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shes
05-07-2006, 12:59 AM
Through 30 games, White Sox starters have the following records:

Mark Buehrle: 3-2
Freddy Garcia: 4-1
Jose Contreras: 5-0
Javier Vazquez: 4-1
Jon Garland: 2-1

I know it's a longshot, but I think it's a real possibility that all 5 of these guys will finish with 15+ wins (barring injuries of course).

My question is: has any team ever had 5 starters pull off this feat?

Mr. White Sox
05-07-2006, 01:05 AM
I don't have an answer to this question, but barring injuries, I predict:

Jose Contreras: 19-20 wins
Javier Vazquez: 18 wins
Mark Buehrle: 17 wins
Freddy Garcia: 16 wins
Jon Garland: 13 wins

Close, but no cig.

MrRoboto83
05-07-2006, 01:06 AM
Through 30 games, White Sox starters have the following records:

Mark Buehrle: 3-2
Freddy Garcia: 4-1
Jose Contreras: 5-0
Javier Vazquez: 4-1
Jon Garland: 2-1

I know it's a longshot, but I think it's a real possibility that all 5 of these guys will finish with 15+ wins (barring injuries of course).

My question is: has any team ever had 5 starters pull off this feat?

It could happen. They will all have 200+ innings each, when was the last time that happened?

ChiSoxRowand
05-07-2006, 01:29 AM
I think they will all win 15 barring injury. They will get much more run support than last year.

TheKittle
05-07-2006, 01:40 AM
While it would be a great accomplishment, the question is would they match the win total of the Baltimore Orioles four, 20 games winners from 1971? 81 wins between the Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Dave McNally, and Pat Dobson.

None of them had more than 9 losses. Thee of those starters pitched 280 or more innings with McNally going 224 innings. Three of them had an ERA under 3. Cuellar had a 3.08 ERA. What a staff.

Bobbo35
05-07-2006, 01:50 AM
Definately possible!!

DaleJRFan
05-07-2006, 02:05 AM
Contreras: 30-0
Vazquez: 27-3
Buehrle: 22-7
Garcia: 17-9
Garland: 15-10

book it. :D:

itsnotrequired
05-07-2006, 02:09 AM
While it would be a great accomplishment, the question is would they match the win total of the Baltimore Orioles four, 20 games winners from 1971? 81 wins between the Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Dave McNally, and Pat Dobson.

None of them had more than 9 losses. Thee of those starters pitched 280 or more innings with McNally going 224 innings. Three of them had an ERA under 3. Cuellar had a 3.08 ERA. What a staff.

Eh, those guys were okay.

:tongue:

Joeycrizzle
05-07-2006, 02:15 AM
I'm pretty skeptical about Jon Garland though. If he gets it going, then yes they can win 15 games a piece. That would be awesome if that happened.

MERPER
05-07-2006, 03:34 AM
I remember reading in a Sporting News preseason 2005 story that Ken Williams was quoted during spring training, shortly after signing 'el duque', that he believes all 5 starters could win 15 games...

The writer then went on to make fun of KW because that has never happened before and we have a staff with Garland, Hernandez and Contreras and theyd each be lucky to win 10...:tongue:

Maybe last year was a stretch, but KW might be right on this year...

CWSpalehoseCWS
05-07-2006, 03:38 AM
From the looks of things, at least Contreras, Buehrle, Vazquez and Garcia could win 15. Garland has kinda been off to a slow start. It'll be his luck that he wins 14.

jabrch
05-07-2006, 03:58 AM
While it would be a great accomplishment, the question is would they match the win total of the Baltimore Orioles four, 20 games winners from 1971? 81 wins between the Jim Palmer, Mike Cueller, Dave McNally, and Pat Dobson.

None of them had more than 9 losses. Thee of those starters pitched 280 or more innings with McNally going 224 innings. Three of them had an ERA under 3. Cuellar had a 3.08 ERA. What a staff.

Different - as they had a 4 man rotation and were conditioned for that. If we had a 4 man rotation, we'd have a good shot at 4 20 game winners. (with 40 starts each instead of 32...)

Either way, this is the best 5 man rotation I recall...and the cool thing is the core to it is signed for a while.

IlliniSox4Life
05-07-2006, 04:45 AM
With our offense giving the starters around 6 runs a game, and the starters giving up around 4, I think it's safe to bet that they will all at least come very close to 15 wins.

TDog
05-07-2006, 05:31 AM
While it would be a great accomplishment, the question is would they match the win total of the Baltimore Orioles four, 20 games winners from 1971? 81 wins between the Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Dave McNally, and Pat Dobson.

None of them had more than 9 losses. Thee of those starters pitched 280 or more innings with McNally going 224 innings. Three of them had an ERA under 3. Cuellar had a 3.08 ERA. What a staff.

Oddly enough, the Orioles won more games in 1970 when they only had three 20-game winners. And they won even more games in 1969 when they had only had two 20-game winners.

The 1964 White Sox had three fewer losses than than 1971 Orioles, and a 2.72 ERA, but only one 20-game winner. The 1967 White Sox had an ERA of 2.45, but we all know how that worked out.

It's easier to have 20-game winners when your team has some offense.

