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cbotnyse
05-09-2006, 10:29 PM
what a play! anybody else just see that??

ball hit to dead center and he went up and took it away at the top of the wall

CWSpalehoseCWS
05-09-2006, 10:31 PM
WAY TO GO PIERRE! (I can't believe I just wrote that...)

JB98
05-09-2006, 10:32 PM
what a play! anybody else just see that??

****!!! ****!!!!! Goddamn it!!!!!!

As an employee of a newspaper, I need Bonds to hit his damn 714th before deadline. I wanted this over with....:angry:

Viva Medias B's
05-09-2006, 10:33 PM
Pierre's catch wasn't as good as Pods' was tonight!

cbotnyse
05-09-2006, 10:33 PM
Pierre's catch wasn't as good as Pods' was tonight!

true that :cool:

ilsox7
05-09-2006, 10:34 PM
Pierre's catch wasn't as good as Pods' was tonight!

It also didn't rob him of a home run. That ball hits the top of the fence, unless Pierre would have deflected it over (which he almost did).

RKMeibalane
05-09-2006, 10:43 PM
Does anybody else find it funny that even as terrible as Frank has been this season, he still has more home runs and RBIs than Bonds?

lumpyspun
05-09-2006, 10:44 PM
It also didn't rob him of a home run. That ball hits the top of the fence, unless Pierre would have deflected it over (which he almost did).
hits the top of the fence? i don't teach physics, but if the ball hits the top of the fence, like you suggest, i think momentum would take it over the fence as opposed to back into the field.

oeo
05-09-2006, 10:45 PM
It also didn't rob him of a home run. That ball hits the top of the fence, unless Pierre would have deflected it over (which he almost did).

The way it looked to me, that ball was going out...but that's just me.

Tragg
05-09-2006, 10:45 PM
Pierre's catch wasn't as good as Pods' was tonight!
Very true...Pods' was cool - he just waited and timed his jump perfectly. And that ball was out by a good 6 inches to a foot.

Pierre's was a good catch, but nothing spectacular; he was just up agains the wall and the ball would have hit the top of the wall or an inch over it.

ilsox7
05-09-2006, 10:47 PM
hits the top of the fence? i don't teach physics, but if the ball hits the top of the fence, like you suggest, i think momentum would take it over the fence as opposed to back into the field.

I don't know how else to say this, but the other top of the fence. Like, when they used to have the yellow line at the top of the fence, it would have hit that and stayed in the park. Not sure how else to explain it.

cbotnyse
05-09-2006, 10:48 PM
Very true...Pods' was cool - he just waited and timed his jump perfectly. And that ball was out by a good 6 inches to a foot.

Pierre's was a good catch, but nothing spectacular; he was just up agains the wall and the ball would have hit the top of the wall or an inch over it.

big difference there

Tragg
05-09-2006, 10:51 PM
big difference there

Not really, re the difficulty of the catch.
His glove didn't go over the wall nearly as far as Pods' did, which was a spectacular catch.

oeo
05-09-2006, 11:00 PM
I don't know how else to say this, but the other top of the fence. Like, when they used to have the yellow line at the top of the fence, it would have hit that and stayed in the park. Not sure how else to explain it.

I just saw the replay from the side on SC, and that ball was a goner.

QCIASOXFAN
05-09-2006, 11:00 PM
I hope he homers his next at bat!

ilsox7
05-09-2006, 11:00 PM
I just saw the replay from the side on SC, and that ball was a goner.

I saw the replay several times and it seemed clear to me it doesn't go out.

JB98
05-09-2006, 11:05 PM
Bonds singles in the seventh. The lineup may not come around to him again. Maybe #714 comes off Zambrano tomorrow night.

lumpyspun
05-09-2006, 11:06 PM
Bonds singles in the seventh. The lineup may not come around to him again. Maybe #714 comes off Zambrano tomorrow night.

Hopefully it never comes.

RKMeibalane
05-09-2006, 11:09 PM
Bonds singles in the seventh. The lineup may not come around to him again. Maybe #714 comes off Zambrano tomorrow night.

Isn't he out for the season?

ilsox7
05-09-2006, 11:11 PM
Isn't he out for the season?

