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rookieroy
05-07-2006, 11:10 PM
I took my family to the game today and my kids wanted to get in line for Contreras, Cotts and Cooper. Well, we did that and as were waiting, some of the players are playing catch on the field. Some around us said it appeared that Jose may have hurt himself in doing so. I didn't actually see it, but, I did see him limping to the dugout pretty bad. Of course he didn't come out to sign autographs and neither did Cooper until 20 minutes later. Did anyone else see this? I've looked online and can't find any mention of it anywhere. Let's hope he's o.k.! :(:

Brian26
05-08-2006, 12:18 AM
I took my family to the game today and my kids wanted to get in line for Contreras, Cotts and Cooper. Well, we did that and as were waiting, some of the players are playing catch on the field. Some around us said it appeared that Jose may have hurt himself in doing so. I didn't actually see it, but, I did see him limping to the dugout pretty bad. Of course he didn't come out to sign autographs and neither did Cooper until 20 minutes later. Did anyone else see this? I've looked online and can't find any mention of it anywhere. Let's hope he's o.k.! :(:

He hurt his leg by playing pregame soft-toss on a totally dry field? Hmmm.

rookieroy
05-08-2006, 12:42 AM
He hurt his leg by playing pregame soft-toss on a totally dry field? Hmmm.

They were playing long toss. They start short and keep moving back. It was well over 60 feet. I noticed Thorton and McCarthy were doing the same. The guy in front of me said that it looked like Jose jumped to catch one over his head. It was weird. I've never really noticed a bunch of pitchers playing long toss before a game like that. We knew right away that Jose wouldn't come out to sign for the kids seeing the way he was limping to the dugout. Cooper did say that Jose wasn't coming out to sign autographs but didn't say why. We saw why. Let's just hope it's nothing.

MERPER
05-08-2006, 01:08 AM
I feel as though someone would have already reported this if there was a legit problem.... maybe he stubbed a toe or something, but with the way he's been pitching, if he were seriously injured I feel like it would be all over the news by now!

chisoxfanatic
05-08-2006, 01:10 AM
That, and he isn't scheduled to pitch again until Wednesday, giving him ample time to rest.

SkeetSkeetAmit
05-08-2006, 01:22 AM
I thought I saw him in the dugout at some point during the game being his old happy self sitting around. Maybe when Crede went into the dugout after the fake homerun. I could be wrong though.

JohnBasedowYoda
05-08-2006, 01:35 AM
I feel as though someone would have already reported this if there was a legit problem.... maybe he stubbed a toe or something, but with the way he's been pitching, if he were seriously injured I feel like it would be all over the news by now!

If this was true I don't think KW and Oz would hold a pres conference and tell everyone our Ace jazzed himself up while hopping around.

Let's see what this week brings too us though...

Dick Allen
05-08-2006, 01:36 PM
I feel as though someone would have already reported this if there was a legit problem.... maybe he stubbed a toe or something, but with the way he's been pitching, if he were seriously injured I feel like it would be all over the news by now!We're talking about the Chicago media here. They were too busy fawning over Carrie Wood's low minors appearance to be bothered with JC.

MERPER
05-08-2006, 04:09 PM
We're talking about the Chicago media here. They were too busy fawning over Carrie Wood's low minors appearance to be bothered with JC.

Exactly, the Chicago media, mainly the Chicago Tribune... which would crave any story that is bad for the Sox right now... What would be a better story than one about the White Sox best pitcher being hurt?

hawkjt
05-08-2006, 06:25 PM
Came up with a sore hip after Sat. side session. Had an MRI and will go DL. haeger coming up and will start Wed.

This sucks but thankfully the sox have reserve starting pitching.

Berkules
05-08-2006, 06:26 PM
poo. ive been so looking forward to 6-0 with 1.26

white sox bill
05-08-2006, 06:27 PM
Came up with a sore hip after Sat. side session. Had an MRI and will go DL. haeger coming up and will start Wed.

This sucks but thankfully the sox have reserve starting pitching.
:(:

cbotnyse
05-08-2006, 06:27 PM
very bad news :angry: :o:

ChiSoxRowand
05-08-2006, 06:27 PM
Hopefully we have somebody who can catch haegar. Why not McCarthy.

samram
05-08-2006, 06:28 PM
Just heard it on the Score.

Damnit. Well, this is why they have McCarthy.

peeonwrigley
05-08-2006, 06:28 PM
Well, well, well. Jose to the 15 day DL.

Per WSCR.

Dan Mega
05-08-2006, 06:28 PM
My roommate just called me to tell me this. The dark clouds will begin rolling in now.

peeonwrigley
05-08-2006, 06:29 PM
Just heard it on the Score.

Damnit. Well, this is why they have McCarthy.

IMO McCarthy is playing too important a role in the pen because he is versitile as a big out/long relief guy.

I agree with bringing up a minor leaguer to fill in the spot starts.

Berkules
05-08-2006, 06:29 PM
My roommate just called me to tell me this. The dark clouds will begin rolling in now.

negative ghostrider, the rotation is full...mccarthy baby!

DeadMoney
05-08-2006, 06:31 PM
The thought that they are bringing up Haeger makes me think that it's minor and precautionary. Otherwise, they would start McCarthy and send Haeger to the pen in back-up of McCarthy because his arm isn't stretched out for long inning work. We'll see what this means, but it's just one starter and hopefully he'll be fine. We couldn't expect 2006 to go as well as 2005, with only having 6 starters take the mound the entire year. At least it's May and not September or October that this is taking place.

WSox8404
05-08-2006, 06:33 PM
15 Day DL. Where in God's name did this come from?

samram
05-08-2006, 06:33 PM
IMO McCarthy is playing too important a role in the pen because he is versitile as a big out/long relief guy.

I agree with bringing up a minor leaguer to fill in the spot starts.

Well, it may be a good sign they brought up a starter- if it was going to be longer term, they may have brought up a reliever and moved McCarthy into the rotation, but if it's only a couple of weeks, they wouldn't want to upset the bullpen.

WSox8404
05-08-2006, 06:35 PM
Being only the 15 day DL he will miss three starts including one against the Cubs. Damnit. I was really hoping to see him throw against them and completely shut them down. Oh well, as long as it is only 15 days.

