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Viva Medias B's
04-27-2006, 08:15 AM
Recently, speculation about baseball announcers drinking on the job has appeared in these forums. In John Rooney-related threads, mention of Cardinal partner Mike Shannon being an on the job drinker was mentioned. Also, some have speculated that Hawk drinks when DJ is doing the play-by-play. I've seen references (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5170&highlight=mike+shannon+drunk) to Shannon drinking made in the Cards Clubhouse board too.

Of course, Harry Caray was the poster child of drinking on the job. Where do you think the famous "It's so hot, the third baseman is Melton" line came from? Also, I have video proof of Harry drinking on the air. It happened to be the first attempted night game at The Shrine when Harry with in the booth with Bill Melton and (IIRC) Bill Murray. WGN shows a shot of the three of them with Harry taking a sip of Budweiser and saying "It's a warm night."

mike squires
04-27-2006, 09:17 AM
Not that I belive it but in Steve Stone's book, he claims Harry NEVER drank while in the booth.

comet2k
04-27-2006, 09:18 AM
A friend who is a Cardinals fan says Jack Buck got a lot more air time than he expected when he was Caray's young sidekick in St. Louis. That was because during doubleheaders Harry would be in the bag by early in the second game, and Buck had to take over the microphone. Helped Buck's career and did nothing to hurt Caray's.

When Caray announced day games from the center field bleachers at Comiskey Park, didn't he drink beer?

Howard Cosell once got smashed on Monday Night Football, rerportedly trying to overcome the effects of a cold. Legend has it that he threw up on Don Meredith's cowboy boots before disappearing from the booth in the second half.

getonbckthr
04-27-2006, 09:22 AM
If I was announcing Pirate and Royal games I think I would have to drink to keep myself interested.:D:

Chicken Dinner
04-27-2006, 09:51 AM
I thought Harry drank Fallstaff, or a least when he was with the Sox.

LongLiveFisk
04-27-2006, 10:07 AM
Not that I belive it but in Steve Stone's book, he claims Harry NEVER drank while in the booth.

With all due respect to Stone....

:whoflungpoo

...I find that VERY hard to believe.

viagracat
04-27-2006, 11:14 AM
:beer I thought Harry drank Fallstaff, or a least when he was with the Sox.

I think I would have to drink in the booth if I was working with Jimmy Piersall.

soxfan13
04-27-2006, 11:19 AM
Not that I belive it but in Steve Stone's book, he claims Harry NEVER drank while in the booth.

He might not have drank in the booth but he definately did when they did broadcast in the outfield.

Nellie_Fox
04-27-2006, 11:41 AM
An afternoon with Harry broadcasting from the centerfield bleachers:

Fan: Hey, Haaarryyyyyyyy!

Harry: Thank ya, Buddy! A fan just bought me an ice-cold Falstaff.

Repeat about every ten minutes.

Lip Man 1
04-27-2006, 12:26 PM
I would sit near Harry in the center field bleachers at Comiskey Park when he would broadcast from there. (Used to be on Wednesday afternoon games...)

I can tell you in fact Harry drank during the games. I personally saw it.

Lip

kittle42
04-27-2006, 12:53 PM
Harry Doyle drinks on the job.

Vernam
04-27-2006, 01:03 PM
During the '05 World Series, I met a woman who works for the MLB Spanish-language broadcast team. Not sure what her title was, but she said they had someone whose main job was to keep the announcers stocked with beer. She said they really packed it away.

It's only a matter of time before someone suggests that Singleton begins drinking heavily. That's certainly the effect he's had on me. :o:

I don't think Harry made much of a secret that he drank during Sox broadcasts. Anyone else remember the Falstaff commercials that starred Sam Elliott?

Vernam

LongLiveFisk
04-27-2006, 01:59 PM
I would sit near Harry in the center field bleachers at Comiskey Park when he would broadcast from there. (Used to be on Wednesday afternoon games...)

