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chisoxfanatic
04-30-2006, 09:11 PM
It seems Garland is not 100% comfortable out there. He seems to be pressing too much, he seems nervous to be out there from time to time, and his releases are out of synch. This is not the Jon Garland we grew to love last year. He should be thankful that this offense has backed him up so great this year.

I personally think he should spend some personal time with Coop to get his pitches back. He can be a top-line pitcher if he can regroup and get back to the basics and fundamentals that won him 18 games last year.

ilsox7
04-30-2006, 09:16 PM
I would be absolutely shocked if Jon is not already spending a considerable amount of time with Coop. He actually did not look too bad today. Obviosuly not great, but overall I thought today's start was not a step back. Luckily, he's really been the only weak link in the rotation, which gives him another month or two, at least, to get things back to where they need to be.

viagracat
04-30-2006, 09:19 PM
He seemed to have some problems establishing the inside corner early and some location problems throughout the game, but I think overall he pitched OK. He's not a guy I'm too worried about.

SOecks
04-30-2006, 09:27 PM
I don't know why but I'm not concerned about Garland right now at all. I really think he'll pick it up soon. If you asked me what my biggest concern was right now it would be Pods on the basepaths/health. Aside from that I'm good, except I want to see more of Thornton's nasty stuff.

oeo
04-30-2006, 09:29 PM
He seemed to have some problems establishing the inside corner early and some location problems throughout the game, but I think overall he pitched OK. He's not a guy I'm too worried about.

I don't know why he keeps trying to nibble the outside. His whole philosphy last year was to beat them inside, and he won 18 games. This year he comes in and just nibbles, nibbles, nibbles and they're just taking it the other way on him. I'm confused with the change. :?:

TornLabrum
04-30-2006, 09:37 PM
I don't know why he keeps trying to nibble the outside. His whole philosphy last year was to beat them inside, and he won 18 games. This year he comes in and just nibbles, nibbles, nibbles and they're just taking it the other way on him. I'm confused with the change. :?:

:nardi

"I talked to Jon during the offseason to get him back on track."

QCIASOXFAN
04-30-2006, 09:41 PM
I think that D.J. nailed it like 300 times today during the ballgame, he is not going inside as much as he was last year to hitters. Last year he would saw people off all day inside and then go outside and hitters would have no chance. Why hes not doing that this year I have no idea, but I am not going to get to worried about it because I think that he will be fine.

mmmmmbeeer
04-30-2006, 10:17 PM
Jon seems to be the guy pitching most often with the "sunday lineups". I wonder if this messes with his confidence? Also, if I'm not mistaken, Widge has caught him a few times this season, perhaps he just works better with AJ. He didn't look horrible today, but certainly not the Jon of early '05. He's definitely not going inside enough. I really don't understand why Coop, Oz, AJ, or Widge aren't forcing him to go inside more. It seems popular consensus both here and on the other Sox board that that is the main issue. DJ was talking about it today. I find it hard to believe that the coaching staff and catchers haven't confronted Jon on the subject.

Still though, if he's the "weak link" in the rotation, we're still in pretty damn good shape.

chisoxfanatic
04-30-2006, 10:41 PM
Jon seems to be the guy pitching most often with the "sunday lineups". I wonder if this messes with his confidence?

He's still getting tons of run support there. That should actually improve his confidence.

DumpJerry
04-30-2006, 10:44 PM
Jon seems to be the guy pitching most often with the "sunday lineups". I wonder if this messes with his confidence? Also, if I'm not mistaken, Widge has caught him a few times this season, perhaps he just works better with AJ. He didn't look horrible today, but certainly not the Jon of early '05. He's definitely not going inside enough. I really don't understand why Coop, Oz, AJ, or Widge aren't forcing him to go inside more. It seems popular consensus both here and on the other Sox board that that is the main issue. DJ was talking about it today. I find it hard to believe that the coaching staff and catchers haven't confronted Jon on the subject.

Still though, if he's the "weak link" in the rotation, we're still in pretty damn good shape.
I was thinking today, too, that he seems to get Widger and not AJ for his starts. That can make a big difference.

oeo
04-30-2006, 10:55 PM
I was thinking today, too, that he seems to get Widger and not AJ for his starts. That can make a big difference.
Widger isn't a bad catcher, I can't see that as a problem. And besides, if my memory serves me correctly he has gotten a TON of run support. Almost 20 runs in his first two starts, and he got more today.

getonbckthr
05-01-2006, 01:02 AM
This is just an idea maybe for a few starts switch Bmac and Garland. The reason for this is maybe this will help Jon focus more when he realizes that at any given time he could lose his spot in the rotation because we have a guy who could do just as good if not better waiting.

hawkjt
05-01-2006, 03:04 AM
I thought he threw the ball well today. Cabrera has his number and really hurt him but otherwise no one really looked great against him.

I even thought he did throw inside a bit more today. AJ got all the credit from hawk for getting him to throw inside last year but now I never hear hawk saying AJ should get him back inside there when AJ had caught him.

