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BigHurtEm35
05-09-2006, 12:37 PM
ESPN has a feature story by Rob Neyer about Haeger but you have to have thier Insider Package, anyone have it and have time to quickly summarize what he has to say? I have seen Haegar's impressive numbers this year but does anyone have the inside scoop on him and his background? Thanks and Go Sox!

chaerulez
05-09-2006, 12:39 PM
Knowing Neyer, he probably says that Haeger is terrible.

Randar68
05-09-2006, 12:43 PM
ESPN has a feature story by Rob Neyer about Haeger but you have to have thier Insider Package, anyone have it and have time to quickly summarize what he has to say? I have seen Haegar's impressive numbers this year but does anyone have the inside scoop on him and his background? Thanks and Go Sox!

The search function is your friend...

VASoxfan1
05-09-2006, 12:48 PM
He talks about how, as far as neyers knows, he'd be the youngest knuckleballer to appear in the majors in a long long time.

he kinda stays neutral as far as what that means talent wise.

White Sox Randy
05-09-2006, 12:49 PM
I'd be surprised if his outing turns decently. But, I'm hoping.

EndemicSox
05-09-2006, 12:59 PM
ESPN loves the Knuckleball, and you would think most fans do as well. It's the one pitch we all think we can throw. I'm telling you, when I get a little wind behind the thing...

EMachine10
05-09-2006, 01:00 PM
Who is going to catch Haeger when he starts?

soxfan13
05-09-2006, 01:04 PM
Who is going to catch Haeger when he starts?

AJ with a bigger mitt I am sure he caught him in spring training at some point

Chicken Dinner
05-09-2006, 01:25 PM
AJ with a bigger mitt I am sure he caught him in spring training at some point

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060313&content_id=1348013&vkey=spt2006gamer&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

voodoochile
05-09-2006, 01:32 PM
So is his theme music going to be "I can't (throw)... FIFTY-FIVE!"

SoxSideIrish
05-09-2006, 02:04 PM
I read the article, it's kind of a pointless one. It's nice because it seems like Neyer (and ESPN) think pretty highly of Charlie and they definitely have a bias towards the flutterball. To summarize, Charlie throws the knuckleball and he is apparently the youngest knuckleballer to hit the majors. That was basically it. Neyer, though, did mention some other prospects who failed at it (the knuckleball) and called Charlie "the real thing." OK article, but it's still fun to see a Sox prospect get his own story.

oeo
05-09-2006, 02:08 PM
Now, if Haeger succeeds, does he become expendable or does he wait in the wings for a few more years? I mean, we already have McCarthy waiting, what are we going to do with Haeger?

JohnBasedowYoda
05-09-2006, 02:11 PM
Now, if Haeger succeeds, does he become expendable or does he wait in the wings for a few more years? I mean, we already have McCarthy waiting, what are we going to do with Haeger?

When we trade Garland we'll have room.

Berkules
05-09-2006, 02:16 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060313&content_id=1348013&vkey=spt2006gamer&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
Ray Liotta eh?

ondafarm
05-09-2006, 02:20 PM
Can you imagine facing Haeger and then Jenks in consecutive at bats? A nightmare scenario to be sure.

NonetheLoaiza
05-09-2006, 02:23 PM
This move isn't official yet, is it?

IronFisk
05-09-2006, 02:25 PM
Hmmm, a knuckleball reliever? I actually love the knuckleball - if you master it, you can play in the bigs forever. However, the downside is when it's not working - DOH!

D. TODD
05-09-2006, 02:25 PM
I assume this is the knuckleballing guy I saw at the only spring training game I have ever been to. Earlier this year against the D'backs and he was ROCKED. Spring training is pretty much useless though other then getting the work in, but that's my only memory of this guy. Hope he can handle it.

Berkules
05-09-2006, 02:25 PM
This move isn't official yet, is it?
He's not even on the DL yet! The article on MLB.com says that Coop said it would be a "small miracle" for Jose to start but it could happen...and it's his back if there is still any confusion, not the hip.

34 Inch Stick
05-09-2006, 03:34 PM
Schwartzen-Hager!

lumpyspun
05-09-2006, 03:37 PM
Not to hijack a thread...but,

Who actually would pay for ESPN insider? I'm pissed as it is that ESPN gets a share of my cable bill every month.

BeviBall!
05-09-2006, 04:04 PM
Not to hijack a thread...but,

Who actually would pay for ESPN insider? I'm pissed as it is that ESPN gets a share of my cable bill every month.

I do. You also get the magazine as part of the $5.95/mo.

Frater Perdurabo
05-09-2006, 04:33 PM
I assume this is the knuckleballing guy I saw at the only spring training game I have ever been to. Earlier this year against the D'backs and he was ROCKED. Spring training is pretty much useless though other then getting the work in, but that's my only memory of this guy. Hope he can handle it.

Did you see the knuckleballer (presumably Haeger) pitch in Tuscon? If so, remember that the higher altitude means that there is less air to make the floating knuckler bob and weave on it's way to the plate. Denser air makes the knuckleball have more movement.

credeistheman
05-09-2006, 05:01 PM
liotta pitched a couple games during spring training, and he was lookin' good. here he is when they were wearing the 1919 unis.

in the post game interview he said, "for as long as i can remember, i've always wanted to be a starter."

http://emanuellevy.com/images/photos/bckcft2ot7g.jpg

DrCrawdad
05-09-2006, 08:45 PM
This move isn't official yet, is it?

