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chisoxfanatic
05-01-2006, 11:55 PM
Ozzie certainly rests in each of our hearts as a cherished and greatly desired piece to our Sox fandom puzzle. He has shown virtually all of the qualities in a great manager in his first couple of years of his tenure here at his position. In 50 years, we will be telling our descendants of the greatness of the Sox of last year, hopefully this year, and years to come. What a glorious time to be Sox fans!

It usually takes a while before one is judged against other guys in their same position in the history of an organization/game. In 50 years from now, do you think Ozzie will be known as the greatest manager in Sox history? Consider what already has been, what is, and what *might* be for our beloved when you make your decision.

chisoxmike
05-01-2006, 11:58 PM
Depends. If he only wins one World Series title then no, probably not.

DaBears
05-02-2006, 12:02 AM
Too me this is the same as asking in 1986..."Will Ditka be the best Bears manager in 50 years?".....YES!!


That being said, I want more than 1!!!:cool:

Chicken Dinner
05-02-2006, 12:02 AM
How ya supposed to know that??:dunno:

chisoxfanatic
05-02-2006, 12:03 AM
How ya supposed to know that??:dunno:

Projections!

And, NO, I'm not talking about HomeFish's linear projections! :cool:

mrs. hendu
05-02-2006, 12:03 AM
Depends. If he only wins one World Series title then no, probably not.
Who knows, but he did end an 88 drought. Should we not repeat, 2005 will always be big, if we repeat though, the 2005 win will be special anyway. So I voted yes, but who knows what the world will be like in 50 years, let alone in 5.

chisoxmike
05-02-2006, 12:04 AM
but who knows what the world will be like in 50 years, let alone in 5.

or tomorrow...:D:

mrs. hendu
05-02-2006, 12:05 AM
or tomorrow...:D:
No kidding. :D:

chisoxfanatic
05-02-2006, 12:06 AM
or tomorrow...:D:

Speak for yourself! I sure know, and I know this: Aliens will invade Clark & Addison! :cool:

chisoxfanatic
05-02-2006, 12:11 AM
As for the question at hand. I believe Ozzie will be remembered as the best manager in Sox history simply because of what he did in such a short period of time. Considering the lean amount of hardware this franchise has seen, and how much our fanbase cherished last year's team, Ozzie is gonna be held up super high.

vegyrex
05-02-2006, 12:14 AM
In my 37 years as a Sox fan Ozzie is clearly the best manager I've seen wear a Sox uniform.

doublem23
05-02-2006, 12:30 AM
Depends. If he only wins one World Series title then no, probably not.

I don't know... he's already in pretty elite compnay as is. Who else is comparable? Kid Gleason, Al Lopez, Tony LaRussa... after that you are really stretching to say any other Sox manager in history compares as favorably to Guillen.

IlliniSox4Life
05-02-2006, 03:36 AM
He got us a ring. He's the only manager 99% of the fanbase has seen do that. Hopefully in 50 years, he won't be the only one, but he will be the first we've seen and hopefully the only one to eight-peat. He and Kenny have basically revitalized this franchise and made it the class of major league baseball. It's not very likely that any other manager will be able to do it.


And frankly, when I look back on the 2005 season, a lot of times I am this close to shedding some tears over it. There are few times in life when people cry out of joy. I don't know if I will ever do it again over the Sox winning a title, and for a man I don't know to have given that to me, well, he holds a special place in my heart. I suspect many are with me.

Grzegorz
05-02-2006, 04:37 AM
Depends. If he only wins one World Series title then no, probably not.

I agree with Baseball Mike; one WS win doesn't catapult Ozzie to the top of the list.

Chips
05-02-2006, 06:22 AM
Too me this is the same as asking in 1986..."Will Ditka be the best Bears manager in 50 years?".....YES!!


That being said, I want more than 1!!!:cool:

George Halas for Bears best Head Coach,

Who knows what will be of Ozzie come 50 years,

DumpJerry
05-02-2006, 06:59 AM
The answer is a clear "yes" if you start counting the 50 years after Bevington left.

lumpyspun
05-02-2006, 08:50 AM
Depends on how many times he has Cotts pitch the 9th inning.

chisoxfanatic
05-02-2006, 08:54 AM
The answer is a clear "yes" if you start counting the 50 years after Bevington left.

So, I take it you were not happy with the manging of Jerry Manuel? :D:

ILuvThatDuck
05-02-2006, 09:17 AM
Ozzie should be considered the best because he brought what no other manager could bring in the previous 88 years.

Look at what Ditka did. A career record of 106-62, by far not the greatest record, but he won a Championship and that is why he is still considered a genious.

viagracat
05-02-2006, 09:17 AM
He helped break an 88 year drought. He helped restore Sox Pride. He's likely to get the Sox to the postseason at least two years in a row. He's fun to watch, and by all accounts he's fun to play for. He has the team playing tight, fundamental ball. If someone outdoes Ozzie in the next 50 years, boy, do I want to be around to see that!:smile:

Britt Burns
05-02-2006, 09:36 AM
I 50 years Ozzie (most likely) will be viewed as dead.

