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MrRoboto83
05-02-2006, 10:46 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=ApXtN2MAwxVnQIliZCyHnBk5nYcB?gid=260502 103&prov=ap

You can see a video clip on www.oaklandathletics.com (http://www.oaklandathletics.com)

Looks like Kendall won the fight, mostly pushing and shoving.

Madvora
05-02-2006, 10:51 PM
That was a little strange. I'd love to hear what was said.

Frank was right out there in the middle of it, pretty quick.

itsnotrequired
05-02-2006, 10:52 PM
That was pretty funny, especially seeing Thomas jump in there.

MrRoboto83
05-02-2006, 10:58 PM
That was pretty funny, especially seeing Thomas jump in there.

"Jason has had a history of leaning out over the plate, trying to get hit," Lackey said. "He stuck his elbow guard out over the plate and I told him not to. He had a problem with it, and he came out and got me. He has a right to do that, and I'm totally cool with it."

It looked like Kendall and Lackey were the only 2 that were fighting, everyone else looked to try to stop the fight.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-02-2006, 11:15 PM
Why was Lackey ejected? The idiot no talent Beanebot charged him for no reason. Kendall wasn't hit (though he tried to get hit) and started the fight and Lackey was only defending himself.

Kendall should have gotten two for instigating, 5 for fighting and a misconduct penalty. Lackey should have received two for roughing.

I'd give this a 1 out of 5 stars as far as fisticuffs go.

MUsoxfan
05-02-2006, 11:31 PM
Why was Lackey ejected? The idiot no talent Beanebot charged him for no reason. Kendall wasn't hit (though he tried to get hit) and started the fight and Lackey was only defending himself.

Kendall should have gotten two for instigating, 5 for fighting and a misconduct penalty. Lackey should have received two for roughing.

I'd give this a 1 out of 5 stars as far as fisticuffs go.

I too think it was a 1-star fight....

However, I don't think Kendall would have charged the mound if Lackey didn't start barking at him when Kendall gave him a look. The umpire knows what was said, so that's probably why he got the boot

Scottiehaswheels
05-03-2006, 12:00 AM
According to Angels fans, they have the classiest org around.... mmmm hmmm

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 12:23 AM
I too think it was a 1-star fight....

However, I don't think Kendall would have charged the mound if Lackey didn't start barking at him when Kendall gave him a look. The umpire knows what was said, so that's probably why he got the boot

It doesn't matter what was said IMO. If he said something to an umpire that is one thing. Both sides stated he told Kendall to get the **** out of the way next time.

To me that is not worthy of ejection. He wouldn't have been ejected if Kendall would have stayed in the box like most normal ballplayers.

If this is the way umpires are going to handle a batter out of control teams should send goons to lead off the game, charge Schilling, Pedro and get them ejected after 1 batter. The Sox could find something for Gload to do.

If Lackey plunked or threw at Kendall then I could possibly see both being ejected. Lackey throw a slow breaking ball and Kendall having lost all talent upon arriving in Beaneland stuck his elbow armor out to try to get hit by the pitch and knock in a run. I don't think that elbow armor or anthing else outside of you batting glove and helmet should be worn at home plate. Players like Biggio have made a mockery of the HBP and umpires almost never call the batter for not getting out of the way.

Kendall should get a 5 or 10 game suspension for charging the mound unprovoked and MLB should issue a statement saying they are going to protect the pitcher in such scenarios and goons like Kendall cannot charge the mound and get the pitcher thrown out for defending himself.

munchman33
05-03-2006, 12:57 AM
To me that is not worthy of ejection.

Well that's your opinion. But behavior that incites a fight has always gotten people tossed before. No reason to change it here. You give someone lip, you always run the risk of a fight. Don't want to get tossed? Keep your mouth shut and play the game.

MrRoboto83
05-03-2006, 01:03 AM
I think Kendall has the perfect right to stick his elbow out and try to get on base, that is baseball. Lackey should of kept his mouth shut and pitched. I'm guessing something else must of been said at some point.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 01:11 AM
Well that's your opinion. But behavior that incites a fight has always gotten people tossed before. No reason to change it here. You give someone lip, you always run the risk of a fight. Don't want to get tossed? Keep your mouth shut and play the game.

AJ and many others bark on the bench and at the plate. That is not the bases for an ejection despite your opinion. The umpire made no such gesture or action until the worthless piece of crap Kendall charged the mound.

Time will tell and despite the fact Bud runs MLB I expect a suspension for Kendall for his outrageous actions. If Lackey gets fined for protecting himself than that is too much but to be expected. Kendall choose violence and this is the second time this goon has done it. A few years ago he attacked his current teammate Joe Kennedy when he was in Colorado and Kendall was in Pittsburgh for the same scenario. Kendall wasn't hit, the pitcher told him to take his ***** ass padded elbow out of the strikezone and stop leaning into pitches and Kendall charged the mound.

If both players get the same or similar fines / suspensions someone should take out Kendall's teeth.

This is getting ridiculous. Pitchers cannot pitch inside anymore and hitters go up with all of these pads and lean into pitches to get hit. These pads should be removed and pitchers should be allowed to pitch inside without an umpire wetting his pants the first time someone gets hit and issuing warnings or ejections. And any player inciting violence for little to no reason should be banned for weeks if not months so the next idiot who thinks about starting a bench clearing brawl who was not even hit thinks twice before doing something as stupid as A's goon Kendall has done twice in the past few years or about as often as he homers.