I can tell you in fact Harry drank during the games. I personally saw it.

Lip

So THAT'S the loophole. Harry wasn't actually "in the booth" when he drank from the CF bleachers. :rolleyes:

DaleJRFan
04-27-2006, 02:20 PM
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:Pbm0SVnVSSeaAM:http://www.frohnau-flamingos.de/oldpage/icon/film/doylrum2.jpg

"Hey, who says you can't drink in the booth, eh???"

viagracat
04-27-2006, 02:23 PM
Do/did MLB teams prohibit their broadcasters from drinking in the booth? I'm guessing that at least back in the old days, at least some teams didn't particularly care, especially if a living legend was doing the games, like Caray and as long as the broadcast quality didn't suffer too much. I'm also guessing most, if not all, teams, frown on that today, but I don't know.

SouthSide_HitMen
04-27-2006, 02:28 PM
I think Singleton could use a couple of beers / cocktails before doing PBP.

Farmer should not drink - he would talk even more (about everything except what is happening on the field).

comet2k
04-27-2006, 02:44 PM
Do/did MLB teams prohibit their broadcasters from drinking in the booth? I'm guessing that at least back in the old days, at least some teams didn't particularly care, especially if a living legend was doing the games, like Caray and as long as the broadcast quality didn't suffer too much. I'm also guessing most, if not all, teams, frown on that today, but I don't know.

My guess is that there is no specific language in their contracts, but they wouldnt get hired if there were concerns about them drinking on the job. Caray worked in a different era and pretty much under his own rules. Today, a slip of the tongue can get an announcer fired, even if they haven't been drinking.

BTW, I'm sure there are a lot of fans on this board who think they could do a better job than Farmer or Singleton, but how would they like going to all those games and not be able to drink? :D:

miker
04-27-2006, 02:44 PM
I am all for it...and not necessarily just baseball announcers either! :gulp:

lostletters
04-27-2006, 02:48 PM
My guess is that there is no specific language in their contracts, but they wouldnt get hired if there were concerns about them drinking on the job. Caray worked in a different era and pretty much under his own rules. Today, a slip of the tongue can get an announcer fired, even if they haven't been drinking.

BTW, I'm sure there are a lot of fans on this board who think they could do a better job than Farmer or Singleton, but how would they like going to all those games and not be able to drink? :D:

I do not drink during the games. I can probably do the play by play without drinking a single beer.
I literally go to games to watch them play.

I don't know what I would do without my best kosher hot dog though.

comet2k
04-27-2006, 03:01 PM
I do not drink during the games. I can probably do the play by play without drinking a single beer.
I literally go to games to watch them play.

I don't know what I would do without my best kosher hot dog though.

Make sure the hot dog clause is written into your contract!

I don't drink at games either -- not with Miller Blight going for $6. Does that mean you and I could be a broadcast team?

Nellie_Fox
04-27-2006, 03:04 PM
I do not drink during the games. I can probably do the play by play without drinking a single beer.
I literally go to games to watch them play.

I don't know what I would do without my best kosher hot dog though.I'm with you. I used to drink beer at ballgames, but I won't pay the price for warm, flat, cheap beer anymore. And I do love the kosher dogs.

patbooyah
04-27-2006, 03:26 PM
I'm with you. I used to drink beer at ballgames, but I won't pay the price for warm, flat, cheap beer anymore. And I do love the kosher dogs.

you guys need to get a pair of barnoculars!

