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PeteWard
05-01-2006, 06:36 AM
After the Sox swept Minnesota I poo-poo'd a poster or two who said that Minny was a rotten team and that the Sox need to worry about the Tigers more because the Twins were done.

I said that any of the three rivals could stay with the Sox and that Detroit hadn't proved anything. I still looked at the Twins as a tough team to beat, mostly because of that awful dome and the huge advantage it gives them.

I am not ready to eat crow yet as it is very early and I think Detroit is due for a MAJOR cooling off period. But this (from ESPN) is very bad for Minnesota:

"In the sweep, Detroit outscored Minnesota 33-1 and outhit the Twins 47-15. The Tigers became the fifth team since 1951 and the first since 2002 to outscore an opponent by 32 or more runs in a three-game series. The Angels outscored the Indians 36-4 in a three-game sweep in May of 2002. All five games on this list were American League games."

Fear the Tigers? Maybe. But I just don't think Detroit has the pitching to be a threat beyond the all star break.Their lineup is very tough but is not better than the Sox. No way.

I am very happy that Cleveland is 4.5 back and while I would settle for the road split--:bandance: esp after what happened in Anaheim-- :bandance:
putting the Tribe 6.5 back would be beautiful.

But I digress: is Minnesota history?

soxfanatlanta
05-01-2006, 08:18 AM
I think Minnisota is in deep trouble. Tori Hunter is below the Mendoza line with way too many strike outs, and the rest of the squad is not faring any better. Unless they collectively snap out of this funk, they could be in a fight for 3rd place with Detroit all season.

Keep in mind though that their pitching staff is better than what they did this past weekend; the Tigers are hitting the tar off the ball, but like you mentioned; they will cool off a bit. Still, they don't look very good at all right now. Oh, well - no loss.

MrRoboto83
05-01-2006, 08:49 AM
I think Minnisota is in deep trouble. Tori Hunter is below the Mendoza line with way too many strike outs, and the rest of the squad is not faring any better. Unless they collectively snap out of this funk, they could be in a fight for 3rd place with Detroit all season.

Keep in mind though that their pitching staff is better than what they did this past weekend; the Tigers are hitting the tar off the ball, but like you mentioned; they will cool off a bit. Still, they don't look very good at all right now. Oh, well - no loss.







I'm not counting out the Twins until at least August, there is a lot of baseball to be played and they could make a run. They have good pitching, hasn't showed yet, but I could see the Twins getting hot at some point this season.

Baby Fisk
05-01-2006, 09:00 AM
The Twinks pitching is abysmal. Santana once every five starts won't get them very far this season.

Wrap em in Spam and toss em in the fryer!

Ol' No. 2
05-01-2006, 09:58 AM
I said in January that the Twins wouldn't contend for at least three more years. When your big off-season moves are Tony Batista and Ron "DL" White, you're in deep trouble. They need to blow it up and start from scratch with young players because they don't have the resources to do it any other way. Paying Toriiiii Hunter ridiculous sums of money isn't helping. I'll be shocked if Santana finishes his contract in Minnesota.

doublem23
05-01-2006, 10:00 AM
Stick a fork in them.

Thankfully the days of being fearful of guys like Lew Ford, Michael Cuddyer, and Jesse Crain are behind us.

wdelaney72
05-01-2006, 10:13 AM
Ron "DL" White

:rolling:

I think that's even better than "AAAron Rowand"

batmanZoSo
05-01-2006, 10:23 AM
I said in January that the Twins wouldn't contend for at least three more years. When your big off-season moves are Tony Batista and Ron "DL" White, you're in deep trouble. They need to blow it up and start from scratch with young players because they don't have the resources to do it any other way. Paying Toriiiii Hunter ridiculous sums of money isn't helping. I'll be shocked if Santana finishes his contract in Minnesota.

Seriously. They're done.

Flight #24
05-01-2006, 10:30 AM
The Twinks pitching is abysmal. Santana once every five starts won't get them very far this season.

Wrap em in Spam and toss em in the fryer!

Their problem is that their 2d best starter (Liriano) is currently in the 'pen. But they can't bump him because they have far inferior guys like Silva & Lohse making more $$$ and who aren't good fits in the 'pen. And then there's Radke, who at this point is probably an OK #4, but not a #2.

They should (and IMO will) trade Hunter & anyone else with more than 4 years in bigs, throw Liriano in the rotation, call up Kubel, etc - and try to catch the lightning in a bottle they had when they had Hunter, Santana, etc all develop at once (i.e. while they were still cheap).

thepaulbowski
05-01-2006, 10:32 AM
They should (and IMO will) trade Hunter

He needs to start hitting before they can trade him, though.

