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Minnie Me
05-08-2006, 01:24 PM
I know defense can be difficult to rate but the overall defense of the 06 Sox is impressive. With our regular line up we do not have ANY black holes, in fact we have several gold glove caliber players including:

I ask the hystorians here, what Sox team was better in total team defense?
Did the 67 Sox feature better overall defense?

viagracat
05-08-2006, 01:41 PM
Considering the Sox--for years and years (and years and years and years) had mediocre defense, right now I'd say it's the best I've ever seen. I don't remember '67 well enough to compare. Maybe Lip can help us out.

zmz723
05-08-2006, 01:42 PM
dont be ridiculous.

No gold gloves (but should have been 2-3) =not best defense ever

Chicken Dinner
05-08-2006, 01:47 PM
With the starters all in, I would say that the weakest defensive position is Pods in left (which isn't too bad). AJ doesn't seem to be able to throw out any basestealers either but half of that problem is the pitchers.

Minnie Me
05-08-2006, 01:50 PM
AJ has Zero errors this year. Holding runners the responsibility of the pitchers

Chez
05-08-2006, 02:16 PM
AJ has Zero errors this year. Holding runners the responsibility of the pitchers

True. But AJ also frequently does not throw down to second if he thinks the runner has the base stolen. Not meant as a criticism, but it's certainly a way to cut down on errant throws (and errors).

SkeetSkeetAmit
05-08-2006, 02:31 PM
I don't think AJ has as good of an arm as other catchers to throw down to second, but he can do it accurately and will when given the chance. However, I agree with people above that it is more of the pitchers we have that don't hold the runners to the base. We all know Buehrle has the best pick off move to first, but besides that, it seems like our pitchers don't care when people are on and just make the pitch. I see it as a good thing and bad thing. Good becuase they aren't getting distracted to make a tough 2 out sequence at the plate, but bad because guys can take second and get into scoring position.

Meixner007
05-08-2006, 02:32 PM
dont be ridiculous.

No gold gloves (but should have been 2-3) =not best defense ever

I think he was talking about best all time Sox defense.

ode to veeck
05-08-2006, 02:45 PM
dont be ridiculous.

No gold gloves (but should have been 2-3) =not best defense ever

Awk ! Gimme a break!

Gold Gloves have little to do with the best defensive players for a long, long time. It is a meaningless stat when used to try to index "defensive teams".

MarySwiss
05-08-2006, 04:40 PM
2006 will be the best defense until the 2007 Sox, which will be the best defense until the 2008 Sox, which will....

See a pattern here? :D:

chisoxfanatic
05-08-2006, 05:01 PM
With the starters all in, I would say that the weakest defensive position is Pods in left (which isn't too bad). AJ doesn't seem to be able to throw out any basestealers either but half of that problem is the pitchers.

AJ certainly makes up for that by calling a damn great game behind the plate. THAT is the BEST form of defense a catcher can provide!

TDog
05-08-2006, 05:20 PM
dont be ridiculous.

No gold gloves (but should have been 2-3) =not best defense ever

The 1970 Sox, which could have been the worst defensive Sox team ever -- certainly they were the worst defensive team in the league that season -- had two Gold Glove winners. It may have been Ken Berry's only Gold Glove, but Looie Aparicio had a bunch.

Gold Glove awards don't mean anything.

daslobo
05-08-2006, 07:50 PM
From what my Dad and uncles say, I think the 59 club has to be the team to beat.

Nellie_Fox
05-08-2006, 08:02 PM
From what my Dad and uncles say, I think the 59 club has to be the team to beat.Other than Crede being much better than Bubba Phillips, I'd say the '59 club was better defensively.

Daver
05-08-2006, 08:19 PM
Your defense up the middle is shot in the ass when your catcher can't stop a ball in the dirt, and can't field his position against a runner.

batmanZoSo
05-08-2006, 08:30 PM
AJ has Zero errors this year. Holding runners the responsibility of the pitchers

Proves that error totals don't mean much. AJ's great with the staff and his attitude and intangibles are big for the club...and he can hit. But a good catcher he is not. Defensively, he really does nothing well.

fquaye149
05-08-2006, 08:51 PM
Your defense up the middle is shot in the ass when your catcher can't stop a ball in the dirt, and can't field his position against a runner.

AJ is not a great C, Iguchi is not a great 2B, and Scottie is not a great LF

However, everyone else on the team is probably in the top 10% in the league as far as defense goes. I would put Uribe up against just about any SS in baseball. Same goes for Crede. Konerko and Dye are certainly better than most at their position. Neither has the range that would make them superstars defensively, but Paulie makes all the plays he can possibly get to and saves a lot of errors on scoops. Dye has a great outfield arm.