KRS1
05-08-2006, 06:36 PM
Maybe we can get McCarthy stretched out in time for his next start, so we only have to use Haeger for one game.

chisoxfanatic
05-08-2006, 06:37 PM
haeger coming up and will start Wed.

This sucks but thankfully the sox have reserve starting pitching.

And, thankfully the Sox are gonna be playing the Angels, who aren't hitting well lately (and Erstad's on the DL right now). Jose will miss 3 starts at most here. With the way our offense is hitting, we'll be fine!

MrRoboto83
05-08-2006, 06:39 PM
I'm sure they are bringing him up also since the Sox have to play 16 games before the next off day, they need the 5 man rotation for sure.

HotelWhiteSox
05-08-2006, 06:40 PM
**** , I know Haegar had good minor league numbers, but I hate knuckleballers, free bases

patbooyah
05-08-2006, 06:41 PM
on the one hand, this sucks and i am very sad to see contreras go down like this.

on the other hand, i am excited to see haeger pitch. he has a .45 ERA in 40 innings in AAA ball. Hopefully his success translates.

Ol' No. 2
05-08-2006, 06:42 PM
Being only the 15 day DL he will miss three starts including one against the Cubs. Damnit. I was really hoping to see him throw against them and completely shut them down. Oh well, as long as it is only 15 days.They'll make it retroactive to his last start, so he'll only miss two starts. Who gives a rat's ass about the Cubs? The upcoming games against the Angels and Twins are far more important.

PaulDrake
05-08-2006, 06:44 PM
Injuries happen, they've been part of the game forever. The Sox can overcome this. No dark clouds here.

Berkules
05-08-2006, 06:46 PM
Injuries happen, they've been part of the game forever. The Sox can overcome this. No dark clouds here.

Confident Sox fans? This millenium is really turnin out to be a good one!

SouthSide_HitMen
05-08-2006, 06:46 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70916

Too bad this didn't turn out to be an airport screener rumor. :(:

That said I'm glad this happened in May and not in September.

If he misses 2 or 3 starts we should be fine.

itsnotrequired
05-08-2006, 06:46 PM
They'll make it retroactive to his last start, so he'll only miss two starts. Who gives a rat's ass about the Cubs? The upcoming games against the Angels and Twins are far more important.

In fact, I would love to see a AAA callup beat up on the Cubs.:cool:

Two starts missed, no biggie. I just hope he keeps the magic flowing.

viagracat
05-08-2006, 06:47 PM
If any team has the pitching depth to weather this, it's the Sox. It's good to be king.

JGarlandrules20
05-08-2006, 06:49 PM
Ahhh, man. I'm going to this game. I really wanted to see Jose pitch. I don't want to see a knuckle ball blow out. :(:

Why can't McCarthy just start?

drewcifer
05-08-2006, 06:50 PM
Stay positive. Let's see how this kid does.

Also, it appears that KW/Ozzie are just being conservative. If there's a problem with JC, better to find out about it now (In May, while ahead of the pack), then later on.

Any other details anywhere? I'm coming up craps finding news on the net....

WSox8404
05-08-2006, 06:51 PM
They'll make it retroactive to his last start, so he'll only miss two starts. Who gives a rat's ass about the Cubs? The upcoming games against the Angels and Twins are far more important.

I totally forgot about the retroactive deal. So two starts isn't so bad. Nothing really. As long as it is a one time deal. I hope this is nothing that will keep coming back.

patbooyah
05-08-2006, 06:51 PM
They'll make it retroactive to his last start, so he'll only miss two starts.

is this official? is there any word on what the actual injury is? i hope this isn't a 15 day DL stint that ends up being closer to 30 days. :(:

chisoxfanatic
05-08-2006, 06:52 PM
Guys, we also have to remember that we have Herm Schneider working with him. Hermie is the greatest trainer in the game and will have Jose back in ship-shape condition.

MarySwiss
05-08-2006, 06:57 PM
Haeger looked good in spring training. He's a good call-up. And as another poster said, isn't it better to see JC go down in May than in September?

veeter
05-08-2006, 06:57 PM
Assuming this is only a two start lay off, I really look forward to seeing how a great team responds to adversity. Injuries are no excuse and they will show why.

viagracat
05-08-2006, 06:58 PM
Haeger is 3-0 with an 0.68 ERA. 10 ERs in 40 innings pitched. Very impressive. I was going to say give McCarthy a couple starts, but maybe this is the way to go...

oeo
05-08-2006, 07:00 PM
Being only the 15 day DL he will miss three starts including one against the Cubs. Damnit. I was really hoping to see him throw against them and completely shut them down. Oh well, as long as it is only 15 days.

Once again, who cares about the Flubs? It's just another series, and besides, that team is weak, and we can beat them Jose or no Jose.

Sucks that once everything starts coming together for him, this happens. :(:

Get healthy Jose, we need you down the stretch.

WSox8404
05-08-2006, 07:01 PM
Haeger is 3-0 with an 0.68 ERA. 10 ERs in 40 innings pitched. Very impressive. I was going to say give McCarthy a couple starts, but maybe this is the way to go...

That would be a 2.25 ERA with those stats but yes he has been doing good. 3 earned runs according to my calculations.

dcb56
05-08-2006, 07:09 PM
In fact, I would love to see a AAA callup beat up on the Cubs.:cool:



Shouldn't be too difficult. The Cubs offense, which ranks at or near the bottom of the awful National League in nearly every offensive stat category, looks like it belongs in AAA, so that matchup should at worst be fairly even.:D:

Berkules
05-08-2006, 07:13 PM
That would be a 2.25 ERA with those stats but yes he has been doing good. 3 earned runs according to my calculations.
Aye, that's 3 ER (7 unearned) 0.68 ERA 3-0 with 31 Ks and 20 walks in 40 innings.

Let's see what he's got.

DaveIsHere
05-08-2006, 07:14 PM
His Hip no Biggie.....It could be shoulder then i would be concerned. Let the Old man get some rest:D:

HomeFish
05-08-2006, 07:16 PM
15 day DL doesn't mean he's back after 15. They can put him on the DL again after 15 days are up if it is worse than they're letting out, can they not?

itsnotrequired
05-08-2006, 07:17 PM
15 day DL doesn't mean he's back after 15. They can put him on the DL again after 15 days are up if it is worse than they're letting out, can they not?

Maybe he's actually dead and the Sox are just stringing us along.

