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QCIASOXFAN
04-18-2006, 12:17 AM
I remember a guy named Joe Crede up until last year I turned off the t.v. when he came up to bat, I gurantee you all did to. Just let B.A. have at least a month before we throw him under the bus. We gave Crede 2 years and look at him now.

HotelWhiteSox
04-18-2006, 12:21 AM
I remember a guy named Joe Crede up until last year I turned off the t.v. when he came up to bat, I gurantee you all did to. Just let B.A. have at least a month before we throw him under the bus. We gave Crede 2 years and look at him now.

Nope, Crede has been a fav of mine from the start. I don't get why people are down on Anderson so early in the year, he is in the 9 spot, and is doing similar to our leadoff hitter and better than Mike Sweeney, who will both be fine

gbergman
04-18-2006, 02:46 AM
I don't get why people are down on Anderson so early in the year, he is in the 9 spot, and is doing similar to our leadoff hitter and better than Mike Sweeney, who will both be fine

Sweeney .114 AVG .262 OBP 1 hr 3 rbi 4 runs 4 BBs 10 SO 35 ABs
Anderson .143 AVG .211 OBP 0 hr 2 rbi 4 runs 3 BBs 16 SO 35 ABs
Podsednik .152 AVG .204 OBP 0 hr 2 rbi 6 runs 2 BBs 4 SO 46 ABs

anderson has 1 more hit than sweeney, sweeney 1 more walk and i take it a hbp due to OBP diff. so they are the same and sweeneys ks are lower so he is putting the ball in play more. Pods is getting out of his slump while anderson had a good opening night and has done nothing since. so hopefully anderson heats up enough to atleast cut his k totals down and put it in play

doublem23
04-18-2006, 04:40 AM
Robin Ventura started his career 0-41 or something like that.

The Sox offense is clicking pretty well right now, all the more reason to just let Anderson stay in the 9-hole, do his thing, and he will come around.

BeviBall!
04-18-2006, 07:48 AM
I remember a guy named Joe Crede up until last year I turned off the t.v. when he came up to bat, I gurantee you all did to.

You'd be wrong... Quad Cities Wrong!

LongLiveFisk
04-18-2006, 08:23 AM
Robin Ventura started his career 0-41 or something like that.

The Sox offense is clicking pretty well right now, all the more reason to just let Anderson stay in the 9-hole, do his thing, and he will come around.

I think Ventura had an 0-for-40 going for a while there but I don't think it was to start his career. :?:

(Edit: Unless, of course, my memory is failing me! :))

oeo
04-18-2006, 08:26 AM
He will be fine, it's obviously something in his head right now. He was dominating in Spring Training, and on Opening Night...since then there's just something that hasn't been working right. He'll pull it together, and like doublem said, as long as we're winning and our offense is clicking we can take the time to let him get into a groove.

Madvora
04-18-2006, 08:44 AM
As long as we have 4 players in the lineup hitting above .320, then Anderson will have his time to straighten things out. As long as we keep winning, then Anderson will still get his at-bats.

Jurr
04-18-2006, 08:52 AM
Robin Ventura started his career 0-41 or something like that.

The Sox offense is clicking pretty well right now, all the more reason to just let Anderson stay in the 9-hole, do his thing, and he will come around.
Exactly! I don't see what the big deal is right now. What...Brian Anderson hits a couple more times and the Sox might be one game better? Come on! I bet the people that make the comments to get rid of Anderson were experts at their jobs the first time they sat down to do them.

batmanZoSo
04-18-2006, 08:56 AM
The fact is most of the guys in the lineup are tearing the cover off the ball. Konerko's miraculously having a great April, batting .380, Thome's a god, Crede's on fire, Iguchi seems to like hitting in front of Thome, Dye and Pierzynski are solid and Pods is coming around in a hurry. Until Anderson starts hurting us, he's going to get his at-bats. As of now, he's the future in center field and we have to go through the growing pains just like we do with any other player.

viagracat
04-18-2006, 09:45 AM
Ozzie likes to give players a chance, especially if they approach the game right. There's obviously a limit to this, but as long as BA has the right attitude, he'll get his chances. And if he has the right attitude, he'll work it out. He showed a few signs of life last night. Looks like Pods is working out of his funk in a hurry. I expect the same from Garland.

rdwj
04-18-2006, 09:50 AM
I remember a guy named Joe Crede up until last year I turned off the t.v. when he came up to bat, I gurantee you all did to. Just let B.A. have at least a month before we throw him under the bus. We gave Crede 2 years and look at him now.

Crede has been a fav of mine for a LONG time. Even when his average wasn't very good, his glove MORE than made up for it. And besides, he's always been a good clutch hitter.

