeback in Philly. The fans there really didn't think the players there cared the last few years.

If any more proof is necessary about the impact of Rowand's play, read this:

http://www.philaphans.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=40822

samram
05-12-2006, 10:01 AM
If any more proof is necessary about the impact of Rowand's play, read this:

http://www.philaphans.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=40822

Yeah. I read that and one of my best friends is from Philly and he's saying that the guy is quickly becoming the most liked guy on that team.

Randar68
05-12-2006, 10:06 AM
Just watched the play again... don't get me wrong, it was a great play to make that catch and hang on, but he misread the ball and had to go straight back because of it... Instead of taking a direct route to the ball, he took an angle that forced him to turn directly towards the wall the last 5-8 strides and thus going blind into the wall... If he had taken a proper angle, he would have caught the ball more easily and at an angle where he would not have hit the wall head-on...

still a great catch.

flo-B-flo
05-12-2006, 10:08 AM
The guy has amazing hustle and I have a ton of respect for that, but I do think that some quicker center fielders might've gotten to the spot sooner and have been able to stop.Yea maybe Elroy Jetson.:smile:

viagracat
05-12-2006, 10:33 AM
Reminded me a little of Mays' "The Catch"

palehozenychicty
05-12-2006, 10:38 AM
Just watched the play again... don't get me wrong, it was a great play to make that catch and hang on, but he misread the ball and had to go straight back because of it... Instead of taking a direct route to the ball, he took an angle that forced him to turn directly towards the wall the last 5-8 strides and thus going blind into the wall... If he had taken a proper angle, he would have caught the ball more easily and at an angle where he would not have hit the wall head-on...

still a great catch.

stop hatin...:rolleyes:

SOXSINCE'70
05-12-2006, 10:47 AM
I bet they're not booing him in Philly now.
Get better,Aaron.Great catch.I saw so many of them
last year,I lost track.:redface:

RedHeadPaleHoser
05-12-2006, 10:49 AM
Perfectly stated and echoes my sentiments EXACTLY! :thumbsup: Aaron...YES!

Thank you...(bows humbly) :D:

Randar68
05-12-2006, 11:14 AM
stop hatin...:rolleyes:

Watch the play again and put down the kool-aid...

Fungo
05-12-2006, 11:38 AM
:anderson:

Jeez, get under the ball.

SBSoxFan
05-12-2006, 11:41 AM
Watch the play again and put down the kool-aid...
I watched it again (and again and again), and I think I can understand your point. He cuts back and over, and then has to go straight back as you point out. The "proper" angle would have been back and over straight to the wall, and then he doesn't hit the wall flush.

Having said that, I don't think any human being makes that perfect of a read, ever. In addition, how many give up on it and play it off the wall? Finally, the ball was hit to the opposite field by a right-handed hitter so, based on the stroke, it should have been slicing away from Aaron which is probably why he took his initial route. Either the ball straightened out or he overcompensated to start. Either way, as I said before, no one makes a perfect read. It's a great catch, better than Mays', imo, because there was no wall involved.

TDog
05-12-2006, 11:48 AM
A few years ago, I heard Sox bullpen coach Art Kusnyer say that the Sox need players who will "run through walls" to win. He mentioned Aaron Rowand as being one such player.

If I played baseball for a living, I would like to think I would be like Aaron Rowand. Maybe a lot of us do.

Randar68
05-12-2006, 12:25 PM
Either way, as I said before, no one makes a perfect read. It's a great catch, better than Mays', imo, because there was no wall involved.

Horse-hockey... It's symptomatic of the fact that Rowand almost NEVER makes good-to-great initial reads. When you notice something as obvious as what I noted and what you have described, it is an egregious read, it cost him easily 3-4 steps on this play...

"Great" CF'ers don't cost themselves 3-4 steps on a majority of their reads, hell, not even good ones do that... Rowand makes up for it with heart and hustle, but he's a mediocre CF'er who has to make spectacular plays to overcome his poor instincts to even be considered an average defender in my book...

The love affair with being mediocre, but doing it with flair, is just too much sometimes.

