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chaerulez
05-04-2006, 09:40 AM
Thank you Cory Lidle.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/05/04/lidle.bonds/index.html

itsnotrequired
05-04-2006, 09:44 AM
ESPN is preparing their Lidle slam piece as I type this...

viagracat
05-04-2006, 09:57 AM
Good for Lidle; somebody had to step up. Although there isn't a lot of sympathy for Bonds, so I don't think there's much downside for Lidle speaking out. He's just saying what everybody's already thinking.

If it were almost anybody else, Bonds' passing Ruth would be a milestone celebrated by everybody except perhaps some Ruth fanatics, as records are made to be broken. But that will not be the case here. The feat will be politely covered by the media with a lot of scorn thrown in by fans and some inside the game. And this is the king of baseball records. Too bad.

Maybe Pujols will blow the HR record sky high in 15 years and end the inevitable controversy.

soxfan13
05-04-2006, 10:06 AM
I wish more players would come out with there thoughts on this.

ChiSoxGirl
05-04-2006, 10:36 AM
Props to Corey Lidle for speaking what so many fans and baseball players are undoubtedly thinking. :thumbsup:

SOXPHILE
05-04-2006, 10:49 AM
Cory Lidle is now one of my favorite players. That Phillies-Giants series should be fun.:tongue:

Baby Fisk
05-04-2006, 11:12 AM
ESPN is preparing their Lidle slam piece as I type this...
Don't Miss An ESPN Exclusive Three Part Series: "Corey Lidle, Enemy of America" (airs immediately after the latest episode of our Barry Bonds apologist propaganda)

wdelaney72
05-04-2006, 11:34 AM
Dumb and Dumber (Mike&Mike) gave this a chat this morning. They agreed with him, but you could tell they were being a bit careful to not completely throw Bonds under the bus. They did, however, pose an interesting question to Tim Kirchin (sp?). They asked if this would open the floodgates for other players to start publicly ripping Bonds. Kirchin didn't think so, but I might have to disagree.

This could end up snowballing if just a few would step up and follow Lidle. The more that say something, the more players will jump in.

I'd love to see this happen, but I know thats wishful thinking on my part.

Thumbs up to Corey Lidle.

ILuvThatDuck
05-04-2006, 12:28 PM
Anyone know where I can buy a Lidle jersey?

Good to see someone take a stand on Bonds.

chisoxfan64
05-04-2006, 03:59 PM
I was listening to Dan Patrick on the way home from work today. (before I realized the Sox game was on). He was talking about Lidle`s comments and said Phil the showkiller called Lidle to see if he would do an interview and Lidle declined saying he wish he would have never said those things.:?:

goofymsfan
05-04-2006, 04:13 PM
I was listening to Dan Patrick on the way home from work today. (before I realized the Sox game was on). He was talking about Lidle`s comments and said Phil the showkiller called Lidle to see if he would do an interview and Lidle declined saying he wish he would have never said those things.:?:

My guess is that he is being hassled over his comments and people are making a big deal out of them. He's probably only wishing he hadn't said those things because of that...not that he doesn't mean them.

viagracat
05-04-2006, 04:21 PM
Now we'll hear the remarks "were taken out of context". Sheesh.:mad:

buehrle4cy05
05-04-2006, 04:58 PM
As stated by other posters in this thread, this hopefully will wake up players to speak out against Bonds. Maybe some of his former teammates will come out of the woodwork and provide eyewitness evidence to Bonds' roid use.

Ol' No. 2
05-04-2006, 09:02 PM
Dumb and Dumber (Mike&Mike) gave this a chat this morning. They agreed with him, but you could tell they were being a bit careful to not completely throw Bonds under the bus. They did, however, pose an interesting question to Tim Kirchin (sp?). They asked if this would open the floodgates for other players to start publicly ripping Bonds. Kirchin didn't think so, but I might have to disagree.

This could end up snowballing if just a few would step up and follow Lidle. The more that say something, the more players will jump in.

I'd love to see this happen, but I know thats wishful thinking on my part.