Chicken Dinner
05-01-2006, 11:32 AM
The Twins are still a good club and are going to give us a challenge everytime we play them.

soxfan13
05-01-2006, 11:40 AM
He needs to start hitting before they can trade him, though.

even though he has started slow Hunter has never been a high average guy, I think hes only about a .270 career hitter. Bunch of teams would love to have him for his defense and speed

MadetoOrta
05-01-2006, 11:50 AM
What were the records last year at this time for the Oakland A's and Houston Astros? It's early to get too giddy and too early to write off a veteran team like Minnesota. I think Detroit will hang around longer than we'd like.

ma-gaga
05-01-2006, 11:50 AM
It's pretty bleak looking. The hitting sucks, the pitching sucks, the GM sucks, the manager sucks, the schedule sucks... Complete suckitude all around.

I thought the "ass-whupping" by Cleveland was bad, but justified it by it being Cleveland's opening home series, and they were just hot.

Then I thought the "ass-whupping" by the W.Sox was painful, but at least the Twins were in one of the games. And again, it was on the road against the defending World Champions...

This weekends "ass-whupping" by Detroit hurts. This weekend has got to be the lowest point of the last 4 years.

They are collectively sucking worse than last year offensively, which I thought would be impossible. What's the lowest number of runs a team has scored in the last 20 years??? I am seriously starting to think that the Twins have a shot at that. DH or no DH.

:angry: how do you spell "ass-whupping"?

viagracat
05-01-2006, 11:52 AM
If Hunter ramps it up as I'm sure he will and the pitching lives up to the potential, which I'm also sure it will, the Twins will go on a run eventually. It's too early to count out anyone, although there's little chance Minny will threaten the Sox.

Well, maybe you can count out the Royals :D:

D. TODD
05-01-2006, 03:56 PM
I hear fried twinkies are quite tasty! They may not be fully cooked yet, but they are dangerously close to the deep frier.

Jaffar
05-01-2006, 04:08 PM
I hear fried twinkies are quite tasty! They may not be fully cooked yet, but they are dangerously close to the deep frier.
I was just going to comment on how good deep fried twinkies are. They are instant little heart attacks but darn good. Deep fried milky ways are great too!

SoxSpeed22
05-01-2006, 04:26 PM
What were the records last year at this time for the Oakland A's and Houston Astros? It's early to get too giddy and too early to write off a veteran team like Minnesota. I think Detroit will hang around longer than we'd like.The difference is that the pitching was always there for those two teams, but the offense had to come around, also Berkman and Crosby were hurt.
In Minny's case, the hitting and pitching are nowhere to be found. Radke, Silva and Loshe all have ERAs higher than 8. Baker has shown some flashes of brilliance. Their bullpen is also sucking and Joe Nathan only has 7 innings pitched because he's rarely in a save situation.
I would say they're in the frier, but not cooked until they're cooked.

tick53
05-01-2006, 06:44 PM
I don't think they are our biggest threat anymore.

Realist
05-01-2006, 06:51 PM
CBS Sportsline lights the Twins up pretty good in its power rankings analysis.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/powerrankings

FarWestChicago
05-01-2006, 08:08 PM
The Twins are still a good club and are going to give us a challenge everytime we play them.Chicken Dinner, the poor man's HomeFish. :redneck

Brian26
05-01-2006, 09:04 PM
After the Sox swept Minnesota I poo-poo'd a poster or two who said that Minny was a rotten team and that the Sox need to worry about the Tigers more because the Twins were done.


http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70052&highlight=twins+talk

You weren't as adamant as OldRoman, but you can bet I'm saving this thread to pull up later this year :D:

Mohoney
05-02-2006, 12:17 AM
I see the Twins as a 4th place, 90+ loss team that will finish 10th or lower in most significant offensive categories. I think that Brad Radke is teetering on the edge of being washed-up, and we all know that Kyle Lohse is about as mediocre as it gets. I'm predicting losing records this season from both of these guys.

I would be surprised (and frankly, disappointed) if we lost more than 5 games against them head-to-head this season.

JB98
05-02-2006, 12:27 AM
I figured the Twins would struggle to score runs. The surprise is how poor their pitching staff has looked. Radke, Silva and Lohse are all throwing batting practice. Santana, for all the hype he gets, has one stinking win over the lowly Royals.

It's too early to write someone off completely, but IMO, Minnesota is in for a long year.

bigfoot
05-02-2006, 08:33 PM
I hear fried twinkies are quite tasty! They may not be fully cooked yet, but they are dangerously close to the deep frier.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:_-AJPNsD1sP4HM:http://www.abekleinfeld.com/images/Patty%2520%26%2520Kids%2520Visit%25206-05/Deep-Fried-Twinkies-6-05.jpg (http://www.abekleinfeld.com/images/Patty%20&%20Kids%20Visit%206-05/Deep-Fried-Twinkies-6-05.jpg)

What a country!

Lip Man 1
05-02-2006, 09:06 PM
It's still to early to count anyone out, give it another month, but Minnesota definitely looks to be on the downward slide of things.

Lip

Rooney4Prez56
05-03-2006, 12:50 PM
Minnesota was never very good, they just had the fortune of being the best in a mediocre division. The Sox were good, but they didn't have what it took to get over the hump. Now that Minnesota has actual challengers, they don't know what to do.

Murphy10
05-03-2006, 11:56 PM
I could see them getting hot after the allstar break, but then kind of going away as the sox and indians battle it out.