Ol' No. 2
05-12-2006, 12:50 PM
Just watched the play again... don't get me wrong, it was a great play to make that catch and hang on, but he misread the ball and had to go straight back because of it... Instead of taking a direct route to the ball, he took an angle that forced him to turn directly towards the wall the last 5-8 strides and thus going blind into the wall... If he had taken a proper angle, he would have caught the ball more easily and at an angle where he would not have hit the wall head-on...

still a great catch.Randar, you completely miss the point on Aaron Rowand. Most people recognize that he doesn't have the greatest instincts. He's a converted corner OF, but through hard work, he has turned himself into a pretty damn good CF. Sure he doesn't always get the best reads and take the best routes, but the bottom line is he catches the ball, and that's all that matters. There are no style points.

In many ways, he's the polar opposite of Willie Harris. Willie has great tools and never made much of them. Aaron has much more modest tools, but through hard work and a willingness to leave it all on the field, he's made himself into one of the better CF in baseball. Plus, that willingness tends to rub off on the other players, making him a great clubhouse influence.

IlliniSox4Life
05-12-2006, 12:58 PM
Horse-hockey... It's symptomatic of the fact that Rowand almost NEVER makes good-to-great initial reads. When you notice something as obvious as what I noted and what you have described, it is an egregious read, it cost him easily 3-4 steps on this play...

"Great" CF'ers don't cost themselves 3-4 steps on a majority of their reads, hell, not even good ones do that... Rowand makes up for it with heart and hustle, but he's a mediocre CF'er who has to make spectacular plays to overcome his poor instincts to even be considered an average defender in my book...

The love affair with being mediocre, but doing it with flair, is just too much sometimes.

IMO, hustle and determination are skills, and there's nothing mediocre about them. You can't learn to be faster, and you can't learn to give it your all. The ablity to know youre going to run into a wall and not pull up is as instinctive as making a good read on the ball.

Randar68
05-12-2006, 01:04 PM
Sure he doesn't always get the best reads and take the best routes, but the bottom line is he catches the ball, and that's all that matters. There are no style points.

The problem is that he doesn't get to a lot of other balls because of those mis-steps and reads/routes... Balls that players like Anderson get to standing up...

Maybe Rowand runs into so many walls because he's generally playing about 20 feet in front of them because he plays as deep as anyone in the game? Anyone ever consider that when a looping liners land 5 feet in front of him on a daily basis?

The rest I agree with, but ignoring all those problems because he runs into walls (as much because he doesn't know where they are as anything else) does not make a great CF'er...

He is a good teammate and a fun guy to root for but people also need to be realistic, and there are PLENTY of Rowand-love posts around here lately that still greatly overstate his abilities...

Randar68
05-12-2006, 01:06 PM
IMO, hustle and determination are skills, and there's nothing mediocre about them. You can't learn to be faster, and you can't learn to give it your all. The ablity to know youre going to run into a wall and not pull up is as instinctive as making a good read on the ball.

You can improve speed, just like strenght, with hard work... and you can improve functional speed on a baseball field by improving footwork and routes... you can't learn instincts, though, and that's really Aaron's biggest downfall, reading the ball off the bat, knowing where he is on the baseball field at all times, playing the conditions, etc...

He does bust his hump though, and I understand why that's commendable, but HE'S NOT ON THE WHITE SOX ANYMORE...

Fuller_Schettman
05-12-2006, 01:14 PM
Horse-hockey... It's symptomatic of the fact that Rowand almost NEVER makes good-to-great initial reads. When you notice something as obvious as what I noted and what you have described, it is an egregious read, it cost him easily 3-4 steps on this play...

"Great" CF'ers don't cost themselves 3-4 steps on a majority of their reads, hell, not even good ones do that... Rowand makes up for it with heart and hustle, but he's a mediocre CF'er who has to make spectacular plays to overcome his poor instincts to even be considered an average defender in my book...

The love affair with being mediocre, but doing it with flair, is just too much sometimes.
Mediocre seems harsh coming from someone who doesn't make those kinds of plays everyday (nor the millions that come with them). I'd bet your astute Rowand analysis would be better appreciated (and less mocked) in a different forum.

Or not. I'm just sayin'...

woodsdavid
05-12-2006, 01:16 PM
MLB article link:
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060511&content_id=1449412&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi

ESPN Link and video:
http://search.espn.go.com/keyword/search?searchString=rowand&Find.x=37&Find.y=5

Is there a website or link to send email to Aaron?