Don't tell me what you hit - tell me when you hit it!

kravdog
04-18-2006, 09:59 AM
our offense does not depend upon our centerfielder's production.

our pitching does depend on our centerfielders defense, and BA has been very good this season, with an excellent gem lastnight...

ohiosoxfan12
04-18-2006, 10:02 AM
It's not that Anderson rarely gets a hit, he strikes out ALMOST everytime, and is horrible in the clutch. Pods at least can hit a flyball and advance a baserunner.

1917
04-18-2006, 10:11 AM
I remember another CF who got off to a slow start, Aaron Rowand.....give Anderson some time, he will be fine, I'm glad we got Mack to back him up though

rdwj
04-18-2006, 10:13 AM
It's not that Anderson rarely gets a hit, he strikes out ALMOST everytime, and is horrible in the clutch. Pods at least can hit a flyball and advance a baserunner.


he's a rookie
He's batting 9th
you don't have a decent sample size yet

Chisox003
04-18-2006, 10:16 AM
I honestly cannot believe that people are calling for Anderson's head already

:rolleyes:

And I'm sure these will be the same posters who, in a month when he's on fire, will be back claiming BA was their favorite player all along

:rolleyes:

Give the kid some time, would ya? He's stepping into some HUGE shoes, not to mention on a World Champion...Just a little pressure, no?

Jurr
04-18-2006, 10:16 AM
I remember a guy named Joe Crede up until last year I turned off the t.v. when he came up to bat, I gurantee you all did to. Just let B.A. have at least a month before we throw him under the bus. We gave Crede 2 years and look at him now.
I just cannot stop laughing at the thought of someone actually picking up their remote and turning the damn game off when Joe stepped up to bat. That is very funny, and I don't know why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hangar18
04-18-2006, 10:27 AM
He will be fine, it's obviously something in his head right now. He was dominating in Spring Training, and on Opening Night...since then there's just something that hasn't been working right. He'll pull it together, and like doublem said, as long as we're winning and our offense is clicking we can take the time to let him get into a groove.

I got to take a nice long look at him last nite ....... and yes, its all mental.
He just needs to get up there with a plan regarding each pitcher. He has to stop taking a bad swing, because he ALWAYS ends up behind in the count, and the pitchers know they can make him look like a ROOKIE at that point.
The one time he got himself a hit, he had a good count. Thats all he has to do, is get up there and work into a hitters count. At that point, its alittle luck too, he'll mostly only get ONE pitch to hit, and its important he remember to work the count so he can see that pitch. Theres something about him that I really like, I got that feeling about Crede way back in the day, and a guy named Rowand back in the day. Just give him some off days, so that he really doesnt get down on himself, and keep him in the no. 9 spot, we actually can afford to do this with him right now .....

credefan24
04-18-2006, 10:33 AM
When I see people complaining about Anderson, I have to ask, what is it exactly you'd want him to be doing now? Batting .275, .290, .300? The guy is a rookie, he needs time to adjust to the major leagues!
lets all support BA and hope that Walker, Oz, and the rest of the team give their support as well. The rest of the lineup is hitting pretty well, just the right time for BA to get the at bats he needs.

we be jake
04-18-2006, 11:17 AM
...yes he will!! I just hope he's not a Journey fan.

:cool: we be jake

JorgeFabregas
04-18-2006, 11:26 AM
He's the best defensive CF on our club. Defense up the middle is important. He seems a natural athlete a la Mike Cameron and his hitting will come around.

Hangar18
04-18-2006, 11:57 AM
When I see people complaining about Anderson, I have to ask, what is it exactly you'd want him to be doing now? Batting .275, .290, .300? The guy is a rookie...............................

People need to remember, this is the American League, a far far far tougher league to be breaking into than over in the NL.

LongLiveFisk
04-18-2006, 12:03 PM
...yes he will!! I just hope he's not a Journey fan.

:cool: we be jake

They're ALL Journey fans now. :wink: :tongue:

Chicken Dinner
04-18-2006, 12:15 PM
People need to remember, this is the American League, a far far far tougher league to be breaking into than over in the NL.

He's got a higher batting avg. than Bonds. :o:

slobes
04-18-2006, 01:44 PM
[quote=doublem23]Robin Ventura started his career 0-41 or something like that.quote]

Yeah but he had a 58 game hitting streak at Oklahoma State, and they just had to cancel each other out.

esbrechtel
04-18-2006, 01:54 PM
i liked crede from his start because of his D.....now that he has a bat i like him more, im sure anderson will be fine but until then im still gonna complain when he comes up to bat

Irishsox1
04-18-2006, 02:15 PM
I hope that Anderson can get it going, but how long do you stick with a strggling rookie before you send them down? Yes, Rowand struggled, but he was sent down for a while, Mickey Mantle was sent down for a while, Bernie Williams was sent down for most of his second season, a lot of great players have been sent down for a while to catch their breath and then come back with a lot more confidence. I'm saying that if Anderson is still hitting below .200 and looking horrible at the plate by mid May, maybe a stint down on the farm would help him in the long run. It seems worse this year, because he hit .176 last year, hitting .143 this year and everytime the White Sox have the bases loaded he comes to bat and strikes out on three pitches. For some reason when a player struggles in baseball, they always come to bat with the bases loaded.

