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SABRSox
04-16-2006, 04:17 PM
The game was finally called. Sox win 6-4.

Edit: Is it just me, or should that 5th inning never have happened, considering how bad the field conditions got?

gobears1987
04-16-2006, 04:20 PM
Who gets PTC?

gobears1987
04-16-2006, 04:20 PM
How bout Pods? SB 1 and he screwed up Towers forcing a Balk. Not to mention the triple.

0o0o0
04-16-2006, 04:21 PM
Good half game, although I missed most of it due to taking shelter from a tornado down here in Bloomington/Normal. Definitely good to see Pods get it going a bit.

SectionBNole
04-16-2006, 04:22 PM
WoooHoooo we win!

:bandance:

Good to see Pods hitting the ball today!

VenturaFan23
04-16-2006, 04:22 PM
Just got home from the game. Glad we won. But I'm 2 for 2 in games with rain delays :angry: (went to opening night too). At least I'm 2 for 2 in wins when I'm in attendance though :smile:

Taliesinrk
04-16-2006, 04:22 PM
A WHITE SOX WINNER!!!

boy.. you guys are fast.. how did you already know it was called?

chisoxmike
04-16-2006, 04:23 PM
:rolling:

Sorry Jays, PTC should be the rain.:D:

chisoxmike
04-16-2006, 04:23 PM
A WHITE SOX WINNER!!!

boy.. you guys are fast.. how did you already know it was called?

Just announced on WGN

anewman35
04-16-2006, 04:24 PM
Edit: Is it just me, or should that 5 inning never have happened, considering how bad the field conditions got?

Well, if it hadn't, the Sox would have lost a win, so let's not complain...

Taliesinrk
04-16-2006, 04:24 PM
Just announced on WGN

it was announced on WGN at like 5:21.. the first post was 5:17... I heard it on WGN too..

Taliesinrk
04-16-2006, 04:25 PM
:rolling:

Sorry Jays, PTC should be the rain.:D:

I know you were joking.. but there's no way the PTC should be the rain; nor should you be sorry for the Jays. If not for the rain, the Jays would have scored 0 today in 9 innings. The only reason they played in that garbage was b/c they were trying to make the game official.

SoLongFrank
04-16-2006, 04:25 PM
Can you change the title? I think some might be confused that the Sox actually won it. Detroit beat Cleveland 1-0 so the White Sox are now trailing just Detroit by 1/2 a game. :tongue:

SoLongFrank
04-16-2006, 04:27 PM
I know you were joking.. but there's no way the PTC should be the rain; nor should you be sorry for the Jays. If not for the rain, the Jays would have scored 0 today in 9 innings. The only reason they played in that garbage was b/c they were trying to make the game official.

One bad inning by Garcia & I lost the PTC. At least he got the win.

Taliesinrk
04-16-2006, 04:27 PM
Can you change the title? I think some might be confused that the Sox actually won it. Detroit beat Cleveland 1-0 so the White Sox are now trailing just Detroit by 1/2 a game. :tongue:

wait.. the Sox did win. the game was played for 4 1/2 innings w/ the home team winning. The Sox are tied for first now... right?

cbotnyse
04-16-2006, 04:28 PM
great to see Pods hit that triple, then have a SB as well......a win is a win, but wow did the field look bad in the 5th, as close to unplayable as you could get....

South Side
04-16-2006, 04:29 PM
Can you change the title? I think some might be confused that the Sox actually won it. Detroit beat Cleveland 1-0 so the White Sox are now trailing just Detroit by 1/2 a game. :tongue:

What are you talking about? They did win it. It's an official game.

MERPER
04-16-2006, 04:29 PM
The 5th inning never should have happened... Freddy, Ozzie and Glaus all looked pissed at different times...

My guess is that during the first rain delay they looked at a radar and talked to MLB in NYC and were told to get the game complete and then end it, it was unfortunate that Freddy began the 5th with a single and walk as it allowed the rain to really effect the inning... But that is Toronto's only trip to USCF this year and I don't think MLB wanted to make them waste an off-day this early in the year to travel back and make up the game.. plus, Toronto has to travel...