Ol' No. 2
05-12-2006, 01:18 PM
The problem is that he doesn't get to a lot of other balls because of those mis-steps and reads/routes... Balls that players like Anderson get to standing up...

Maybe Rowand runs into so many walls because he's generally playing about 20 feet in front of them because he plays as deep as anyone in the game? Anyone ever consider that when a looping liners land 5 feet in front of him on a daily basis?

The rest I agree with, but ignoring all those problems because he runs into walls (as much because he doesn't know where they are as anything else) does not make a great CF'er...

He is a good teammate and a fun guy to root for but people also need to be realistic, and there are PLENTY of Rowand-love posts around here lately that still greatly overstate his abilities...I don't think there are that many balls he doesn't get to that most other CF would. Anderson is clearly a better defensive CF, and there are others. But I'd bet if you ranked all the CF in MLB, you'd have to put Rowand well into the top half. That's not mediocre.

brucefan34
05-12-2006, 01:30 PM
I Gues This Is White Sox Related...

If You Have Not Seen Aarons Catch From Last Night, Go To The Phillies Website And Check It Out! Talk About Heart And Guts And Everything That Made Him What He Was To The Sox. It Is Too Amazing For Words, So I Won;t Even Try.

And I Meant For This To Be In All Caps Because I Am So Excited About It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

cbotnyse
05-12-2006, 01:35 PM
:wired: :wired: they make coffee in decaf these days......but I dont beileve this is White Sox related, its baseball related...and I did see that catch, hellva effort by Rowand

spongyfungy
05-12-2006, 02:05 PM
Ironically, Rowand had requested earlier in the season that additional padding be added to the fence. The padding was immediately ordered, but did not arrive until several days ago due to a delay by the manufacturer (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=2442148)
Ironic? I think it's a shame. Someone call OSHA



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Rowandws33
05-12-2006, 02:10 PM
That was the best catch ever by ARow he still is and will always be da man.
:bandance:

CLR01
05-12-2006, 02:13 PM
That was the best catch ever by ARow he still is and will always be da man.
:bandance:


Yeah and the man will now be out for a number of games forcing the team to use a back-up or minor leaguer. But he saved two runs in the 1st inning what a guy!

Ol' No. 2
05-12-2006, 02:24 PM
Yeah and the man will now be out for a number of games forcing the team to use a back-up or minor leaguer. But he saved two runs in the 1st inning what a guy!Do runs in the first 1st inning not count the same as in later innings? Does this rule apply to running out grounders, too? You don't turn it on and off. I want my players to have one speed.

CHISOXFAN13
05-12-2006, 02:26 PM
Yeah and the man will now be out for a number of games forcing the team to use a back-up or minor leaguer. But he saved two runs in the 1st inning what a guy!

If he doesn't catch the ball, they lose that game 3-2 and lose two of three to the team they are chasing. Kinda hard to blast him for that. I'm sure he didn't plan on breaking his nose when chasing that ball down at the wall.

samram
05-12-2006, 02:29 PM
Yeah and the man will now be out for a number of games forcing the team to use a back-up or minor leaguer. But he saved two runs in the 1st inning what a guy!

Plugging David Delucci into RF while having Abreu in CF is really not that big a deal for a couple of weeks. Delucci is a better offensive player than Rowand anyway.

batmanZoSo
05-12-2006, 02:38 PM
Bernstein was just arguing with a caller who was just dazzled by the replay and longing for some Rowand love. He insisted Rowand was a better fielder and Bernstein basically said the same thing as a lot of us--don't be fooled by highlights and crashing into walls because Rowand creates those things by bad reads. Anderson's far better, there's no question about that. Rowand has a little better arm though.

samram
05-12-2006, 02:52 PM
Bernstein was just arguing with a caller who was just dazzled by the replay and longing for some Rowand love. He insisted Rowand was a better fielder and Bernstein basically said the same thing as a lot of us--don't be fooled by highlights and crashing into walls because Rowand creates those things by bad reads. Anderson's far better, there's no question about that. Rowand has a little better arm though.