http://www.soberhookup.com/barnoculars.jpg

EastCoastSoxFan
04-27-2006, 03:26 PM
I am all for it...and not necessarily just baseball announcers either! :gulp:
There are some funny stories along these lines in the book "Baseball Anecdotes."
One particularly funny one concerned Hack Wilson, although I don't recall whether he was still on the Cubs at the time of this anecdote.
Anyway, as the story goes, Hack Wilson would occasionally drink during games, sometimes to excess; and one day he was out in right field, barely able to stand up, when his team's pitcher gave up a home run.
The manager came out to the mound to remove the pitcher from the game, and the pitcher was so angry that he threw the ball against the outfield wall before the manager could take it from him. The sound of the ball rattling off the metal outfield wall immediately snapped Hack Wilson out of his drunken stupor; and he ran back, fielded the ball, and fired a perfect throw to the second baseman -- "a hell of a play", as the infielder later recalled -- while teammates and fans nearly fell down laughing.
As I said, I don't remember if he was on the Flubs when this supposedly happened (I believe he finished his career with the Giants); but it's still a pretty good story...

comet2k
04-27-2006, 03:35 PM
There are some funny stories along these lines in the book "Baseball Anecdotes."
One particularly funny one concerned Hack Wilson, although I don't recall whether he was still on the Cubs at the time of this anecdote.
Anyway, as the story goes, Hack Wilson would occasionally drink during games, sometimes to excess; and one day he was out in right field, barely able to stand up, when his team's pitcher gave up a home run.
The manager came out to the mound to remove the pitcher from the game, and the pitcher was so angry that he threw the ball against the outfield wall before the manager could take it from him. The sound of the ball rattling off the metal outfield wall immediately snapped Hank Wilson out of his drunken stupor; and he ran back, fielded the ball, and fired a perfect throw to the second baseman -- "a hell of a play", as the infielder later recalled -- while teammates and fans nearly fell down laughing.
As I said, I don't remember if he was on the Flubs when this supposedly happened (I believe he finished his career with the Giants); but it's still a pretty good story...

That's a great story!

JohnBasedowYoda
04-27-2006, 06:31 PM
I think Singleton could use a couple of beers / cocktails before doing PBP.

Farmer should not drink - he would talk even more (about everything except what is happening on the field).


Farmio never drinks. He's got some health issues. Forgot what they are but it has something to do with him getting a liver or kidney transplant.

MikeLove
04-27-2006, 06:58 PM
you guys need to get a pair of barnoculars!

http://www.soberhookup.com/barnoculars.jpg

haha that owns on so many levels

Brian26
04-27-2006, 08:28 PM
Of course, Harry Caray was the poster child of drinking on the job. Where do you think the famous "It's so hot, the third baseman is Melton" line came from? Also, I have video proof of Harry drinking on the air. It happened to be the first attempted night game at The Shrine when Harry with in the booth with Bill Melton and (IIRC) Bill Murray. WGN shows a shot of the three of them with Harry taking a sip of Budweiser and saying "It's a warm night."

Bill Melton was in the booth on 8/8/88? I don't recall that.

gbergman
04-27-2006, 08:44 PM
i have drank at 2 baseball games since i was 16 when i got my first fake id. unless i was with a girl or a group of friends who want to drink during the game i will not drink, as beer is riduculous and i would rather enjoy the game then worry about getting drunk

Viva Medias B's
04-27-2006, 09:35 PM
Bill Melton was in the booth on 8/8/88? I don't recall that.

No. The 8/8/88 game and the Melton comment were unrelated, except for the beer. Harry made the Melton comment on WSNS during an early '70s Sox game when they were in Kansas City on a hot day. Also, I have an old audio recording of the Sox playing the Brewers in Milwaukee. On it is Harry doing a live read for Stroh's and ending it with "Let's enjoy a cold Stroh's together!"

TornLabrum
04-27-2006, 09:42 PM
Farmio never drinks. He's got some health issues. Forgot what they are but it has something to do with him getting a liver or kidney transplant.

Kidney

Brian26
04-27-2006, 10:04 PM
Also, I have video proof of Harry drinking on the air. It happened to be the first attempted night game at The Shrine when Harry with in the booth with Bill Melton and (IIRC) Bill Murray. WGN shows a shot of the three of them with Harry taking a sip of Budweiser and saying "It's a warm night."