Thumbs up to Corey Lidle.You mean they actually took time away from talking about the NFL draft???

santo=dorf
05-04-2006, 09:30 PM
Turk Wendell called him out a couple years ago too.

drewcifer
05-04-2006, 09:41 PM
Not that I'm disagreeing with anything he's saying but....

Who the hell is Cory Lidle?????

His career looks pretty uninteresting and above par with nothing but uninteresting and above par teams... He looks like a guy making a living at being trade bait - Wrong team, wrong time.

Seriously - Get a better interview SI.

voodoochile
05-04-2006, 10:21 PM
Not that I'm disagreeing with anything he's saying but....

Who the hell is Cory Lidle?????

His career looks pretty uninteresting and above par with nothing but uninteresting and above par teams... He looks like a guy making a living at being trade bait - Wrong team, wrong time.

Seriously - Get a better interview SI.

I may be completely off on that, but I think he was a highly touted minor leaguer for the A's who has had a fairly mediocre career since joining the show. In fact, I am pretty sure the Sox tried to get him instead of Cotts in the Foulke for Koch trade.

FedEx227
05-04-2006, 10:41 PM
The interview was with the Philadelphia Inquier.

and why should his career record make any difference in him speaking the truth? Most guys are too worried about some "code". I applaud Lidle for having some balls.

drewcifer
05-04-2006, 10:52 PM
I may be completely off on that, but I think he was a highly touted minor leaguer for the A's who has had a fairly mediocre career since joining the show. In fact, I am pretty sure the Sox tried to get him instead of Cotts in the Foulke for Koch trade.
Out of the Twins system, but still not aware of him in the Foulke/Koch deal.

He's a mainly career AL guy, number 1.

Number 2 - His numbers show zilch about his personal dealings with Bonds. I can't find any record of them ever seeing each in a game - ever.

Number 3 - If I read these comments from a Smoltz, a Glavine, a.. dare I say... Maddux... Any NL guy whose got a long (or as long) a tenure and has a justifiable opinion.....

some info I'm looking at (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lidleco01.shtml)

I'm seeing kindling material with this, Voodoo.

My humble POV.

drewcifer
05-04-2006, 10:54 PM
The interview was with the Philadelphia Inquier.

and why should his career record make any difference in him speaking the truth? Most guys are too worried about some "code". I applaud Lidle for having some balls.


It's the right comments..... But if the source is crap, it's going to mean nothing.

It'll make it a circus, actually.

Right words - Wrong guy speaking them.

<Ignorance isn't balls. Nothing he has to say can be backed up by any personal knowledge he has. That's the problem>

FedEx227
05-04-2006, 11:06 PM
What personal knowledge does he need to have? He says what we all see. The man has obviously morphed his body in the time that we've seen him. Lidle didn't come with a bunch of numbers/stats/facts. Instead he stated what is obvious to most of us:

Bonds was and always will be a great hitter, 500 was all but inevitable in his career... but him reaching 700 home runs is a joke.
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His body has changed A TON since he came into this league.

I fail to see how a more credible pitcher would add any to this argument? If Tom Glavine says the same thing as Lidle how does it change the story what so ever?

MUsoxfan
05-04-2006, 11:08 PM
Out of the Twins system, but still not aware of him in the Foulke/Koch deal.

He's a mainly career AL guy, number 1.

Number 2 - His numbers show zilch about his personal dealings with Bonds. I can't find any record of them ever seeing each in a game - ever.

Number 3 - If I read these comments from a Smoltz, a Glavine, a.. dare I say... Maddux... Any NL guy whose got a long (or as long) a tenure and has a justifiable opinion.....

some info I'm looking at (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lidleco01.shtml)

I'm seeing kindling material with this, Voodoo.

My humble POV.
1) Who cares? He's a major league player and much closer to the situation than any of us

2) Who cares? He's encountered Bonds on a closer level than we have regardless if he actually pitched to him or not

3) A guy's not allowed to have an opinion if he doesn't have 200 wins in the National League? Are you serious?

drewcifer
05-04-2006, 11:25 PM
1) Who cares? He's a major league player and much closer to the situation than any of us

2) Who cares? He's encountered Bonds on a closer level than we have regardless if he actually pitched to him or not

3) A guy's not allowed to have an opinion if he doesn't have 200 wins in the National League? Are you serious?
1. He is. But one who can not justify much more than you, I, or anyone else???? Unless you know of him being "close" to steroid use that the article does not mention. He made observations - "his head got huge", and balloon in numbers...