Wrong Zambrano.

RKMeibalane
05-09-2006, 11:11 PM
Wrong Zambrano.

Brain cramp. Sorry.

QCIASOXFAN
05-09-2006, 11:22 PM
Looks like he will come up again if a double play does not happen, so basically he will bat again since the Cubs are awful!

Soxfanspcu11
05-09-2006, 11:25 PM
Looks like he will come up again if a double play does not happen, so basically he will bat again since the Cubs are awful!

They are pretty damn bad. I'm starting to feel sympathy.........wait, nevermind, no I'm not.

But they are VERY TERRIBLE!

ilsox7
05-09-2006, 11:26 PM
They are pretty damn bad. I'm starting to feel sympathy.........wait, nevermind, no I'm not.

But they are VERY TERRIBLE!

I've watched several Cub games the last week b/c they are on late and I am lookign for reasons not to study. They have played as poorly as just about any MLB team I have seen in a LONG time.

QCIASOXFAN
05-09-2006, 11:29 PM
They are pretty damn bad. I'm starting to feel sympathy.........wait, nevermind, no I'm not.

But they are VERY TERRIBLE! I am seriously getting sick of talking smack to all of my Cubs Friends, it is that bad!

Soxfanspcu11
05-09-2006, 11:46 PM
I've watched several Cub games the last week b/c they are on late and I am lookign for reasons not to study. They have played as poorly as just about any MLB team I have seen in a LONG time.

They may be worse than the Royals, no teal needed.

ilsox7
05-09-2006, 11:48 PM
They may be worse than the Royals, no teal needed.
At this very moment, they are. They don't even put up a fight. They are pretty much rolling over night in and night out.

Unregistered
05-09-2006, 11:53 PM
Fun Fact: According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the Cubs are only the third team in the last 33 years to score as few as 12 runs in a 10-game stretch, joining the 2004 Montreal Expos, who did it twice that season.

MUsoxfan
05-10-2006, 12:00 AM
I am seriously getting sick of talking smack to all of my Cubs Friends, it is that bad!

I haven't said a bad word about the Cubs this year to any of my Cub fan friends. They're in enough misery for me to rub their faces in it

Soxfanspcu11
05-10-2006, 12:02 AM
At this very moment, they are. They don't even put up a fight. They are pretty much rolling over night in and night out.

I have been watching the Flubs as well, for pretty much the exact same reasons as you, and I agree completely agree. These guys might as well just not show up to the park anymore. Flubdum has reached a new level of pathetic. I didn't think that it went any lower, but it does. WOW!

Nellie_Fox
05-10-2006, 12:04 AM
I've seen the replay several times from different angles, and I don't think the ball would have been out. It looked like it would have hit about six inches from the top of the fence.

But, we'll never know.

MUsoxfan
05-10-2006, 12:06 AM
I've seen the replay several times from different angles, and I don't think the ball would have been out. It looked like it would have hit about six inches from the top of the fence.

But, we'll never know.

I thought it would have been out.

StockdaleForVeep
05-10-2006, 02:15 AM
Does anybody else find it funny that even as terrible as Frank has been this season, he still has more home runs and RBIs than Bonds?

Frank is coming off 2 ankle fractures
Bonds is coming off knee surgery and off roids

Frank has gone thru more and is doing better

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2006, 07:18 AM
At this very moment, they are. They don't even put up a fight. They are pretty much rolling over night in and night out.

I wonder how much longer Dusty Baker has.

jenn2080
05-10-2006, 07:26 AM
I think it was the first time I was cheering for someone on the Cubs. The look on Bonds when Pierre caught that. I m not sure that would have went over but the fact there was a chance that it could have was great. I hate Bonds.

Tragg
05-10-2006, 08:47 AM
I wonder how much longer Dusty Baker has. It is about time for a cub scapegoat, a bogieman. Hendry just signed an extension I think, and I don't see any players that they can throw under the bus, so that leaves Baker.

Hendry did all right stealing Lee and Ramirez (although I still don't think Ramirez is worth 10 mill a year), but hasn't done much making minor deals to at least shore up long-standing weaknesses. Their up the middle D remains atrocious.