Yeah, I heard that too. I will give Rowand credit for being willing to crash into walls, but it's something he has to do because of bad reads. However, in Philly, they're just happy they no longer have Kenny Lofton out there- last year Lofton said there was no reason to crash into a wall because he might hurt himself. Not what they wanted to hear.

FedEx227
05-12-2006, 03:02 PM
But he saved two runs in the 1st inning what a guy!

Easily 3 runs, this is a bases loaded, 2-outs... everyone is running on contact.

I can't believe a guy gets beratted on this board for making a game-saving catch. Yes we know he "takes bad reads" blah blah... nobody is saying he is the best CFer to ever grace a baseball field. Most people are saying he gives it his all no matter what and has made the most of his abilities.

So hes out 2 weeks, plays like this energize a team and a city. You guy sound like FOBB talking about Pods. What Rowand did yesterday can't be measured by stats or by analysis, its a clubhouse/stadium type thing.

Fungo
05-12-2006, 03:03 PM
Bernstein was just arguing with a caller who was just dazzled by the replay and longing for some Rowand love. He insisted Rowand was a better fielder and Bernstein basically said the same thing as a lot of us--don't be fooled by highlights and crashing into walls because Rowand creates those things by bad reads. Anderson's far better, there's no question about that. Rowand has a little better arm though. You killed you post there with the last sentence. Rowand, in his wildest, wettest dream, could only wish he had the arm that Anderson has.

batmanZoSo
05-12-2006, 03:09 PM
You killed you post there with the last sentence. Rowand, in his wildest, wettest dream, could only wish he had the arm that Anderson has.

Well you seem awfully sure. I wasn't impressed with the throw Anderson made to home the other night. If it is better, it sure didn't seem as clear-cut as you put it...

palehozenychicty
05-12-2006, 03:09 PM
So hes out 2 weeks, plays like this energize a team and a city. You guy sound like FOBB talking about Pods. What Rowand did yesterday can't be measured by stats or by analysis, its a clubhouse/stadium type thing.

Indeed, as the Phils have been a team that hasn't made the playoffs since their WS appearance in '93. Like the Sox of the late 1990s and early millenium, they've had a plethora of talented players over the years that didn't amount to squat. Rowand's extracurricular efforts in ST and hustle on the field will help this team immensely if the pitching holds up, as they have one of the more underrated lineups in the game. He's exactly what the franchise needed, as baseball is returning to the city's conscience.

Baby Fisk
05-12-2006, 03:16 PM
Aaron Rowand is a cult hero.

palehozenychicty
05-12-2006, 03:19 PM
Aaron Rowand is a cult hero.

No question, he brings a spirited presence.

Randar68
05-12-2006, 03:24 PM
Well you seem awfully sure. I wasn't impressed with the throw Anderson made to home the other night. If it is better, it sure didn't seem as clear-cut as you put it...

Anderson's arm is stronger AND more accurate... how many times did Roand air-mail his cutoff guy, take forever to get rid of the ball because of bad footwork, etc???

He had a strong arm, but didn't use it very effectively...

batmanZoSo
05-12-2006, 03:31 PM
Anderson's arm is stronger AND more accurate... how many times did Roand air-mail his cutoff guy, take forever to get rid of the ball because of bad footwork, etc???

He had a strong arm, but didn't use it very effectively...

I didn't say Rowand was more accurate, but he seemed to get a lot of zip on the ball. More so than what I've seen from Anderson. I'll have to compare the two again.

Randar68
05-12-2006, 03:44 PM
I didn't say Rowand was more accurate, but he seemed to get a lot of zip on the ball. More so than what I've seen from Anderson. I'll have to compare the two again.

Anderson can really crank it up when he wants to, but what's the point of throwing 100 mph from the OF if you miss your cutoff man and throw the ball 15 feet up the line? "Good Arm" relates to more than strength alone...

DickAllen72
05-12-2006, 05:13 PM
According to Sportscenter, he will have surgery on Friday.

So the Phillies go on to win the game 2-0. And who says offense wins ballgames? That catch saved at least three runs, and won the game. Rowand, without taking one at bat in the game, is hands down the PTC. That catch was as good as a 3 run hr.

Defense is overrated. I know, because I read it on an internet message board once.

