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goldglovesox
05-06-2006, 12:51 PM
Does anyone think that we might need bullpen help soon. I think our bullpen has been shaky at best lately. Cotts right now is our only guy who is as close to automatic as relievers get. And we are going to need some quality arms out there come playoff time should we return there. We cant depend on 4 or 5 CG's again. I still have a lot of faith in Jenks and Politte but I mean when do we start considering adding an arm?

SOXandILLINI
05-06-2006, 01:00 PM
logan is not the answer, in fact i think he should be sent down. politte has been a huge disappointment, and is not showing signs of improvement. jenks had an off night last night, but see no reason to panic there. but, i guess to answer your question, i do think we need some help down there. our starting pitching is too good to be losing games like last night.

BeviBall!
05-06-2006, 01:04 PM
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IlliniSox4Life
05-06-2006, 01:05 PM
Does anyone think that we might need bullpen help soon. I think our bullpen has been shaky at best lately. Cotts right now is our only guy who is as close to automatic as relievers get. And we are going to need some quality arms out there come playoff time should we return there. We cant depend on 4 or 5 CG's again. I still have a lot of faith in Jenks and Politte but I mean when do we start considering adding an arm?



The answer is that we can always improve. If Kenny finds a deal out there where he can get a better left fielder than Pods, and doesn't have to give up much, he certainly should consider it. That goes for the bullpen too. However, I think our bullpen is still better than most, and if no trades were made, I would be pretty happy with it. It just has to be good enough to get us to the playoffs. In the playoffs, the starters will probably pitch deeper than they average the rest of the season, and we can rely more on the more solid guys in the bullpen (Cotts/Mccarthy/Jenks/whoever is pitching well then).

goldglovesox
05-06-2006, 01:21 PM
If Kenny finds a deal out there where he can get a better left fielder than Pods, and doesn't have to give up much, he certainly should consider it. That goes for the bullpen too. However, I think our bullpen is still better than most, and if no trades were made, I would be pretty happy with it..

Have to disagree. Unless I am misunderstanding you. Do you propose we dump Pods or move him to CF? We are not getting rid of him. We need the threat of a SB in our lineup somewhere. With him on-base we have so many options with Iguchi behind him. Hit and run straight up steal whatever. IMO we cannot move Pods unless we get a leadoff guy back. As far as Boone goes I think he serves well as our mop-up guy right now. But that if Thorton can lock down that lefty specialist role. Should he falter Boone goes down and move Thorton to the mop up role. I think we need help soon because as we get into the summer we need a lot of fresh arms. And we need to have guys who can get the ball to Jenks in the 9th. Right now I dont see anyone beyond Cotts.

oeo
05-06-2006, 02:21 PM
Does anyone think that we might need bullpen help soon. I think our bullpen has been shaky at best lately. Cotts right now is our only guy who is as close to automatic as relievers get. And we are going to need some quality arms out there come playoff time should we return there. We cant depend on 4 or 5 CG's again. I still have a lot of faith in Jenks and Politte but I mean when do we start considering adding an arm?


Wait, Jenks and McCarthy each have one bad outing and they're no longer "automatic"? Let me remind you that your boy Cotts wasn't so hot to start the year and Jenks has been remarkable to start the season. Even the best closers, like Mariano Rivera for example, have bad outings here and there. I'm in no way comparing him to Rivera, but you get the point. Give him some time off and I think he will be that same guy again. And honestly, I think if we want to see McCarthy at his best, we need to see him with more work than he's getting. I am worried about Politte, though. Yeah, he got the last out yesterday...I also thought Jenks could have done it as well. But everytime I think Politte is starting to look good, he comes in there the next day serving up meatballs again. And I'm not really sure what to think about Logan and Thornton. One outing they're on top of their game, the next, they can't find the plate.

Frater Perdurabo
05-06-2006, 03:09 PM
Have to disagree. Unless I am misunderstanding you. Do you propose we dump Pods or move him to CF? We are not getting rid of him. We need the threat of a SB in our lineup somewhere. With him on-base we have so many options with Iguchi behind him. Hit and run straight up steal whatever. IMO we cannot move Pods unless we get a leadoff guy back.

I can't speak for IlliniSox4Life, but what I interpreted him to say was that a good GM never passes up obvious oppostunities to improve the team. I think he used left field simply as an example. (Would anyone here not like to see Carl Crawford patrolling left field for the Sox if the Rays made him available at a reasonable price?) I don't think IlliniSox4Life was advocating moving Pods. There's a difference between actively looking to replace an integral player and just being open to opportunities to improve a team as they may arise.
:cool:

Railsplitter
05-06-2006, 03:11 PM
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Funny pic, but this is stuff that bears repeating.

Tragg
05-06-2006, 03:48 PM
There's a difference between actively looking to replace an integral player and just being open to opportunities to improve a team as they may arise.
True.

But as a general rule, "upgrades" on this board (not Illini specifically; I don't know his thoughts) are not limited to "stealing" players with large upsides like Crawford....they are often along the lines of giving away young talent for stop-gap measures of an available mediocre veteran to "solve" the problem. For Exhibit A, see the suggestions for Tori Hunter above. Uribe and Crede were on the "problems" list this time last year and they stayed there through August, with the mediocre Randa and the aging Visquel offered as replacements. And there are plenty of mediocre bullpen pitchers available for young talent.

Podednik isn't just a left fielder - he's our lead-off hitter, the only player close to a lead-off hitter on our roster, and I doubt seriously that there are many out there that are available. He has started slowly, and most concerning, imo, is his low walk total. We aren't much of a walking team (and our manager certainly wasn't much for walking as a player), but for a lead-off hitter, those walks are really, really important.