WhiteSoxFan84
04-16-2006, 04:30 PM
pods better be the PTC!

i predicted his statline would be: 2/4, 2 R, 2 SB, 1 2B
his actual statline turned out as: 2/3, 2 R, 1 SB, 1 3B

if it wasnt for the damn rain he would've walked and flied out and stole a base after being walked to make my statline look perfect except for the 2B being a 3B!! :angry: (face also in teal)

Chicken Dinner
04-16-2006, 04:32 PM
6 walks in 5 innings not to mention walking people in is NOT acceptable.

Frater Perdurabo
04-16-2006, 04:33 PM
Good call. There's no reason for either team to risk injury.

The bullpen stays fresh. The less these guys have to pitch, the better they are and the better off the Sox are.

As much as I'd like to go off on Garcia for all those walks, I really can't criticize a guy for having control problems with a soaking wet ball.

Good to see Thome, Konerko and Dye really starting to click. Having a powerful left-handed bat in the middle of the lineup like Thome really changes the dynamic. From 2000-2004, the Frank-Maggs-Lee-Konerko show got hot together and cold together, in large part because they were all right-handed.

Good to see Pods get the leadoff triple, the 2nd inning steal, and score two runs today. Let's hope he can use today's game to build confidence and really get going. This lineup has produced runs for almost two weeks with an almost automatic out at the leadoff spot. Imagine how much more this engine will purr once Pods starts getting on base more.
:supernana:

I want Mags back
04-16-2006, 04:34 PM
it was announced on WGN at like 5:21.. the first post was 5:17... I heard it on WGN too..

Its only 4:30 right now, oh wait, ur in eastern time

Chisox003
04-16-2006, 04:35 PM
6 walks in 5 innings not to mention walking people in is NOT acceptable.
Ya, especially when it's absolutely pouring for 4 of those walks

:rolleyes:

Good win, let's just keep takin series and we'll be just fine

:gulp:

jortafan
04-16-2006, 04:37 PM
wait.. the Sox did win. the game was played for 4 1/2 innings w/ the home team winning. The Sox are tied for first now... right?

Right now, it is a three-way tie for first place in the AL Central between our team, the Indians and the Tigers. Should the Twins manage to beat the Yankees Sunday night, it will become a four-way tie for first.

Frater Perdurabo
04-16-2006, 04:38 PM
6 walks in 5 innings not to mention walking people in is NOT acceptable.

I agree, but I don't think even a guy with pinpoint accuracy like Moyer, Maddux or Buehrle would have much control throwing a soaking wet ball.

Garcia's other two walks were in the first inning, when he almost always struggles. I'm willing to give him a pass on the walks today. The bottom line is that the Sox won.

stl_sox_fan
04-16-2006, 04:40 PM
I know the umps were just trying to get a regulation ball game in but that fifth inning crossed way into rigoddamdiculous territory. If someone had injured themselved on those lovely field conditions we would have been screaming for the crew chief's head!

gbergman
04-16-2006, 04:42 PM
good win. i think they played that half of the fifth because the white sox had such a big lead that it almost would of been unfair to not finish that half and have the game get restarted. Only reason it became 6-4 is because of wet conditions

ilsox7
04-16-2006, 04:43 PM
And statheads said our luck would run out this year! Ha! Apparently rain does not regress to the mean.

TheOldRoman
04-16-2006, 04:44 PM
Well, after the 5th inning I am just glad that the game was called. Not only because the conditions are horrible, but we got the win.

It was great so see Scotty start to come out of it with two big hits and a steal. If he gets back into the swing of things we will be scoring as much as any other team.

Also, Garcia was dealing up until the 5th. I understand why he had problems then, so I am just tossing out that inning. He settled down after the first, and his velocity was up again.

This is gotta be a rough day to be a dark cloud.

jdm2662
04-16-2006, 04:46 PM
If the Sox weren't up 6-0, they would've never played through that. Good thing they held on. It would've gotten mighty ugly. Every player seemed like why the hell are we out here. In any case, it's a win. I'm not complaining too much.