To me, this sounds like Harry Caray, Bill Melton and Bill Murray were in the booth on 8/8/88. Did you mean to say Steve Stone instead of Bill Melton?

Palehose13
04-27-2006, 10:12 PM
i have drank at 2 baseball games since i was 16 when i got my first fake id. unless i was with a girl or a group of friends who want to drink during the game i will not drink, as beer is riduculous and i would rather enjoy the game then worry about getting drunk

Dude...you're not even legal! :cool:

PKalltheway
04-27-2006, 11:18 PM
There have been rumors here in Cincinnati for years that former Reds radio broadcaster Joe Nuxhall drank in the booth. Sometimes he would make glaring mistakes (once I heard him call the Milwaukee Brewers the Milwaukee Braves twice in the same game!):o:

Edward
04-27-2006, 11:34 PM
Harry Caray... ahh the memories... My father was the executive chef at the urinal for 5 years in the 80's. He tells me stories, and this one comes to mind reading this post.

The Cubs used to allow, and provide, beer in the press room. Harry would come down and eat his lunch and have a few beers to watch it all down. Then some big wig outlawed alcohol in the press room. What on Earth did Harry do? Pack his own beer and have my Dad deliver his lunch to the booth every afternoon (This was before Wrigley had lights). He also had a golf cart that he drove around Wrigley (assumingly drunk) to get from place to place.

On a side note: One time Harry ordered Root Beer from the kitchen, they didn't have any on that specific day, and afraid to upset Caray, my Dad had them send up a Pepsi instead. My old man said Harry raved for weeks about how he had "The best rootbeer hes ever tasted" a few days ago :D:

ComiskeyBrewer
04-28-2006, 05:19 AM
Harry Doyle drinks on the job.

So does his Alter-ego.

http://www.geocities.com/slapdog74/miller7-0329.jpg

EastCoastSoxFan
04-28-2006, 09:44 AM
Another drinking ballplayer anecdote:
Paul Waner was a HOF player who supposedly took to drinking during games late in his career, and on one occasion he managed to hit a gapper to right center. He apparently had his mind made up to try for a triple all the way; but as he was rounding second and looking over his shoulder trying to ascertain whether there would be a play at third he apparently took a bit of a wide turn and ended up sliding into the bullpen, some sixty feet away from his intended destination...

PatK
04-28-2006, 09:47 AM
Not that I belive it but in Steve Stone's book, he claims Harry NEVER drank while in the booth.

He's gotta be lying.

I was at a Cubs-Mets double header in 1984 and I remember my brother in I would constantly look into the pressbox with our binoculars to see Harry drink.

He was stacking up his beercups frat-boy style. By the middle of the second game, we could barely see him from behind his stacks of cups.

Fenway
08-01-2007, 02:35 PM
Not that I belive it but in Steve Stone's book, he claims Harry NEVER drank while in the booth.

I saw Harry drunk out of his mind in the Pink Poodle 15 minutes after a game]

http://mike.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/180px-caray_the_gibberian.jpg

soxfan43
08-01-2007, 02:51 PM
Rooneys partner in St louis sounds like he's wasted. I got that MLB audio thing, so I listen to random games at work, that dude always sounds drunk.

jackbrohamer
08-01-2007, 03:07 PM
It was obvious to anyone listening that Harry would get absolutely hammered when he announced double headers for the Sox in the 1970s. And given how drunk he often was, it was probably something much stronger than Falstaff.

Fenway
08-01-2007, 03:11 PM
In 1972 the Red Sox hired John MacLean for radio and he was fired a month later for being drunk all the time. Replaced by Dave Martin who at one time did the White Sox.

HawkDJ
08-01-2007, 07:09 PM
Ok, he was a guest but close enough to enjoy this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6shTX_7xkM

Nellie_Fox
08-02-2007, 12:18 AM
Was it really necessary to bring this thread back after over a year? Fenway, you should know better.