On a side note, I like the way Rich Hill throws; it will take some time, but I think he'll be a good pitcher in a year or 2.
If they need a 1B that bad, maybe we can get him for Ross Gload :cool:

Hangar18
05-10-2006, 09:01 AM
I've seen the replay several times from different angles, and I don't think the ball would have been out. It looked like it would have hit about six inches from the top of the fence.

But, we'll never know.


***NEWSFLASH**** Juan Pierre didnt "Rob" anyone, the ball was a warning track fly ball that, because Pierre is so short, had to jump to make the catch. WASNT GOING OUT.

SoxFan78
05-10-2006, 09:14 AM
Finally a Cub player did something good for the game!!

mjharrison72
05-10-2006, 09:45 AM
It also didn't rob him of a home run. That ball hits the top of the fence, unless Pierre would have deflected it over (which he almost did).
I saw that as well. Are we the only people who noticed that had nobody been standing anywhere near the warning track, the ball would have bounced off the top part of the fence and stayed in the park? It was a nice catch and all, but it really makes me sick to see the Cubune reporting today that Pierre somehow "robbed" Bonds of a sure homer... I saw no possible way that the ball would have gone over, except, as you point out, if it had been deflected accidentally.

SOXPHILE
05-10-2006, 09:53 AM
I agree with the others here about the ball would not have gone out. The different angles I saw, it looked like it would have hit just a few inches from the top of the wall. It was still a nice catch though, but Pierre didn't "rob" the Swollen One of a homer, more likely a double. After the Sox game was over, I watched the news, then I flipped over to WGN and watched from about the 6th inning on. I found myself in a weird situation. I was still rooting for the Giants/against the Cubs, but when Bonds came up, I was hoping he would make an out, or one of the Cubs pitchers would hit him. His last at bat, when Eyre fired a couple of strikes, and went right at him, I was even saying to myself "that's it Scott. Get him. Go after him..." Weird.

viagracat
05-10-2006, 10:06 AM
It was not going out unless it kicked over the fence from Pierre's glove. Getting #714 that would way would be lame, wouldn't it?

Uncle_Patrick
05-10-2006, 10:06 AM
I saw the play when it happened and watched the replay and that ball wasn't going to leave the park unless Pierre helped it out. It was still a nice catch, though.

I've accepted the fact that Bonds, barring some freak accident, is going to pass Ruth. At this point, I'd rather him get it over with.

The Cubs look pretty bad right now. My wife's grandfather, who is a diehard Cubs fan, is convinced that the team has quit on Dusty.

Uncle_Patrick
05-10-2006, 10:29 AM
Getting #714 that would way would be lame, wouldn't it?

Probably, but instead, now Juan Pierre is being treated like a hero for catching a flyball that wasn't going to leave the park...:rolleyes:

HomeFish
05-10-2006, 10:41 AM
Whether he robbed Bonds of #714 or a double, he still robbed Bonds of something, and for that he deserves our praise.

mccoydp
05-10-2006, 11:15 AM
I watched the replay twice today...that ball wasn't going out of the park.

BackNBlack
05-10-2006, 11:36 AM
Probably, but instead, now Juan Pierre is being treated like a hero for catching a flyball that wasn't going to leave the park...:rolleyes:
That ball was not going to clear the fence unless it pops out of Pierre's glove.
Just more media hype because of the significance of Bonds next homer.ESPN is giving him alot of credit for stopping #714, even the number one highlight spot in the video top ten, meanwhile Pods got the number three spot for his catch, which was a stopper.

Hangar18
05-10-2006, 11:37 AM
While ESPN peed themselves over the warningtrack fly ball,
did they show the REAL catch that was robbed last nite ..............
Podsedniks grab over the wall?

cbotnyse
05-10-2006, 11:55 AM
That ball was not going to clear the fence unless it goes pops out of Pierre's glove.
Just more media hype because of the significance of Bonds next homer.ESPN is giving him alot of credit for stopping #714, even the number one highlight spot in the video top ten, meanwhile Pods got the number three spot for his catch, which was a stopper.

