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chisoxmike
04-21-2006, 10:07 PM
6 in a row!

:supernana: :supernana: :supernana:
:winner

voodoochile
04-21-2006, 10:07 PM
Thor!

BurlyMon!

:winner:

Two more bites and the Twinkies will be all gone...

SoxSpeed22
04-21-2006, 10:08 PM
10 outta 11 and flying high.:bandance:

JB98
04-21-2006, 10:09 PM
Just a helluva job by Buerhle. I figured he'd have to give up two runs or less in order to get the win, and that's exactly what he did.

Sixteen games in a row with a run scored for Thome. That's not something you see often.

HotelWhiteSox
04-21-2006, 10:09 PM
W6

Pureone
04-21-2006, 10:09 PM
Nice to beat Santana for a change!

Burls... :bandance:

eurotrash35
04-21-2006, 10:09 PM
The bottom half of the 8th sure sucked all the excitement out of the finish but you can't argue with the W. :cool:

I was playing the Hawk & DJ drinking game in my mind but I'm still a little leery of doing it with beer in hand. :tongue:

soxfanatlanta
04-21-2006, 10:09 PM
Good to set us get one on Santana, although he pitched well, it was not enough to win (thankfully). MB on the other hand, what can you say about the guy? He just wins. Period.

jenn2080
04-21-2006, 10:09 PM
what a great game...thome 2 run Homer....JD 3 run double. we are smokin

viagracat
04-21-2006, 10:10 PM
Thome--what can you say? He practically golfed that ball out of the park. Getting past Santana is huge.

:gulp: :bandance: :gulp: :bandance: :gulp: :bandance:

darklord23
04-21-2006, 10:10 PM
Buehrle is the man! :bandance::bandance:

wassagstdu
04-21-2006, 10:10 PM
At some point in this season the Sox might hit a slump and we will begin to wonder how they will ever win another game. When that happens let's remember how it seems right now -- like they might not lose another game all year! They are really looking strong. Anderson looks like he is getting a little more comfortable and might be ready to break out. Everything else is firing on all cylinders.

.

Revolution29
04-21-2006, 10:12 PM
They really are playing like champions right now. What more is there to say?

eurotrash35
04-21-2006, 10:12 PM
At some point in this season the Sox might hit a slump and we will begin to wonder how they will ever win another game. When that happens let's remember how it seems right now -- like they might not lose another game all year! They are really looking strong. Anderson looks like he is getting a little more comfortable and might be ready to break out. Everything else is firing on all cylinders.

.

And we're still waiting for Pods to start causing trouble on the basepaths. It's really only happened a couple of times this year but was a staple in 05. When that happens, good night. :cool:

Mercy!
04-21-2006, 10:12 PM
As has been noted here in the past, Lew Ford is the devil.

HomeFish
04-21-2006, 10:13 PM
It felt so good seeing Steroids Rincon get demolished. So satisfying.

That said, there are two games left. We haven't won this series yet and Cleveland is at KC. But you can't complain about tonight at all.

chisox77
04-21-2006, 10:15 PM
I would have gotten drunk playing the "Hawk-DJ Drinking Game" during Brian Anderson's last at-bat alone.

Seriously - a great game, and a great win by the White Sox. They can be incredibly good this season when they really hit stride.

:cool:

NDSox12
04-21-2006, 10:15 PM
White Sox: Best record in the American League. That didn't take long!

TheOldRoman
04-21-2006, 10:16 PM
That is a huge relief. Santana and Buehrle both pitched masterpieces, and the difference (until the bottom of the 8th) was the Sox got a runner on before their homer.
This game was a pleasure to watch. Santana was great and Buehrle was better. The Sox only got 2 off of Santana, but they did much much better against him. They went deep into the count many times, and made him get them out.

Also, it is good to knock Roidcon around. Oh, and Thome rules.

JoeClutch24
04-21-2006, 10:16 PM
I said this was gonna be a 2-1 ball game before the game but 7-1 will do. Just take a look at the Buehrle-O-Meter!!

TheOldRoman
04-21-2006, 10:16 PM
That said, there are two games left. We haven't won this series yet and Cleveland is at KC. But you can't complain about tonight at all.
:rolleyes:
You just had to find a negative light, didn't you?