QCIASOXFAN
05-04-2006, 12:13 AM
Minnesota was never very good, they just had the fortune of being the best in a mediocre division. The Sox were good, but they didn't have what it took to get over the hump. Now that Minnesota has actual challengers, they don't know what to do. I think they were pretty good at one time, but I definitely see were you are coming from. Now that they got 3 teams that are better then them in there division there done now. Detroit owns the Twins this year and in the past it was the other way around. So yes they are done.

Foulke You
05-04-2006, 11:59 PM
It's pretty bleak looking. The hitting sucks, the pitching sucks, the GM sucks, the manager sucks, the schedule sucks... Complete suckitude all around.

I thought the "ass-whupping" by Cleveland was bad, but justified it by it being Cleveland's opening home series, and they were just hot.

Then I thought the "ass-whupping" by the W.Sox was painful, but at least the Twins were in one of the games. And again, it was on the road against the defending World Champions...

This weekends "ass-whupping" by Detroit hurts. This weekend has got to be the lowest point of the last 4 years.

They are collectively sucking worse than last year offensively, which I thought would be impossible. What's the lowest number of runs a team has scored in the last 20 years??? I am seriously starting to think that the Twins have a shot at that. DH or no DH.

:angry: how do you spell "ass-whupping"?
I have to say that overall, I'm very surprised at how poor the Twins have done this year. I knew they weren't going to set any offensive records but what has been shocking is the complete lack of pitching in Minnesota this year, Santana included! The Twins have been getting shelled and shelled hard.

What's going on there with the pitching in Minny, Ma Gaga? Is Santana tipping his pitches like they say? Is Radke finally aging? Silva returning to his Philly days? Just curious. I actually felt that Minny would be more of a threat than the Tribe this year because of their good pitching staff but it seems that has abandoned them.:?:

I totally agree that both Radke and Torii Hunter could be gone if the Twins continue to play this poorly all year. Hunter has expressed his desire to play on a winner many times. He can always play on the South Side if Brian Anderson doesn't pan out.

Flight #24
05-05-2006, 12:46 AM
Get shut out by the Royals = cooked. Bye bye Twinkies, see you in 2-3 years. Toriiiiiiiii, enjoy your last month or so in Minny. Same with you Radke/Silva/Lohse/Castillo. I'd include RonDL, but he won't last. And the only way someone trades for Ruben Sierra is if by some freak of fate, Julio Franco goes down.

Baby Fisk
05-05-2006, 09:17 AM
Seriously that rotation needs to be blown up.

ma-gaga
05-05-2006, 03:21 PM
What's going on there with the pitching in Minny, Ma Gaga? Is Santana tipping his pitches like they say? Is Radke finally aging? Silva returning to his Philly days?

The whole team is struggling. The hitters suck, and the pitching can't get into a groove. When you lose freaking 1-0 games to the Royals, there are some serious problems. I think the pitching is struggling because the offense is not giving them a chance. They've been shutout 3 of their last 7 games!?!? That's rediculous.

Pitching wise; Santana always struggles out of the gate. However, his last 3 starts have been very quietly dominant. He actually pitched well against the W.Sox, but went a half inning too long, and his bullpen didn't do him any favors. I think Santana's going to quietly rack up 200+ strikeouts and dominate again. Quietly.

Radke ... I don't know what too say, he's one of my favorite all-time players, but he's missing spots, and he is getting killed by the HR ball.

Silva, is reliant on his defense, and the Twins have downgraded at 3rd, SS, and LF defensively. And it shows.

Lohse cannot put his **** together. It sucks. He's like Garland was 2 years ago, but he's never turned a corner.

Baker has been better than advertised. I'm pretty happy when he's out there. He's going to be a nice little player.

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But the lack of offense means that the pitching needs to hold teams to 1 or 2 runs per game, and they are not relaxing, or getting into a groove.

Personally I put the majority of the blame on the Manager... But there's a lot of blame to go around.

:cool:

palehozenychicty
05-05-2006, 03:26 PM
He can always play on the South Side if Brian Anderson doesn't pan out.

What's scary is that this fool probably wants to play for us, since he mentioned that he wanted the sox to win the title last year. But Kenny will never let that happen, since Jamie Burke still has a scar on his head.

Baby Fisk
05-05-2006, 03:41 PM
What's scary is that this fool probably wants to play for us, since he mentioned that he wanted the sox to win the title last year. But Kenny will never let that happen, since Jamie Burke still has a scar on his head.

Dr. Hibbard: "Mr. Burke, you've lost five per cent of your brain."
All: *laughter*
Burke: "Me lose brain? Uh-oh!"
All: *laughter*
Burke: "Why I laugh?"

palehozenychicty
05-05-2006, 03:43 PM
Dr. Hibbard: "Mr. Burke, you've lost five per cent of your brain."
All: *laughter*
Burke: "Me lose brain? Uh-oh!"
All: *laughter*
Burke: "Why I laugh?"

:rolling:

Craziness!