SectionBNole
04-16-2006, 04:53 PM
I would have been so mad if the game was called before it was official and Thome's HR didnt count.

viagracat
04-16-2006, 04:54 PM
The 5th inning never should have happened... Freddy, Ozzie and Glaus all looked pissed at different times...

My guess is that during the first rain delay they looked at a radar and talked to MLB in NYC and were told to get the game complete and then end it, it was unfortunate that Freddy began the 5th with a single and walk as it allowed the rain to really effect the inning... But that is Toronto's only trip to USCF this year and I don't think MLB wanted to make them waste an off-day this early in the year to travel back and make up the game.. plus, Toronto has to travel...

Yeah, looking at the radar they knew they'd never get it in if they called it before it was official. And yes, this was the last time the Jays were scheduled to be here, so they were going to do whatever it took to make it official. I do agree the 5th was played in about the worst field conditions I've ever seen, and under any other scenario they would not have continued.

Good to see Pods get his first steal, then fluster Towers into a bad balk to advance to third. And another big boomer by Thome. You hate to ever see a 4 1/2 inning game, but it's easier to take when you have a White Sox Winner!

viagracat
04-16-2006, 04:57 PM
This is gotta be a rough day to be a dark cloud.[/quote]

In a way the dark clouds were our friends today...:D:

dickallen15
04-16-2006, 05:09 PM
Freddy pissed me off today, showing up Iguchi with a little tantrum after Iguchi's "error". If Freddy could have thrown strikes the first 20 minutes of that inning there wouldn't have been ponds forming on the infield. How does a guy who walks 4 in an inning get pissed off at his defense?

SoLongFrank
04-16-2006, 05:13 PM
Yeah, looking at the radar they knew they'd never get it in if they called it before it was official. And yes, this was the last time the Jays were scheduled to be here, so they were going to do whatever it took to make it official. I do agree the 5th was played in about the worst field conditions I've ever seen, and under any other scenario they would not have continued.


It wasn't just the rain. It was brutally cold out there. You could see Garcia shaking. If the home team is winning you just need 4.5 ip to make it official. If the visiting team is winning you need the full 5 ip. Thank God they didn't tie it up.

In general I think whenever the Sox win we should put that in the official thread title. It's a way of officially pronouncing & celebrating the victory here at WSI.

itsnotrequired
04-16-2006, 05:15 PM
Just got back. A bit of a wet one but I'll take the win. The warm weather can't come fast enough.

Sig update time.

Lip Man 1
04-16-2006, 05:42 PM
That final half inning should never have been played although as a Sox fan I'm glad they did.

Regarding Garcia...as a former pitcher it's very hard to have any control in that type of weather. Your hand is numb and the ball is slick, wet and cold.

I'd cut him some slack.

A win is a win is a win. Six of seven with the Royals coming in...a chance to make some 'hay' and pad that won/lost record.

:smile:

Frankfan4life
04-16-2006, 05:55 PM
I'm happy about the win. The Sox scored early and often, which was a good thing. The Jays had an opportunity to either tie it up or take the lead. The field conditions were so horrible that a few ground balls or bunts might have turned the game around for them. Fortunately, Garcia won the battle and got the strike outs he needed.

In addition to the Sox win, the Toons lost and it looks like the Evil Empire is going to beat the Twinkies. The Sox are in first place so this makes it a very Happy Easter for me. :D:

SoLongFrank
04-16-2006, 05:59 PM
I think Ozzie did the right thing by leaving Garcia in like that. He had time to get adjusted to the cold win before the rain came pouring down. The guys in the bullpen would have been fresh meat & I think it would have been harder for them to adjust to those conditions.

I think the umpire should have gone a little easier on Freddy. Some of those ball calls were borderline & the walks changed the complexion of the game. I think Freddy got visibly upset with that. Here he is trying to get the game in the books & the ump is squeezing the zone on him.

HomeFish
04-16-2006, 05:59 PM
A win is a win is a win. Six of seven with the Royals coming in...a chance to make some 'hay' and pad that won/lost record.