South Side
04-21-2006, 10:24 PM
:rolleyes:
You just had to find a negative light, didn't you?

I am pretty sure he feels it's neccessary to do that because he has some sort of title to live up to. It's getting old though... really old. Anyone that can add a negative spin to this game is just doing it for kicks.

oeo
04-21-2006, 10:25 PM
10-1 in the last 11 games, unbelievable. I absolutely love this team.

SOXSINCE'70
04-21-2006, 10:27 PM
Nice to beat Santana for a change!

Burls... :bandance:

Nice to finally beat him.I can't remember the Sox ever
defeating him.Can you?? Loved the outcome.
I'll be at the games looking for more on Sat.and Sun.:cool:

pearso66
04-21-2006, 10:28 PM
Sixteen games in a row with a run scored for Thome. That's not something you see often.


I heard today that the record is 17 in a row, so yeah, it doesn't happen very often. I wonder what the record is for most to start a season. I know for the Sox it was 15 by Frank.

TheOldRoman
04-21-2006, 10:30 PM
Nice to finally beat him.I can't remember the Sox ever
defeating him.Can you?? Loved the outcome.
I'll be at the games looking for more on Sat.and Sun.:cool:
Well, we did rock him in April of 04, but I dont remember that game.
I do remember the last time we defeated him, though.
July 1, 2004. It was a thursday afternoon in the dome. Carlos Lee hit a solo shot in the first, and Garland pitched a shutout. Santana absolutely made the Sox hitters look foolish, but took the loss. That was the start of his unreal run.

gobears1987
04-21-2006, 10:30 PM
Thome Is On Fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oeo
04-21-2006, 10:31 PM
Fat Wickman almost blows it for the Injuns, final of 6-5 in Kansas City.

chisoxmike
04-21-2006, 10:35 PM
Fat Wickman almost blows it for the Injuns, final of 6-5 in Kansas City.

For a second, I didnt see the "almost" I got excited for a quite moment.:mad:

soxjim
04-21-2006, 10:35 PM
A great game to see in person. Mark had good stuff tonight. It was fun walking to my home away from home for the next 3 nights. Record with me in attendance this season 2-0.

JB98
04-21-2006, 10:37 PM
Fat Wickman almost blows it for the Injuns, final of 6-5 in Kansas City.

Doesn't Fat Wickman always almost blow it? I always get my hopes up, and then he seems to get the third out just in time to hold on.

oeo
04-21-2006, 10:41 PM
For a second, I didnt see the "almost" I got excited for a quite moment.:mad:

Yeah, I probably should have specified who won. Sorry to get your hopes up.

Chips
04-21-2006, 10:46 PM
I heard today that the record is 17 in a row, so yeah, it doesn't happen very often. I wonder what the record is for most to start a season. I know for the Sox it was 15 by Frank.

On the scoreboard tonight, it said Thome's 15 straight games with a run was the most in MLB history to start a season.

TomParrish79
04-21-2006, 10:48 PM
Great game tonite..Mark looked great.

nedlug
04-21-2006, 10:50 PM
I heard today that the record is 17 in a row, so yeah, it doesn't happen very often. I wonder what the record is for most to start a season. I know for the Sox it was 15 by Frank.

Well, if 17 is the record for any situation, there aren't many more possibilities for the 'to start a season' situation.

When Thome slumps, remember this moment, right now.

The Sox are pretty much unbeatable right now - all those 'top 5 teams in history' guys are looking like geniuses right now.

Lip Man 1
04-21-2006, 10:51 PM
Always a treat to beat one of the top pitchers in baseball. This guy owns the Sox...makes tonight even sweeter.

Just keep winning games.

Lip

chisoxfanatic
04-21-2006, 10:51 PM
Buehrle's been our stud ace for a long time now, and tonight was no different. He threw the heat and took many prisoners with him. He schooled Torii Hunter a couple times...I liked that! The most exciting play IMHO happened in the 8th inning (the Jermaine Dye offensive play). That iced the cake...ummm, I mean Twinkie! :tongue:

Payback is a bitch, isn't it, Santana?

winning ugly 72
04-21-2006, 10:56 PM
great game tonight the pitchers are starting to feed off each other and thome is the MAN!!!

