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DumpJerry
04-22-2006, 07:58 AM
Channel 5 this morning played part of an interview Reinsdorf gave for tomorrow's Newsmakers show where he said that the Sox have received a letter that the team will be included in the steroid investigation. He did not know which, if any, players were the target. Hopefully, there won't be any findings associated with the team.

Maybe all 30 teams got the letter.

MrRoboto83
04-22-2006, 08:19 AM
I would be shocked if anyone on the Sox were using.

Madvora
04-22-2006, 08:21 AM
Maybe it was their attempted "false positive" idea from a couple of years ago.

For anyone that doesn't know what this means... MLB used to have a rule where they would randomly test for steroids and no punishments would be handed out or names released as long as the positives were less than 5% of the league. Anyway, some of the Sox players planned on refusing to take the test, therefore having it count as a positive to force the total league positive number over 5% thereby forcing stricter policing of steroid use.

Mickster
04-22-2006, 08:37 AM
Could it be that Conseco played here? :dunno:

dickallen15
04-22-2006, 08:41 AM
To think White Sox players over the years haven't used steriods would be foolish. The percentage of White Sox players who have used steriods is probably the same as it is on the majority of MLB teams.

samram
04-22-2006, 09:02 AM
To think White Sox players over the years haven't used steriods would be foolish. The percentage of White Sox players who have used steriods is probably the same as it is on the majority of MLB teams.

Yeah, remember that both Canseco and Rios were on the Sox. However, I would be surprised if every team weren't investigated- after all, they're supposed to be getting to the bottom of this.:rolleyes:

Saracen
04-22-2006, 09:36 AM
I think it would be naive to think no one on the Sox used/is using. I'm sure fans of every team are shocked when there's a positive result for one of their players.

viagracat
04-22-2006, 09:58 AM
I'm assuming all 30 teams have received, or will get, that letter. Selig finally understands, I think, that this issue has to be pro-actively addressed.

If anyone's using, nail 'em. Period.

Timmy D's
04-22-2006, 10:10 AM
Remember after Pods walk-off WS homer, Ozzie told him the Commishioner just called and said he needs him to a make pee-pee!:D:

I seriously think all are safe on the Sox currently.

TornLabrum
04-22-2006, 10:23 AM
Maybe Selig heard Mike North accuse Frank Thomas of using steroids.

jenn2080
04-22-2006, 10:37 AM
who would be using steroids on the team...Brandon??? I mean would it be so bad if he was? The guy could hula hoop a cheerio:D: I dont think anyone on the Sox are using. It would be quite shocking.

bgpoppapaul
04-22-2006, 11:03 AM
my friends and i have been talking since midway through last year. rowand seemed to have a very suspicious drop in power last season. he's also not exactly tearing the cover off the ball now as well.

NDSox12
04-22-2006, 11:10 AM
my friends and i have been talking since midway through last year. rowand seemed to have a very suspicious drop in power last season. he's also not exactly tearing the cover off the ball now as well.

Why even speculate throwing out names like this. Should we be suspicious of every player who has ever had a decrease in home runs from one year to the next, in particular from '04 to '05 since that is when the testing really started kicking in? If so, that's a lot of guys...

I didn't think there was anything suspicous about Rowand's power drop last year. It happens. Also, he's hitting pretty well so far this season. A .328 average and 2 HR is not too bad in mid-April.

I'm sure every MLB team will be contacted regaring this investigation. Bud needs to make it look like he's really digging deep on this issue. It most certainly does not mean that any recent Sox players were using steroids.

bgpoppapaul
04-22-2006, 11:25 AM
I'm sure every MLB team will be contacted regaring this investigation. Bud needs to make it look like he's really digging deep on this issue. It most certainly does not mean that any recent Sox players were using steroids.

I totally agree that if this investigation is to be taken seriously, every team should be investigated. I'm not sure if anything will ever come of it, but I'll be curious to see exactly what Reinsdorf said when the show is on tomorrow morning on channel 5. I've been searching other team message boards and haven't seen anything mentioned about other teams getting letters....anyone heard of this being league-wide?

hawkjt
04-22-2006, 12:09 PM
Obviously it is impossible to detect by just looking at someone and then there is the pitchers.

It could be no one- it could be anyone.

maggs lost weight before he started playing for Detroit last year.

CLee is huge.

on and on.

Just hope it is no one on the current team or last years team.