Other than that, it is waaaaaay to early to guess at something like that.

34 Inch Stick
05-02-2006, 09:46 AM
Here are two names in response to some of the remarks on this thread:

George Halas
Tony La Russa

Lip Man 1
05-02-2006, 09:51 AM
This is a misleading poll because the 2005 title is still fresh in everyone's minds.

Try doing this poll in ten years and see what the answers are.

Regardless, with respect to Ozzie, unless he wins like three titles or gets to the playoffs six or seven times during his White Sox tenure the answer is no he is not and won't be known as the 'greatest' Sox manager.

That honor is reserved for a man who had nine consecutive winning seasons, copped a pennant, finished in second place five times (when baseball was much stronger and didn't have divisions) and 'averaged' 96 wins between 1963 and 1965....AL LOPEZ.

That's not dissing Ozzie and his accomplishements. He was exactly what the franchise badly needed after Manager Gandhi....but 'the best?' In a word....no.

Lip

voodoochile
05-02-2006, 09:59 AM
Ozzie is what, 45 YO? Younger?

Odds are he will be the coach for the next 20 years at the rate he is going. I mean one of these days, JR is going to be forced to offer a seriously long term deal. It's sort of like the NY situation, everytime Steinbrenner starts ranting, he has to think about all the WS titles Torre has won and pretty much let Torre decide when to leave. The Sox aren't the Yankees and the fanbase doesn't "expect" to win it all every year. It's great that they did and obviously we all want more, but there are slightly lower expectations here than in NY with their $300M payroll and sold out 50K/game park.

Expect the Sox to be contenders each of the next 3 years. If they can pull one more rabbit out of their hat, Ozzie is a lifer...

Baby Fisk
05-02-2006, 10:08 AM
Yes. He led the Sox to the promised land. End of discussion.

MrRoboto83
05-02-2006, 10:26 AM
Ozzie is what, 45 YO? Younger?

Odds are he will be the coach for the next 20 years at the rate he is going. I mean one of these days, JR is going to be forced to offer a seriously long term deal. It's sort of like the NY situation, everytime Steinbrenner starts ranting, he has to think about all the WS titles Torre has won and pretty much let Torre decide when to leave. The Sox aren't the Yankees and the fanbase doesn't "expect" to win it all every year. It's great that they did and obviously we all want more, but there are slightly lower expectations here than in NY with their $300M payroll and sold out 50K/game park.

Expect the Sox to be contenders each of the next 3 years. If they can pull one more rabbit out of their hat, Ozzie is a lifer...

I think there are a lot of fans that expect the Sox to win it all every year from what I have read on WSI over the offseason and so far this season.

voodoochile
05-02-2006, 10:31 AM
I think there are a lot of fans that expect the Sox to win it all every year from what I have read on WSI over the offseason and so far this season.
Sure, right now, but Yankee fans expect that EVERY year going back for nearly 90 years now. Right now all of us are high as a kite on the recent devopments. I mean all of this came out of left field so quickly that we are still adapting.

Heck, we aren't even the favorite team in our own city let alone the most famous and storied franchise in the history of baseball...:rolleyes:

Edit: And the fact is Sox fans are happy when the team makes an honest effort to make the playoffs with a team that has a chance. The Yankees just expect to make the playoffs and are ticked off when they don't win it all. That's the difference in mentality I am talking about...

Mickster
05-02-2006, 10:32 AM
My answer: I always questioned Daver when he would say that Ozzie does not know how to manage a bullpen. No longer.

batmanZoSo
05-02-2006, 10:44 AM
I think he will be. He's already won a World Series and the team's rockin and rollin again, plus we have a great GM who's aggressive and knows what he's doing. We're at least set up to have a great run in this decade. I think this team will be in the mix of things for the next several years and we'll see how many more divisions and/or World Series come about.

miker
05-02-2006, 12:53 PM
Maybe if he managaes for the next 50 years and has winning teams most of those seasons...a few more World Series wins would help too!

kninchicago
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
That honor is reserved for a man who had nine consecutive winning seasons, copped a pennant, finished in second place five times (when baseball was much stronger and didn't have divisions) and 'averaged' 96 wins between 1963 and 1965....AL LOPEZ.

While I wasn't even a twinkle in anyone's eye during the Al Lopez days, I can respect and admire the days of his management from what I've read.

However, I am confident that we will see a lot more winning with Ozzie at the helm. Of course the Sox won't win the World Series every year, but I think there's quite a few more 90+ winning seasons along with division/league/WC victories ahead of us. :bandance:

Steelrod
05-02-2006, 01:31 PM
He would probably be best viewed looking down as most people don't make it into their 90's!