Mickster
04-21-2006, 10:57 PM
Look at the batting averages. With the exception of Pods at the top of the order and Uribe and Anderson at the bottom, each and every batter is hitting over .300! I know it's only April and I'm sure I'll get a few "small sample size" responses, but it is nice to see that 2/3 of our lineup is absolutely raking 3 weeks into the season considering Crede, PK and Dye are traditionally slow starters.

chisoxfanatic
04-21-2006, 10:59 PM
great game tonight the pitchers are starting to feed off each other and thome is the MAN!!!

AND you can see Konerko and Thome getting into a little friendly competition offensively. What a team! :redneck

Corlose 15
04-21-2006, 11:01 PM
Outstanding game by the Sox tonight. They are playing very well right now and the scary thing is that they could be even better once Pods starts running and Anderson and Uribe's bats come alive. When they do..... :drool:

Ol' No. 2
04-21-2006, 11:07 PM
There's only one way to beat Santana - you have to outlast him. That's just what Buehrle did. Great job by Mark. The Twins needed this one more than we did. The road to the championship goes through Chicago and if the Twinks can't beat the Sox with Santana on the mound, when can they?

Anyone else get a chuckle out of Hawk talking about how Roid-boy Rincon was soooo underrated - meanwhile the Sox are beating him like a pinata.:D:

beckett21
04-21-2006, 11:07 PM
What happened to all of the bitching about a 1-4 start? :?: :D:

That was a big psychological victory tonight. It sure feels good to beat Santana. That little implosion in the 8th was a lot of fun to watch too.

Great effort by Buehrle, as per usual.

Oh, yeah--that Thome guy, he's kind of good. :redneck

TaylorStSox
04-21-2006, 11:13 PM
AJ and Crede did a good job working counts and making Santana throw a ton of pitches. He looked gassed in the 7th.

cheeses_h_rice
04-21-2006, 11:19 PM
Tremendous night to be at the ballpark, and I sat just 5 rows back of the Twins hitters in the batter's box, the best seats I've ever had (chisoxmike, enjoy 'em later this weekend). After watching Torii Hunter completely cracking up and responding to all the good-natured barbs thrown his way from our section, I have a newfound appreciation for the man. Everyone was telling him how good he would look on the South Side.

A real pitcher's duel there for a while, 'til the ass end of the Twinkies bullpen came in (Roids Rincon and...Matt Guerrier?), and then Neal trying to make it interesting in the 9th. Too bad the Sox hit so much in the 8th that it probably killed Burly's chances of coming back out for the 9th.

One thing that confused me, though, was why the umps awarded Dye 2 bases on that overthrown ball into the Sox's dugout. I can see Konerko getting the nod from third base, but Dye was on second, wasn't he? Weird play.

Britt Burns
04-21-2006, 11:22 PM
MB! You rule! :dtroll:

Jim Thome...holy crap you are good....:dtroll: :dtroll:

TheOldRoman
04-21-2006, 11:22 PM
I don't want to brag, but I called it.
From the "random predictions" thread:
The Sox will finally defeat Johan Santana
The Sox will post a winning record against the AL West
The Sox will have five 15 game winners

1 for 1 so far. I think I can rack up the other two.:D:

Ol' No. 2
04-21-2006, 11:23 PM
Tremendous night to be at the ballpark, and I sat just 5 rows back of the Twins hitters in the batter's box, the best seats I've ever had (chisoxmike, enjoy 'em later this weekend). After watching Torii Hunter completely cracking up and responding to all the good-natured barbs thrown his way from our section, I have a newfound appreciation for the man. Everyone was telling him how good he would look on the South Side.

A real pitcher's duel there for a while, 'til the ass end of the Twinkies bullpen came in (Roids Rincon and...Matt Guerrier?), and then Neal trying to make it interesting in the 9th. Too bad the Sox hit so much in the 8th that it probably killed Burly's chances of coming back out for the 9th.

One thing that confused me, though, was why the umps awarded Dye 2 bases on that overthrown ball into the Sox's dugout. I can see Konerko getting the nod from third base, but Dye was on second, wasn't he? Weird play.Dye was off second base, moving toward third when the throw went into the dugout. That means he gets two bases.