TaylorStSox
04-22-2006, 12:11 PM
I had suspicions about a few guys. Rowand came off a serious injury with a 30 inch neck and had a power surge. His arm seemed to be much better as well. Last year, his arm sucked and his power dipped considerably.

oeo
04-22-2006, 12:11 PM
Why even speculate throwing out names like this. Should we be suspicious of every player who has ever had a decrease in home runs from one year to the next, in particular from '04 to '05 since that is when the testing really started kicking in? If so, that's a lot of guys...

I didn't think there was anything suspicous about Rowand's power drop last year. It happens. Also, he's hitting pretty well so far this season. A .328 average and 2 HR is not too bad in mid-April.

I'm sure every MLB team will be contacted regaring this investigation. Bud needs to make it look like he's really digging deep on this issue. It most certainly does not mean that any recent Sox players were using steroids.
There were a lot of guys using them. Just a few years ago, a lot of MLB players, GM's, and managers all were estimating that over half of the players used or have used. Honestly, I think the problem was even bigger than the media makes us think. Now I'm not saying Rowand took them, there's really not much evidence comparing only two years. If he was putting up a mediocre average and lower homeruns for years (see Sosa), and then came out huge and was absolutely crushing the ball, then you can start the speculation.

chaerulez
04-22-2006, 12:20 PM
Maybe Selig heard Mike North accuse Frank Thomas of using steroids.

Did North actually say that? Then again there are no limits to that guys stupidity.

TDog
04-22-2006, 01:42 PM
Did North actually say that? Then again there are no limits to that guys stupidity.

If he did, he wouldn't have been the first.

Of course, Canseco was on the Sox before he wrote about teammates and others he believed were using steroids. I don't recall him mentioning Thomas. Some will say that Thomas now is a likely candidate because he is trying to hang on for the sole purpose of hitting 500 home runs, but a bad test now could destroy his entire legacy. Baseball people speculated about Rowand after the 2004 season. If a player is secretly juicing in his effort to gain the edge he needs to succeed in professional baseball, there may be no way for management or anyway to know. If he is juicing to hit monster home runs, break records and please the fans, management has to wonder.

In an age of universal testing, Sox power hitters -- Konerko and Thome -- making huge money, would personally have more to lose than gain from doing steroids.

QCIASOXFAN
04-22-2006, 02:21 PM
I would have to assume that every team got the letter.

kevin57
04-22-2006, 02:33 PM
I don't think this letter has anything to do with current use of steroids by Sox players. This is part of the George Mitchell investigation. If that investigation is going to even present a semblance of legitimacy, it's going to have to look at all the teams and their history. Certainly, Canseco's presence on the Sox and who may have known what when, and who may have even helped him, will be a dimension that will be looked at.

oeo
04-22-2006, 03:05 PM
If he did, he wouldn't have been the first.

Of course, Canseco was on the Sox before he wrote about teammates and others he believed were using steroids. I don't recall him mentioning Thomas. Some will say that Thomas now is a likely candidate because he is trying to hang on for the sole purpose of hitting 500 home runs, but a bad test now could destroy his entire legacy. Baseball people speculated about Rowand after the 2004 season. If a player is secretly juicing in his effort to gain the edge he needs to succeed in professional baseball, there may be no way for management or anyway to know. If he is juicing to hit monster home runs, break records and please the fans, management has to wonder.

In an age of universal testing, Sox power hitters -- Konerko and Thome -- making huge money, would personally have more to lose than gain from doing steroids.

I cannot see Frank as a likely candidate. This is a guy that came into the league dominating and if it wasn't for injuries would still be dominating. Look at other "alleged" steroid users such as Sosa and McGwire and you will not see the same. These guys got noticeably larger and better at midpoints in their careers.

JUribe1989
04-22-2006, 03:09 PM
Major League Baseball is not going to go after the Sox more than any other team in the league. Bud Selig is friends with Reinsdorf and baseball loved the White Sox winning the World Series last year. Anybody throwing out names right now should be ashamed of themselves. I am sure every team got this exact same letter. This is a non-issue.

Chisox003
04-22-2006, 03:12 PM
I had suspicions about a few guys. Rowand came off a serious injury with a 30 inch neck and had a power surge. His arm seemed to be much better as well. Last year, his arm sucked and his power dipped considerably.
Did this honestly need to be said?

It's posts like this that start 300 reply threads on pure speculation alone

I'm not worried in the least about this.

TaylorStSox
04-22-2006, 03:16 PM
Did this honestly need to be said?

It's posts like this that start 300 reply threads on pure speculation alone

I'm not worried in the least about this.


