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Nellie_Fox
04-22-2006, 02:33 PM
In today's St. Paul Pioneer Press, there is a column by Tom Powers about the heated rivalry between the Sox and Twins. In it is this:
Ozzie Guillen is a good manager who is prone to flashbacks. He gets a funny look in his eyes, and suddenly, it's July 26, 2004. That's the day... Torii Hunter crushed catcher Jamie Burke...

He's still upset that none of his players retaliated...

"You have a teammate get crushed like that and nobody no nothing? If that happened today, I guarantee it would be pretty interesting..."

He recalled how two of his players -- Carlos Lee and Aaron Rowand -- had an opportunity later in the game to take out Twins second baseman Luis Rivas during double-play pivots. Neither did.

Lee and Rowand are no longer with the team.

"Listen, I know what players we had in the past," Guillen said. "I don't want those players anymore."
I was a little surprised by the Rowand criticism.

The article is not yet up on their website www.twincities.com (http://www.twincities.com), but probably will be tomorrow or Monday.

nasox
04-22-2006, 02:40 PM
I believe he was reffering to those "general types" of players when he said he didn't want those players anymore instead of saying he specifically did not want Rowand and Lee.

CleeFan101
04-22-2006, 02:40 PM
It sounds misquoted.... he never mentioned Rowand and they are using what he said last year and adding Aaron into the mix. Also its the Minnesota paper and not the Chicago ones which makes it more bs.

lloyder
04-22-2006, 02:40 PM
Sounds to me like a local paper trying to stir up some controversy against the team that they still feel is their biggest rival, when in reality the Twins are just a fading headlight in our rearview mirror...

jdm2662
04-22-2006, 02:43 PM
Sounds to me like a local paper trying to stir up some controversy against the team that they still feel is their biggest rival, when in reality the Twins are just a fading headlight in our rearview mirror...

That's all it is. Ozzie never holds back his comments, and there is no direct quote mentioning Rowand's name, nor was his name ever suggested until now.

samram
04-22-2006, 02:46 PM
I think Guillen is thinking only of Lee- the article mentioned both, but we've heard so much about how Rowand seems to be the one guy Ozzie misses that I can't imagine he's including ARow in that criticism.

NDSox12
04-22-2006, 02:53 PM
Let it be shown, while the article did indicate Ozzie recalled Rowand and Lee specifically, it did not quote him on that. That looks like a case of the writer putting words in Ozzie's mouth.

I agree that the writer is trying to stir up a controversy that absolutely does not exist.

Nellie_Fox
04-22-2006, 02:58 PM
I agree that the writer is trying to stir up a controversy that absolutely does not exist.You really need to read the whole article when it comes online. This excerpt is only a very small part of it, and none of the rest is about Ozzie criticizing anyone on the team. The column is just about the rivalry and how hot it has been, and how it could erupt again. His only point was that Ozzie wants guys who will fire back.

I didn't see it as any attempt to stir up controversy since it was such a minor part of the column. The minor part only jumped out at me as I read it because I'm a Sox fan. Twins fans might not even have picked up on it.

RKMeibalane
04-22-2006, 03:06 PM
Twins fans might not even have picked up on it.

If you ask me, Twins fans don't pick up on a lot of things, but I would guess that you've seen that for yourself during your time in Minnesota. :cool:

NDSox12
04-22-2006, 03:07 PM
You really need to read the whole article when it comes online. This excerpt is only a very small part of it, and none of the rest is about Ozzie criticizing anyone on the team. The column is just about the rivalry and how hot it has been, and how it could erupt again. His only point was that Ozzie wants guys who will fire back.

I didn't see it as any attempt to stir up controversy since it was such a minor part of the column. The minor part only jumped out at me as I read it because I'm a Sox fan. Twins fans might not even have picked up on it.

Ok... you are probably right. I was just a little annoyed by the excerpt you gave because it seemed to directly imply that Ozzie doesn't want players like Lee and Rowand on his team. If he truly thinks that, I have to wonder how many guys on the current roster are really more likely to fire back than Aaron Rowand was. I don't recall the retaliation opportunities from that particular game though.

Since that was just a minor part of the article, I will retract my earlier comment and let it slide.

chisoxfanatic
04-22-2006, 03:23 PM
Ozzie made that statement nearly right after it happened! They're making it seem like a recent quote just to stir the pot. It was directed solely towards Carlos Lee, or at least that's what I thought. He never had any bad blood with Rowand during Rowands entire stay here.

DickAllen72
04-22-2006, 03:27 PM
I believe he was reffering to those "general types" of players when he said he didn't want those players anymore instead of saying he specifically did not want Rowand and Lee.

I remember a day or two after that play when Ozzie criicized unnamed Sox players for not sliding hard during double plays in the Hunter/Burke game, Aaron said he approached Guillen face to face and asked if he was referring to him. Aaron said Ozzie replied, "No, I wasn't referring to you." Both Rowand and Lee were involved in DP situations that game, and niether slid hard into second.