Remember how happy we were to have the Royals coming up next after the vs CLE series? Don't underestimate the Royals. As Ed Farmer says, a major leaguer player with a bat in his hands is always dangerous, even if its some kid hitting .180 for the Royals.

mike squires
04-16-2006, 06:08 PM
Well, if it hadn't, the Sox would have lost a win, so let's not complain...


Hey, that sounds like something Yogi Berra would have said!

batmanZoSo
04-16-2006, 06:11 PM
Two out of three at home and tied for first. Mission accomplished there. Now it's time to take care of KC like they're supposed to.

whitesoxfan
04-16-2006, 06:23 PM
2 out of 3 from Toronto, job well done.

Let's take it to KC. I smell sweet revenge for last weekend coming up this week for the Sox :smile:

ilsox7
04-16-2006, 06:46 PM
I think Ozzie did the right thing by leaving Garcia in like that. He had time to get adjusted to the cold win before the rain came pouring down. The guys in the bullpen would have been fresh meat & I think it would have been harder for them to adjust to those conditions.

I think the umpire should have gone a little easier on Freddy. Some of those ball calls were borderline & the walks changed the complexion of the game. I think Freddy got visibly upset with that. Here he is trying to get the game in the books & the ump is squeezing the zone on him.
Not at all. The ump had a very consistent strike zone the entire game. Props to him for not changing his ways just to get a game in. Whether or not they should have even been playing is another question, though...

winning ugly 72
04-16-2006, 06:51 PM
good win today it is good to see pods starting to hit

Railsplitter
04-16-2006, 07:34 PM
Was that a ball field, a swamp, or a rice paddy? It was hard to tell.

Scottiehaswheels
04-16-2006, 07:35 PM
Mark is getting fined for his tarp sliding.... that and the hand gesture that the idiot that ran out to tarp slide took as an invitation to do so.... no more Mark tarp slides.... :(:

ilsox7
04-16-2006, 07:37 PM
Mark is getting fined for his tarp sliding.... that and the hand gesture that the idiot that ran out to tarp slide took as an invitation to do so.... no more Mark tarp slides.... :smile:

Fixed that for you.

SoxSpeed22
04-16-2006, 07:37 PM
Mark is getting fined for his tarp sliding.... that and the hand gesture that the idiot that ran out to tarp slide took as an invitation to do so.... no more Mark tarp slides.... :(:Truly a grim day for all.

SoLongFrank
04-16-2006, 07:39 PM
Not at all. The ump had a very consistent strike zone the entire game. Props to him for not changing his ways just to get a game in. Whether or not they should have even been playing is another question, though...

I'll agree he was consistently squeezing the zone on him. He didn't give him the corner pitches that Garcia usually gets. Other guys take the attitude that if any portion of the ball looks to have crossed a corner it's a strike. This guy wasn't doing that. He took the attitude that most of the ball needs to cross the corner. Garcia has a tougher time with those kind of umps.

dickallen15
04-16-2006, 07:51 PM
Remember how happy we were to have the Royals coming up next after the vs CLE series? Don't underestimate the Royals. As Ed Farmer says, a major leaguer player with a bat in his hands is always dangerous, even if its some kid hitting .180 for the Royals.

The White Sox are the only team KC has beat this year.2-1 against the Sox, 0-8 against the rest of MLB.

HomeFish
04-16-2006, 08:04 PM
The White Sox are the only team KC has beat this year.2-1 against the Sox, 0-8 against the rest of MLB.

And this is supposed to make me feel better about our chances in the upcoming series how?

Fabs
04-16-2006, 08:05 PM
What! My boy's getting fined!!! No more tarp sliding! :(: But that's the best...
We all know lefties are all a bit off....

South Side
04-16-2006, 08:17 PM
Mark is getting fined for his tarp sliding.... that and the hand gesture that the idiot that ran out to tarp slide took as an invitation to do so.... no more Mark tarp slides.... :(:

Wow... did I miss something? A fan went on the field and slid on the tarp??

Scottiehaswheels
04-16-2006, 08:24 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060416&content_id=1403992&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

describes the whole thing

Lip Man 1
04-16-2006, 08:29 PM
Homefish:

Reading is an acquired skill. To wit:

"a CHANCE to make some hay and pad the won/lost record."