QCIASOXFAN
04-21-2006, 11:25 PM
The bottom half of the 8th sure sucked all the excitement out of the finish but you can't argue with the W. :cool:

I was playing the Hawk & DJ drinking game in my mind but I'm still a little leery of doing it with beer in hand. :tongue: Yep, and when Hawk says "zone him in, reel him in and light him up" and it actually happens that means chug the rest of your beers!

QCIASOXFAN
04-21-2006, 11:29 PM
Dye was off second base, moving toward third when the throw went into the dugout. That means he gets two bases. Ya what was up with that throw, looked like he just threw it flat footed. It was a real Munson of a throw though.

chisoxmike
04-21-2006, 11:41 PM
Tremendous night to be at the ballpark, and I sat just 5 rows back of the Twins hitters in the batter's box, the best seats I've ever had (chisoxmike, enjoy 'em later this weekend). .

Looking forward to Sunday... thanks again!:supernana:

cheeses_h_rice
04-21-2006, 11:43 PM
Looking forward to Sunday... thanks again!:supernana:

Just make sure you have your trash-talking voice primed and ready to go -- there's no ****ing way they won't hear you if they're in the on-deck circle.

Brian26
04-21-2006, 11:53 PM
It felt so good seeing Steroids Rincon get demolished. So satisfying.

He gave up 4 hits and 4 earned runs in 0.0 innings pitched. That will play havoc with his ERA.

Brian26
04-21-2006, 11:57 PM
One thing that confused me, though, was why the umps awarded Dye 2 bases on that overthrown ball into the Sox's dugout. I can see Konerko getting the nod from third base, but Dye was on second, wasn't he? Weird play.

This is a great question. I was trying to figure out how to score that. Obviously Dye only gets one RBI (Ozuna), and PK and Dye score on the error by the shortstop. I think the rule is that the runner gets the base he was running to plus one more. This could be debated, but PK was rounding third and Dye was rounding 2nd when the throw hopped into the Sox dugout...so PK scores and Dye gets third plus one. That's my interpretation. Gardenhire didn't argue.

gbergman
04-22-2006, 12:04 AM
woohoo song needs to be played

TheOldRoman
04-22-2006, 12:08 AM
This is a great question. I was trying to figure out how to score that. Obviously Dye only gets one RBI (Ozuna), and PK and Dye score on the error by the shortstop. I think the rule is that the runner gets the base he was running to plus one more. This could be debated, but PK was rounding third and Dye was rounding 2nd when the throw hopped into the Sox dugout...so PK scores and Dye gets third plus one. That's my interpretation. Gardenhire didn't argue.
My question is, how the hell were those two runs (PK and Dye) not unearned? MLB.com has Roidcon giving up 4 earned.

Fabs
04-22-2006, 12:15 AM
Love him!!!
:supernana:

Etownsox13
04-22-2006, 12:20 AM
I have no clue why the throw even went to third. PK was definantely not trying to take home and was standing on third base. It was a terible desision to even throw to third there

SouthSide_HitMen
04-22-2006, 12:41 AM
Great game by Buehrle on a beautiful night for baseball. Both pitchers pitched well tonight but we were able to coax more pitches from Santana and he had to exit for an ineffective Rincon appearance (and a brain dead throw by the SS).

Great to see Thome knock one out against one of the toughest lefties in the game. My record at Sox games is now even at 2-2. :cool:

This was the first game I've ever been to that fireworks didn't go off after a Home Run (because of dog day). This is also my first game without Nancy. The music wasn't too bad but tapes of Take Me Out To The Ballgame or Na Na Na Na are just not the same.

Idiot fans. There were some drunken 20 something fans starting crap several rows up from me with teenagers (about 15 or so) from Minnesota (with Twins gear). One idiot adult was trying to egg on the teenagers to go up the several rows to fight him. Way to "represent" White Sox fans.