There's no rule about speculation. It's been discussed on this site, and others, before. There's enough "evidence" to speculate that Aaron Rowand might have been a steriod user. It's foolish to believe that Sox players are somehow exempt.

oeo
04-22-2006, 03:18 PM
There's no rule about speculation. It's been discussed on this site, and others, before. There's enough "evidence" to speculate that Aaron Rowand might have been a steriod user. It's foolish to believe that Sox players are somehow exempt.

I'm not saying they're exempt, but there isn't enough evidence in my book to speculate that Rowand used roids.

chidonez
04-22-2006, 03:21 PM
I dunno, Brandon looks suspiciously close to breaking 200 lbs., soaking wet, now. And although some people may suspect Jenks, I have it from a higher authority that cupcakes are the secret to his 100 mph fastball.

TaylorStSox
04-22-2006, 03:24 PM
I'm not saying they're exempt, but there isn't enough evidence in my book to speculate that Rowand used roids.

It's the same "evidence" that we have on 1/2 the other players accused of juicing. I don't know that he used roids, but the first player that popped in my head when I saw the thread title was Rowand. Obviously, I hope he wasn't a user, but I didn't bury my head in the sand in 04 either.

TDog
04-22-2006, 03:30 PM
I cannot see Frank as a likely candidate. This is a guy that came into the league dominating and if it wasn't for injuries would still be dominating. Look at other "alleged" steroid users such as Sosa and McGwire and you will not see the same. These guys got noticeably larger and better at midpoints in their careers.


Mark McGwire hit 49 home runs as a rookie. His steroid allegations relate to his recovery from a persistent foot injury.

I don't believe Thomas used steroids. I just understand how such speculation could exist.

chisoxfanatic
04-22-2006, 03:43 PM
I dunno, Brandon looks suspiciously close to breaking 200 lbs., soaking wet, now. And although some people may suspect Jenks, I have it from a higher authority that cupcakes are the secret to his 100 mph fastball.

:tealpolice:

Rowand was NOT on steroids. I don't think anyone has been either. You haven't had 5-10 HR-a-year guys hitting 40-50 HRs a year. I think this team's always been clean!

IlliniSox4Life
04-22-2006, 03:43 PM
Remember when Big Frank was subpoened to the steroid hearings, but it was only because of his speaking out against steroids for so many years? This could be nothing more than that. By trying to read something into it, you're taking it out of context. All it says is they will be included in the steroid investigation, and that's all we know, and there is very little evidence if any to think anything else.

Jjav829
04-22-2006, 03:55 PM
Did this honestly need to be said?

It's posts like this that start 300 reply threads on pure speculation alone

I'm not worried in the least about this.

TaylorStSox will take any opportunity he can to rip Rowand. It's almost shoota-esque, though shoota's target was a current player.

Britt Burns
04-22-2006, 04:01 PM
I have it on pretty good authority that Paulie uses Rogaine...

Beyond that, I have a hunch that the Sox will turn out to be one of if not the cleanest teams in the league.

SoxSpeed22
04-22-2006, 04:04 PM
The post about Canseco playing here makes sense, the post about this applying to all the other teams makes sense because they want to do this right and the only to do it right is to follow every lead and use everything.

The Rowand posts are completely unnecessary.

Better reasons for Rowand's slip in numbers:
Pitchers figured out how to pitch to him. Hence 116 strikeouts (91 in '04) even though, he had more ABs
He tired to pull everything.
The ball did not fly out of the Cell in 2005 as much as it did in 2004.
9 of those 24 home runs and 24 of those 69 RBIs happened in August with a lot of home games.
It's pointless to accuse someone of roids because they had one good and one bad year. I don't know anything about the neck size, so I can't say anything.

TaylorStSox
04-22-2006, 04:06 PM
TaylorStSox will take any opportunity he can to rip Rowand. It's almost shoota-esque, though shoota's target was a current player.

At least I waited for him to leave the team. :redneck

The irony of the Shoota comparison is that nobody called Crede the second coming. Alot of us argued that he was a pretty good ballplayer that didn't hurt your team. Rowand was a C ballplayer who is held in better regards than the best player to ever put on a Sox uniform by alot of people on this site. "I don't care about Frank, but I loved Rowand." To me, statements like that are beyond ridiculous

This thread isn't about that though. I apologize.

*hijack over*

CLR01
04-22-2006, 04:20 PM
I'm not saying they're exempt, but there isn't enough evidence in my book to speculate that Rowand used roids.