And a general thought on the pen, it's got some flaws, but players aren't machines either. A bad outing, particularly one during a period in which the player has been used heavily, does not mean there's some huge problem. I would have liked to seen McCarthy in there last night - he has struggled recently, but has also pitched in big games and in the clutch and is a key part of our future.

I'm okay with Logan, but would be more comfortable if we used him like we used Cotts in his first year in the pen.

CWSpalehoseCWS
05-06-2006, 04:21 PM
I'm okay with Logan, but would be more comfortable if we used him like we used Cotts in his first year in the pen.

Same here, but I wish they would call up Javier Lopez from AAA. He's done great down there. It looks to me like Logan may need some more practice in the minors.

eurotrash35
05-06-2006, 05:17 PM
We've got 3 months to the trade deadline, let's see how stuff shakes out before we start throwing guys to the wolves. Last night was disappointing for everybody but at least it isn't August. If we need upgrades we'll get them.

Everybody is comparing this year to last year and anything that puts us off the torrid early pace of 2005 is automatically a cause for concern. One thing I can tell you right now is that this team is going to be scary good come the dog days, and they will blow the doors off the 2005 finish.

Chicken Dinner
05-06-2006, 05:27 PM
At least we don't have "lights on" Lidge.

wassagstdu
05-06-2006, 05:33 PM
Everybody is comparing this year to last year and anything that puts us off the torrid early pace of 2005 is automatically a cause for concern. One thing I can tell you right now is that this team is going to be scary good come the dog days, and they will blow the doors off the 2005 finish.

Remember, the 2005 team struggled through most of the second half after Podsednik got injured. Two points: No need to match the first half tear if we can avoid the second half slump. And, Pods was first half MVP (or the Podsednik-Iguchi tandem was).

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samram
05-06-2006, 05:36 PM
Well, last night aside, there's no doubt in my mind that KW is looking to upgrade the bullpen. That doesn't mean he doesn't think Logan or Thornton can't be good (that's why they're on the team), but as Ozzie has said, this isn't the developmental league. That said, not many teams will be willing to give up reliable relievers 30 games into the season.

SweetnesSox
05-06-2006, 06:00 PM
I think they'd bring up Haegar before making a trade. He's a knuckler, making him available to pitch more often than other pitchers, and has been pretty lights out down there.

ilsox7
05-06-2006, 06:10 PM
Well, last night aside, there's no doubt in my mind that KW is looking to upgrade the bullpen. That doesn't mean he doesn't think Logan or Thornton can't be good (that's why they're on the team), but as Ozzie has said, this isn't the developmental league. That said, not many teams will be willing to give up reliable relievers 30 games into the season.

I actually like Thornton. To me, it's obvious Boone will be the one sent down to keep working and get consistent innings. If KW can somehow bring in a solid set-up guy and send Boone down, the bullpen looks pretty darn good.

eurotrash35
05-06-2006, 06:23 PM
I think they'd bring up Haegar before making a trade. He's a knuckler, making him available to pitch more often than other pitchers, and has been pretty lights out down there.

That would make for a pretty dramatic change-of-pace from him to Jenks. :tongue:

KRS1
05-06-2006, 06:35 PM
I actually like Thornton. To me, it's obvious Boone will be the one sent down to keep working and get consistent innings. If KW can somehow bring in a solid set-up guy and send Boone down, the bullpen looks pretty darn good.

Montero is doing awefully good down in Charlotte, he seams to have shaken the BB's and from what I saw in ST, he has some wicked stuff. I certainly wouldnt mind him up for a try, if indeed he is throwing stirkes.

havelj
05-06-2006, 06:58 PM
New flash:

Every team has bullpen issues and is always looking for upgrades. It's the nature of the business and the most fluid of all the roster's roles.

The key is to get the roles defined and slot the pitchers who are best in each. This is the time of year you do that. Have faith in Ozzie, Coop and KW.

samram
05-06-2006, 07:10 PM
I actually like Thornton. To me, it's obvious Boone will be the one sent down to keep working and get consistent innings. If KW can somehow bring in a solid set-up guy and send Boone down, the bullpen looks pretty darn good.

Thornton has been ok so far. I just think KW will try to have as reliable a bullpen as possible- that could mean one addition or three. I really think a replacement for Hermanson has to be found- Politte seems to be getting back to form, but they need one more right down there.

SweetnesSox
05-06-2006, 07:31 PM
That would make for a pretty dramatic change-of-pace from him to Jenks.

seriously he's got a .68 ERA through 40 innings at AAA charlotte. can AJ or widge catch a knuckle?

Lip Man 1
05-09-2006, 01:28 AM
I was at the friday game sitting in the 10th row right near the first base bag.

My only comment is that I don't think Kenny would be comfortable heading down the stretch or into the post-season with Thornton and Logan on the roster.

Jeff Nelson is a start. Look for two more guys to be acquired come the July deadline and then Ozzie will pick and choose his spots.

By the way Friday was the 4th time this young season the Sox lost a game where they took a lead into the 7th inning or later. Three of those blown games were the direct fault of the bullpen.

Lip

White City
05-09-2006, 09:24 AM
he was decent, but it was clear that AJ was having some trouble with his pitches. I guess we're about to find out.

White City
05-09-2006, 09:28 AM
Yeah, it was as I remember: One wild pitch, one passed ball, and a whole lot of balls to the wall behind AJ during pre-game warmups. Didn't make it to a full five innings; two runs were unearned.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=260331115

We got to see Paulie and Thome go yard. Imagine that!