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Lip Man 1
05-09-2006, 06:49 PM
Mods please move if you feel it's correct to do so.

OK it's now official... Jose is on the 15 day DL due to a SLIGHT strain/irritation of the nerve in his lower back.

Before anyone jumps off the ledge or listens to some in the media HEAR THIS:

BOTH Kenny and Ozzie just said this was a PRECAUTIONARY move.

BOTH said he wasn't going to pitch Wednesday but COULD potentially do so on Monday. However they felt it was better to be safe then sorry.

He's not Mark Prior gang. Relax. He'll miss two starts. Big deal.

Chuck Garfein just reported on Chicago Tribune Live that he saw Jose earlier and he was walking around fine (which dovetails with my personal observation of Jose yesterday in the lobby of the Westin Hotel on Michigan Avenue...)

Now in the event something does happen to knock him out for a long period of time the Sox will move McCarthy into the rotation, bring up Jeff Nelson and Kenny will go out and get another relief guy come June/July.

There you have it.

Lip

Chips
05-09-2006, 06:51 PM
My season is over.:redneck

DickAllen72
05-09-2006, 06:55 PM
Now in the event something does happen to knock him out for a long period of time the Sox will move McCarthy into the rotation, bring up Jeff Nelson and Kenny will go out and get another relief guy come June/July.

There you have it.

Lip

This makes sense but just to be clear, did Kenny or Ozzie say this or is this just your analysis.

Thanks.

dickallen15
05-09-2006, 06:57 PM
One report says he has Sciatica, which may go away tomorrow or can linger a long while. While its nice that they don't think its serious, remember Magglio Ordonez was day to day before he needed a radical procedure to be able to play again.

soxjim
05-09-2006, 06:57 PM
This is a good move on the SOX part play it safe. No need to move McCarthy into the starting rotation. Now if it would go longer lets say 2 months then yes move McCarthy into the rotation. This is no big deal after all we are dealing with Jose Contreras not carrie wood or mark crier.

Ol' No. 2
05-09-2006, 07:01 PM
One report says he has Sciatica, which may go away tomorrow or can linger a long while. While its nice that they don't think its serious, remember Magglio Ordonez was day to day before he needed a radical procedure to be able to play again.What? Are you filling in for Homefish?

dickallen15
05-09-2006, 07:03 PM
What? Are you filling in for Homefish?

I'm just saying that the White Sox haven't been very upfront with their injuries the last few years. Not to the extent of the other team in Chicago, but..............................
I'm sure Contreras will be fine, but backs can be very tricky.

whitesoxfan
05-09-2006, 07:06 PM
not too bad, only 2 starts missed. We'll be fine :smile:

JB98
05-09-2006, 07:06 PM
The Sox are being cautious, and rightfully so. A couple of starts in May are no big deal. We need a healthy Jose later in the season.

Get well soon, JC.

KRS1
05-09-2006, 07:13 PM
Did they say what day it was retroactive to? They can go as far back as his last game pitched correct?

MisterB
05-09-2006, 07:14 PM
I'm just saying that the White Sox haven't been very upfront with their injuries the last few years.

They haven't? There's a difference between intentionally downplaying the severity of an injury and simply not knowing the full extent of said injuries.

mcg
05-09-2006, 07:16 PM
If he's on the 15 day DL (retroactive to May 4th-ish?) then how could he potentially pitch on Monday? Did you mean next Monday (the 22nd)? Or did I read the it totally wrong? :?:

sox1970
05-09-2006, 07:16 PM
Did they say what day it was retroactive to? They can go as far back as his last game pitched correct?

Yes, it's retroactive to May 4. The Sox can keep the rotation intact with Haeger taking Jose's spot, and Jose will hopefully be ready to face the Cubs on May 20th. At least I hope so, since I'm going to the game.

PalehosePlanet
05-09-2006, 07:18 PM
Are we bringing Haeger up, or just pushing everyone else up a day for now?

IlliniSox4Life
05-09-2006, 07:21 PM
Are we bringing Haeger up, or just pushing everyone else up a day for now?

Haeger is coming up. Depending on how he pitches tomorrow, the Sox will either go with him again or possibly give McCarthy a start.

SoxEd
05-09-2006, 07:30 PM
Has it been announced officially that JC is on the DL & Haeger is coming up yet?

I've only seen the DL mentioned as a possibility...

The Sox' site still doesn't have any announcement up, but that could be slow, I guess.