MikeLove
05-12-2006, 05:31 PM
You know what? I haven't posted anything about Rowand, but this is getting rediculous. I love how there is like 1 person on this board that says Rowand takes bad jumps and now 100 people repeat it like gospel. Maybe he doesnt take the best line 100% of the time but he is still one of the top CF's in the league. Hes not on the Sox and I don't have a crush on him so I havent been following him or posting about him, but im really getting fed up with all this badmouthing of him.

Someone made a post about some stat some site was keeping that involved calculating the speed and trajectory of balls hit and Rowand was way up there interms of saving balls that would have been hit. Hardly anyone responds to that thread which offers some sort of evidence that Rowand is an above average fielder, yet everyone seems to know 100% that "Rowand takes bad angles!".

Were you guys at that game yesterday? Did you get tape on that play and go over it like an NFL film study session? Do you play centerfield in the major leagues? **** no! I know for sure that all the replays i've seen of cut to it after the ball left the bat, and it was an unbelievable play.

Anderson is great in the field, but jesus. Rowand busted his ass for this team and was instrumental in helping them win the World Series, he wanted to stay here and got traded, show the man some ****ing respect.

Just because you guys are all butt hurt that theres all these i <3 rowand posts, doesnt give you the right to falsely belittle the man's playing ability. Hes not in a Sox uniform so you dont have to follow his every move, I don't, but you also dont have to talk **** about him either.

Jjav829
05-12-2006, 05:33 PM
Plugging David Delucci into RF while having Abreu in CF is really not that big a deal for a couple of weeks. Delucci is a better offensive player than Rowand anyway.

I think Victorino is going to get most of the playing time. I don't know much about him, but of the limited action I've seen from him, he seems like a good, young player.

That was a great catch by Rowand. Criticize the route all you want, but 95% of MLB players aren't running into the wall to make that catch.

It was great to see the way Rowand's teammates reacted to the catch. I'm sure they love the guy already.

Nice catch, Aaron. Way to save your rookie pitcher. :worship:

getonbckthr
05-12-2006, 05:39 PM
You know what? I haven't posted anything about Rowand, but this is getting rediculous. I love how there is like 1 person on this board that says Rowand takes bad jumps and now 100 people repeat it like gospel. Maybe he doesnt take the best line 100% of the time but he is still one of the top CF's in the league. Hes not on the Sox and I don't have a crush on him so I havent been following him or posting about him, but im really getting fed up with all this badmouthing of him.

Someone made a post about some stat some site was keeping that involved calculating the speed and trajectory of balls hit and Rowand was way up there interms of saving balls that would have been hit. Hardly anyone responds to that thread which offers some sort of evidence that Rowand is an above average fielder, yet everyone seems to know 100% that "Rowand takes bad angles!".

Were you guys at that game yesterday? Did you get tape on that play and go over it like an NFL film study session? Do you play centerfield in the major leagues? **** no! I know for sure that all the replays i've seen of cut to it after the ball left the bat, and it was an unbelievable play.

Anderson is great in the field, but jesus. Rowand busted his ass for this team and was instrumental in helping them win the World Series, he wanted to stay here and got traded, show the man some ****ing respect.

Just because you guys are all butt hurt that theres all these i <3 rowand posts, doesnt give you the right to falsely belittle the man's playing ability. Hes not in a Sox uniform so you dont have to follow his every move, I don't, but you also dont have to talk **** about him either.
Actually a lot of people have said that and it wasn't on this site. Hell even Hawk would make comments about how Rowand needs to take better routes because there are times he makes nice plays more difficult than they should be. I don't think anyone here means disrespect, we just point out facts. Rowand takes bad routes, Paulie is slow, Pods lacks power. Its not disrespectful its pointing out their flaws. Everyone has them.

sullythered
05-12-2006, 05:42 PM
You know what? I haven't posted anything about Rowand, but this is getting rediculous. I love how there is like 1 person on this board that says Rowand takes bad jumps and now 100 people repeat it like gospel. Maybe he doesnt take the best line 100% of the time but he is still one of the top CF's in the league. Hes not on the Sox and I don't have a crush on him so I havent been following him or posting about him, but im really getting fed up with all this badmouthing of him.