:rolleyes:

Berkules
05-08-2006, 07:17 PM
we could always call up nomo!

rookieroy
05-08-2006, 07:21 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70916

Too bad this didn't turn out to be an airport screener rumor. :(:

That said I'm glad this happened in May and not in September.

If he misses 2 or 3 starts we should be fine.

I wish I were an airport screener in this case. It really sucked to see him limping like that. I'm really surprised nobody in the media or other WSI'ers saw this happen yesterday. There was well over 5000 fans in the lower bowl at that point. O.k maybe in the media I'm not surprised. Get well soon Jose!

KRS1
05-08-2006, 07:21 PM
we could always call up nomo!


That's not even funny.

DickAllen72
05-08-2006, 07:29 PM
Hopefully we have somebody who can catch haegar. Why not McCarthy.

McCarthy would have a hard time catching the knuckleball. :tongue:

flo-B-flo
05-08-2006, 07:31 PM
Watching sportsnite right now. Like was written at least it's now and not In September.

MERPER
05-08-2006, 07:41 PM
I have a buddy interning at the Score right now... he just talked to Ozzie and KW about it.. he said they don't seem worried.. basically Jose is complaining of slight discomfort in his hip that he is getting from the torque he creates when he throws... knowing the season is a marathon and not a sprint, they want to rest him now instead of it getting worse and possibly causing arm problems down the stretch and into the playoffs...

Brandon McCarthy will take his place in the rotation (boy it's great to have insurance)... Charles Haeger will take McCarthy's spot in the bullpen...

NSSoxFan
05-08-2006, 07:44 PM
15 day DL doesn't mean he's back after 15. They can put him on the DL again after 15 days are up if it is worse than they're letting out, can they not?

I think we all know what HomeFish hopes happens.

DeadMoney
05-08-2006, 07:45 PM
15 day DL doesn't mean he's back after 15. They can put him on the DL again after 15 days are up if it is worse than they're letting out, can they not?

:rolleyes:

Yes, he needs hip replacement surgery and his career is over!

No matter what happens, it will be fine. This team is great and as great teams normally do, they'll play through the injury troubles. I seem to remember a certain number thirty-five being hurt last year, and what happened? And for what it's worth, that same guy could've also been called one of the most important pieces of the team going into that season.

Dat Funky Motion
05-08-2006, 07:45 PM
They just said BACK,not Hip on the radio.

MERPER
05-08-2006, 07:45 PM
My understanding is McCarthy will start and Haeger will go to bullpen

champagne030
05-08-2006, 07:48 PM
I wish I were an airport screener in this case. It really sucked to see him limping like that. I'm really surprised nobody in the media or other WSI'ers saw this happen yesterday. There was well over 5000 fans in the lower bowl at that point. O.k maybe in the media I'm not surprised. Get well soon Jose!

This would contradict Levinline's report that he hurt it during a side session on Saturday. I cannot believe Bruce was wrong. It's hard to make predictions about how the serious the injury is until the Sox make a statement.

Dat Funky Motion
05-08-2006, 07:49 PM
My understanding is McCarthy will start and Haeger will go to bullpen

McCarthy is not stretched out,and just pitched Sat and Sun.

DickAllen72
05-08-2006, 07:50 PM
My understanding is McCarthy will start and Haeger will go to bullpen

Where did you hear that? Everything I've been reading/hearing has Haeger starting. :?:

tick53
05-08-2006, 07:51 PM
Just heard about it on Trib Live. Hope he only misses one game. I want to see him go against the Cubs:(:

Berkules
05-08-2006, 07:54 PM
It's hard to make predictions about how the serious the injury is until the Sox make a statement.[/COLOR]

Contreras's daughters are going to start instead and Haeger is going to become the closer. Jenks is going to play right and bat 5th in Dye's spot. Pods is going to catch and instead of throwing out runners he himself will run down to second and tag them out. AJ and Widger are going to be our setup guys and McCarthy is gonna play rover as our 10th fielder.

White Sox just said so...blew my mind :gulp:

DickAllen72
05-08-2006, 07:54 PM
Just heard about it on Trib Live. Hope he only misses one game. I want to see him go against the Cubs:(:

He has to miss at least TWO games, Wednesday, and Monday the 15th.

He could be back to pitch saturday, May 20th against the sCrubs.

QCIASOXFAN
05-08-2006, 07:58 PM
I just heard on Sportsnite that the decision has not been made yet.

BeviBall!
05-08-2006, 07:59 PM
Guys, he's not even on the DL yet. Lets wait until tomorrow when we know something official. They said on CSN that it's a hip injury that is affecting his back, causing him to limp. This could just be a hitch in his giddyup and he only misses one start.

DeadMoney
05-08-2006, 08:00 PM
I want to see him go against the Cubs:(:

IMO, I would rather that he be ABSOLUTELY 100% before the Sox rush him back on exactly 15 days to face a team that will struggle to be .500 this year. We need him for later in the season, we don't need him for a out-of-division start on May 20. And plus, they play Cleveland and Detroit a collective 10 times between May 29 and June 11. I would make sure he's absolutely healthy for that.

sullythered
05-08-2006, 08:09 PM
Guys, he's not even on the DL yet. Lets wait until tomorrow when we know something official. They said on CSN that it's a hip injury that is affecting his back, causing him to limp. This could just be a hitch in his giddyup and he only misses one start.


Yeah, Trib Live just said that he could just miss 1 game, so it can't be DL yet.

Realist
05-08-2006, 08:21 PM
A knuckleballer against the Cubs with the way they're hitting? I think I smell a big post game show.

chisoxmike
05-08-2006, 08:24 PM
:o:

I NEVER believe it when they say 15 days. Its usually more than that. That being said, regardless of having McCarthy...this sucks. I hope the Sox don't rush him back and that Jose is 100% when he comes back and this won't become a regular thing this year. Like with El Duque...

Tragg
05-08-2006, 08:28 PM
Came up with a sore hip after Sat. side session. Had an MRI and will go DL. haeger coming up and will start Wed.

This sucks but thankfully the sox have reserve starting pitching.
Why not McCarthy?
is Haegar ready? Randar, or other experts?