Thank you. Now please go draw up a graph estimating the Royals chances tomorrow night.

I simply want the Sox to win 'series' this early in the season. I think there is a better then average shot of doing this to Kansas City, especially at home.

Please.....

Lip

Lip Man 1
04-16-2006, 08:30 PM
To those who had some tough words for Garcia's performance this afternoon something to consider. From White Sox.com:

"I was getting the ball back from the umpire, and they were already wet by the time I was throwing them back to Freddy [Garcia]," added White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski. "The last inning, the field was under water, basically."

Lip

South Side
04-16-2006, 08:30 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060416&content_id=1403992&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

describes the whole thing

Wow... some people just absolutely amaze me with their stupidity. Why can't these morons realize fans don't belong on the fields??? This drives me absolutely insane. Follow the goddamn rules! Going to a ballgame does not give you free reign to do whatever you want and act like an *******. STAY HOME.

MrRoboto83
04-16-2006, 08:36 PM
Wow... some people just absolutely amaze me with their stupidity. Why can't these morons realize fans don't belong on the fields??? This drives me absolutely insane. Follow the goddamn rules! Going to a ballgame does not give you free reign to do whatever you want and act like an *******. STAY HOME.

Still the fact that Buerhle is getting in trouble about this is insane. Mark likes to make people laugh, that along with being a great pitcher is why he is such a fan favorite.

South Side
04-16-2006, 08:51 PM
Still the fact that Buerhle is getting in trouble about this is insane. Mark likes to make people laugh, that along with being a great pitcher is why he is such a fan favorite.

Eh, I disagree somewhat. I know Mark likes to joke around and it should be okay to do but because of idiots like this one he can't. It's like one idiot ruins it for everyone. You can't have your player encouraging people to go out on the field... whether he meant it to come across like that or not which I am sure he didn't!

Lip Man 1
04-16-2006, 08:53 PM
Mark is not getting into 'trouble' because of what the fan did....he also is running a risk for injury. That's why Ozzie and Kenny are bugged.

It may also be in his contract that he can't do anything 'dangerous' outside of the 'normal' conditions of playing baseball...if it is and he gets hurt it could violate his contract.

Look I know Mark means well and I'm not coming down hard on him but what happens if he dislocates a shoulder?

Is missing two months 'worth' entertaining fans during a rain delay?

Just my own opinion but I'm 'entertained' more when he's pitching a three hitter in two hours.

Lip

viagracat
04-16-2006, 08:59 PM
Eh, I disagree somewhat. I know Mark likes to joke around and it should be okay to do but because of idiots like this one he can't. It's like one idiot ruins it for everyone. You can't have your player encouraging people to go out on the field... whether he meant it to come across like that or not which I am sure he didn't!

Gotta agree with South Side on this one. Not cool. Besides, he could've gottern hurt doing that. Then what? Winning ball games will impress me much more than any tarp slide.
Since they won, :gulp:

Edit: Ahhh, Lip pretty much posted the same thoughts I just did at the same time. But he did it so much better than I did. So ignore this post and I'll go have another :gulp:

SoLongFrank
04-16-2006, 09:09 PM
All I have to say on the issue of Mark's tarp sliding days is that if it's a deal breaker let him slide. I would hate to lose him to Cards over this.

There's no I in TEAM but that word shrinks a LOT when you lose someone like Mark. I never bought into the whole getting hurt on the silde argument. The odds of that happening for a pro turf sliding dude like Mark are slim to none.

What would be best for the White Sox is for MLB to slam the hammer instead.

MrRoboto83
04-16-2006, 09:10 PM
It may also be in his contract that he can't do anything 'dangerous' outside of the 'normal' conditions of playing baseball...if it is and he gets hurt it could violate his contract.

Look I know Mark means well and I'm not coming down hard on him but what happens if he dislocates a shoulder?