Please bear with me and remember that, as I'm a foreign oik, I'm not exposed to the Chicago media all day (which I'm grateful for most of the time, given what you guys say about it...).

dickallen15
05-09-2006, 07:31 PM
Has it been announced officially that JC is on the DL & Haeger is coming up yet?

I've only seen the DL mentioned as a possibility...

The Sox' site still doesn't have any announcement up, but that could be slow, I guess.

Please bear with me and remember that, as I'm a foreign oik, I'm not exposed to the Chicago media all day (which I'm grateful for most of the time, given what you guys say about it...).

Reiferts' blog says he going to be DL'ed.

Lip Man 1
05-09-2006, 07:33 PM
Dick Allen:

The comments are this being cautions and that they don't think this is a serious injury BOTH come from Kenny and Ozzie. (soundbites were shown on Chicago Tribune Live!)

Regarding 'Monday', that was in relation to pitching in Minnesota. Both said he potentially could have pitched then but both wanted to be cautious and play it safe.

In fact according to Garfein had Contreras insisted that he was able to work and strongly pushed it, the Sox wouldn't have put him on the DL at all and let him throw against the Twins.

Lip

Bobbo35
05-09-2006, 07:33 PM
The Sox are being cautious, and rightfully so. A couple of starts in May are no big deal. We need a healthy Jose later in the season.

Get well soon, JC.

People do not worry, better be safe than sorry and have an incident like Magglio where he missed almost all year.

Lip Man 1
05-09-2006, 07:36 PM
Part of the reason for Magglio's situation was in fact because (in my opinion) the Sox did misunderstand the injury. Intitially it was considered a 'bruise' behind the knee. But also remember Magglio himself insisted on playing in Texas where he ran, slid into home and played a good game. I think he got two hits. That apparently aggrivated the problem.

It was a combination of the two that led to him being out for the year.

All I'm saying is that according to the Sox themselves this isn't considered a serious issue at this point.

Here's the latest from Scott Reifert's blog:

"Jose is going to be placed on the 15-day disabled list with sciatica, or inflammation in his back that is causing the stiffness. Knuckleball specialist Charlie Haeger will be recalled from Class AAA Charlotte and start tomorrow's game.
Ozzie and Kenny addressed the media within the past hour, while Jose and Herm Schneider will be available between now and game time (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/subscriptions/mlbtv.jsp).

Ozzie said his prefers to have Haeger start because he is concerned that McCartney may only be able to give him 2-3 innings. Haeger, who has been starting for Charlotte, can go deeper into the game.

Also, Ozzie hopes that with the time off, Contreras can return in time for the series with the Cubs.

Jose is obviously down and disappointed.

Kenny remarked that even before talking to the pitcher, they had decided today that he would be given the time off to avoid risking anything further."

Now call me crazy but that doesn't sound like Wood, Prior, Ordonez or Thomas does it?

Lip

mcg
05-09-2006, 07:43 PM
...Regarding 'Monday', that was in relation to pitching in Minnesota. Both said he potentially could have pitched then but both wanted to be cautious and play it safe... Thanks for clarifying Lip.

Do we know what day this retroactive to? Does it start on May 4th since he pitched on May 3rd? Would that make him eligible on May 19th? I never payed close attention to the rules about the DL. :redface:

SoxEd
05-09-2006, 07:43 PM
Thanks for the info guys.

Chicken Dinner
05-09-2006, 07:48 PM
No official word on the call-up

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060509&content_id=1445235&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

dickallen15
05-09-2006, 07:49 PM
Part of the reason for Magglio's situation was in fact because (in my opinion) the Sox did misunderstand the injury. Intitially it was considered a 'bruise' behind the knee. But also remember Magglio himself insisted on playing in Texas where he ran, slid into home and played a good game. I think he got two hits. That apparently aggrivated the problem.

It was a combination of the two that led to him being out for the year.

All I'm saying is that according to the Sox themselves this isn't considered a serious issue at this point.

Here's the latest from Scott Reifert's blog:

"Jose is going to be placed on the 15-day disabled list with sciatica, or inflammation in his back that is causing the stiffness. Knuckleball specialist Charlie Haeger will be recalled from Class AAA Charlotte and start tomorrow's game.
Ozzie and Kenny addressed the media within the past hour, while Jose and Herm Schneider will be available between now and game time (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/subscriptions/mlbtv.jsp).

Ozzie said his prefers to have Haeger start because he is concerned that McCartney may only be able to give him 2-3 innings. Haeger, who has been starting for Charlotte, can go deeper into the game.

Also, Ozzie hopes that with the time off, Contreras can return in time for the series with the Cubs.