KRS1
05-08-2006, 08:40 PM
Why not McCarthy?
is Haegar ready? Randar, or other experts?
The obvious answer is that Brandon is not stretched out enough, and has worked too recently to be expected to start Wed. Like I said earlier, maybe he can work himself to be ready for Joses' next slot, but that is pretty unlikely. Despite what I just said, I still feel Brandon wouldnt have much trouble, if any, moving to a starters role this week had he not worked twice this last weekend. Our coaches probably dont want to make a bad situation worse by rushing one of our most reliable bullpen workers, and most promising young arm into a situation he isnt ready for. It is not a bad decision, as Chuck is probably going to give us the best chance of all our available, and starting ready options.

MERPER
05-08-2006, 08:41 PM
I understand McCarthy pitched Saturday and Sunday.. he maybe threw 25 pitches total... and then would get Monday and Tuesday off completely... We kept McCarthy up at the big league level so that he could fill in should a starter go down... I believe he will start and Haeger will go to the bullpen to avoid a rookie starting a game ala Felix Diaz or Arnie Munoz

KRS1
05-08-2006, 08:46 PM
I understand McCarthy pitched Saturday and Sunday.. he maybe threw 25 pitches total... and then would get Monday and Tuesday off completely... We kept McCarthy up at the big league level so that he could fill in should a starter go down... I believe he will start and Haeger will go to the bullpen to avoid a rookie starting a game ala Felix Diaz or Arnie Munoz
I think we start Haeger Wednesday,and McCarthy piggybacks to stretch out, then maybe switch it up the next time through.

iamkoza
05-08-2006, 08:49 PM
Being only the 15 day DL he will miss three starts including one against the Cubs. Damnit. I was really hoping to see him throw against them and completely shut them down. Oh well, as long as it is only 15 days.

it's not retroactive to some day?

MERPER
05-08-2006, 08:53 PM
I think we start Haeger Wednesday,and McCarthy piggybacks to stretch out, then maybe switch it up the next time through.

By letting Haeger start Wednesday and letting McCarthy "piggyback" you would essentially be losing a bullpen arm for a few games, wouldn't you? The beauty of placing Haeger in the bullpen immediately is that a knuckleballer can throw basically everyday for as long as you need him to...

KRS1
05-08-2006, 08:58 PM
By letting Haeger start Wednesday and letting McCarthy "piggyback" you would essentially be losing a bullpen arm for a few games, wouldn't you? The beauty of placing Haeger in the bullpen immediately is that a knuckleballer can throw basically everyday for as long as you need him to...

I would tend to think the fact that Chuck is a knuckleballer, would mean he could come in and toss a couple innings any day of the week. Also, even though Brandon didnt throw an entire games worth of pitches in those two games, he still pitched at maximum effort those two days. He needs rest from those days in order to be able to pitch 5+ innings, and our coaches most likely believe he needs some time after that to work his way into starters shape(although like I said, I think he could jump into that role right away if he was rested).

1917
05-08-2006, 09:00 PM
There isn't a word of the this on the Sox Web site....They still have him as the pitcher on Wed....this will probably be just one start

peeonwrigley
05-08-2006, 09:00 PM
I don't like the idea of messing with McCarthy assuming this is a short-term injury. He is way too valuable out of the pen. The Sox are best off bringing up a minor league arm and allowing McCarthy to maintain his current role.

If it was a long-term situation, then that's another story.

kittle42
05-08-2006, 09:01 PM
15 day DL doesn't mean he's back after 15. They can put him on the DL again after 15 days are up if it is worse than they're letting out, can they not?

Damnit, HomeFish, what the hell is wrong with you? :?:

Ol' No. 2
05-08-2006, 09:05 PM
I would tend to think the fact that Chuck is a knuckleballer, would mean he could come in and toss a couple innings any day of the week. Also, even though Brandon didnt throw an entire games worth of pitches in those two games, he still pitched at maximum effort those two days. He needs rest from those days in order to be able to pitch 5+ innings, and our coaches most likely believe he needs some time after that to work his way into starters shape(although like I said, I think he could jump into that role right away if he was rested).McCarthy threw only 10 pitches on Saturday and 5 on Sunday. Before that he hadn't pitched since May 1. I don't think rest is the issue. He's just not stretched out to go 5+ innings. But that doesn't mean he can't throw 3 or 4 and let the BP take over, especially if Garcia manages to go deep tomorrow and the BP is fairly fresh.

The whole logic of keeping FOB in the pen is as a backup in case one of the starters went down. It makes no sense to me not to start him.

buehrle4cy05
05-08-2006, 09:06 PM
There isn't a word of the this on the Sox Web site....They still have him as the pitcher on Wed....this will probably be just one start

Exactly. Nowhere on the MLB site, Sox site, or ESPN site is Jose mentioned.

DickAllen72
05-08-2006, 09:07 PM
There isn't a word of the this on the Sox Web site....They still have him as the pitcher on Wed....this will probably be just one start

If it's just one start, they can't bring up Haeger unless they option someone down.

mantis1212
05-08-2006, 09:08 PM
If they're not sure about this injury yet, couldn't they just bump up Garland to Wednesday with today being an off day?

This way they have until Sunday morning to see what's up, then DL him if necessary (retroactively if necessary)

Viva Medias B's
05-08-2006, 09:09 PM
There was no reference to this on the ESPN bottomline nor was it mentioned in the Score's 8:00 update. Meanwhile, Laurence Holmes is talking about the Cubs. If Contreras was DL-bound, wouldn't this supplant the Cubs talk on the White Sox' flagship station?

elrod
05-08-2006, 09:10 PM
Tribune site says Jose felt much better today and doesn't think he'll need to go on the DL.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060508soxcontreras,1,6516060.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed

They'll figure it out tomorrow.

KRS1
05-08-2006, 09:10 PM
If they're not sure about this injury yet, couldn't they just bump up Garland to Wednesday with today being an off day?

This way they have until Sunday morning to see what's up, then DL him if necessary (retroactively if necessary)

Very good point, Im surprised this hasnt been brought up yet.

1917
05-08-2006, 09:14 PM
Exactly. Nowhere on the MLB site, Sox site, or ESPN site is Jose mentioned.

He is on my Fatasy Team...CBS sportsline is normally pretty quick on giving the Medical updates, not a word on this....I mean i know this isn't another "We got Griffy for Konerko" rumor, but the 15 day DL is a stretch....and if they were calling up Haeger, it would at least be on Sox.com

elrod
05-08-2006, 09:15 PM
The Tribune article was posted 15 minutes ago.