TheKittle
05-03-2006, 01:22 AM
I think Kendall has the perfect right to stick his elbow out and try to get on base, that is baseball. Lackey should of kept his mouth shut and pitched. I'm guessing something else must of been said at some point.

No, actually the rule says a batter must make an attempt to get OUT of the way of a ball. Too bad major league umpires don't enforce that or the real strike zone.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 01:23 AM
I think Kendall has the perfect right to stick his elbow out and try to get on base, that is baseball. Lackey should of kept his mouth shut and pitched. I'm guessing something else must of been said at some point.

That is wrong. Players jaw and say things all the time - including to umpires. To say any player has the right to start a fist fight after an opponent says something is wrong. Kendall must get a severe punishment and if he does this a third time they should consider a month or longer ban. Talk has been a part of baseball since the 1800s. Brawls have no place in baseball. There was not harm, no intended harm. Lackey didn't throw a 90 MPH pitch at his face as a purpose or payback pitch. He threw an off speed curve ball which Kendall leaned into with his padded elbow. Kendall overreacted and instigated this brawl on his own. 999 of 1000 MLB players would not have charged the mound on this play.

MUsoxfan
05-03-2006, 01:59 AM
Too bad major league umpires don't enforce that or the real strike zone.

:crede

"I think I'm gonna have to disagree on that one."

chaerulez
05-03-2006, 04:11 AM
Kendall is just as bad, maybe worse than Bonds leaving his elbow over the zone protected with armor like that. Say what you guys want about Prior, but I was laughing when Prior threw in to Bonds and Bonds started him down and Prior basically made a "what are you going to do about it" gesture and after the game said Bonds should stop crowding the plate. Only if more pitchers had the guts to drill that steroid cheating freak until he backed off the plate.

Randar68
05-03-2006, 10:03 AM
I think Kendall has the perfect right to stick his elbow out and try to get on base, that is baseball. Lackey should of kept his mouth shut and pitched. I'm guessing something else must of been said at some point.

That's the way it has always been, but in the past that just meant that next time up he was goin to get one in the ear... baseball has taken that part of the "equalizer" out of the equation and given hitters free range and rights over the inner half of the plate... which is bullspit.

viagracat
05-03-2006, 10:23 AM
It's bull**** when a guy charges the mound without even being hit. Hell, in the old days guys like Drysdale and Gibson regularly drilled batters and it was accepted (to a point) as being part of the game. If you're so weak you can't take a little chirping, you shouldn't be out there.

wdelaney72
05-03-2006, 10:45 AM
Kendall's a pud. He had no reason to charge the mound.

munchman33
05-03-2006, 10:54 AM
AJ and many others bark on the bench and at the plate. That is not the bases for an ejection despite your opinion. The umpire made no such gesture or action until the worthless piece of crap Kendall charged the mound.




Well that's the thing. Everytime you yell at someone you understand you're taking that risk.

And it is a basis for ejection. I can guarantee there hasn't been a case ever where a player was yelling, a fight broke out involving someone attacking the original yeller, and the person yelling was not ejected. I'd like to hear you come up with one.

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daveeym
05-03-2006, 11:18 AM
Lackey so derserved to get ran on that. You guys are nuts. The ball was 6-8 inches inside, Kendall definitely didn't lean into it. He pulled his arms and elbows in, didn't look at Lackey or react other than to nonchalantly back out of the box and Lackey started mouthing off. Should he have charged, probably not, but it definitely was Lackey instigating it. Crowding the plate and leaning in and taking hits on border line strikes is BS, turning into a pitch on a ball 6-8 inches inside is good baseball.

pearso66
05-03-2006, 08:02 PM
Kendall is just as bad, maybe worse than Bonds leaving his elbow over the zone protected with armor like that. Say what you guys want about Prior, but I was laughing when Prior threw in to Bonds and Bonds started him down and Prior basically made a "what are you going to do about it" gesture and after the game said Bonds should stop crowding the plate. Only if more pitchers had the guts to drill that steroid cheating freak until he backed off the plate.

I have always said this. With Bonds being so far in, basically hanging over the plate, I woudl consistantly throw below his elbow, or even at him. I don't see how you can get ejected when you hit a guy that is literally leaning over the top of the plate. Also, I think if a guy is hanging over that far, they shouldn't be allowed to wear the GIANT pads.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-05-2006, 04:15 PM
Time will tell and despite the fact Bud runs MLB I expect a suspension for Kendall for his outrageous actions. If Lackey gets fined for protecting himself than that is too much but to be expected. Kendall choose violence and this is the second time this goon has done it. A few years ago he attacked his current teammate Joe Kennedy when he was in Colorado and Kendall was in Pittsburgh for the same scenario. Kendall wasn't hit, the pitcher told him to take his ***** ass padded elbow out of the strikezone and stop leaning into pitches and Kendall charged the mound.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060505&content_id=1438762&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Bud Selig and his office made the right call. Four game suspension and fine for Kendall and fine for Lackey.

If Kendall does this a third time he should get a minimum 10 game suspension (not that it hurts the A's whether he plays or not).