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South Side Irish
04-19-2006, 05:40 PM
Linky Here: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=silver/060418

Not a single Sox.

Discuss.:angry:

WSox8404
04-19-2006, 05:45 PM
I think we all know what all of us would say to ESPN about anything concerning baseball or sports or the Sox. **** off.

miker
04-19-2006, 05:45 PM
Because teams, and not individual players, win championships.
ESPN sucks.

SoxSpeed22
04-19-2006, 05:49 PM
Go figure, the guy who made this list works for BP.
Nate Silver is an author of Baseball Prospectus (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/)

miker
04-19-2006, 05:57 PM
Go figure, the guy who made this list works for BP.
So it really is a list of "50 Players With Cool Stats".

maurice
04-19-2006, 06:14 PM
Not a single Sox.

The guy at #46 was, until recently, in the Sox organization.
:cool:

Seriously, any MLB GM would laugh his ass of at that list.
Mauer is #6, but Buehrle is lower than #50? Um, okay.

cheeses_h_rice
04-19-2006, 06:30 PM
http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/6559.jpg

Si! I have an ERA near 4 and an 0-1 record, and I'm #11 on this list.

:thumbsup:

Chisox1500
04-19-2006, 06:43 PM
That list is worthless. Chris Young before anyone else on the roster of the World Series Champions? It's just another page 2 joke.

lizard6king6
04-19-2006, 06:49 PM
These are always a joke. Personally I dont care anymore, soon they'll have Shelton (Tigers) number 2 or something because hes doing good this season so far. I like ESPN but they are so bias.

MarySwiss
04-19-2006, 06:50 PM
And we should be surprised about this why? :?:

FedEx227
04-19-2006, 06:56 PM
Look no further then this drill-rods explination for this list:

These rankings are informed by Baseball Prospectus' projection system, PECOTA. Among its other bells and whistles, PECOTA predicts a player's value not only for the current season, but also for many years upcoming.

I like computer statistics, don't get me wrong, I think its a valuable tool, but COME ON can you at least edit your list a bit and put actual skill into it every once in awhile? I highly doubt Jhonny Peralta is the #15 most valuable player in the league.

thomas35forever
04-19-2006, 07:35 PM
Why is this list full of unproven players? Bryan McCann? Justin Upton? Some Japanese pitcher we've never heard of? What is this crap?

santo=dorf
04-19-2006, 07:47 PM
Why doesn't BP use that PETCO crap for something useful like predicting the winning Numbers of the Mega Millions for drawings to come? Afterall, both baseball and state lotteries are completely random and can be explained with stats that are only understandable by baseball gurus or to morons who pay for it.

RKMeibalane
04-19-2006, 07:48 PM
That list looks like one of jeremyb1's creations.

buehrle4cy05
04-19-2006, 07:48 PM
:rolleyes:

I'll take solice in the fact that we won the World Series last year. Oh, and also that we have a pretty damn good team this year, too.

samram
04-19-2006, 08:03 PM
I highly doubt Jhonny Peralta is the #15 most valuable player in the league.

No, but he's a most valuable reminder that the 'h' comes after the 'o' in Johnny. Plus, he's VORPtastic.

Lip Man 1
04-19-2006, 09:01 PM
It's ESPN right?

Do YOU care what those morons think?

I didn't think so.

Case closed.

Lip

Craig Grebeck
04-19-2006, 09:18 PM
Why is this list full of unproven players? Bryan McCann? Justin Upton? Some Japanese pitcher we've never heard of? What is this crap?
Come on, if you've never heard of Matzusaka then I don't even know what to say...the guy is an absolute animal, and once he hits MLB he could win multiple Cy Youngs.

That being said, this list is obviously for the present and future.

RealMenWearBlack
04-19-2006, 09:46 PM
It's ESPN right?


It's on ESPN.com, but it's written by a guy from Baseball Prospectus and on Page 2, so
:whocares

A. Cavatica
04-19-2006, 10:07 PM
This is just some idiot's list. "Informed by" PECOTA means he used PECOTA to justify some of his weirder choices and ignored it when he didn't agree with it.

It's obviously not about present value, or at least four of our starting pitchers would have to be on the list. It's obviously not future value, or Pedro Martinez wouldn't be there. It's not trade value (youth- and salary-adjusted), or Brandon McCarthy would be on there.

Maybe it's guys he owns in his Roto league and he wants to inflate their values. Or maybe he's YAJCF (Yet Another Jealous Cub Fan).

Mr. White Sox
04-19-2006, 10:09 PM
:whocares
I said in an earlier thread that I'm done with BP, and I meant it. I didn't even read it; it doesn't deserve my intellectual residue.

cws05champ
04-20-2006, 12:33 AM
Most valuable?? They must not have taken into account all the expensive World Series Champion rings all the Sox players are wearing!!!:cool:

white sox bill
04-20-2006, 06:27 AM
Linky Here: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=silver/060418

Not a single Sox.

Discuss.:angry:

Discuss? Try discusting! Like last yr, under the radar!

Steelrod
04-20-2006, 08:11 AM
The trouble with reporters is they feel they must write! This has to be the most uninformed article I have ever red. Our only hope is that he is a gambler, which with his insight, will put him next to Navin Johnson.

maurice
04-20-2006, 01:13 PM
It's obviously not about present value....It's obviously not future value....It's not trade value....

Right. This is really obvious when you consider Buerhle. He easily makes the top 50 (maybe even the top 20) using any of these criteria. He's still only 27 years old, left-handed, and makes $8 mil. this year. He's good for 16+ wins and 230+ innings every year, and posts a 3.something ERA in an extreme hitter's park in the AL.

Layla
04-20-2006, 04:50 PM
That being said, this list is obviously for the present and future.

And what's that Grinder Rule?

A reputation is not built on what you are going to do.

TaylorStSox
04-20-2006, 04:58 PM
BJ Upton? Jesus. I play a better SS. :rolleyes:

depy48
04-20-2006, 05:14 PM
I'm surprised Theo Epstein isnt number 1