EndemicSox
04-18-2006, 02:21 PM
Same boat, in a drunken stupor, I bet a man that will hold me to my bet, that Crede will hit over .285 once in his career(+400AB). If he doesn't, I'm out ten grand. I've hated Crede since that day back in '01, but man, I'm loving him now. Anderson has the tools, so give him time, even if he needs a little refresher course in the minors.

EDIT: Although I love Crede, and worship his defensive ability, I have a feeling I will be owing a friend a paycheck come 2016.

thomas35forever
04-18-2006, 05:01 PM
My dad told me after a devasting loss to the Twins back in '04 that a team couldn't win a World Series with a Joe Crede and a Joe Borchard. My opinion of Crede has changed in the past year. He's our clutch guy.

TDog
04-18-2006, 05:14 PM
He's got a higher batting avg. than Bonds. :o:

And Anderson probably has more home runs in his future than Bonds does in his.

Still, people were talking last year his .176 batting average didn't mean anything because he would revert to his minor league numbers with his starting role in 2006. I like him in center for his defense, but offensively, as I expected, this year they might be getting more production out of Joe Borchard.

Nobody around here wanted that.

gbergman
04-18-2006, 05:17 PM
anderson will get hot sooner or later i just dont see him hitting much more than 40 points over the mendoza line. honestly it be much easier not to ridicule him if he would make his outs by putting the ball in play not k ing so much.

FedEx227
04-18-2006, 05:19 PM
I just cannot stop laughing at the thought of someone actually picking up their remote and turning the damn game off when Joe stepped up to bat. That is very funny, and I don't know why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I use to cover my face with a White Sox hat when I was in attendance and he was up. After 3 consecutive Joe Crede homeruns when I did that, it has never been done since. But he was THAT unwatchable for a time, because you just KNEW it was a DP or a Strikeout.

QCIASOXFAN
04-18-2006, 05:34 PM
I use to cover my face with a White Sox hat when I was in attendance and he was up. After 3 consecutive Joe Crede homeruns when I did that, it has never been done since. But he was THAT unwatchable for a time, because you just KNEW it was a DP or a Strikeout. Thats what I meant. He was that bad.

SoxEd
04-18-2006, 06:10 PM
Thats what I meant. He was that bad.

Whew!
When I first read this, I thought that you were Shoota-Redux!
:o:

I agree with you about BA - in my expert opinion he just needs time to settle in.
If he starts to get hung up on the hitting problem, or if his non-production starts hurting us, then I'm sure the Sox Coaches will send him down to Charlotte for a bit to get his head straightened out.

I imagine it's a pretty big jump to be starting every day on a World Champion team, with EVERY other team gunning for you, and coming in to replace someone as popular as Aaron.
If you start off in a slump I imagine it starts to play on your mind, 'some'.

He'll be fine - just give him time.
He probably just needs to get some daft infield dribbler basehit a couple of times to give him confidence.

What's that Yogi Berra quote..?
Baseball is 90% mental; and the other half is physical.

StatHead21
04-19-2006, 03:08 AM
Anderson needs time but with the deep American League I don't think the Sox can afford to give him this time....

FedEx227
04-19-2006, 04:21 PM
Um... not many teams in the AL have as good of a lineup as us. Infact only a few teams I can think of New York, Boston, Cleveland have a better lineup then us on paper.

likeawarlord
04-19-2006, 04:34 PM
Thats what I meant. He was that bad.

with the exception of 2004, his 3rd season as a major league starter, no, he was not.

anderson's struggles can be chalked up to the fact that he's a rookie, but crede got better before he got worse. your memory may be foggy on that, but the numbers show he wasn't nearly as bad as you make him out to be.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/credejo01.shtml

his first playing time as a regular in 2002 was very impressive.

RKMeibalane
04-19-2006, 04:42 PM
I remember a guy named Joe Crede up until last year I turned off the t.v. when he came up to bat, I gurantee you all did to. Just let B.A. have at least a month before we throw him under the bus. We gave Crede 2 years and look at him now.

Actually, I didn't turn the TV off when he was hitting. The only time I've done that was when The Choice was around.

thechico
04-19-2006, 05:33 PM
You'd be wrong... Quad Cities Wrong!

I lived in Moline for about 3 years. What the hey is Quad Cities wrong? Lemme guess, Rock Island?

hi im skot
04-19-2006, 07:00 PM
My dad told me after a devasting loss to the Twins back in '04 that a team couldn't win a World Series with a Joe Crede and a Joe Borchard. My opinion of Crede has changed in the past year. He's our clutch guy.

what are we going to do without borchard?