JUribe1989
05-08-2006, 09:16 PM
It would be such an unbelievably terrible idea to pitch Haeger in starts instead of McCarthy. I don't know how anyone could think of that. McCarthy's job is to be the sixth starter.

JUribe1989
05-08-2006, 09:19 PM
Wouldn't it make sense to just pitch McCarthy in Contreras' spot for one start so you don't have to place anyone on the DL.

Brian26
05-08-2006, 09:24 PM
Haeger is 3-0 with an 0.68 ERA. 10 ERs in 40 innings pitched. Very impressive. I was going to say give McCarthy a couple starts, but maybe this is the way to go...

I remember Arnie Munoz and Felix Diaz putting up some impressive numbers on the farm too....before the Montreal Expos lit them up for 14 runs a piece.

Ol' No. 2
05-08-2006, 09:24 PM
Wouldn't it make sense to just pitch McCarthy in Contreras' spot for one start so you don't have to place anyone on the DL.That's one of many options. Moving up the rest of the rotation a day is another - then they wouldn't have to make a move until Saturday. My guess is they're taking it day-to-day.

santo=dorf
05-08-2006, 09:25 PM
It would be such an unbelievably terrible idea to pitch Haeger in starts instead of McCarthy. I don't know how anyone could think of that. McCarthy's job is to be the sixth starter.

....and how well do you expect McCarthy to start on 2 days rest?

I'm guessing it would be "unbelievably terrible."

santo=dorf
05-08-2006, 09:28 PM
I remember Arnie Munoz and Felix Diaz putting up some impressive numbers on the farm too....before the Montreal Expos lit them up for 14 runs a piece.
:?:
Only Munoz got rocked against the Expos (a night after Buehrle did,) and his numbers at AA (pitcher's park) were nowhere near as impressive as Haeger's.

I also seem to recall Diaz giving us 6 quality innings against the scrubs in an emergency situation.

UofCSoxFan
05-08-2006, 09:36 PM
I'm glad the Sox are being precautionary on this. From the Trib.com article on this it sounds like its not a huge concern. Better to get this fixed now, that for Jose to change his mechanics as a result and blow out an elbow or something.

When your team is rolling, you can afford to error on the side of caution.

MERPER
05-08-2006, 09:38 PM
According to the new story on Chicagosports.com (Tribune's site)... Jose came in today feeling fine and it will depend on how he feels tomorrow to see if he will pitch Wednesday or go on the DL...

Either way I have full confidence the right decision will be made... KW, Ozzie and Coop know that this is a marathon not a sprint and pitchers tend to compensate for injuries by putting added strain on their arm (elbow and shoulder).... I wouldn't want to see Jose be shelved in September with arm issues

Furthermore, how deep is this franchise? We have a legit phenom starter just waiting to fill in and a kid like Haeger to fill in with either spot starts or bullpen work... Nobody seems to be able to hit his knuckleball...

I love KW and the professional nature of this team.... how many other teams in baseball don't really have to worry about an injury to their ace?

Ol' No. 2
05-08-2006, 09:41 PM
According to the new story on Chicagosports.com (Tribune's site)... Jose came in today feeling fine and it will depend on how he feels tomorrow to see if he will pitch Wednesday or go on the DL...

Either way I have full confidence the right decision will be made... KW, Ozzie and Coop know that this is a marathon not a sprint and pitchers tend to compensate for injuries by putting added strain on their arm (elbow and shoulder).... I wouldn't want to see Jose be shelved in September with arm issues

Furthermore, how deep is this franchise? We have a legit phenom starter just waiting to fill in and a kid like Haeger to fill in with either spot starts or bullpen work... Nobody seems to be able to hit his knuckleball...

I love KW and the professional nature of this team.... how many other teams in baseball don't really have to worry about an injury to their ace?http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060507cubswood,1,2704527.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

SOXSINCE'70
05-08-2006, 09:44 PM
(and Erstad's on the DL right now)

So is FatAss Colon.The Sox are catching the Halos at a very good time.:D:
Contreras being on the 15 day DL,however,is very disheartening.:(:
I'm glad KW has pitching in reserve.I hope Haeger can hold his
own up here in the bigs.Get better,Jose.You'll be needed many
more times this season.Onto bigger and better things,like a
10 or 11 game Sox winning streak!!:bandance:

JUribe1989
05-08-2006, 09:46 PM
....and how well do you expect McCarthy to start on 2 days rest?

I'm guessing it would be "unbelievably terrible."

McCarthy pitched for one out on Sunday and for only 3 on Saturday night. That's 1.1 IP. I don't think he would have any problem pitching 6 innings on Wednesday.

Ol' No. 2
05-08-2006, 09:54 PM
McCarthy pitched for one out on Sunday and for only 3 on Saturday night. That's 1.1 IP. I don't think he would have any problem pitching 6 innings on Wednesday.15 total pitches. I don't think fatigue is the issue. Besides, they could move up the rotation and he wouldn't really have to pitch until Saturday. He's just not stretched out enough to go 6 innings. He'd probably be on a strict pitch count of 50-60 pitches, and that means the BP gets a lot of work. With no off day for more than 2 weeks, that could pose a problem.

My guess is if it's only one start they try to muddle through without a call-up.

Hitmen77
05-08-2006, 09:57 PM
There was no reference to this on the ESPN bottomline nor was it mentioned in the Score's 8:00 update. Meanwhile, Laurence Holmes is talking about the Cubs. If Contreras was DL-bound, wouldn't this supplant the Cubs talk on the White Sox' flagship station?

I wouldn't count on it.

BeviBall!
05-08-2006, 10:02 PM
McCarthy pitched for one out on Sunday and for only 3 on Saturday night. That's 1.1 IP. I don't think he would have any problem pitching 6 innings on Wednesday.
There's warmups involved as well. He's not conditioned to start a game... he's not stretched out. Calling up Haegar, if Jose can't go, makes perfect sense.

Brian26
05-08-2006, 10:05 PM
:?:
Only Munoz got rocked against the Expos

My mistake. Diaz got rocked by the Indians for 7 runs in 2.1 IP. 8/9/04

goon
05-08-2006, 10:08 PM
regardless of how jose felt today, if cooper said he was in that much pain on sunday, it might be smart to skip him in the rotation, or just let him get some rest on the DL and see what this haeger kid has.

he pitched okay in spring training, but those numbers he has been putting up for the knights are loco.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-08-2006, 10:09 PM
I wish I were an airport screener in this case. It really sucked to see him limping like that. I'm really surprised nobody in the media or other WSI'ers saw this happen yesterday. There was well over 5000 fans in the lower bowl at that point. O.k maybe in the media I'm not surprised. Get well soon Jose!