The 1920 White Sox, by the way, had four 20-game winners (Red Faber, Eddie Cicotte, Lefty Williams and Dickie Kerr). Sure they had a four-man rotation, but they only played 154 games.

SOXSINCE'70
05-07-2006, 10:04 AM
While it would be a great accomplishment, the question is would they match the win total of the Baltimore Orioles four, 20 games winners from 1971? 81 wins between the Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Dave McNally, and Pat Dobson.

None of them had more than 9 losses. Thee of those starters pitched 280 or more innings with McNally going 224 innings. Three of them had an ERA under 3. Cuellar had a 3.08 ERA. What a staff.

As a side note,please remember that the '71 Orioles LOST IN 7
TO THE PIRATES.:(: Having 4 20 game winners (or 5 15+ game
winners) guarantees nothing.

Brian26
05-07-2006, 11:06 AM
While it would be a great accomplishment, the question is would they match the win total of the Baltimore Orioles four, 20 games winners from 1971? 81 wins between the Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Dave McNally, and Pat Dobson.

Good question. I think four 20-game winners is a bigger accomplishment than five 15-game winners though.

FloridaSox
05-07-2006, 12:52 PM
Contreras: 30-0
Vazquez: 27-3
Buehrle: 22-7
Garcia: 17-9
Garland: 15-10

book it. :D:

What a bummer for Vasquez to go 27-3 and not win the Cy Young.

CynicSox
05-07-2006, 02:17 PM
Contreras: 30-0
Vazquez: 27-3
Buehrle: 22-7
Garcia: 17-9
Garland: 15-10

book it. :D:

Shouldn't this be in pink?:tongue:

How about Dale Jr winning the Crown Royal 400? :bandance:

batmanZoSo
05-07-2006, 02:39 PM
Not only will all 5 win twenty games, but Jose Contreras will win the Nobel Peace Prize and Buehrle will be canonized by the Catholic Church. Garland will only win 20 because of great run support.

DrummerGeorgefan
05-07-2006, 02:54 PM
Contreras: 30-0
Vazquez: 27-3
Buehrle: 22-7
Garcia: 17-9
Garland: 15-10

book it. :D:


You dont think the chairman will make contreras sit the rest of the season after getting to 29 wins....no wait, this isnt 1919

SOXintheBURGH
05-07-2006, 03:51 PM
As a side note,please remember that the '71 Orioles LOST IN 7
TO THE PIRATES.:(: Having 4 20 game winners (or 5 15+ game
winners) guarantees nothing.

One of the best Bucs teams of all time led by Stargell, Sanguillen, and Clemente. Roberto batted .414 for the series.

Clearly, Javier Vazquez and Jose Contreras are going to go neck and neck in the race for 30 wins. :tongue:

ondafarm
05-07-2006, 03:55 PM
It is very hard to get 3 let alone 4 let alone 5 pitchers to twenty wins. I think Garland will have to bring it up a notch, but I think the other four have solid chances.

Trav
05-07-2006, 04:05 PM
When was the last time this topic was in the "clubhouse"?
I love this team.

SOXSINCE'70
05-07-2006, 05:21 PM
One of the best Bucs teams of all time led by Stargell, Sanguillen, and Clemente. Roberto batted .414 for the series.


I've seen game 7 on ESPN Classic.Blass' control and the fact that
Clemente was a one man wrecking crew in that Series (he scored on
an RBI double and hit a solo HR in game 7) turned the Bucs from
underdogs into favorites.That team never quit.That probably had
a lot to do with them forcing game 7.They'd repeat the feat
(and the result) 8 years later with the "We are Famil-ee" team.

ondafarm
05-07-2006, 05:39 PM
Five twenty game winners means winning 100 games (obviously.) While that is rare to begin with, one has to assume that relievers will get around ten wins as well. That'd be 110 wins.

Even 5 15-game winners is 75 wins with the ten reliever wins that's 85. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it's hard.

SectionBNole
05-07-2006, 05:47 PM
In my opinion its very possible. With the run support they are getting it just might be probable.

RowanDye
05-07-2006, 06:45 PM
Five twenty game winners means winning 100 games (obviously.) While that is rare to begin with, one has to assume that relievers will get around ten wins as well. That'd be 110 wins.

Even 5 15-game winners is 75 wins with the ten reliever wins that's 85. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it's hard.

Let's hope it's not that hard...I don't think 85 wins will get the division championship this year.

gobears1987
05-07-2006, 08:39 PM
I don't have an answer to this question, but barring injuries, I predict:

Jose Contreras: 19-20 wins
Javier Vazquez: 18 wins
Mark Buehrle: 17 wins
Freddy Garcia: 16 wins
Jon Garland: 13 wins

Close, but no cig.
The only change I'd make to those predicitions is adding 2-3 more Ws for Contreras. He's just too dominant.

SBSoxFan
05-08-2006, 11:25 AM
I'd be disappointed if it didn't happen.

Regarding the Orioles pitchers, it seems like they had a fair number of no decisions. Is that true? I figure around 37 starts, so about 7-10 no decisions? That's why I find Hoyt's performance in '83, from an individual standpoint, rather impressive. He had 34 decisions; win or lose (usually a win), you knew he was going to be out there for the long haul.