Lip

I don't see how that could be any more dangerous than weight training, conditioning, etc. Is it a no no for players to go snow skiing in the off season because it is dangerous? I used to play on a slip and slide all day in the summer when I was a kid and I never got hurt in any way.

jenn2080
04-16-2006, 09:24 PM
It is unreal. I hope Mark doesnt change his ways on the team. He is a great contribution to the team

Frater Perdurabo
04-16-2006, 09:25 PM
All I have to say on the issue of Mark's tarp sliding days is that if it's a deal breaker let him slide. I would hate to lose him to Cards over this.

There's no I in TEAM but that word shrinks a LOT when you lose someone like Mark. I never bought into the whole getting hurt on the silde argument. The odds of that happening for a pro turf sliding dude like Mark are slim to none.

What would be best for the White Sox is for MLB to slam the hammer instead.

All this would be forgotten with a nice offer of a lengthy contract extension from the Sox to Mark.

DickAllen72
04-16-2006, 09:27 PM
Freddy pissed me off today, showing up Iguchi with a little tantrum after Iguchi's "error". If Freddy could have thrown strikes the first 20 minutes of that inning there wouldn't have been ponds forming on the infield. How does a guy who walks 4 in an inning get pissed off at his defense?

Thank you! You took the words right out of my mouth (or right off of my keyboard).

I don't know what's up with Freddy throwing 85mph fastballs, and now he can't even throw strikes. Then he has the nerve to show up Iguchi for not making a play on a soaking wet field after standing around for twenty minutes watching Freddy throw balls and lobbing an occasional meatball over the plate. I know Freddy was probably frustrated with himself as well, but come on.

It was good to hear Ozzie apologized to Iguchi for Garcia's reaction.

I'm not ready to give up on Freddy (yet), but he is quickly becoming my least favorite pitcher on the White Sox' eleven man staff.

Maybe he's hurt??? :?:

voodoochile
04-16-2006, 09:27 PM
All this would be forgotten with a nice offer of a lengthy contract extension from the Sox to Mark.

Maybe if he's stop acting like some 16 YO stoner he might get that offer...

SoLongFrank
04-16-2006, 09:34 PM
Maybe if he's stop acting like some 16 YO stoner he might get that offer...

I don't think there's a team in the league that wouldn't jump at the chance to sign or trade for Mark right now. That includes the Florida Marlins. You aren't just talking about one of the best LH starters in the game today. You're talking about one of the best work horses period in the game.

goon
04-16-2006, 09:38 PM
I don't know what's up with Freddy throwing 85mph fastballs, and now he can't even throw strikes.


i didn't see all of the game, but i did turn it on for a few minutes and i could have sworn i saw freddy hit 90 MPH at least twice. but yes, i do agree, he looks lathargic out there. i'm used to freddy looking like that from time to time, but with exception to one start (spring training included) this season, he looks consistently uninterested and lazy on the mound.

MrRoboto83
04-16-2006, 09:38 PM
Maybe if he's stop acting like some 16 YO stoner he might get that offer...

16 YO yeah, but a stoner?

voodoochile
04-16-2006, 09:38 PM
I don't think there's a team in the league that wouldn't jump at the chance to sign or trade for Mark right now. That includes the Florida Marlins. You aren't just talking about one of the best LH starters in the game today. You're talking about one of the best work horses period in the game.

Oh, I agree, but if he keeps acting like an idiot, you don't think it affects the offers he will receive?

Can Mark play ball without tarp sliding? Sure.

He has already said his days of doing it are over. Great... good job Mark.

Hey, I hope he gets a nice long fat contract, retires in pinstripes with 300+ wins and goes to the HOF with 5 WS rings on his fingers.

It would be a real shame if he blew out a shoulder landing awkwardly while doing something as silly and childish as sliding on a tarp for the delight of a bunch of rain soaked drunks...

SoLongFrank
04-16-2006, 09:41 PM
i didn't see all of the game, but i did turn it on for a few minutes and i could have sworn i saw freddy hit 90 MPH at least twice. but yes, i do agree, he looks lathargic out there. i'm used to freddy looking like that from time to time, but with exception to one start (spring training included) this season, he looks consistently uninterested and lazy on the mound.
Seriously, when have you not seen Garcia look uninterested & lazy on the mound. The guy's as laid back there as it come. When I watch him through the binocs I think he's going to pass out. He takes his sweet time going up & down the mound between pitches.