There have been plenty of non-Sox players who have been accused of using steroids on this MB with the exact same amount of evidence and few people ever spoke out against that. Why are Sox players the only ones who are off limits?


For the record I am not saying Rowand ever used them.




"I think he did"

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oeo
04-22-2006, 04:34 PM
There have been plenty of non-Sox players who have been accused of using steroids on this MB with the exact same amount of evidence and few people ever spoke out against that. Why are Sox players the only ones who are off limits?
I said that Sox players were not exempt and that in my opinion there wasn't enough evidence to accuse Rowand. I'm not going to speak out about a player unless I've seen them play for a few years and haven't noticed any evidence. I'm not sure exactly who you are talking about in terms of non-Sox players, but I'm sure I haven't seen them play often. I've seen Rowand play since day one of his MLB career, that is why I defended him.

soxfan13
04-22-2006, 04:50 PM
I totally agree that if this investigation is to be taken seriously, every team should be investigated. I'm not sure if anything will ever come of it, but I'll be curious to see exactly what Reinsdorf said when the show is on tomorrow morning on channel 5. I've been searching other team message boards and haven't seen anything mentioned about other teams getting letters....anyone heard of this being league-wide?

They did clearify on the radio this morning that every team in the league got the letter so it is not just the White Sox

SoxEd
04-22-2006, 04:53 PM
Sox getting this letter:
Good.
EVERY Team should get this letter.
The IOC/IAAF testing and punishment regime should be introduced, NOW.

This measure would bring Baseball into line with every other major International Sport, and IMO go some way to restoring some of the lost credibility over this issue.

Y'all can feel free to make any comments about horses and stable doors now...
:wink:

Suspicions cast about Rowand & 'roids:
If he is genuinely injured, then his Doctor can prescribe him steroids to speed the healing process.
Steroids aren't illegal if your Doctor prescribes them for a recognised medical condition.

Caveat Lector: I am NOT saying that he WAS ever on them - indeed I don't even know which injury anyone was referring to.
I also don't know whether my knowledge of the Leagl situation regarding steroid use (as opposed to their abuse) by the general population is applicable in the Sport.

WhiteSoxFan84
04-22-2006, 05:03 PM
They're probably after Herm Schneider. The Cubs probably told the league that the Sox training staff is upto no good. I mean just look at how many injuries their training staff couldn't prevent/heal quick enough and compare that to the stellar job Herm and the boys do. Something MUST be wrong...

RowanDye
04-22-2006, 07:08 PM
Suspicions cast about Rowand & 'roids:
If he is genuinely injured, then his Doctor can prescribe him steroids to speed the healing process.
Steroids aren't illegal if your Doctor prescribes them for a recognised medical condition.


Is this an exception to the new steroid policy as well?

As for Rowand, I have to say I thought about potential steroid use after seeing him crush the ball in '04 and then struggle to get the ball out of the infield on some nights in '05. When he was traded, it seemed convenient to speculate that 'maybe the White Sox organization knows something that we don't'.

However, after really thinking about this for the past 6-8 months I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I've always heard and seen Aaron as an extremely hard worker, so I think any bulk-up in mass could easily be accounted to hitting the gym hard after his injury. As many people suggested at the time, maybe '04 was just his career year at the plate. He certainly should not be mentioned with the likes of Bonds and Palmeiro unless some/any real evidence comes up.

Nellie_Fox
04-22-2006, 07:38 PM
If he is genuinely injured, then his Doctor can prescribe him steroids to speed the healing process.
Steroids aren't illegal if your Doctor prescribes them for a recognised medical condition.Anabolic steroids are a Schedule III controlled substance in the US. Any physician who prescribes them for anything other than the most extreme conditions (severe burn patients, cancer patients recovering from chemo, etc.) will be under severe scrutiny by the DEA.

D. TODD
04-22-2006, 10:01 PM
To think White Sox players over the years haven't used steriods would be foolish. The percentage of White Sox players who have used steriods is probably the same as it is on the majority of MLB teams. I agree steroids were used throughout baseball, hell Marvin Bernard tested positive. You don't have to be a slugger, or a star to have used steroids. I would hope that no Sox used, but a signifigant percentage of players did use all throughout the league on every team probaly.

D. TODD
04-22-2006, 10:14 PM
Is this an exception to the new steroid policy as well?

As for Rowand, I have to say I thought about potential steroid use after seeing him crush the ball in '04 and then struggle to get the ball out of the infield on some nights in '05. When he was traded, it seemed convenient to speculate that 'maybe the White Sox organization knows something that we don't'.