Jose is obviously down and disappointed.

Kenny remarked that even before talking to the pitcher, they had decided today that he would be given the time off to avoid risking anything further."

Now call me crazy but that doesn't sound like Wood, Prior, Ordonez or Thomas does it?

Lip

Ozzie "hopes" he can return for the Cubs series. I'm sure there are people on this site that have had sciatica. Its something that can linger for a few weeks, and if it does, it would take JC another week or more beyond that to be ready to pitch. I believe them when they say they are just being cautious, but I think its far from a lock that he's back for that Cubs series.

PalehosePlanet
05-09-2006, 07:54 PM
We'll survive. All great teams do.

KRS1
05-09-2006, 07:54 PM
Another reason to be optomistic about this, is the fact that they retroactivated him, as they wouldnt have done that if they felt the injury was severe or even moderate. To me it basically says, he is fine, but we are going to be damn well sure of it before he is back on the mound, rather than he needs as much rest as possible because this could get ugly.

rocky biddle
05-09-2006, 08:14 PM
The fact that it's a sciatica flare up is good news. Not to diminish this affliction, but it's something that can be treated. It's not like something is "broken" like a herniated disc (which is keeping Dustin Hermanson out). I have major back problems and am very confident that a few physical therapy sessions will get JC back to 100%. It will be a maintenance issue from then on. Hopefully Big Herm and the training staff will have Jose back in top form in no time.

BTW- It seems the WSI membership is split down the middle on this issue, but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing JC sit out the meaningless cubs series.

dickallen15
05-09-2006, 09:09 PM
Another reason to be optomistic about this, is the fact that they retroactivated him, as they wouldnt have done that if they felt the injury was severe or even moderate. To me it basically says, he is fine, but we are going to be damn well sure of it before he is back on the mound, rather than he needs as much rest as possible because this could get ugly.
They always retroactive it.

flo-B-flo
05-09-2006, 09:17 PM
Sox got it covered. And excellent information gathering by the Lip. Thanks man.

beckett21
05-09-2006, 09:42 PM
Naturally I'm not close to the situation, but I don't forsee this being a big deal.

Let the big guy get a little rest, some anti-inflammatories and some of Herm's magic and hopefully he'll be just fine. I'm not the least bit worried right now. Yes, it could linger. That is the best reason of all to DL him now. Treat it, heal it and move on.

Any comparisions to the Magglio 'situation' are like comparing apples and oranges. In other words, there is no comparison.

Hell, if Lip isn't worried I sure am not. :redneck

BeviBall!
05-09-2006, 09:54 PM
One report says he has Sciatica, which may go away tomorrow or can linger a long while. While its nice that they don't think its serious, remember Magglio Ordonez was day to day before he needed a radical procedure to be able to play again.

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/panic-button.jpg

Shoeless_Jim
05-09-2006, 10:31 PM
they will probably win both games the way that they have been hitting.

KRS1
05-09-2006, 10:36 PM
They always retroactive it.

What I meant to say, was they did all the way back to his last start. In many cases where teams feel an injury is going to become a trouble, and want to get there player max rest, they will place it as close to the day they place him on it as possible, if not that very day.

anewman35
05-09-2006, 10:52 PM
What I meant to say, was they did all the way back to his last start. In many cases where teams feel an injury is going to become a trouble, and want to get there player max rest, they will place it as close to the day they place him on it as possible, if not that very day.

What? No, they don't. Just because it's the 15 day DL doesn't mean they can only be on the DL for 15 days. You can leave a player on the 15 day DL for as long as you want. I can't recall ever reading about a team specifically making sure to NOT make it retroactive to "get there player max rest".

ilsox7
05-09-2006, 10:53 PM
What? No, they don't. Just because it's the 15 day DL doesn't mean they can only be on the DL for 15 days. You can leave a player on the 15 day DL for as long as you want. I can't recall ever reading about a team specifically making sure to NOT make it retroactive to "get there player max rest".

Yea, I was aboutto post the same thing. Teams pretty much always make it retroactive.