Also, above me I had 8 guys (4 in their 50s - 60s and four in their 20s - 30s) behind me making idiotic comments the entire game. They kept saying how Anderson sucks and they want Rowand back (not realizing they wouldn't have Thome who hit the Home Run tonight). They were flubsessed about the Cubs score the entire game, making more comments about the Cubs game, Lee and Cubs than the White Sox. To add insult to injury, they were very pissed about the lack of fireworks and when informed they were not lit for Dog Day, they proceeded to bitch the rest of the game saying they should kill the dogs and "send them to Chinatown to be eaten". They were not drinking (and even if they were) they made me embarrassed to be a White Sox fan.

With more experiences with these types of fans, I may be going to less games this season than I planned on. :(:

Anyway, great game and we have a great shot at taking all three with Minnesota's weak lineup and the White Sox playing on all cylinders.

One more thing - they dusted off Captain Stubby & The Buccaneers (maybe JR sent their royalty check late in the mail :D: ) and played it a few times including the video sing a long they played at the end of the year / during the postseason. :thumbsup:

thomas35forever
04-22-2006, 12:43 AM
Well, it's official. The Twinkies' bullpen sucks. It's great we were able to make them pay.:bandance:

Brian26
04-22-2006, 12:50 AM
My question is, how the hell were those two runs (PK and Dye) not unearned? MLB.com has Roidcon giving up 4 earned.

Another good question. Crede got a base hit as the next batter, so it could be argued those two runs would score anyway, making them earned.

chisoxfanatic
04-22-2006, 12:50 AM
Well, it's official. The Twinkies' bullpen sucks. It's great we were able to make them pay.:bandance:

Why don't they get Brad Radke out of the game early and run up the score tomorrow. I would appreciate that!

Georgey3085
04-22-2006, 01:23 AM
The only thing I disliked in the game was the HR that the Twins hit being thrown back onto the field of play. I think the Sox should put some kind of new rule telling the fans if they throw a HR ball back onto the field, they will be thrown out of the park. Someone should email Brooks about this, seriously, its a big pet peeve of mine and a lot of real sox fans. Good win though, this team is looking sooo good. :supernana:

IlliniSox4Life
04-22-2006, 01:40 AM
The only thing I disliked in the game was the HR that the Twins hit being thrown back onto the field of play. I think the Sox should put some kind of new rule telling the fans if they throw a HR ball back onto the field, they will be thrown out of the park. Someone should email Brooks about this, seriously, its a big pet peeve of mine and a lot of real sox fans. Good win though, this team is looking sooo good. :supernana:

I do believe there is a grinder rule telling people not too. There are also rules prohibiting anybody to throw anything on the field, regardless of what it is. I think you're preaching to the choir here though. We just need to do a grass roots campaign and stop it ourselves.

hawkjt
04-22-2006, 02:10 AM
Mark threw another routine masterpiece. he is a '' pitcher in full'' as Tom Wolfe would say. He is in his prime, and on a night like this he is an artist.

He has won 88 games already at 27. He will go over 100 this year. He should be able to pitch another 10 years with his style. He is going to rack up a lot of wins. Hope he is a sox for the next ten years.

His quote after the game as he sat there looking like a classic Dizzy Dean like southern good ole boy in his camoflauge cap

'' Santana is the best pitcher in baseball and anytime we can steal a win off of him, I feel good about it.''

And when queried about his numbers being better than his he just chuckled and said

'' Sure, right now they are, but its a long season.''

MB is a classic throwback hardball player.

Mohoney
04-22-2006, 02:25 AM
This was definitely the most likely game in this series for us to lose, and we got it done. We flat-out dominated.

Think about it: a good team wins that game 2-1, not taking advantage of the fact that Santana is out. A GREAT team scores those insurance runs and leaves no doubt.

It almost felt like once Thome took that pitch (which wasn't a terrible pitch at all) out of the park, it was over.

Now their ace is dispatched, and we have Freddy and Jose going this weekend. With the way Podsednik's heating up, I really like our chances for a sweep here.

voodoochile
04-22-2006, 04:42 AM
My question is, how the hell were those two runs (PK and Dye) not unearned? MLB.com has Roidcon giving up 4 earned.

There were no outs and the next guy singled. They didn't reach scoring position because of an error, merely scored because of one and they would have scored anyway long before the third out was recorded. The error wasn't even an out play, so you cannot argue it prolonged the inning, merely made the scoring come a little faster.