I am also never surprised about the lack of effort or initiative by the media in general. If it is not handed to them on a silver platter (i.e. a press release) it goes unreported. It must be hard to do your job when you are stuffing down Levy's caterred food before the game. :redneck

Thank you for your scoop :worship: rookieroy. This is the reason we all turn to WSI - To learn about all things White Sox well before the press (and ballclub) reports it to all White Sox Army Battalions.

whitesoxfan
05-08-2006, 10:11 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing Haeger in action. The guy has been lights out at Charlotte and I can't wait to see what he'll bring up here.

here's to a speedy healing for Jose. Like some of you have mentioned, at least it happened in May instead of September. We'll be alright :smile:

champagne030
05-08-2006, 10:19 PM
McCarthy threw only 10 pitches on Saturday and 5 on Sunday. Before that he hadn't pitched since May 1. I don't think rest is the issue. He's just not stretched out to go 5+ innings. But that doesn't mean he can't throw 3 or 4 and let the BP take over, especially if Garcia manages to go deep tomorrow and the BP is fairly fresh.

The whole logic of keeping FOB in the pen is as a backup in case one of the starters went down. It makes no sense to me not to start him.

Why blow out the BP for 1 start? BEMAC could go 5 at best. Let the rookie go and have BEMAC ready in relief. I'd rather skip his spot and pitch everyone else on their normal rest if it's only going to be a 'couple of day' thing (which I noticed you suggested to push the starter up in a later post) and see what the status is come Friday. The only negative to that is making a rookie make his debut in the twinkie dome.

elrod
05-08-2006, 10:28 PM
Why is everybody convinced Jose's going on the DL? It was his hip, not his arm or shoulder. This reminds me of Buehrle at the beginning of 2005 when everybody was convinced he was going to be out 6 weeks. Let's just wait and see what the situation is. Maybe he will go on the DL, but there's a good chance he won't. I don't think the media is "hiding" anything. In fact, I'd rather the rumor-mongering and speculation kept to a minimum.

Ishmookie
05-08-2006, 10:35 PM
Maybe theyre showcasing Haeger and giving Jose a little time to rest. Philly needs pitching...and we have Haeger...so maybe this will help us get A-row back if Charlie pitches well.

ilsox7
05-08-2006, 10:39 PM
Maybe theyre showcasing Haeger and giving Jose a little time to rest. Philly needs pitching...and we have Haeger...so maybe this will help us get A-row back if Charlie pitches well.

:rolling:

samram
05-08-2006, 10:40 PM
Maybe theyre showcasing Haeger and giving Jose a little time to rest. Philly needs pitching...and we have Haeger...so maybe this will help us get A-row back if Charlie pitches well.

:rolleyes:

So now it's just a ploy to get Rowand back? I should have known all along!!

IlliniSox4Life
05-08-2006, 10:55 PM
I have a question as far as it being for only one start and calling Haegar up. If they didn't want to put Contreras on the DL, would they be able to send someone else down just for the day (say Anderson), start Mack in CF and then after Haegar pitches, send him back down and call BA back up?

thomas35forever
05-08-2006, 11:30 PM
I'm not too worried right now. We gotta give this kid a chance. If it doesn't work, we can always go back to McCarthy.

spiffie
05-08-2006, 11:48 PM
FWIW, they have a link up on Whitesox.com finally. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060508&content_id=1444108&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

mbwhitesox
05-09-2006, 12:31 AM
Contreras's daughters are going to start instead and Haeger is going to become the closer. Jenks is going to play right and bat 5th in Dye's spot. Pods is going to catch and instead of throwing out runners he himself will run down to second and tag them out. AJ and Widger are going to be our setup guys and McCarthy is gonna play rover as our 10th fielder.

White Sox just said so...blew my mind :gulp:

:jerry

"Heyyyy...not a bad idea...I like it!"



:)

kittle42
05-09-2006, 12:44 AM
Maybe theyre showcasing Haeger and giving Jose a little time to rest. Philly needs pitching...and we have Haeger...so maybe this will help us get A-row back if Charlie pitches well.

No.

CLR01
05-09-2006, 12:47 AM
Maybe theyre showcasing Haeger and giving Jose a little time to rest. Philly needs pitching...and we have Haeger...so maybe this will help us get A-row back if Charlie pitches well.


Rowand is gone. Time to move on.

KRS1
05-09-2006, 12:56 AM
Why is everybody convinced Jose's going on the DL? It was his hip, not his arm or shoulder.


As anyone who has ever taken a pitching lesson in his life, or just studied the art of throwing the baseball, the trunk of your body is extremely important to the pitchers entire motion. Every little thing must be working together in order for a pitcher to have his best stuff, and often when the little things are instable, a pitcher overcompensates and concentrates his effort into another area causing injuries and stress. It is just a hip, or back, and while you cant throw without an arm, you cant pitch at a high level without a stable midsection.

Lip Man 1
05-09-2006, 01:18 AM
Gang:

I saw Jose today in Chicago. That's right my wife and I just got back to Idaho this evening after five days in the city. (PHG can vouch for this...)

I'll do a story for the site on it...but regarding Jose.

My wife and I were in the lobby of the Westin Hotel at 909 N. Michigan Avenue. It was a few minutes before two. I saw an athletic looking guy come in talking on his cell phone. He was bald, had an orange shirt on, tan pants and had a gold necklace with the #52 on it. That's how I knew it was him.

He and a friend (perhaps his male assistant) got into one of the elevators and went upstairs. I did not see him come down before we left at 2:30 when our van came to take us to O'Hare.

My point was if Jose is hurt, I couldn't detect it. He had a smile on his face and was walking normally. I was shocked reading the story on this in the Tribune under the circumstances.

My opinion is that he's fine and that Van Dyke is doing his usual 'doomsday' number on the Sox. (Just recall the headline after Buehrle's game Sunday...never mind that the Sox WON the game...)