However, after really thinking about this for the past 6-8 months I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I've always heard and seen Aaron as an extremely hard worker, so I think any bulk-up in mass could easily be accounted to hitting the gym hard after his injury. As many people suggested at the time, maybe '04 was just his career year at the plate. He certainly should not be mentioned with the likes of Bonds and Palmeiro unless some/any real evidence comes up. I'm not casting ANY players as possible users, but being in the gym and working your ass off is not a good reason to write off steroids. The hardest workers often are the ones to seek out steroids to allow them to put more time in the gym. As I said earlier a signifigant amount of players used to some extent or another, I'm sure every team has their share.

FedEx227
04-22-2006, 10:17 PM
Why must people always link any slight surge in HRs to steroids. Good hitters are good hitters steroids or not. Barry Bonds was a fantastic hitter, one of the best ever, even before he took steriods.

The fact that people are accusing Aaron because he had one year where he had decent power numbers and he looks strong, doesn't make him a candidate at all.

You can take all the steroids you want, but if you're not a great hitter, you'll remain... not a good hitter. Marvin Bernard is a perfect example. Rowand has/never will be a great hitter, he had good power numbers in 04, thats true... but can't a guy just have a good season or a hot streak of hitting without these steroid experts doing a witch hunt?

As for Rowand, I have to say I thought about potential steroid use after seeing him crush the ball in '04 and then struggle to get the ball out of the infield on some nights in '05. When he was traded, it seemed convenient to speculate that 'maybe the White Sox organization knows something that we don't'.

...or maybe the White Sox just wanted Jim Thome, who I think is doing pretty well? Not positive though.

Ol' No. 2
04-23-2006, 12:21 AM
This thread is a good example of the insidious effects of steroid use. Everybody begins speculating about this player or that player. And it sucks. There's no more reason to suspect Rowand than there is Thome or Dye or Pierzynski or just about anyone else. This is nothing but gossip, plain and simple. And it's rather unbecoming.

RadioheadRocks
04-23-2006, 12:24 AM
I usually resist the urge, but I think this one's justified:

:threadsucks

Jerko
04-23-2006, 04:56 PM
Didn't the Sox sign Marvin Bernard or whatever his name was a few years back? Didn't he test positive and then the Sox cut him? He WAS teammates with Bonds. Maybe they're asking questions about his silly ass. Otherwise, I agree with radiohead:

:threadsucks

1917
04-23-2006, 05:06 PM
I had suspicions about a few guys. Rowand came off a serious injury with a 30 inch neck and had a power surge. His arm seemed to be much better as well. Last year, his arm sucked and his power dipped considerably.

I had the same thoughts too...he was in a do or die year in 2004, he camr thru after a injury....he he is a gym nut....I admit I had a feeling about Paulie....maybe because his lack of hair! :D: But I'm certain the Sox will come away smelling clean

lostletters
04-23-2006, 05:22 PM
Did anybody think that they might want to interview AJ and Hermanson because they were on San Fran. AJ was known to have no love for Bonds, and he may be more willing to speak then some other teammates of Bonds.

zmz723
04-23-2006, 05:41 PM
Not to speculate, but I always thought that Jose Valentin did steroids. If you look at his stats, there is a jump in power, then a severe drop:


1997-17
1998-16
1999-10
2000-25
2001-28
2002-25
2003-28
2004-30
2005-2

NDSox12
04-23-2006, 05:43 PM
Not to speculate, but

If that wasn't speculation, what was it?

sullythered
04-23-2006, 05:44 PM
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't the letter say the Sox would be a part of the steroid investigation? The only investigation I am aware of is the currently ongoing one involving Barry Bonds. Everybody in baseball is part of the steroid policy, so no letter would be necessary. They would just get tested. My guess is that the there's somebody in the Sox orginization that the league thinks knows something about Bonds.

zmz723
04-23-2006, 05:53 PM
If that wasn't speculation, what was it?

a guess? :D:

SOXSINCE'70
04-23-2006, 07:41 PM
they're supposed to be getting to the bottom of this.:rolleyes:

I agree.Anyone who believes Bud the Pud and his dumbasses will get
to the bottom of this must also believe the sun rises in the west and
sets in the east.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ol' No. 2
04-23-2006, 10:44 PM
Not to speculate, but I always thought that Jose Valentin did steroids. If you look at his stats, there is a jump in power, then a severe drop:


1997-17
1998-16
1999-10
2000-25
2001-28
2002-25
2003-28
2004-30
2005-2Stop yourself. Just stop.