Someone made a post about some stat some site was keeping that involved calculating the speed and trajectory of balls hit and Rowand was way up there interms of saving balls that would have been hit. Hardly anyone responds to that thread which offers some sort of evidence that Rowand is an above average fielder, yet everyone seems to know 100% that "Rowand takes bad angles!".

Were you guys at that game yesterday? Did you get tape on that play and go over it like an NFL film study session? Do you play centerfield in the major leagues? **** no! I know for sure that all the replays i've seen of cut to it after the ball left the bat, and it was an unbelievable play.

Anderson is great in the field, but jesus. Rowand busted his ass for this team and was instrumental in helping them win the World Series, he wanted to stay here and got traded, show the man some ****ing respect.

Just because you guys are all butt hurt that theres all these i <3 rowand posts, doesnt give you the right to falsely belittle the man's playing ability. Hes not in a Sox uniform so you dont have to follow his every move, I don't, but you also dont have to talk **** about him either.

Sorry to quote the long post but...
Couldn't have said it better myself.

soxwon
05-12-2006, 06:05 PM
aaron put on 15 day DL
what a wuss- if he was still a sox, schneider would have him healed!!!!

maurice
05-12-2006, 06:08 PM
Why am I not surprised to see multiple posts by Randar in this thread? :redneck

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Anderson's arm strength (and accuracy and range) > Rowand's.
It's not an insult to Rowand. Anderson is simply outstanding.

Here's a homework assignment: Next time you're at the Cell and the Sox defense is warming up before the top of the inning, watch Anderson throw the warmup ball back in towards the Sox bullpen from shallow RCF. He makes a lazy, flat-footed throw...that travels 200 feet on a line. Quite impressive.

Whenever Rowand made a long throw, there was always a 25% chance that he'd do a somersault and spike the ball into the ground before it reached the mound.

fquaye149
05-12-2006, 06:32 PM
That was a great catch by Rowand. Criticize the route all you want, but 95% of MLB players aren't running into the wall to make that catch.

It was great to see the way Rowand's teammates reacted to the catch. I'm sure they love the guy already.

Nice catch, Aaron. Way to save your rookie pitcher. :worship:

This is the absolute truth, and the exact balance some posters here ought to achieve.

I completely agree with Randar that strictly speaking, many many CF's in baseball are better at playing CF than Rowand. In fact, the first thing I thought upon seeing that clip was that he had to adjust his read mid run. That was the first thing (because obviously it preceded the great catch).

But you can't ignore the great catches he makes. Rowand isn't padding his stats like Royce Clayton, who not only didn't have good range, he wouldn't sell out for balls he might not get to. Whether Rowand is great or not, he plays to the absolute top of his abilities at all times. Whether that's always a smart thing(see that catch in game three of the alds for an example, or even this game) it's certainly a lot more commendable than its opposite.

That is, I'd rather have nine Aaron Rowands on my team than nine Ryne Sandburgs (defensively speaking). I'd even spring some quarters for laundry to wash the dirty jerseys after the game.

Daver
05-12-2006, 06:46 PM
That is, I'd rather have nine Aaron Rowands on my team than nine Ryne Sandburgs (defensively speaking). I'd even spring some quarters for laundry to wash the dirty jerseys after the game.

What are you putting on the field when all nine are on the DL for not knowing where they are in the field at the same time?

NDSox12
05-12-2006, 06:54 PM
What are you putting on the field when all nine are on the DL for not knowing where they are in the field at the same time?

Rowand may have a history of running into walls, but in his defense, isn't this the first time it has landed him on the DL?

batmanZoSo
05-12-2006, 07:23 PM
Rowand may have a history of running into walls, but in his defense, isn't this the first time it has landed him on the DL?

One of these days it's gonna cost him big. I certainly hope he beats the odds, but man...

RedHeadPaleHoser
05-12-2006, 08:09 PM
Here's my post to PhilaPhans

http://www.philaphans.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=578574#post578574

CLR01
05-12-2006, 08:18 PM
Here's my post to PhilaPhans

http://www.philaphans.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=578574#post578574


Please quit speaking for ALL Sox fans.

TimoPerez
05-12-2006, 08:31 PM
Does anyone have the picture of Grinder Rule #25?

A good outfielder doesn't see the wall...He tastes it.