Well - We all saw that and still argue about it.

Uh, thanks.

That is a close perspective?

2. He did? Show me. I tried to find him ever being on the same field as him.

3.I was being serious but not to the point of starting trouble. I have no idea what 200 wins has to do with anything. My points about him being a valid source had nothing to do with his success but more to do with where he was playing and looking at his perspective on Bonds based on it.

Frankly - I can not see why this article does not reference "Captain Obvious" as the source.

FedEx227
05-04-2006, 11:40 PM
I don't think you realize what the big fuss over this is.

It's not WHO is saying anything or WHAT is being said.

It's the fact that SOMEBODY in the MLB have finally said something. Right now, yes it seems pretty weird, why Corey Lidle, I do understand people questioning his credibility in knowing the matter.

Rather it's the fact that he is the first MLB player to break this "code" that permits them to possible say anything negative towards another baseball player. The fact is, Corey Lidle has seen the same stuff we've seen, and believe it or not Glavine and Smoltz have seen the same thing as Lidle.

They've all seen as much as any outlooker, us included have seen. The titanic numbers and the body change.

Maybe it takes a Captian Obvious to spark some interest in this. The same could probably have been said for Jose Conseco, I personally thought it was pretty weak for him to dog-out all of his former friends like that, but we've seen the benefits, it opened up a lot of people's eyes. They knew steriods were going on but they turned the other cheek, now they start to realize the severity.

I'm sorry... but for anything Ryan Madson could have said this and I don't think the situation would change, it's the fact that SOMEBODY in the MLB has finally stood up and stated what most of us have known all along. Finally an MLB player seems like less of a tool and more of a normal human being who feels that cheating and making a mockery of history is a terrible thing especially in a game so beloved by many.

chaerulez
05-04-2006, 11:44 PM
1. He is. But one who can not justify much more than you, I, or anyone else???? Unless you know of him being "close" to steroid use that the article does not mention. He made observations - "his head got huge", and balloon in numbers...

Well - We all saw that and still argue about it.

Uh, thanks.

That is a close perspective?

2. He did? Show me. I tried to find him ever being on the same field as him.

3.I was being serious but not to the point of starting trouble. I have no idea what 200 wins has to do with anything. My points about him being a valid source had nothing to do with his success but more to do with where he was playing and looking at his perspective on Bonds based on it.

Frankly - I can not see why this article does not reference "Captain Obvious" as the source.

I guess if a MLB player doesn't achieve a certain amount of success, we should ignore him. Just like Turk Wendell. Wendell was just a slighty above average relief pitcher, so just like when Bonds said he had no idea who Wendell was we should react the same way. Both Lidle and Wendell, just are two nobodies who have no say in this matter. Only if more well known players like Jeter and Barry Zito spoke on this issue, only then could we take this seriously.

Come on, Lidle has been in the league for a while. He has every right to say what's on his mind. So many players are jumping on Bonds' side and defending what he did. It's nice to see someone take this point of view. It's not like he's a minor leaguer that just got called up.

voodoochile
05-05-2006, 07:40 AM
Out of the Twins system, but still not aware of him in the Foulke/Koch deal.

He's a mainly career AL guy, number 1.

Number 2 - His numbers show zilch about his personal dealings with Bonds. I can't find any record of them ever seeing each in a game - ever.

Number 3 - If I read these comments from a Smoltz, a Glavine, a.. dare I say... Maddux... Any NL guy whose got a long (or as long) a tenure and has a justifiable opinion.....

some info I'm looking at (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lidleco01.shtml)

I'm seeing kindling material with this, Voodoo.

My humble POV.
Whether he has ever pitched to Bonds is immaterial, IMO. Would that rule out Mark Buehrle from speaking out (might have actually pitched to him, I know Colon did :whiner: ).