While I agree Pods' catch was much better, it came with nobody on in the eighth inning of a blowout game.......even if Bonds' hit wasnt going to go out, it certainly was close, and may deserve a little more attention . I'll give ESPN a break on this one.

Jjav829
05-10-2006, 12:11 PM
While I agree Pods' catch was much better, it came with nobody on in the eighth inning of a blowout game.......even if Bonds' hit wasnt going to go out, it certainly was close, and may deserve a little more attention . I'll give ESPN a break on this one.

And Pods catch was no sure home run, either. I actually think the ball hit by Bonds had a better chance of going out than the one hit by Salmon.

Besides, Pierre's catch was much more difficult then Pods' catch.

HomeFish
05-10-2006, 12:59 PM
While ESPN peed themselves over the warningtrack fly ball,
did they show the REAL catch that was robbed last nite ..............
Podsedniks grab over the wall?

Tim Salmon is not at 713 home runs.

Though he is the first man with an animal for a last name to hit a Home Run in the World Series. But since Mike Lamb also did that last year, it's no longer the famebringer it was.

Hangar18
05-10-2006, 01:03 PM
It also didn't rob him of a home run. That ball hits the top of the fence, unless Pierre would have deflected it over (which he almost did).

Mike Kiley today writes "Soared above the wall in center in the 5th ......"
Do you think he was really talking about Podsednik? As you can see, Podsednik was the one TRULY over the wall, Soaring, Arm clearly extended over the wall with the ball inside

maurice
05-10-2006, 01:18 PM
And Pods catch was no sure home run, either.

:?:

Jjav829
05-10-2006, 01:43 PM
:?:

:?: you. :tongue:

I'm not sure what confused you about my statement. So...:?:

NonetheLoaiza
05-10-2006, 02:12 PM
:?: you. :tongue:

I'm not sure what confused you about my statement. So...:?:
From the clips and everything, it sure looked like it was going over...

Jjav829
05-10-2006, 02:20 PM
From the clips and everything, it sure looked like it was going over...

Did you see the centerfield camera shot? I ask because I didn't see the game last night, so I don't know what shots CSN showed. I'm watching the replay on MLB.TV with the Angels feed and the shot they showed sure makes it look like that ball might not have gone out. I know the normal first base view makes it look like a home run, but the side view gives a completely different picture. The side view makes it look like the ball would have bounced off of either the top of the wall or the top of the side of the wall (if that makes any sense, hopefully you get what I mean).

ilsox7
05-10-2006, 02:20 PM
From the clips and everything, it sure looked like it was going over...

Yea, Pods' glove was literally behind him and over/behind the fence.

LongLiveFisk
05-10-2006, 02:26 PM
WAY TO GO PIERRE! (I can't believe I just wrote that...)

I know what you mean....that was the first time I ever cheered when a Cub made the play. :D:

Jjav829
05-10-2006, 02:26 PM
Yea, Pods' glove was literally behind him and over/behind the fence.

Well, his glove was behind him, but that doesn't mean much because he stopped a good 2 feet short of the fence. It's not like his back was agaisnt the wall.

ilsox7
05-10-2006, 02:28 PM
Well, his glove was behind him, but that doesn't mean much because he stopped a good 2 feet short of the fence. It's not like his back was agaisnt the wall.

The way I saw it, his wrist was on top of the fence, meaning his glove was extended beyond the fence.

maurice
05-10-2006, 03:02 PM
Podsednik definitely reached over the fence and took away a HR.

palehozenychicty
05-10-2006, 03:06 PM
Tim Salmon is not at 713 home runs.

Though he is the first man with an animal for a last name to hit a Home Run in the World Series. But since Mike Lamb also did that last year, it's no longer the famebringer it was.

:rolling:

ondafarm
05-10-2006, 03:12 PM
I was watching the Giants pound the Cubs in high-def (after the Sox game that is.)

First off, Pods definately took one away. I can't believe ESPN didn't include it as a webgem instead of Yankee$ Mat$ui making a knee high catch. Then again, it is ESPN.

Second off, Bonds ball was not going out unless Pierre had knocked the ball over. It would have hit high on the fence but been in play had the catch not been made. A good play, a solid play but not robbing a homer.

champagne030
05-10-2006, 04:07 PM
I was watching the Giants pound the Cubs in high-def (after the Sox game that is.)