Nellie_Fox
05-12-2006, 08:37 PM
With all the man love being tossed at Aaron, have you considered that the time he'll be out of the lineup (three weeks minimum) might impact the team negatively far more than the catch helped?

Grzegorz
05-12-2006, 08:57 PM
That is, I'd rather have nine Aaron Rowands on my team than nine Ryne Sandburgs (defensively speaking). I'd even spring some quarters for laundry to wash the dirty jerseys after the game.

I won't go that far; Ryne Sandberg was one helluva player who could beat you in many different ways.

That being said, Rowand is foxhole material. The guy puts it all on the line for his teamates. I just don't get the anti-Rowand vibe.

StockdaleForVeep
05-12-2006, 09:02 PM
aaron put on 15 day DL
what a wuss- if he was still a sox, schneider would have him healed!!!!

Christ, is there gonna be a rowand watch now?

RedHeadPaleHoser
05-12-2006, 09:38 PM
Please quit speaking for ALL Sox fans.

Fine. My apologies.

viagracat
05-12-2006, 09:46 PM
I understand Rowand broke some orbital bones in his eye sockets as well as his nose. I'd think he'd be out for a couple months. Did you see all the blood pouring from his face? Wow.

I think there's a line between playing hard and playing dumb, and Rowand crossed it.:?:

Grzegorz
05-12-2006, 10:00 PM
I think there's a line between playing hard and playing dumb, and Rowand crossed it.:?:

Playing dumb? I do not understand this statement at all. He gave his all to catch the ball; very Peter Reiser like.


No, I am not and will never compare Aaron Rowand to Pete Reiser in terms of talent but Rowand plays the game hard with purpose.

samram
05-12-2006, 10:06 PM
I think Victorino is going to get most of the playing time. I don't know much about him, but of the limited action I've seen from him, he seems like a good, young player.

Yeah, I like Victorino too. I was just saying that losing Rowand for a couple of weeks isn't going to kill the Phils. I actually said in an earlier post that Victorino and Delucci will be alternating in the lineup.

That was a great catch and, as I've said before, it reenergized the Phillies and their fan base. There's a buzz about that team that hasn't been there in a while.

viagracat
05-12-2006, 10:22 PM
Playing dumb? I do not understand this statement at all. He gave his all to catch the ball; very Peter Reiser like.


No, I am not and will never compare Aaron Rowand to Pete Reiser in terms of talent but Rowand plays the game hard with purpose.

Yes, he does play the game hard and with purpose, but you have to know where the wall is and how to brace for it. Getting hurt like that doesn't help your team.

como
05-13-2006, 12:13 AM
Regardless of routes, Rowand is infinitely better than what the Phils had in cf last year. Let us remember that Abreu despite winning the gold glove last year is an awefull fielder, as is Burrell. If Rowand can avoid killing himself running into walls, and can sport an ops of 800 @ cbp, the Phils will be ok. Thome is really killing the ball, but Gillick had rookie of the year Howard to play 1st. The return of a starting cf, along with 1 very good prospect, and 1 decent prospect was probably the best thing that could have happened to the Phils. Trades where both sides benefit are great, and I hope that Thome hits 50 homers.

fquaye149
05-13-2006, 01:21 AM
I won't go that far; Ryne Sandberg was one helluva player who could beat you in many different ways.

you mean, like, for instance, with his bat? which certainly wouldn't be DEFENSIVELY SPEAKING like I said explicitly in my post...

fquaye149
05-13-2006, 01:24 AM
What are you putting on the field when all nine are on the DL for not knowing where they are in the field at the same time?

I dunno, but it's gotta be better than the third string catcher, whom you have to field after Torii Hunter plows Jamie Burke and Carlos Lee (the prototypical lazy fielding pct booster) does nothing about it:wink:

Just kidding...obviously that's an exaggeration...but if you take away Rowand's love for dirtbiking his aggressiveness hasn't cost him too much playing time.

Matter of fact, many injuries to "aggressive" players don't come as a result of their aggressiveness, but due to other unrelated factors--for instance, Griffey didn't pull his hamstring scaling a wall, but rather rounding first base...

Nellie_Fox
05-13-2006, 02:05 AM
They call it a "warning track" for a reason. Let a hit fall in, or end my career. Let's see...