Long time pitchers are less likely to take a stand, IMO. More to lose personally and more likely to support the CBA status quo. What's Lidle got to lose? Of course maybe he's just a loose cannon ala Fydrich, Daulton, Carlton. Frank has come out numerous times against steroids and though he hasn't called out Bonds by name, he essentially called out Sosa and McGwire the year after the great HR race (that saved baseball).

The point is that if you take the finger out of the crack in the dam, who knows what happens next. Someone has to start the water flowing. What happens thereafter depends on how good the wall of lies is built...

SouthSide_HitMen
05-07-2006, 09:39 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo;_ylt=AopJqiHx8Ral1i3A0L_VqCA5nYcB?slug=cdded d1e2051404090d539694feb89b5.giants_phillies_baseba ll_pagp106&prov=ap

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=1a977d32b6074ed7a210e7600c2e00d0.giants _phillies_baseball_pxs109&prov=ap

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=c1a3284c66e94b308bc25e999bc5b29e.giants _phillies_baseball_pxs104&prov=ap

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=r1221309946&prov=reuters

ZachAL
05-07-2006, 10:36 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo;_ylt=AopJqiHx8Ral1i3A0L_VqCA5nYcB?slug=cdded d1e2051404090d539694feb89b5.giants_phillies_baseba ll_pagp106&prov=ap

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=1a977d32b6074ed7a210e7600c2e00d0.giants _phillies_baseball_pxs109&prov=ap

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=c1a3284c66e94b308bc25e999bc5b29e.giants _phillies_baseball_pxs104&prov=ap

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=r1221309946&prov=reuters

Wow, I have to say they are quite creative in Philly. They certainly live up to their reputation as hecklers.

Jjav829
05-07-2006, 10:45 PM
Ugh, is anyone watching this Bonds press conference? :rolleyes:

:puking:

jenn2080
05-08-2006, 08:50 AM
Bonds is does not deserve to beat Ruth's record. I can not stand that guy. Everytime he hits a HR it makes me cringe. He is so cocky and full of crap.

wilburaga
05-08-2006, 10:05 AM
I just find it odd that Lidle chooses to opine about Bonds, but maintains silence about his old high school chum Jason Giambi. Seems his perspective on the latter would be more relevant.


W

SBSoxFan
05-08-2006, 11:30 AM
Dumb and Dumber (Mike&Mike)
How do you tell which one is dumber? :?:

voodoochile
05-08-2006, 12:04 PM
Bonds is does not deserve to beat Ruth's record. I can not stand that guy. Everytime he hits a HR it makes me cringe. He is so cocky and full of crap.

If by crap you mean steroids and HGH, I completely agree.

If by crap you mean stupidity, arrogance, bluster and paranoia, I still completely agre...:D:

Palehose13
05-08-2006, 12:35 PM
Barry Bonds is a great hitter. Steroids ampliefies our natural ability, not give you an ability (just ask 'roider Armando Rios :redneck ) However,if Barry had never taken roids he most likely would have had a career that mirrors Frank Thomas...and that ain't too shabby. His personality is his worst enemy and he probably would have been a HOF player without roids. Instead, his named will forever be engraved in baseball history, but I don't think he is going to be happy with how he is remembered.

A friend and I were talking this weekend about steroids in baseball. It's really a shame because during the steroid era the "stars" were Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa...all *******s. If the "steroid era" didn't happen, we thought that Thomas, Griffey Jr., and Thome would have been the "stars". It's too bad because the latter 3 are much better people than the other clowns.

Oh hey and Corey...way to speak your mind.

TheVulture
05-08-2006, 01:42 PM
Who the hell is Cory Lidle?????



A solid major leaguer who's managed to stay at the highest level of baseball for 8 years, and probably will be around for at least a few more.

jenn2080
05-08-2006, 01:54 PM
If by crap you mean steroids and HGH, I completely agree.