KRS1
05-09-2006, 10:58 PM
What? No, they don't. Just because it's the 15 day DL doesn't mean they can only be on the DL for 15 days. You can leave a player on the 15 day DL for as long as you want. I can't recall ever reading about a team specifically making sure to NOT make it retroactive to "get there player max rest".
Correct me if Im wrong, but if you dont activate that player after 15 games, he must remain on it for another 15 games. Hence the reason why some teams will get there players on there as late as possible while still getting a player up to replace him in reasonable time. If you feel it will be a small injury, but one that requires another roster spot open, you push it back farther, and if you want to give a player max time to get healthy before you re-evaluate later you do so as late as possible. This is not including the minor league rehab rules of course.

ilsox7
05-09-2006, 11:05 PM
Correct me if Im wrong, but if you dont activate that player after 15 games, he must remain on it for another 15 games. Hence the reason why some teams will get there players on there as late as possible while still getting a player up to replace him in reasonable time. If you feel it will be a small injury, but one that requires another roster spot open, you push it back farther, and if you want to give a player max time to get healthy before you re-evaluate later you do so as late as possible. This is not including the minor league rehab rules of course.

Fairly certain you're wrong, but don't have a link to prove it. Again, I've never seen a team not make it retroactive.

longshot7
05-09-2006, 11:16 PM
Hell, if Lip isn't worried I sure am not. :redneck

Very good point.

Lip Man 1
05-09-2006, 11:37 PM
Gang:

From the Tribune web site:

Contreras to DL óbut don't panic
Sox ace's back better, but he'll sit until at least May 20 vs. Cubs


That's all you need to know gang. In fact in Mark Gonzales story Schnieder says Contreras pleaded with Ozzie and him to pitch TOMORROW! On Comcast Sports they quoted Jose as saying how much better he's feeling and that "I should be ready in five or six days..."


Everyone now come in off the ledge please.

Lip

markopat
05-10-2006, 12:15 AM
Gang:

From the Tribune web site:

Contreras to DL óbut don't panic
Sox ace's back better, but he'll sit until at least May 20 vs. Cubs


That's all you need to know gang. In fact in Mark Gonzales story Schnieder says Contreras pleaded with Ozzie and him to pitch TOMORROW! On Comcast Sports they quoted Jose as saying how much better he's feeling and that "I should be ready in five or six days..."


Everyone now come in off the ledge please.

Lip



NICE! Thanks Lip...I do feel better now!

anewman35
05-10-2006, 07:45 AM
Correct me if Im wrong, but if you dont activate that player after 15 games, he must remain on it for another 15 games. Hence the reason why some teams will get there players on there as late as possible while still getting a player up to replace him in reasonable time. If you feel it will be a small injury, but one that requires another roster spot open, you push it back farther, and if you want to give a player max time to get healthy before you re-evaluate later you do so as late as possible. This is not including the minor league rehab rules of course.

Nope. Doesn't work like that. A person has to stay on the list for AT LEAST 15 days, but after that can come off any time.

dickallen15
05-10-2006, 08:07 AM
What I meant to say, was they did all the way back to his last start. In many cases where teams feel an injury is going to become a trouble, and want to get there player max rest, they will place it as close to the day they place him on it as possible, if not that very day.

That's standard. He could remain on the 15 day DL for the rest of the season if it was necessary. I believe you can only have a certain amount of players on the 15 day. Once you reach that limit, you have to transfer someone to the 60 day, and if you do, you can't retro the 60 day any farther than you had on the 15 day. Its common practice to retro the DL as far back as possible.Anyway, it appears it isn't serious and he should be ready to go May 20th. If not, no one will believe White Sox injury recovery prognostications again.

Randar68
05-10-2006, 09:47 AM
I'm just saying that the White Sox haven't been very upfront with their injuries the last few years. Not to the extent of the other team in Chicago, but..............................
:whoflungpoo

*** are you talking about? Maggs required seeing a half dozen specialists to even figure out what was wrong... sheeesh, the Sox were misleading? Nobody knew the extent of the injury, but hell, I guess they should have just put him on the 60 day DL because of their psychic powers, right?

This is asinine.

What are the other examples of the Sox not being upfront... please explain them to me, Mr. tinfoil hat specialist...

He has an inflamed nerve... this is not a back spasm, muscle injury that will cause scar tissue, herniated disc, etc... this is not the type of injury that you say "well, backs are tricky, so therefore I know more than the Sox and their Doctors..."

Just a bunch of phooey...

beckett21
05-10-2006, 10:07 AM
Everyone now come in off the ledge please.

Lip



Here's something you don't see every day. :redneck

BTW, good work Lip. :thumbsup:

Jurr
05-10-2006, 02:38 PM
That sciatica isn't a joke....doing dental work in my chair for long periods of time causes it to act up on me from time to time. I'll be walking, and then it'll feel like my hamstring is about to tear. It happens every two or so months. After ten minutes of walking it off, it goes away.

That's probably why Contreras didn't think he should go on the DL, because it goes away so quickly. However, the Sox are smart to be cautious.