But in the same token I swear he looks like he throws effortlessly. Barely a leg kick or any body motion. Nearly all arm. Other than freak of nature I can't explain how he can even get to 95-96.

MrRoboto83
04-16-2006, 09:44 PM
Seriously, when have you not seen Garcia look uninterested & lazy on the mound. The guy's as laid back there as it come. When I watch him through the binocs I think he's going to pass out. He takes his sweet time going up & down the mound between pitches.

But in the same token I swear he looks like he throws effortlessly. Barely a leg kick or any body motion. Nearly all arm. Other than freak of nature I can't explain how he can even get to 95-96.

That's why they say he has a good arm.

Lip Man 1
04-16-2006, 10:31 PM
Roboto:

Guys HAVE to weight train, guys HAVE to stretch, guys HAVE to run sprints in training as part of their preperation for the season.

Players DO NOT have to play on a slip and slide as part of their baseball activities.

I don't mean this to be disrespectful but if you got hurt on your slip and slide a possible pennant race wouldn't have been affected would it?

Stay off the tarp Mark. If you are looking for real enjoyment win 20 games and get back to the post-season.

Lip

South Side
04-16-2006, 10:34 PM
Wow... you people are taking this entirely too seriously. So, because he can't slide on a tarp he's going to go sign with the Cardinals? It's also going to ruin the dynamic on the team? A little dramatic, no? Yeah, it's fun to watch him do it but if he's told not to I think he's a mature enough adult to not pout about it. Settle down...

QCIASOXFAN
04-16-2006, 11:13 PM
Scotty Po Po looks to be back in top form. Yeeessss!

goon
04-16-2006, 11:27 PM
Seriously, when have you not seen Garcia look uninterested & lazy on the mound. The guy's as laid back there as it come. When I watch him through the binocs I think he's going to pass out. He takes his sweet time going up & down the mound between pitches.

But in the same token I swear he looks like he throws effortlessly. Barely a leg kick or any body motion. Nearly all arm. Other than freak of nature I can't explain how he can even get to 95-96.



well, i think there is a bit of a difference between laid back and being uninterested. freddy is always laid back, sometimes he just doesn't have it and doesn't pretend too, i'm not putting him down, that's just freddy. i understand freddy works slow as well, but that has nothing to do with being uninterested in the game, that's a routine that plenty of pitchers have, but from what i've seen of freddy this year he just doesn't seem to give a ****. i'm sure it's just in my head though, at least i hope.

JB98
04-16-2006, 11:48 PM
Freddy pissed me off today, showing up Iguchi with a little tantrum after Iguchi's "error". If Freddy could have thrown strikes the first 20 minutes of that inning there wouldn't have been ponds forming on the infield. How does a guy who walks 4 in an inning get pissed off at his defense?

My sentiments exactly. From my seat behind home plate, I was screaming at Freddy to throw strikes and get us off the field.

When the fifth inning started, it was raining. But the field was still very playable. The umpires were correct to continue the game and try to make it official. The problem was Garcia threw about 45 pitches in that interminable inning. The field conditions deteriorated quickly because there was no break in the action for 25 minutes or a half hour, and no opportunity for the grounds crew to put down some diamond dry. As Sox fans, how would we feel if they would have called the game with two outs in the fifth? There would be a 500-post outburst of anger on this board. I'm glad we got the third out and the victory.

I won't excuse Garcia's wildness. He got all pissed off after Iguchi's error, and he showed Tadahito up unnecessarily. It was Freddy's own damn fault that we were in that mess. After the error, magically and suddenly, Garcia rediscovered the strike zone and retired Hinske with ease. If he had done that earlier, all this would be a non-issue.

JB98
04-16-2006, 11:53 PM
Wow... you people are taking this entirely too seriously. So, because he can't slide on a tarp he's going to go sign with the Cardinals? It's also going to ruin the dynamic on the team? A little dramatic, no? Yeah, it's fun to watch him do it but if he's told not to I think he's a mature enough adult to not pout about it. Settle down...

I'm with you. Mark is being paid about $8 million a year. For that kind of money, I think he'll be willing to accept no tarp-sliding as a condition of employment.