If by crap you mean stupidity, arrogance, bluster and paranoia, I still completely agre...:D:


ALl of the above. I was watching sports center on Sunday morning and I thought i was going to choke on my breakfast watching him hit a HR stand there watch it and then slowly run. DUDE RUN!!!!!!! You have the audacity to not sign your 713th HR but your cant run your chunky self around 4 bases. Save it. You are no different from any other million $$ player in this league. People like Ruth and DiMaggio and Williams, and a million others played for the love of the game...with some frustations and money im sure, but they werent denying signing team balls and pumping themselves full of steroids to hit a ball. That guy does not deserve to be any record books with Ruth or any other legend out there. I am so glad McGuire got the 62 HRs + and not Bonds or Sosa for that fact(I did not mention Sosa for this to turn into a I hate Cubs thread).

voodoochile
05-08-2006, 01:57 PM
ALl of the above. I was watching sports center on Sunday morning and I thought i was going to choke on my breakfast watching him hit a HR stand there watch it and then slowly run. DUDE RUN!!!!!!! You have the audacity to not sign your 713th HR but your cant run your chunky self around 4 bases. Save it. You are no different from any other million $$ player in this league. People like Ruth and DiMaggio and Williams, and a million others played for the love of the game...with some frustations and money im sure, but they werent denying signing team balls and pumping themselves full of steroids to hit a ball. That guy does not deserve to be any record books with Ruth or any other legend out there. I am so glad McGuire got the 62 HRs + and not Bonds or Sosa for that fact(I did not mention Sosa for this to turn into a I hate Cubs thread).

Couldn't have said that better...

Oh and what's with all the fights in your section? You trying to corrupt more young children whose parents don't have a sense of humor?:tongue:

jenn2080
05-08-2006, 02:06 PM
Couldn't have said that better...

Oh and what's with all the fights in your section? You trying to corrupt more young children whose parents don't have a sense of humor?:tongue:

Im in the bleachers...i dont even have to say anymore. I have to say that the Angels kids parents were very cool when they found out I got them to cheer for AJ.

StockdaleForVeep
05-08-2006, 03:00 PM
Is david wells too sauced to come out and complain too?

PennStater98r
05-09-2006, 11:02 AM
Anyone know where I can buy a Lidle jersey?

Good to see someone take a stand on Bonds.

Sounds like the words of a grinder to me. -- Kenny?

:bandance:

D. TODD
05-09-2006, 11:27 AM
I just find it odd that Lidle chooses to opine about Bonds, but maintains silence about his old high school chum Jason Giambi. Seems his perspective on the latter would be more relevant.


W Every player in MLB knows somebody who has used. I think few are speaking out because they will be seen as hypercritical being outraged with Bonds when they idly watched teammates or dabbled theirself with performance enhancers. Bonds is the best player and is approaching Babe Ruth numbers, but he is far from different from his peers in baseball in general throughout the past 25 years. Tread lightly when being outraged after it becomes fashionable to do so as a player is the message I think is being given. Especially when you were totally quiet throughout your career on this issue to this point.

PushnThaEscalade
05-09-2006, 04:45 PM
Regardless of that the public thinks, the only ones that know if Bonds is guilty is Bonds himself, the people who have tested him, various people within the Giants organization and MLB, until he is proven guilty of cheating, personally, im standing by Bonds as a very great player.

Ol' No. 2
05-09-2006, 04:47 PM
Regardless of that the public thinks, the only ones that know if Bonds is guilty is Bonds himself, the people who have tested him, various people within the Giants organization and MLB, until he is proven guilty of cheating, personally, im standing by Bonds as a very great player.Shouldn't you be helping OJ find the real killer?

voodoochile
05-09-2006, 04:53 PM
Regardless of that the public thinks, the only ones that know if Bonds is guilty is Bonds himself, the people who have tested him, various people within the Giants organization and MLB, until he is proven guilty of cheating, personally, im standing by Bonds as a very great player.

No, we know he cheated. He used the cream and the clear. It's that simple his "flaxseed oil" excuse not withstanding. He's a cheat. He's a liar. He's a bigot.

You want to stand beside him knock yourself out, but as far as I am concerned, he's nothing but a loser and from the looks of things he always has been.

PushnThaEscalade
05-09-2006, 06:18 PM
Shouldn't you be helping OJ find the real killer?
Nah. OJ was guilty. so is R. Kelly, but im not gonna get into that and get Roadhoused.

EDIT: Sorry about the semi-hijack Mods.