It is the discretion of the score keeper anyway, but this one is pretty cut and dried.

gbergman
04-22-2006, 04:43 AM
nice win by sox woohoo another thomer

Vernam
04-22-2006, 07:57 AM
I do believe there is a grinder rule telling people not too. There are also rules prohibiting anybody to throw anything on the field, regardless of what it is. I think you're preaching to the choir here though. We just need to do a grass roots campaign and stop it ourselves.The next guy who throws a ball back, let's throw him on the field. That might put an end to it. :angry:

But what a glorious game! The pitch Thome hit out, 90 percent of MLB lefty hitters can't even put that in play, much less poke it 405 feet. Buehrle is becoming automatic. JD's hit was big, and it was nice to see the whole dugout greet Anderson after his SAC fly. The kid had a few good swings tonight, so it had to be a confidence boost.

Vernam

Hitmen77
04-22-2006, 08:08 AM
Another good question. Crede got a base hit as the next batter, so it could be argued those two runs would score anyway, making them earned.

I thought this was the case in official scoring - if runs score on a throwing error, they only stay unearnerd if the remaining players make outs to end the inning. If the next player gets a hit, then at least the guy from 3rd would have scored anyway. Can anyone confirm this?

RedHeadPaleHoser
04-22-2006, 08:08 AM
I didn't get a chance to get on last night, but I enjoyed everyone's postings.

My favorite part of last night? Between Thome and Konerko in the 8th...they made Santana throw over 15 pitches to both of them. Santana has to work in the latter innings to get them out. I LOVE that type of chess match....the pitcher tries to frame the pitches...and they keep getting fouled off...and STILL get on base. Awesome.

Hitmen77
04-22-2006, 08:12 AM
In addition to the Thome HR, let's not overlook giving credit to the Sox offense for really working the count against Santana. Despite scoring only 2 runs against him, he was over 110 pitches by the time he left the game - which opened the door to our insurance runs in the 8th.

I know someone mention this already, but i thought it was worth repeating because I think this kind of offense is key to Sox sucess against great starters.

VenturaFan23
04-22-2006, 09:05 AM
The next guy who throws a ball back, let's throw him on the field. That might put an end to it. :angry:

It was a 12 year old kid who threw it back tonight. We were sitting in the section right across from him. He caught the home run with his glove and people around him were saying "throw it back!" My girlfriend and I were saying "this isn't Wrigley!" And without hesitation he threw it back. :angry: They were all cheering him like morons and we and a few other people were booing him. If you're going to throw it away, throw it my way! It really is embarrassing!

soxinem1
04-22-2006, 09:07 AM
Good to set us get one on Santana, although he pitched well, it was not enough to win (thankfully). MB on the other hand, what can you say about the guy? He just wins. Period.






Before last year we actually handled Johan pretty well. Maybe the tables will turn back a little.

Sox-on-TV44
04-22-2006, 09:07 AM
Mark was on the mark!:smile:

Good to beat "Lindsay" Johan Santana for a change.

Guess which one's 3-0 and which one 0-3?

itsnotrequired
04-22-2006, 09:17 AM
Great game yesterday. It got a little out of hand in the latter innings but in a good way. The first few innings was some classic pitcher dueling.

Sig update time.

Ol' No. 2
04-22-2006, 09:43 AM
In addition to the Thome HR, let's not overlook giving credit to the Sox offense for really working the count against Santana. Despite scoring only 2 runs against him, he was over 110 pitches by the time he left the game - which opened the door to our insurance runs in the 8th.

I know someone mention this already, but i thought it was worth repeating because I think this kind of offense is key to Sox sucess against great starters.Santana threw 120 pitches. I'm really surprised Gardenhire left him in to get the last out in the 7th. I thought he was done for after walking Podsednik. He was clearly gassed.

That's how you beat Santana...you outlast him. That's what the Sox did.

soxgirl617
04-22-2006, 10:00 AM
It was a 12 year old kid who threw it back tonight. We were sitting in the section right across from him. He caught the home run with his glove and people around him were saying "throw it back!" My girlfriend and I were saying "this isn't Wrigley!" And without hesitation he threw it back. :angry: They were all cheering him like morons and we and a few other people were booing him. If you're going to throw it away, throw it my way! It really is embarrassing!