First off, Pods definately took one away. I can't believe ESPN didn't include it as a webgem instead of Yankee$ Mat$ui making a knee high catch. Then again, it is ESPN.

Second off, Bonds ball was not going out unless Pierre had knocked the ball over. It would have hit high on the fence but been in play had the cacth not been made. A good play, a solid play but not robbing a homer.

You are correct about both catches.

ilsox7
05-10-2006, 04:15 PM
I was watching the Giants pound the Cubs in high-def (after the Sox game that is.)

First off, Pods definately took one away. I can't believe ESPN didn't include it as a webgem instead of Yankee$ Mat$ui making a knee high catch. Then again, it is ESPN.

Second off, Bonds ball was not going out unless Pierre had knocked the ball over. It would have hit high on the fence but been in play had the catch not been made. A good play, a solid play but not robbing a homer.

The irnoic thing is, he almost did knock it over. The ball came very close to popping out of his glove. Wouldn't that have been something for "714."

Jjav829
05-10-2006, 06:10 PM
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods4.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods3.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods2.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods1.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods5.JPG

That is the best sequence I could create without having 100 pictures. The video is much better, but the pictures will do. You be the judge. I say that it hits the top of the wall and maybe bounces over. Or maybe it doesn't. But if anyone thinks that it was "definitely" a home run, they're not watching the same thing I am. FWIW, Pierre's catch was virtually the same as this. The only difference is Pierre was against the wall, whereas Pods is about two feet in front of the wall.

maurice
05-10-2006, 07:10 PM
Pods is about two feet in front of the wall.

You keep saying this, but it doesn't matter where his body is, it matters where his glove is. You're correct that he stopped before the wall and waited there for the ball to come down. What everybody else in this thread is saying is that, when Podsednik jumped, his glove was over the wall. The ball entered his glove over the wall and pushed his glove even further over the wall, causing the controtion of his glove.

Jjav829
05-10-2006, 07:33 PM
You keep saying this, but it doesn't matter where his body is, it matters where his glove is. You're correct that he stopped before the wall and waited there for the ball to come down. What everybody else in this thread is saying is that, when Podsednik jumped, his glove was over the wall. The ball entered his glove over the wall and pushed his glove even further over the wall, causing the controtion of his glove.
The only reason I point out that Pods stopped before the wall is because some people seem to think that because Pods' arm went behind him, that the ball must have gone over the wall.

Did you see a video replay of the shot that I posted pictures for? I really do want a reply to this because like I said previously, I didn't see the game last night. I don't know what angles CSN used. I do know that when I first saw the highlight on ESPN this morning, I thought Pods robbed a home run because of the way his arm snapped back after the catch. But that was with the first base shot and I have the benefit of watching the MLB.TV replay over and over to see the side shot. I'm not sure how many people have seen this replay and I honestly would like to know whether this is something CSN showed. I just can't fathom how anyone could watch the side replay and say definitively that is was or wasn't a home run.

maurice
05-10-2006, 08:32 PM
Did you see a video replay of the shot that I posted pictures for? I really do want a reply to this because like I said previously, I didn't see the game last night.

Yes. I also watched the game but don't remember all the replay angles used.

This is starting to remind me of the WSI thread on Josh Paul's error with one major difference: This play doesn't really matter (sorry, Henry).
:wink:

On second thought, maybe it's more like the "NY fan punches Pods in the face" thread.

ondafarm
05-10-2006, 08:41 PM
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods4.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods3.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods2.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods1.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/pods5.JPG

That is the best sequence I could create without having 100 pictures. The video is much better, but the pictures will do. You be the judge. I say that it hits the top of the wall and maybe bounces over. Or maybe it doesn't. But if anyone thinks that it was "definitely" a home run, they're not watching the same thing I am. FWIW, Pierre's catch was virtually the same as this. The only difference is Pierre was against the wall, whereas Pods is about two feet in front of the wall.