Lip

elrod
05-09-2006, 01:18 AM
As anyone who has ever taken a pitching lesson in his life, or just studied the art of throwing the baseball, the trunk of your body is extremely important to the pitchers entire motion. Every little thing must be working together in order for a pitcher to have his best stuff, and often when the little things are instable, a pitcher overcompensates and concentrates his effort into another area causing injuries and stress. It is just a hip, or back, and while you cant throw without an arm, you cant pitch at a high level without a stable midsection.

Fair point. But the injuries that usually land you on the DL are those that affect your arm or shoulder. There are exceptions, of course, like Hermanson. But those are usually long-term issues, like a bulging disc, not a sudden discomfort. It seems that a sudden discomfort in the hip or back would just be a spasm and wouldn't last very long.

kraut83
05-09-2006, 09:50 AM
If JC does have some discomfort, wouldn't a solution be just to skip his turn in the rotation, and see if he's ready to go next weekend? I think yesterday's day off afforded them that luxury.

russ99
05-09-2006, 10:02 AM
regardless of how jose felt today, if cooper said he was in that much pain on sunday, it might be smart to skip him in the rotation, or just let him get some rest on the DL and see what this haeger kid has.

he pitched okay in spring training, but those numbers he has been putting up for the knights are loco.


I'm not so sure if this is a good time to start Haeger...

He's been pitching in Charlotte, where it's a lot warmer. Knuckleballs float better when it's warm and usually level out in much colder weather. It's gonna be really cold in Chicago on Wednesday night.

As I recall, the Astros brought up a knuckleballer very early in the season a few years ago, and he was completely shelled - he gave up something like 8 runs in 2 innings.

Ol' No. 2
05-09-2006, 10:28 AM
I have a question as far as it being for only one start and calling Haegar up. If they didn't want to put Contreras on the DL, would they be able to send someone else down just for the day (say Anderson), start Mack in CF and then after Haegar pitches, send him back down and call BA back up?No. 10-day minimum when a player is optioned to a minor league team.

gosox83
05-09-2006, 10:32 AM
Hmmmmmmm...

I seem to remember a knuckleballer for the Sox by the name of Charlie H.

I saw him throw a CG shut out at Old Comiskey. A very fond memory.

Anyone know who I am referring to?

SOXPHILE
05-09-2006, 10:35 AM
Well, Don Cooper is on right now with Mike North. If he knows anything about Jose's status, he isn't saying. He was asked how Jose was, does he think he'll miss any time, etc. Coop just said that he didn't know, he didn't go to the park yesterday on the off day, and he'll find out more when he heads over there in a few hours. I'm sure he knows more than he's letting on, but just isn't saying, which is fine with me. Let's just keep our fingers crossed when we find out more later today.

Baby Fisk
05-09-2006, 10:39 AM
Hmmmmmmm...

I seem to remember a knuckleballer for the Sox by the name of Charlie H.

I saw him throw a CG shut out at Old Comiskey. A very fond memory.

Anyone know who I am referring to?
Wow, I was a big fan of Charlie H. :thumbsup:

But... I don't think he was with the Sox at Old Comiskey, was he? There couldn't be two different knuckleballing Charlie H's are there?

DaleJRFan
05-09-2006, 10:40 AM
Southsidesox has a nice say on it...
http://southsidesox.com/story/2006/5/8/183416/2781

KW quoted Jose as saying a DL visit is unecessary. Sounds like another false scare to me, at least that's what I am hoping.

gosox83
05-09-2006, 10:53 AM
Wow, I was a big fan of Charlie H. :thumbsup:

But... I don't think he was with the Sox at Old Comiskey, was he? There couldn't be two different knuckleballing Charlie H's are there?

I am 99.9% sure it was Old Comiskey,,,cause for some strange reason I remember the yellow rails in that game.

SOXPHILE
05-09-2006, 10:56 AM
I am 99.9% sure it was Old Comiskey,,,cause for some strange reason I remember the yellow rails in that game.

I think in 1991 he pitched a complete game against the Orioles, a 1-0 victory.

russ99
05-09-2006, 11:00 AM
I am 99.9% sure it was Old Comiskey,,,cause for some strange reason I remember the yellow rails in that game.

From Baseball Reference, this answers your question.

Ol' Charlie H.

Yr Team W L IP ERA
1991 CHW AL 9 10 199.3 4.02
1992 CHW AL 7 12 176.3 3.93

I have some (early) memories of another Sox knuckleballer named Wood.

Ol' No. 2
05-09-2006, 11:01 AM
I am 99.9% sure it was Old Comiskey,,,cause for some strange reason I remember the yellow rails in that game.Nope. He pitched for the Sox in 1991-92.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/houghch01.shtml

sox1970
05-09-2006, 11:24 AM
I think in 1991 he pitched a complete game against the Orioles, a 1-0 victory.

Mike Mussina's ML debut. Frank hit a solo homer.

Chicken Dinner
05-09-2006, 11:34 AM
I'm not so sure if this is a good time to start Haeger...

He's been pitching in Charlotte, where it's a lot warmer. Knuckleballs float better when it's warm and usually level out in much colder weather. It's gonna be really cold in Chicago on Wednesday night.

As I recall, the Astros brought up a knuckleballer very early in the season a few years ago, and he was completely shelled - he gave up something like 8 runs in 2 innings.

I saw Haeger pitch on a cold day in spring training and the Brewers lit him up. Only pitched 2 innings IIRC and gave up 7 runs.

This whole thing is media generated hype. No DL and he will maybe miss 1 start.

gosox83
05-09-2006, 11:45 AM
Nope. He pitched for the Sox in 1991-92.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/houghch01.shtml

I stand corrected....but I swear it was a shutout....

How about The new Charlie H. Shutting out the cubs.....not that great of a task these days....hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahh

soxtalker
05-09-2006, 01:01 PM
While I don't want to see Contreras -- or any of our starting pitchers -- get injured, this rumor made a lot of sense. They want to make sure that the starters are in good shape late in the season. And even if Haeger gets shelled, maybe they can turn it into a good learning experience. McCarthy seemed to benefit from his early-season troubles last year.

longshot7
05-09-2006, 01:59 PM
Ozzie kills me. In that Tribune article, he still refers to Contreras as "this kid," even though EVERYONE knows Jose is older than Ozzie. Hilarious.

oeo
05-09-2006, 02:11 PM
Ozzie kills me. In that Tribune article, he still refers to Contreras as "this kid," even though EVERYONE knows Jose is older than Ozzie. Hilarious.
Ozzie says that since he's the manager, everyone is a kid to him.

palehozenychicty
05-09-2006, 02:31 PM
Mike Mussina's ML debut. Frank hit a solo homer.