Seriously, the guy has got to get some perspective out there. I don't want to see him with a plate in his head, or worse, in a motorized wheelchair.

Grzegorz
05-13-2006, 05:07 AM
Originally Posted by Grzegorz
I won't go that far; Ryne Sandberg was one helluva player who could beat you in many different ways.

you mean, like, for instance, with his bat? which certainly wouldn't be DEFENSIVELY SPEAKING like I said explicitly in my post...

Sorry, but there is no splitting of talent. One has to take the total package.


They call it a "warning track" for a reason. Let a hit fall in, or end my career. Let's see...

I vehemently disagree with your assertion.

I was never taught that once you hit the warning track that you as the fielder stop tracking the ball and let it drop to avoid a collision.

wassagstdu
05-13-2006, 09:04 AM
I guess some of you prefer Kenny Lofton's attitude:
http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/001696.html
The Phillies seem to have had a rep for lack of commitment or lackadaisical attitude (sound familiar?). A catch like Rowand's and an attitude like his could change all that and put the Phillies over the top (hmmm). He set a high bar for his team. If he short-arms that ball and 3 runs score, he sets a different kind of bar.

The Phillies' announcers last night said Rowand has "achieved legendary status among Phillies fans."

As for the argument about his routes, it reminds me of the ridiculous position of Orioles fans a few years ago that Cal Ripken's lack of range and failure to ever make an "extraordinary" play were unimportant because he was so smart he knew how to position himself so he never had to move that far or exert himself.

.

fquaye149
05-13-2006, 09:59 AM
Originally Posted by Grzegorz
I won't go that far; Ryne Sandberg was one helluva player who could beat you in many different ways.



Sorry, but there is no splitting of talent. One has to take the total package.



Wait, so you'll accept my assertion that I'll take a team of nine Aaron Rowand's over nine Ryne Sandburgs, but you won't allow me to only evaluate the two players defensively because "that's not the way it works in real life"?

Get real. I was trying to make a point, that point being that I'd rather have someone with less talent on defense who gives more effort than someone with a good glove who won't sell out.

Christ. But yeah, let's semanticize.

slobes
05-13-2006, 12:39 PM
Every time I watch that replay I become more and more amazed--he did not even slow up one bit. It's one thing to have no regards for your body in regards to diving for the ball, but running into the wall at full speed is a totally different level.

TDog
05-13-2006, 01:05 PM
you mean, like, for instance, with his bat? which certainly wouldn't be DEFENSIVELY SPEAKING like I said explicitly in my post...

If you want to look at the TOTAL package, Aaron Rowand is a better teammate than Ryne Sandberg, who never dived for balls to keep them from going through the infield, who blamed others the day he batted out of turn in 1985. When the Cubs needed Sandberg the most, with the season on the line late on a Sunday afternoon in San Diego in 1984, he lost a ground ball in the sun, and it ended up keeping the Cubs from going to the World Series. Ten years later he quit on his team.

Rowand may have been traded, but he never quit on his team. I think he has made the point that he never will.

champagne030
05-13-2006, 03:29 PM
If you want to look at the TOTAL package, Aaron Rowand is a better teammate than Ryne Sandberg, who never dived for balls to keep them from going through the infield, who blamed others the day he batted out of turn in 1985. When the Cubs needed Sandberg the most, with the season on the line late on a Sunday afternoon in San Diego in 1984, he lost a ground ball in the sun, and it ended up keeping the Cubs from going to the World Series. Ten years later he quit on his team.

Rowand may have been traded, but he never quit on his team. I think he has made the point that he never will.

I think Dave Martinez and steroid boy, Palmiero, thought Ryno was the ultimate team player.

TDog
05-15-2006, 04:46 AM
A friend I work with on Sunday nights who came in last night wearing a Phillies jersey (there are only a few of us upstairs when most of you were watching the Sox game). I used to ask him how "my boy Aaron" was doing. I asked him what he's heard from back home about the catch.

With that one catch, he said, Rowand has elevated himself to super-hero status, previously reserved for the likes of Lenny Dykstra. Of course, Rowand didn't strike out 20 hitters in one of his first starts, but at least he's on the DL for the right reasons.