Nothing Ozzie says surprises me, anyway.

kevin57
04-22-2006, 03:29 PM
I would be surprised and saddened if Ozzie is calling out Rowand. I knew about his dissatisfaction with Lee for not having evened up the score in that game, but I had never heard Rowand's name being uttered in the same breath.

TDog
04-22-2006, 03:35 PM
Ozzie doesn't hold back and has an interesting command of English. Last year after a game in which AJ hit a big home run, he said his catcher was "crying like a little baby" before he told him to just hit the ball.

viagracat
04-22-2006, 03:36 PM
You know, Ozzie says a lot of ****, so he's a natural target for quotes taken out of context and such. Even if he did say it, I'm sure it came up before in the clubhouse and it should be no big deal for anyone, including Rowand and El Caballo. Besides, I think he's right; you should defend your teammates out there. To a point, of course.

SoxSpeed22
04-22-2006, 03:40 PM
I had a bigger problem with the 9th inning, he's right ****in' there for the throwing at, and Ben Davis was lined up to do so.
But that's over, good for Kenny and Ozzie for putting vertebrae into this team that Manuel and Scheuler left them without.
And on a sidenote, there's a lot of twisting, both by the Minneapolis Star, and by the title of this thread.

Jjav829
04-22-2006, 04:25 PM
He definitely was not referring to Rowand with the comment about "not wanting those players anymore." I think it's pretty clear how Ozzie feels about Rowand. I posted an interview that Ozzie did on the Score a month or so ago in which he said that all the players from last year's team that are no longer with the Sox are gone because he didn't want them anymore, except one. he specifically went out of his way to say that Rowand was the one guy he didn't want to leave and that at the time he had no spoken to Rowand because he felt so bad about Rowand being traded. A few days ago he was being interviewed (don't remember where) and said directly that he would like to have Rowand back here in Chicago at some time.

champagne030
04-22-2006, 04:42 PM
He definitely was not referring to Rowand with the comment about "not wanting those players anymore." I think it's pretty clear how Ozzie feels about Rowand. I posted an interview that Ozzie did on the Score a month or so ago in which he said that all the players from last year's team that are no longer with the Sox are gone because he didn't want them anymore, except one. he specifically went out of his way to say that Rowand was the one guy he didn't want to leave and that at the time he had no spoken to Rowand because he felt so bad about Rowand being traded. A few days ago he was being interviewed (don't remember where) and said directly that he would like to have Rowand back here in Chicago at some time.

I agree that Rowand is not someone Ozzie is referring to about that game. I'm not unhappy at Lee for not taking out the 2B because tearing up an 'innocent' players knee doesn't seem right either. Mike 'gas can II' Jackson should have drilled Hunter, but I guess they were friends. Jackson should have gone to Ozzie and said he couldn't do it, if he was unable to even throw a propose pitch at his Homeboy's ass.

Brian26
04-22-2006, 05:02 PM
I had a bigger problem with the 9th inning, he's right ****in' there for the throwing at, and Ben Davis was lined up to do so.

You're speaking of Mike Jackson I assume?

SoxSpeed22
04-22-2006, 05:07 PM
You're speaking of Mike Jackson I assume?Yes. Ozzie could have ripped on him too. I think Lee wasn't the only one.

ZachAL
04-22-2006, 08:06 PM
I agree we don't need to give to much merit to this. BUT I was at that game and was disappointed and embarrassed by the White Sox non-actions after that play. I am in NO WAY condoning any intentionally injuring of a player, but some sort of statement needed to be made. From my perspective those guys looked absolutely apathetic after that play at home plate and unfortunately the fans reacted negatively. It is one of those games you try to block from your memory, especially because it just seemed to give the Twins more steam that season.

kevingrt
04-22-2006, 10:44 PM
It sounds misquoted.... he never mentioned Rowand and they are using what he said last year and adding Aaron into the mix. Also its the Minnesota paper and not the Chicago ones which makes it more bs.

Very weird... and very misquoted. Oh well stupid Minnesotans

flo-B-flo
04-22-2006, 11:00 PM
Sounds to me like a local paper trying to stir up some controversy against the team that they still feel is their biggest rival, when in reality the Twins are just a fading headlight in our rearview mirror... Me too. Sounds like they can sense the upcoming ass kicking. They ruled the division and then the Sox rule AND win the whole thing.

ws05champs
04-23-2006, 12:05 AM
This is a perfect example of why you can not trust the press. The creative editing sure make you think things were said that actually weren't. Always look at what the agenda of the writer may be.

DaleJRFan
04-23-2006, 01:04 AM
any news clippings, rumors, statements, atc quoting Ozzie as saying "Rowand wasn't his type of player and he is glad he is gone" are completely bunk. Ozzie said that when Rowand was traded, that he had to say goodbye to his favorite player and that he didnt have the heart to tell him directly about the trade - he asked KW to break the news to Aaron.

Bunk.

slavko
04-23-2006, 02:00 AM
You will recall that after he went to the Brewers, Carlos put Todd Walker on the DL with an unprovoked cheap shot at 2nd base.