Grzegorz
04-17-2006, 05:07 AM
That final half inning should never have been played although as a Sox fan I'm glad they did.


The White Sox should have been swinging instead of taking pitches in the bottom of the fourth; they knew the storm was coming and that in all likelyhood the game would be called.

Get the game official and spare the mess that the game so devolved into.

Those were the worst conditions I've ever seen on a baseball field. I've played on some bad softball fields in my time but never when the ball could be hydroplaned through any part on the infield.

As for Garcia, he lost his composure. You play as a team; suck it up and concentrate.

MrRoboto83
04-17-2006, 05:26 AM
As for Garcia, he lost his composure. You play as a team; suck it up and concentrate.


I don't think Freddy could grip the ball, that was the problem

Madvora
04-17-2006, 09:01 AM
I won't excuse Garcia's wildness. He got all pissed off after Iguchi's error, and he showed Tadahito up unnecessarily. It was Freddy's own damn fault that we were in that mess.
Exactly. I didn't even hear about about him getting pissed at Iguchi until reading it in the paper this morning. Maybe I missed it on TV, did they even show it?
Freddy had what... 4 walks in that inning? It's all his fault. I know that he had to rush because the rain was coming in and the pressure compiled when more people got on base, but hey... they still one.
A ground ball in those conditions probably wasn't too easy to hold on to. There were puddles all over the place.

Ol' No. 2
04-17-2006, 09:40 AM
I don't think Freddy could grip the ball, that was the problemI heard AJ talking about it after the game. The ball was soaking wet. Try throwing a curve ball with a soaking wet ball. It looked to me that Freddy was just desperately trying to get out of the inning, thought he had and just let his emotions get the better of him. I'm sure he wasn't trying to show anyone up.

Vernam
04-17-2006, 11:44 AM
Exactly. I didn't even hear about about him getting pissed at Iguchi until reading it in the paper this morning. Maybe I missed it on TV, did they even show it?
Freddy had what... 4 walks in that inning? It's all his fault. I know that he had to rush because the rain was coming in and the pressure compiled when more people got on base, but hey... they still one.
A ground ball in those conditions probably wasn't too easy to hold on to. There were puddles all over the place.On TV, I didn't see Freddy's reaction, but they showed Ozzie yelling something toward the field, like he was pissed off. At the time, I thought it was Ozzie showing up Iguchi by yelling at him. Makes a lot more sense that Ozzie was yelling at Freddy to shut up and pitch.

Those were the worst infield conditions I can remember seeing. The Sox were very lucky to get through that inning for the victory, and it's hard to fault Freddy's effort. Bottom line is that he got it done.

Vernam

maurice
04-17-2006, 03:15 PM
I was at the game. Freddy was pitching in a monsoon. That explains the walks and Iguchi's puddle-induced error.

As for the tarp sliding, KW needs to get over himself...again. As somebody else pointed out, MLB players do more dangerous things on a daily basis, including driving to the stadium. (Unlike tarp-sliding and long hair, pro players have been injured playing video games and playing with their dogs. I guess we should ban those too.) If you want him to stop, make him a contract offer and put it in there. Otherwise, leave the poor guy alone. Now they're getting on AJ and Crede because of their hair? *****.

JB98
04-17-2006, 05:53 PM
I don't think Freddy could grip the ball, that was the problem

He didn't seem to have any trouble gripping the ball when he struck out Hinske after Iguchi made the error. Once Garcia got pissed off, he magically rediscovered the strike zone.

JB98
04-17-2006, 05:55 PM
Exactly. I didn't even hear about about him getting pissed at Iguchi until reading it in the paper this morning. Maybe I missed it on TV, did they even show it?
Freddy had what... 4 walks in that inning? It's all his fault. I know that he had to rush because the rain was coming in and the pressure compiled when more people got on base, but hey... they still one.
A ground ball in those conditions probably wasn't too easy to hold on to. There were puddles all over the place.

Not sure whether Garcia's tantrum was shown on TV. I was at the game, and it was definitely uncalled for. Guillen addressed it quickly, and rightfully so.