Singleton on the pregame said that Haeger was called up and Jose put on the DL. Hawk and DJ just mentioned it too.

champagne030
05-09-2006, 08:58 PM
I do. You also get the magazine as part of the $5.95/mo.

Plus a free subcription to Maxim.

DSpivack
05-09-2006, 09:41 PM
He pitched in Atlanta on the saturday exhibition game. The knuckler was breaking somewhat, I think he gave up something like three earned runs in five or six innings, don't remember exactly.

And a knuckler on the Sox called Charlie? Maybe Haegar will be pitching for the Pale Hose in 2026!

HotelWhiteSox
05-09-2006, 09:41 PM
I'm probably in the minority in not liking Haegar (at least putting him on the bottom of the staff's depth chart), I know he had great stats, I just hate the knuckleball, which a lot of times means free bases.

kevingrt
05-09-2006, 11:10 PM
I am kind of excited to see a knuckleballer out on the mound. He might not be that great but no one will know what is coming with the kid and it could be interesante.

Realist
05-09-2006, 11:38 PM
Wasn't our last knuckleballer named Charlie too?

DrCrawdad
05-09-2006, 11:42 PM
I am kind of excited to see a knuckleballer out on the mound. He might not be that great but no one will know what is coming with the kid and it could be interesante.

Me too. One of my all-time favorite Sox players is Wilbur Wood, knuckleball ace.

There is something about the knuckleball that I just plain enjoy. Is that it's unusual, out of the norm? I don't know exactly why I enjoy watching a knuckleball pitcher, but I just do. Fun stuff.

Lip Man 1
05-10-2006, 01:33 AM
Nice story on Sox knuckleballers in the Tribune:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060509soxknuckler,1,3184060.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

By the way I was the guy who gave the Trib Wilbur's, J.C.'s and Ed's phone numbers!

:smile:

Lip

BNLSox
05-10-2006, 01:50 AM
That was a great article! Thanks Lip!

Optipessimism
05-10-2006, 02:02 AM
Can you imagine facing Haeger and then Jenks in consecutive at bats? A nightmare scenario to be sure.

I hope not. Knuckleballers still scare me, and I wouldn't trust one with the game on the line. I'd hate to see a theme of leadoff walks in the 8th inning of a ballgame.

IMO, if Haeger does well KW should trade him asap for a reliever. If for some reason Contreras ends up having to sit out longer than expected I'd rather see McCarthy starting and another guy in the pen. And if Contreras comes back healthy, dominant, and soon, I'd still rather see another guy in the pen.

sodfatherjunior
05-10-2006, 03:01 AM
I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Contreras, worst case scenario he misses 3 starts. Haeger seems to be 0k and if he's real good like everyone says he is he'd be a great bullpen option if Boone's Farm Logan is struggling, although I'm not sure what they want with righty's and lefty's. But if Boone struggles and what not, worst case scenario we have an even better bullpen than we already have now.

stl_sox_fan
05-10-2006, 10:30 AM
So who has more experience catching knucklers if any? AJ or Widger? Will they have to helicopter Mirabelli in from Boston?

Better have Krystal in the limo ride from O'hare!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:XcB72j75_eTnBM:i.esmas.com/image/0/000/003/905/DougMirabelli_N.jpg

cleanwsox
05-10-2006, 10:32 AM
So who has more experience catching knucklers if any? AJ or Widger? Will they have to helicopter Mirabelli in from Boston?

Better have Krystal in the limo ride from O'hare!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:XcB72j75_eTnBM:i.esmas.com/image/0/000/003/905/DougMirabelli_N.jpg


Our minor league catchers probably have more experience than AJ or Widge.

credefan24
05-10-2006, 10:48 AM
I have a question. Everyone on the radio and newspaper is saying that BMac is not "stretched out" enough to start. What exactly does that mean? Just that he doesn't have the stamina to start a game and go 6,7,8 innings?
I've never heard that term, and was wondering what it meant.

Thanks,

Josh

shes
05-10-2006, 10:48 AM
So, Charlie Haeger: great young pitcher, or the greatest young pitcher?

SOecks
05-10-2006, 10:57 AM
Can you imagine facing Haeger and then Jenks in consecutive at bats? A nightmare scenario to be sure.

I was just thinking the same thing. Pull a McCarthy with him because there's no room the next couple of years and completely whack out every hitter by going from a knuckleballer to Jenks' 99mph heat. COOL.

Minnie Me
05-10-2006, 11:10 AM
I hope not. Knuckleballers still scare me, and I wouldn't trust one with the game on the line. I'd hate to see a theme of leadoff walks in the 8th inning of a ballgame.

IMO, if Haeger does well KW should trade him asap for a reliever. If for some reason Contreras ends up having to sit out longer than expected I'd rather see McCarthy starting and another guy in the pen. And if Contreras comes back healthy, dominant, and soon, I'd still rather see another guy in the pen.

Be very afraid. Where is Danny Wright when we need him?

SkeetSkeetAmit
05-10-2006, 12:23 PM
So, Charlie Haeger: great young pitcher, or the greatest young pitcher?


Somebody watches the Colbert Report!!! :smile:

Lip Man 1
05-10-2006, 12:28 PM
It means he's not ready to throw 5, 6 or 7 innings because he hasn't been asked to do that in spring training or so far in the regular season. You need to build up your stamina.

Lip

viagracat
05-10-2006, 01:37 PM
My favorite Sox pitcher in the '60s was Hoyt Wilhelm. He got better every year he was with the Sox.