Gar kept us in the game and we won and that is what his job is.

SoxFan76
05-01-2006, 03:44 AM
Garland is pissing me off.

He needs to quit being a jerk (the word I wanted to use wasn't taken out by the language filter) and pitch inside. :angry:

soxfanatlanta
05-01-2006, 08:38 AM
What is his velocity like these days? Could that be the reason why he is not busting batters inside this year?

Just a thought.

DumpJerry
05-01-2006, 08:59 AM
What is his velocity like these days? Could that be the reason why he is not busting batters inside this year?

Just a thought.



I long for the days before the radar gun was made public and we never knew about a pitcher's velocity (except for Nolan Ryan and Goose Gossage). Back then we focused on quality, not speed. These days, with the exception of Mark Buehrle, the discussion seems to start and end with "velocity." A lot of excellent control pitchers are not getting a fair shake because they can't punch a hole in tissue paper.

Ok done with the diversion, back to our regularly scheduled debate about Garland....

batmanZoSo
05-01-2006, 09:58 AM
I don't know why he keeps trying to nibble the outside. His whole philosphy last year was to beat them inside, and he won 18 games. This year he comes in and just nibbles, nibbles, nibbles and they're just taking it the other way on him. I'm confused with the change. :?:

If it works, change it. :rolleyes:

He's got to pitch inside a lot or he won't be very successful, period. Stop nibbling!

alohafri
05-01-2006, 10:32 AM
Garland is pissing me off.



Every team needs a number five starter, and Garland is making his case to be ours.

SBSoxFan
05-01-2006, 11:09 AM
I thought he threw the ball well today. Cabrera has his number and really hurt him but otherwise no one really looked great against him.

I even thought he did throw inside a bit more today. AJ got all the credit from hawk for getting him to throw inside last year but now I never hear hawk saying AJ should get him back inside there when AJ had caught him.

Gar kept us in the game and we won and that is what his job is.
Yep, he only gave up 2 hits in 7 innings to guys not named Cabrera. And from what I heard on the radio, the 2nd run in the first inning wouldn't have scored had Crede gotten the ball out of his glove cleanly.

BeviBall!
05-01-2006, 11:18 AM
Garland is pissing me off.

He needs to quit being a jerk. :angry:

He's also a big meany and a stupid poo-poo head!!!

PaulDrake
05-01-2006, 11:26 AM
I long for the days before the radar gun was made public and we never knew about a pitcher's velocity (except for Nolan Ryan and Goose Gossage). Back then we focused on quality, not speed. These days, with the exception of Mark Buehrle, the discussion seems to start and end with "velocity." A lot of excellent control pitchers are not getting a fair shake because they can't punch a hole in tissue paper.

Ok done with the diversion, back to our regularly scheduled debate about Garland.... I hate the radar gun and (gasp!) pitch counts. I never thought of Garland as a power pitcher. Some here say he's not going inside enough. I don't think he's showing his best sinker so far this year.

Chicken Dinner
05-01-2006, 11:29 AM
Garland clearly is having control problems. He's not pitching inside because he can't control where the ball is going. That's also why he's throwing so many homerun balls. Maybe it's all that money that he has in his pockets. :o:

SoxFan76
05-01-2006, 02:55 PM
He's also a big meany and a stupid poo-poo head!!!

lol! I used a much harsher word but it wasn't taken out by the language filter and I didn't want to risk it.

spiffie
05-01-2006, 03:03 PM
Yep, he only gave up 2 hits in 7 innings to guys not named Cabrera.
And Santana only gave up 4 runs in 7 innings to guys not named Widger.

Garland needs to pitch with confidence, and not be afraid to go after guys inside. The velocity seems to be there, the movement is okay, but when it's always outside even a good moving pitch is easier to hit if you only feel like you have to cover 1/2 the plate.

I do wonder if not having AJ in there as often has hurt him. Widger might be more reluctant to challenge Garland about what Jon wants to throw, whereas I can't imagine AJ having any problem telling him to buck up and start putting it in on some guys.

Ol' No. 2
05-01-2006, 03:26 PM
And Santana only gave up 4 runs in 7 innings to guys not named Widger.

Garland needs to pitch with confidence, and not be afraid to go after guys inside. The velocity seems to be there, the movement is okay, but when it's always outside even a good moving pitch is easier to hit if you only feel like you have to cover 1/2 the plate.

I do wonder if not having AJ in there as often has hurt him. Widger might be more reluctant to challenge Garland about what Jon wants to throw, whereas I can't imagine AJ having any problem telling him to buck up and start putting it in on some guys.

Garland was doing the same thing in his last start on Monday when Pierzynski was catching. He's got the ball and there's no way on earth to make him throw it where he doesn't want to throw it. When you know it's coming, a pitch on the outside corner has to be the easiest pitch there is to hit. You just reach out and poke it into RF. After the first couple of innings he was throwing inside more. Unfortunately, Judy is still not gone for good.