I remember watching that game on tv. Man, the moose is old, and throwing well still.

Hawkeroo1980
05-09-2006, 04:15 PM
Has anybody heard any news on him officially going to the DL yet?

I tried going to the other Contreras thread but it turned into a Charlie Hough memories thread

SOXPHILE
05-09-2006, 04:25 PM
Haven't heard anything on the flagship station yet. Right now, they're <YAWN > interviewing Jerry Hairston <YAWN>, some guy that plays on some team or something. The last thing I heard was Coop this morning on the MNMS saying it was an off day yesterday, he didn't know anything, and hoped to find out more when he got to the park this afternoon. Also, in today's Trib, Kenny Williams is quoted as saying something to the effect that Jose felt better on Monday, and they would see what happens.

balke
05-09-2006, 04:31 PM
From what I know they won't be releasing any info until during/after tonights game when Contreras talks to everyone and they can make decisions. This is per ESPN and Comcast reports.

I would imagine it'll be kept quiet until the pitcher of choice is actually called up and the press gets ahold of it. That way it leaves the Angels a little more off guard about who they go up against, just my thought.

credeistheman
05-09-2006, 04:34 PM
according to espn (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=2438542) the sox are considering relegating jose to the dl and bringing charlie haeger (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=446624) up to pitch on wednesday night. that's all i've heard. coop didn't mention anything about it on baseball tonight.

(the link is to an espn.insider column. the column says that charlie is "probably" going to start for the sox. it then goes on to talk about the debuts of other knuckleballers.)

bluestar
05-09-2006, 05:00 PM
According to Scott Reifert: (http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/inside_the_white_sox/2006/05/tuesday_am.html)

Despite alarming reports to the contrary, Jose Contreras really is alive and kicking. My off day of golf (I know, I hear all of your sympathy through the internet) and Little League practice was interrupted by a flurry of calls from the media after one news outlet reported that he was headed to the DL. The rumors seemed to range from serious arm problems to a sore hip.
This was news to me (us) ... which sometimes can happen, but doesn't very often. So I quickly made a couple of calls.


What I found out was that Jose felt some stiffness in his back on Sunday. The decision was made to wait and see how he feels today before we decide how to proceed. Options range from doing nothing, to skipping a start to DL, but again, no decision has been made. Ken Williams, Ozzie Guillen, Herm Schneider, Jose and Don Cooper will probably all get together later this afternoon and decide on next steps.


Anything beyond that would be premature and speculative at this point.

BeviBall!
05-09-2006, 05:14 PM
According to Scott Reifert: (http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/inside_the_white_sox/2006/05/tuesday_am.html)

Despite alarming reports to the contrary, Jose Contreras really is alive and kicking. My off day of golf (I know, I hear all of your sympathy through the internet) and Little League practice was interrupted by a flurry of calls from the media after one news outlet reported that he was headed to the DL. The rumors seemed to range from serious arm problems to a sore hip.
This was news to me (us) ... which sometimes can happen, but doesn't very often. So I quickly made a couple of calls.


What I found out was that Jose felt some stiffness in his back on Sunday. The decision was made to wait and see how he feels today before we decide how to proceed. Options range from doing nothing, to skipping a start to DL, but again, no decision has been made. Ken Williams, Ozzie Guillen, Herm Schneider, Jose and Don Cooper will probably all get together later this afternoon and decide on next steps.


Anything beyond that would be premature and speculative at this point.

There's your answer, Fishbulb.

Hawkeroo1980
05-09-2006, 05:22 PM
There's your answer, Fishbulb.

who/what is a fishbulb?

itsnotrequired
05-09-2006, 05:25 PM
who/what is a fishbulb?

http://spacemansp.homestead.com/files/MrSparkle.jpg

twsoxfan5
05-09-2006, 05:28 PM
Just heard on ESPN 1000 that Contreras is headed to the DL (sciatic nerve).

SOXPHILE
05-09-2006, 05:31 PM
Just heard it on the Score too. 15 day DL.

patbooyah
05-09-2006, 05:32 PM
oh dr. craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawdad....

inform the masses!

ShoelessJoeS
05-09-2006, 05:33 PM
Just heard it on the Score too. 15 day DL.
"________" (insert expletive)

:angry:

infohawk
05-09-2006, 05:36 PM
If it's retroactive, he'll miss what, two starts? I think it's good news that Haeger is coming up. If Contreras had a serious health issue, McCarthy would surely assume his spot in the rotation. This move probably indicates that this is just a hiccup, and there is no reason to weaken the bullpen or begin stretching Brandon out.

EdHerman12
05-09-2006, 05:42 PM
:contreras: "Deeze damn sciatic nerves eez a big pain!"

Get well soon JC!

GO SOX!

SOXPHILE
05-09-2006, 05:43 PM
Haeger is coming up. I don't know if he's going to get the start or McCarthy. I don't think a knuckleballer will be coming out of the bullpen though. I'm sure he's good, but those guys (knuckleballers) always make me nervous. When they're off or bad in any way, THEY REAL BAD ! (nervously bites nails).

Chicken Dinner
05-09-2006, 05:47 PM
Them things hurt. Time to get a chiropractor in.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/images/ency/fullsize/19503.jpg

TomParrish79
05-09-2006, 06:46 PM
get well soon JC.

Hawkeroo1980
05-11-2006, 01:45 PM
http://spacemansp.homestead.com/files/MrSparkle.jpg


????????????????? flew over like lead.

shaunburnette
05-13-2006, 06:57 PM
Not exactly the greatest source but Jose is feeling a bit better.

May 13 Scott Merkin, of WhiteSox.MLB.com, reports Chicago White Sox P Jose Contreras (leg) threw 40 pitches off the mound during a side session with pitching coach Don Cooper. Contreras was only supposed to throw 20 pitches but felt so good, he kept going. He is expected to return to the mound against the Chicago Cubs Saturday, May 20.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7043/news

SoxSpeed22
05-13-2006, 07:07 PM
????????????????? flew over like lead.That's from the Simpsons with "Mr. Sparkle." Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Marge_We_Trust)
It's supposed to be the merging of a fish company with a manufacturing company.
The fish face and the bulb head look like Homer.