There is one stadium (might be Atlanta?) that enforces the MLB rule against throwing anything on the field, including home run balls. Anyone who throws a home run ball back on the field gets tossed from the stadium, period.

I can't believe a 12 year old threw it back. That is really sad: I would've thought a kid would want the ball. Must be a Cub fan, LOL.

areilly
04-22-2006, 10:02 AM
The late-inning massacre aside, one thing I was really glad to see was the way our guys were getting out against Santana - i.e. through contact, deep shots and putting the ball in play rather than whiff after whiff.

All around, a very encouraging game and if this is an indication of how we're going to fare against elite pitchers, I say bring them on.

TornLabrum
04-22-2006, 10:26 AM
This is a great question. I was trying to figure out how to score that. Obviously Dye only gets one RBI (Ozuna), and PK and Dye score on the error by the shortstop. I think the rule is that the runner gets the base he was running to plus one more. This could be debated, but PK was rounding third and Dye was rounding 2nd when the throw hopped into the Sox dugout...so PK scores and Dye gets third plus one. That's my interpretation. Gardenhire didn't argue.

As far as how to score it it's a double and E7 for one base for Paule and two bases for Dye.

itsnotrequired
04-22-2006, 10:28 AM
As far as how to score it it's a double and E7 for one base for Paule and two bases for Dye.

What I'm curious about is how Rincon got tagged for earned runs on all that nonsense. Wouldn't at least two of those runs been unearned? The official box score shows everything as earned from all Twins pitchers.

TornLabrum
04-22-2006, 10:31 AM
There were no outs and the next guy singled. They didn't reach scoring position because of an error, merely scored because of one and they would have scored anyway long before the third out was recorded. The error wasn't even an out play, so you cannot argue it prolonged the inning, merely made the scoring come a little faster.

It is the discretion of the score keeper anyway, but this one is pretty cut and dried.

Correct. The runs would have scored before the third out was made, and neither runner reached base on the error. They would have scored anyway, so the runs are earned.

itsnotrequired
04-22-2006, 10:35 AM
Correct. The runs would have scored before the third out was made, and neither runner reached base on the error. They would have scored anyway, so the runs are earned.

Ah, I see. So if there had been two outs, would they have been unearned?

SBSoxFan
04-22-2006, 10:42 AM
Ah, I see. So if there had been two outs, would they have been unearned?

Not necessarily; it depends what the next batters do. In this case, PK's run would have been earned because Crede singled. I forget what AJ did after that. If he got a hit, then Dye's run would have been earned too. If AJ made an out (to end the inning), then Dye's run would have been unearned.

Bobbo35
04-22-2006, 10:59 AM
Excellent played game by the Sox!!! The weather was great, atmosphere at the game was good minus some idiot cub fan making a fool of himself near me (he got booted). Buerhle was outstanding once again, Thome is a manbeast. How about that nice play by Gooch again, great bare hander.

My heart skipped a beat when I did not hear the fireworks after Thome's homerun, never have I been to a game not to hear the works. I then remembered it was Dog night. It was weird though.

Brian26
04-22-2006, 03:56 PM
As far as how to score it it's a double and E7 for one base for Paule and two bases for Dye.

Double and an E6 actually. The shortstop fudged the relay throw.

Brian26
04-22-2006, 03:59 PM
Not necessarily; it depends what the next batters do. In this case, PK's run would have been earned because Crede singled. I forget what AJ did after that. If he got a hit, then Dye's run would have been earned too. If AJ made an out (to end the inning), then Dye's run would have been unearned.

AJ singled to right. PK and Dye would have scored no matter what, so they were both earned runs.

Jjav829
04-22-2006, 04:01 PM
Great game by Buehrle and Santana. I predicted that Thome would homer yesterday so I'm glad that happened.

But let's get to the real story here, what the hell was Kyle Orton doing sitting in the 2nd row behind the Sox dugout? :?: I guess it's a good thing that he didn't get completely tanked and moon the camera or something obscene to further embarrass himself.