Anderson is a great natural centerfielder who makes tough plays look routine. However, it is a little difficult to put him in the top 10% when there's still CF's like Jones, Hunter, Cameron, Griffey, and Beltran out there.

MarySwiss
05-08-2006, 08:54 PM
AJ is not a great C, Iguchi is not a great 2B, and Scottie is not a great LF

However, everyone else on the team is probably in the top 10% in the league as far as defense goes. I would put Uribe up against just about any SS in baseball. Same goes for Crede. Konerko and Dye are certainly better than most at their position. Neither has the range that would make them superstars defensively, but Paulie makes all the plays he can possibly get to and saves a lot of errors on scoops. Dye has a great outfield arm.

Anderson is a great natural centerfielder who makes tough plays look routine. However, it is a little difficult to put him in the top 10% when there's still CF's like Jones, Hunter, Cameron, Griffey, and Beltran out there.
I agree, guy. But I still don't like Richie Sexson!

Daver
05-08-2006, 09:17 PM
AJ is not a great C, Iguchi is not a great 2B, and Scottie is not a great LF

However, everyone else on the team is probably in the top 10% in the league as far as defense goes. I would put Uribe up against just about any SS in baseball. Same goes for Crede. Konerko and Dye are certainly better than most at their position. Neither has the range that would make them superstars defensively, but Paulie makes all the plays he can possibly get to and saves a lot of errors on scoops. Dye has a great outfield arm.

Anderson is a great natural centerfielder who makes tough plays look routine. However, it is a little difficult to put him in the top 10% when there's still CF's like Jones, Hunter, Cameron, Griffey, and Beltran out there.

Iguchi is better than average at second, and the best the Sox have seen since Robbie Alomar.

fquaye149
05-08-2006, 09:47 PM
Iguchi is better than average at second, and the best the Sox have seen since Robbie Alomar.

Yeah...I guess I was overcorrecting for those who think he's a "great" secondbaseman.

He's not particularly fast nor does he have a great arm, but his fundamentals are solid and he's rarely out of position. To lump him in with AJ and Pods was unfair as they really aren't very good at their positions.

TornLabrum
05-08-2006, 09:54 PM
Yeah...I guess I was overcorrecting for those who think he's a "great" secondbaseman.

He's not particularly fast nor does he have a great arm, but his fundamentals are solid and he's rarely out of position. To lump him in with AJ and Pods was unfair as they really aren't very good at their positions.

Do you know what other Hall of Fame former Sox second baseman (not a great arm, but sound fundamentals and rarely out of position) this sounds like a description of?

drewcifer
05-08-2006, 09:57 PM
Iguchi is better than average at second, and the best the Sox have seen since Robbie Alomar.
Agreed and since when is AJ not a good defensive C???? Did you see his numbers last year? I defy you to find a catcher with more error free innings of service.

And did somebody call a gold glove award a stat? It's a retarded award that Rawlings issues - decided by FANS.

Friggin Jeter won a GG last year, for Christ's sakes.

Daver
05-08-2006, 10:00 PM
Agreed and since when is AJ not a good defensive C???? Did you see his numbers last year? I defy you to find a catcher with less error free innings of service.



Errors are not a way to track defense, and AJ should have bought the Sox official scorer a trip around the world last year for calling his passed balls wild pitches.

drewcifer
05-08-2006, 10:02 PM
Errors are not a way to track defense, and AJ should have bought the Sox official scorer a trip around the world last year for calling his passed balls wild pitches.

Fine, how about AJ books the trip and Jeter pays for it?

fquaye149
05-08-2006, 10:16 PM
ray durham? ;-)

Do you know what other Hall of Fame former Sox second baseman (not a great arm, but sound fundamentals and rarely out of position) this sounds like a description of?

JohnBasedowYoda
05-08-2006, 10:24 PM
2006 will be the best defense until the 2007 Sox, which will be the best defense until the 2008 Sox, which will....

See a pattern here? :D:


The universe keeps expanding until it can't sustain itself

:mg:

JohnBasedowYoda
05-08-2006, 10:26 PM
Proves that error totals don't mean much. AJ's great with the staff and his attitude and intangibles are big for the club...and he can hit. But a good catcher he is not. Defensively, he really does nothing well.


Not that I'm arguing you here, but how can you tell? It always kills me when people say "player x is ok, but really he can't do y." Who are we to judge? I can't tell.


How many passed balls does he have?

How many wins does MB have with the Widge?

Nellie_Fox
05-09-2006, 01:04 AM
Do you know what other Hall of Fame former Sox second baseman (not a great arm, but sound fundamentals and rarely out of position) this sounds like a description of?Ooh, ooh, I do, I do. Ooh, call on me, please Mr. Labrum.