The difference between Pods' and Pierre's was as much the wall as everything else. The wall at USCF has the yellow stripe on it, the wall at Pac Bell does not. A wall with a yellow stripe the top is out of play, a wall without it the ball is in. In Pac Bell hit the top of the wall and bounce out you've got a ground rule double. At USCF, hit the top of the wall and bounce out and the ball is a homer.

Both outfielders were about two feet from the wall. I was watching the Giants came on HDTV, they showed a slow-mo close-up of the play. Pierre's glove never was over the wall. In your fourth photo, Pods' glove clearly is over the wall.

Jjav829
05-10-2006, 09:06 PM
Yes. I also watched the game but don't remember all the replay angles used.

This is starting to remind me of the WSI thread on Josh Paul's error with one major difference: This play doesn't really matter (sorry, Henry).
:wink:

Well, that's a start. Now you're comparing it to another very close play which is far from your earlier statement that Pods "definitely reached over the fence and took away a HR." :smile:

That's really all I am getting at. I can't say for sure whether it would have been a home run or not. I don't think it would have been, but I'm not certain of that, and that's really the only point I am trying to make.

Jjav829
05-10-2006, 09:11 PM
The difference between Pods' and Pierre's was as much the wall as everything else. The wall at USCF has the yellow stripe on it, the wall at Pac Bell does not. A wall with a yellow stripe the top is out of play, a wall without it the ball is in. In Pac Bell hit the top of the wall and bounce out you've got a ground rule double. At USCF, hit the top of the wall and bounce out and the ball is a homer.

Both outfielders were about two feet from the wall. I was watching the Giants came on HDTV, they showed a slow-mo close-up of the play. Pierre's glove never was over the wall. In your fourth photo, Pods' glove clearly is over the wall.

Uhhh, huh? :?: If the ball bounces off the top of the wall and goes over the wall, it's a home run. And at the Cell, if a ball hits the yellow line and bounces back into play, it's a double. We've seen this several times in recent years. The two I can recall off the top of my head are Justin Morneau's double which was originally called a home run (the game where he had two home runs reversed in 2004) and a similar situation with Carlos Lee of which I don't recall the exact situation.

And FWIW, and I know it's hard to see this based on a still frame as opposed to a moving video, Pods' glove is not over the fence in picture 4.

ondafarm
05-10-2006, 10:36 PM
Uhhh, huh? :?: If the ball bounces off the top of the wall and goes over the wall, it's a home run. And at the Cell, if a ball hits the yellow line and bounces back into play, it's a double. We've seen this several times in recent years. The two I can recall off the top of my head are Justin Morneau's double which was originally called a home run (the game where he had two home runs reversed in 2004) and a similar situation with Carlos Lee of which I don't recall the exact situation.

And FWIW, and I know it's hard to see this based on a still frame as opposed to a moving video, Pods' glove is not over the fence in picture 4.

Really? RTFM.

Ground rules.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/umpires/ground_rules.jsp

Note for USCF:
Any fair, batted ball that travels over the yellow line painted on the outfield fence is a home run.

Official Rules:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/definition_terms_2.jsp

Note for Fair Territory is defined as . . .
from home base to the bottom of the playing field fence and perpendicularly upwards.

I don't care what you recall/think. I know what the umpires would have called.

Jjav829
05-10-2006, 10:45 PM
Really? RTFM.

Ground rules.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/umpires/ground_rules.jsp

Note for USCF:
Any fair, batted ball that travels over the yellow line painted on the outfield fence is a home run.

Official Rules:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/definition_terms_2.jsp

Note for Fair Territory is defined as . . .
from home base to the bottom of the playing field fence and perpendicularly upwards.

I don't care what you recall/think. I know what the umpires would have called.

Yes "over" the yellow line is obviously a home run. That's why the yellow line is there. Anything that travels over the line is obviously a home run. As for hitting the yellow line and bouncing back into play, that's a different story. For U.S. Cellular Field, if the ball hits the line and bounces into play, it is not a home run.

maurice
05-11-2006, 12:08 PM
Well, that's a start. Now you're comparing it to another very close play which is far from your earlier statement that Pods "definitely reached over the fence and took away a HR." :smile:

You obviously have forgotten the posts I made in that earlier thread. :D: