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paciorek1983
04-15-2006, 11:49 AM
"Desparately Seeking Organist"

The Sox should start putting this ad/title in the paper and online.... now.

I was at the friday night game 4/14 and truly missed Nancy. The were too many points of silence that would have been filled with the organ. I'm not one that wants music blasting all the time, but the were subtle moments that were most definately missing an organist. I hope the Sox realized this during the game and plan on finding someone.

The organ is very unique nowadays and I would really hate to lose that at our ballpark.


Anyone here know how to play the organ or know someone who does who would love to have the job?

JohnBasedowYoda
04-15-2006, 12:02 PM
I think they would have no trouble finding people. It's just that baseball in general is moving away from stuff like this.

What about the dude from Hawks games? He's pretty good. But I hate that concert they make him do inbetween periods.

DrummerGeorgefan
04-15-2006, 12:03 PM
I totally agree with you. Especially after Downs got pulled, there was no 'Na na na na'...it was some piped in crap. If they arent going to have Nancy, they should at least keep on file like they did on the 7th inning stretch.

If I have to hear 'R-O-W-D-I-E' one more time I may run myself upon a Churro like all the great Roman generals.

JohnBasedowYoda
04-15-2006, 12:07 PM
If I have to hear 'R-O-W-D-I-E' one more time I may run myself upon a Churro like all the great Roman generals.

:kneeslap:

Keeping with this new music and such I have a brilliant idea..

When Dye steps up to the plate during a night game the light standards should change colors kind of like lights at a club. That'd be kickass to have the whole park lit up all blue and red, then green and yellow for a few seconds

paciorek1983
04-15-2006, 12:08 PM
I think they would have no trouble finding people. It's just that baseball in general is moving away from stuff like this.

What about the dude from Hawks games? He's pretty good. But I hate that concert they make him do inbetween periods.

I haven't been to a Hawks game in years, so I don't know about the concert. But hey, if he's available, let's get him. I don't understand the moving away from having an organist. Make youre product unique, not copy what everybody else does.

paciorek1983
04-15-2006, 12:09 PM
:kneeslap:

Keeping with this new music and such I have a brilliant idea..

When Dye steps up to the plate during a night game the light standards should change colors kind of like lights at a club. That'd be kickass to have the whole park lit up all blue and red, then green and yellow for a few seconds


I really wish that was in teal.:(:

JohnBasedowYoda
04-15-2006, 12:14 PM
I really wish that was in teal.:(:

If only you can see how serious I am.

I'm not sure why they want to move away from the organist. But it seems a lot of parks do that these days (the ones I've been to anyway).

Maybe they want to wait until Nancy is fully retired until they name an Heir to the Organ.

paciorek1983
04-15-2006, 12:22 PM
If only you can see how serious I am.

I'm not sure why they want to move away from the organist. But it seems a lot of parks do that these days (the ones I've been to anyway).

Maybe they want to wait until Nancy is fully retired until they name an Heir to the Organ.

In the early 90's I thought the way you do about an idea like that for the ballpark, to make it more "clubbish", but I've done a "180" since.

I would hope they would find a replacement while she is still there. Maybe they wouldn't use the new organist for every game, but eventually get that person full-time once Nancy retires.

JohnBasedowYoda
04-15-2006, 12:31 PM
In the early 90's I thought the way you do about an idea like that for the ballpark, to make it more "clubbish", but I've done a "180" since.

I would hope they would find a replacement while she is still there. Maybe they wouldn't use the new organist for every game, but eventually get that person full-time once Nancy retires.

I don't want a total club experience. It'd just be cool for Dye and the hip hop music.

Maybe we can send a copy of this thread to Boyer. Though I'm sure he's reading it.

paciorek1983
04-15-2006, 12:34 PM
I don't want a total club experience. It'd just be cool for Dye and the hip hop music.

Maybe we can send a copy of this thread to Boyer. Though I'm sure he's reading it.

I sure hope he's reading it. Are you reading this Mr. Boyer?

JohnBasedowYoda
04-15-2006, 12:37 PM
I sure hope he's reading it. Are you reading this Mr. Boyer?

This remminds me of that Family Guy where at the end it's some lady and Patrick Duffy talking about the episode like it was a dream and they look at the camera in wonderment.

Thome's Homey
04-15-2006, 12:45 PM
"Desparately Seeking Organist"


Ok, but are they allowed to spell it correctly, instead? We wouldn't want to give Cub fans some more stereotype-ammo or anything...

:roflmao: :rolling:

WWE Champion
04-15-2006, 12:46 PM
:kneeslap:

Keeping with this new music and such I have a brilliant idea..

When Dye steps up to the plate during a night game the light standards should change colors kind of like lights at a club. That'd be kickass to have the whole park lit up all blue and red, then green and yellow for a few seconds

:roflmao:

I think it's pretty funny how Dye's music follows the Top 40 stations no matter how good or bad the songs are. Last year he had a couple good ones, but having Nelly's "Grillz" and Chris Brown's "Run It" right now? Has to be cause for ridicule, I would think.

paciorek1983
04-15-2006, 12:53 PM
Ok, but are they allowed to spell it correctly, instead? We wouldn't want to give Cub fans some more stereotype-ammo or anything...

:roflmao: :rolling:

Ok, but hey, I usually spell everything correctly. I'm actually a pretty good speller. I just woke up and had to get this whole thing off my chest.:redneck

chisoxmike
04-15-2006, 04:22 PM
Yeah really, no Nancy sucked. Although, I like the selection they use now for an opposing pitching change..."Bad Bad Leroy Brown." I hope they stick with that when Nancy is gone.

Blob
04-15-2006, 04:38 PM
I felt we had the correct mix of Nancy and canned music. I really missed it last night too. Especially when they took out the pitcher and there was no Na na na na, hey hey hey played.

Maybe they can record some of Nancy's songs she plays at key times and just play them back when she's not there. I'm sure most people won't know the difference anyhow.

It's not a day at the game until I hear "Hey Ya" on the organ!

MrRoboto83
04-15-2006, 07:03 PM
I think we need to keep track of Nancy's home record this year and see if her organ playing actually helps the Sox win, then it would be a slam dunk to keep the organ alive at the ballpark forever.

So Far......


With Nancy the Sox are 2-2

Without Nancy 0-1

NonetheLoaiza
04-15-2006, 08:29 PM
I was at the game last night, and Nancy was definitely noticeably absent. Just not the same feel at the game without the organ music pumping. Some of the canned music is good, but give me an organ and Nancy Faust any day of the week.

Thome's Homey
04-15-2006, 10:48 PM
Maybe they can record some of Nancy's songs she plays at key times and just play them back when she's not there. I'm sure most people won't know the difference anyhow.


Someone needs to send Brooks this link: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/SoxSounds.htm

Ishmookie
04-15-2006, 11:03 PM
when nancy is not at games its not the same. i always like to listen to the organ at the games and withher gone the overall experience is definately not as good. (are you listening brooks)

TornLabrum
04-15-2006, 11:10 PM
I've emailed Nancy to let her know about this thread. I know she'll appreciate it, but please remember, cutting back was her decision. To those who would like a successor to fill in for the night games, I'd also point out that the next organist might be another Gary Pressy. Now he's not a BAD organist, but he certainly is nowhere near the same league as Nancy. Very few people have their brains wired quite like her to get just the right music for opposing players (e.g. I'm an Old Cowhand from the Rio Grande) for Alex Rios.

Brian26
04-15-2006, 11:12 PM
I was at the game last night, and Nancy was definitely noticeably absent. Just not the same feel at the game without the organ music pumping. Some of the canned music is good, but give me an organ and Nancy Faust any day of the week.

I missed Nancy, and it was strange to hear "Bad Leroy Brown" for the Toronto pitching change. Although, the first line "From the Southside of Chicago...." gets the crowd going.

SouthSide_HitMen
04-15-2006, 11:29 PM
I've emailed Nancy to let her know about this thread. I know she'll appreciate it, but please remember, cutting back was her decision. To those who would like a successor to fill in for the night games, I'd also point out that the next organist might be another Gary Pressy. Now he's not a BAD organist, but he certainly is nowhere near the same league as Nancy. Very few people have their brains wired quite like her to get just the right music for opposing players (e.g. I'm an Old Cowhand from the Rio Grande) for Alex Rios.

Gary Pressy or even Gary Busey on the organ would be an improvement over "Pump up the Jam", "Who Let the Dogs Out", "Rock N Roll Part Two" or the various club and rap music blasted through the speakers.

They need a mentor to work the entire year. The "mentor" would be present for all day games and watch Nancy work and learn from the master. During night games, the person who already is a skilled organist would play on their own.

No matter who plays, it won't be any worse than the NEW color TV person when Wimpy left (i.e. DJ) or the NEW color radio announcer Singleton so they can "can" their response to date (Nancy is so good, nobody else can play) which most fans take as "Once Nancy leaves, the organ booth becomes a beer stand".

We had a poll earlier this year which you can send to Nancy and Brooks:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=65613

View Poll Results: What should be played at the Cell?
Organ music mostly http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar2-r.gif 156 71.23%
Have a DJ, with no organ http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar3-r.gif 5 2.28%
An equal mix, both piped in music and the organ. http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar4-l.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar4.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar4-r.gif 58 26.48%

214 WSI users voted either to increase the organist's role at Comiskey Park or leave the entertainment (organ and DJ music) the same and only 8 (and we know there are more than 8 trolls despite the vigilance of the Mods) wanted the current situation which will exist during about 2/3 (66% or 2 of every three for the math challenged) of the games this season if they do not hire a mentor to take over night games and learn from the master.

If the White Sox truly do want to give what the fans want, than they should take these results seriously and throw away the anti Nancy Faust file kept under the Rob Gallas marketing regime.

Two generations of White Sox fans have greatly enjoyed the organ at games and we can restore the prominant role of the organist of our voices are heard!!!

:nancy

Don't Stop Believing!!!

TornLabrum
04-15-2006, 11:35 PM
Gary Pressy or even Gary Busey on the organ would be an improvement over "Pump up the Jam", "Who Let the Dogs Out", "Rock N Roll Part Two" or the various club and rap music blasted through the speakers.

They need a mentor to work the entire year. The "mentor" would be present for all day games and watch Nancy work and learn from the master. During night games, the person who already is a skilled organist would play on their own.

No matter who plays, it won't be any worse than the NEW color TV person when Wimpy left (i.e. DJ) or the NEW color radio announcer Singleton so they can "can" their response to date (Nancy is so good, nobody else can play) which most fans take as "Once Nancy leaves, the organ booth becomes a beer stand".

We had a poll earlier this year which you can send to Nancy and Brooks:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=65613

View Poll Results: What should be played at the Cell?
Organ music mostly http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar2-r.gif 156 71.23%
Have a DJ, with no organ http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar3-r.gif 5 2.28%
An equal mix, both piped in music and the organ. http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar4-l.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar4.gifhttp://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/polls/bar4-r.gif 58 26.48%

214 WSI users voted either to increase the organist's role at Comiskey Park or leave the entertainment (organ and DJ music) the same and only 8 wanted the current situation which will exist during about 2/3 (66% or 2 of every three for the math challenged) of the games this season if they do not hire a mentor to take over night games and learn from the master.

If the White Sox truly do want to give what the fans want, than they should take these results seriously and throw away the anti Nancy Faust file kept under the Rob Gallas marketing regime.

Two generations of White Sox fans have greatly enjoyed the organ at games and we can restore the prominant role of the organist of our voices are heard!!!

:nancy

Don't Stop Believing!!!

I've talked to Brooks and Nancy about the situation. They both tell me that it was Nancy's choice to cut back. Brooks reiterated to me what he told the "legitimate" media: that Nancy has a job with the Sox as long as she wants it.

And I still assert that no amount of mentoring could train a new organist to think anything near the way Nancy thinks when she comes up with music. The Alex Rios comment I made is a good example. I was trying to think of something Nancy might play before the game. I came up empty. She came up with "I'm an Old Cowhand from the Rio(s) Grande." It takes a special mind to think that way.

paciorek1983
04-16-2006, 01:22 AM
I've talked to Brooks and Nancy about the situation. They both tell me that it was Nancy's choice to cut back. Brooks reiterated to me what he told the "legitimate" media: that Nancy has a job with the Sox as long as she wants it.

And I still assert that no amount of mentoring could train a new organist to think anything near the way Nancy thinks when she comes up with music. The Alex Rios comment I made is a good example. I was trying to think of something Nancy might play before the game. I came up empty. She came up with "I'm an Old Cowhand from the Rio(s) Grande." It takes a special mind to think that way.

I understand it was Nancy's choice to cut back, and I have no problem with her reasoning for doing so. But, I still want organ music played. Of course the creative quips of music might not be the same with someone new.

I do think though, that if they find an organist who is a true Sox fan, they will have an understanding that he/she will have to be creative. I think that person can be found. The creativiety part may not come right away, but in time, I think it could.

SouthSide_HitMen
04-16-2006, 01:38 AM
And I still assert that no amount of mentoring could train a new organist to think anything near the way Nancy thinks when she comes up with music.

And I still assert you hire a human being to play the organ. The poll results (214 organ vs. 8 no organ) are crystal clear. The poll asked for organist and did not specify Nancy Faust. By not replacing Nancy for night games, we know the direction the White Sox are headed - the same direction Rob Gallas desired - anything but Nancy.

I'm going to two night games this season (Core of the Core and a Cardinal game since there are no day games that series). All other games (including Opening Day) are Nancy only.

My ears hurt as it is by the volume of the horsecrap they play be it club or rap music or the ever increasing commercials. You can't even talk to the person next to you. Brooks said the White Sox must be presented like a baseball game, not a pathetic NBA game, yet that is the direction they are moving in and this decision is just another example.

Jazz, Blues and other genres - eliminated in 2006 by Chicago Public Radio
Organ Music - phased out starting in 2006 by the Chicago White Sox

Nancy says it best:

Faust, the White Sox organist, says replacing organs with rock songs is costing baseball part of its identity. "We're losing a sound associated with the game," she says. "Now, we're hearing the same music you hear at the shopping malls. There's nothing baseball about it."

http://www.baseball-fever.com/archive/index.php/t-29757.html

Ballpark organists have "kinda gone the way of the dodo bird," says Nancy Faust, who has been playing keyboard for the Chicago White Sox since 1970 and doesn't expect to be replaced when she retires.

Bobbo35
04-16-2006, 01:48 AM
They should use her recordings. They should have all her stuff recorded don't they? Ya, the feeling isn't the same without her there. That was the first thing I would do going into a game was stop at her booth and say hi, take a picture and watch her play for a bit.

FoulTerritory
04-16-2006, 03:05 AM
I completely disagree with the logic that because we had/have a great orgainist, then we should never have another organist again because replacing her is difficult and "not the same." Thats life. Look, when Nancy is done, I'll miss her organ work a lot. But please don't let that mean that we are forever doomed to this crap canned music forever. Just the mere sound of an organ helps facilitate the "baseball atmosphere" quite a bit.

All I know is that even a bad organist would be ions better than the piped in canned stuff we're getting at night games now.

Brooks . . . hear me. Find us an organist please. :(:

TornLabrum
04-16-2006, 08:45 AM
And I can just hear it when Nancy does finally hang it up if she is replaced by another organist.

"Who is this idiot? Nancy was 100 times better! Might as well not have an organ at all as this ****."

Blob
04-16-2006, 09:59 AM
And I can just hear it when Nancy does finally hang it up if she is replaced by another organist.

"Who is this idiot? Nancy was 100 times better! Might as well not have an organ at all as this ****."
What?!?!? You mean to tell me there are Sox fans who come on this board and complain about stuff?!?!?!! NO WAY! I DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A MOMENT!!!

No one will ever be exactly like Nancy. But, I think we need someone else when she's not there. I miss the organ music.

I can't sit through another opposing pitcher leaving the game to some song other than The Steam classic. That has been a tradition of the Sox for years! I for the life of me, can't even remember the song they played on Friday night. Shows you how impressionable it was.

paciorek1983
04-16-2006, 10:47 AM
What?!?!? You mean to tell me there are Sox fans who come on this board and complain about stuff?!?!?!! NO WAY! I DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A MOMENT!!!

No one will ever be exactly like Nancy. But, I think we need someone else when she's not there. I miss the organ music.

I can't sit through another opposing pitcher leaving the game to some song other than The Steam classic. That has been a tradition of the Sox for years! I for the life of me, can't even remember the song they played on Friday night. Shows you how impressionable it was.


It was Lee Roy Brown. The only reason I remember it was because it wasn't an organ.

shbart
04-16-2006, 11:01 AM
Simple solution....have Singleton play the organ. He has no experience doing that either....and he's already paid to be at the park. Farmer won't even notice.

FoulTerritory
04-16-2006, 12:37 PM
And I can just hear it when Nancy does finally hang it up if she is replaced by another organist.

"Who is this idiot? Nancy was 100 times better! Might as well not have an organ at all as this ****."

So let them talk. People will bitch about anything. They bitch that the bulls don't win championships anymore, and that the team is average, but that doesn't mean the Bulls should have folded the franchise after Jordan retired. Plus, the Sox have had good organists in the past, as I understand (from what my father tells me), and if they would have just been like, "well, he's irreplacable, we're done hiring organists!", then we would have never gotten to hear the likes of Nancy.

It is Brooks JOB to find someone intelligent, knowledgabe, and suitable to replace Nancy. There are 10,000,000 people in the Chicago area. This task is not impossible.

Realist
04-16-2006, 01:00 PM
Steve Nieve would be cool, and he wouldn't even have to learn "Pump it Up".
http://musicstore-imgs.connect.com/groups/amgimages/pic200/drp100/p117/p11725eocdj.jpg

Brooks seems to be always on top of his game. I'm sure the Sox are already looking for someone to play the organ for nite games.

SOXSINCE'70
04-16-2006, 01:22 PM
knowledgabe

I believe the word is knowledgable.

Just an FYI.

SouthSide_HitMen
04-16-2006, 01:23 PM
And I can just hear it when Nancy does finally hang it up if she is replaced by another organist.

"Who is this idiot? Nancy was 100 times better! Might as well not have an organ at all as this ****."

And the criticism will sound as stupid as some of the posts in the game day thread when the White Sox are losing or in the post game thread after a loss.

If Kenny Williams felt that way we would have Magglio and Frank as well as Estaban Loaiza, Carlos Lee, Jose Valentin, Willie Harris (sorry Bafia), Miguel Olivo, Ben Davis, Joe Borchard, Scott Schoenweiss, Shingo Takatsu, et al and we would be hoping to see a World Championship at some point before we die.

This comment is an excuse by the White Sox for what they want to do which is eliminate the organ as soon as Nancy leaves (and the only reason she has survived this long is the bad PR firing her would give the team - easier to phase it out and not replace Nancy for the games she is not there (about 2/3) and the total elimination of the organ (a beer stand will generate thousands of dollars per game) will come in a few years and Gallas' original plan will come to fruition).

FoulTerritory
04-16-2006, 02:57 PM
I believe the word is knowledgable.

Just an FYI.

The irony here is that I'm an English Professor.:o:

Blob
04-17-2006, 12:07 AM
It was Lee Roy Brown. The only reason I remember it was because it wasn't an organ.

That's it. Thanks, couldn't remember it.

Hitmen77
04-17-2006, 08:21 AM
Simple solution....have Singleton play the organ. He has no experience doing that either....and he's already paid to be at the park. Farmer won't even notice.

LOL! That's hilarious!

By the way, I went to a game in Tucson this spring and I noticed that they had a ballpark organist. If a 2-bit town like Tucson can find an organist, surely Chicago can find a decent one to apprentice as a replacement for Nancy.

Viva Medias B's
04-17-2006, 09:26 AM
Miller Park, Busch Stadium, Yankee Stadium, and The Shrine still have organists.

paciorek1983
04-17-2006, 07:30 PM
I emailed Mr. Boyer the link.......

FoulTerritory
04-17-2006, 08:52 PM
Just listening to the game on TV is depressing me a bit. I miss the organ in the background.

Fenway
04-17-2006, 09:10 PM
The best example of doing the right thing belongs to The New York Yankees.

They had the impossible task of replacing Eddie Layton who was fantastic, but before he died they consulted Eddie on his replacement.

http://www.ballparktour.com/New_Yankee_Organists.html


BTW CBS2 did a nice story on Nancy a few days ago

http://cbs2chicago.com/seenon/local_story_104094253.html

the video shows Nancy at her home she "seems" happy

DumpJerry
04-18-2006, 12:53 AM
Good news! At tonight's (Monday) game, they played Nancy for na na goodbye when Konerko and Crede went yard and Mays was pulled and Take Me Out to the Ballgame for the 7th Inning Stretch.

All is not lost!

peeonwrigley
04-18-2006, 02:13 AM
I was at last Friday night's game and the lack the organ was extremely noticable. Not even counting Downs getting pulled in the 3rd, there were several other instances that just felt "off."

I thought the switch from organ to canned music would not bother me all that much, but it did. Some of that probably has to do with the earsplitting volume at which the music is played. I could not talk to my girlfriend between batters if they were playing music. We were Section 534 row 2, maybe its just bad there. I'm 23 and spend most of my weekends at bars here in Yuppyville... so I don't think my ears are that sensitive.

SouthSide_HitMen
04-18-2006, 02:27 AM
I was at last Friday night's game and the lack the organ was extremely noticable. Not even counting Downs getting pulled in the 3rd, there were several other instances that just felt "off."

I thought the switch from organ to canned music would not bother me all that much, but it did. Some of that probably has to do with the earsplitting volume at which the music is played. I could not talk to my girlfriend between batters if they were playing music. We were Section 534 row 2, maybe its just bad there. I'm 23 and spend most of my weekends at bars here in Yuppyville... so I don't think my ears are that sensitive.

No the entire park sound system sucks as far as being too loud. Maybe they crank it up to peddle their commercials. I knew this would be bad and I will first experience it at Core of the Core (or sooner depending the weather).

I hope they have surveys at the park this year. If they do WHITE SOX ARMY needs to mobilize to reduce the volume as well as replace the canned "music".

I rather have nothing (all speakers broken), not even a Gene Honda, then the deafening level of noise thrown at the fans. I worked a Deep Purple concert when they were considered one of the "loudest" concerts and it reaches that level. The problem is, I don't feel like wearing ear plugs to a ballgame - especially when I want to talk to people.

I guess they can always have hearing aid night sponsored by Miller Light with intermittent Lite commercials played every 15 minutes through the hearing aid.

HomeFish
04-18-2006, 02:31 AM
Good news! At tonight's (Monday) game, they played Nancy for na na goodbye when Konerko and Crede went yard and Mays was pulled and Take Me Out to the Ballgame for the 7th Inning Stretch.

All is not lost!

I refuse to believe that it was Nancy they played when Mays was pulled or when the homeruns went out. It was organish music, yes, but it was not what Nancy played. It was nowhere near as loud or as upbeat, and it sounded like it was played on an electronic keyboard with the setting that makes it sound like a choir singing.

RetireWoodys28
04-18-2006, 03:53 AM
I refuse to believe that it was Nancy they played when Mays was pulled or when the homeruns went out. It was organish music, yes, but it was not what Nancy played. It was nowhere near as loud or as upbeat, and it sounded like it was played on an electronic keyboard with the setting that makes it sound like a choir singing.
It was a recording. I noticed - whilst listening the first time "na na" was played - that I was hearing the sounds of fans singing along, even though I could see no one in the ballpark was singing.

Steelrod
04-18-2006, 04:51 AM
It was a recording. I noticed - whilst listening the first time "na na" was played - that I was hearing the sounds of fans singing along, even though I could see no one in the ballpark was singing.
You must have incredible vision to see all 28,000 sets of lips not moving!

DumpJerry
04-18-2006, 08:09 AM
It was a recording. I noticed - whilst listening the first time "na na" was played - that I was hearing the sounds of fans singing along, even though I could see no one in the ballpark was singing.
Ok, everyone around me was singing, I have no idea where you were sitting, but I think my section was in your blind spot. Yes, it was a recording, Nancy's booth was dark. Can I have the name of the doctor who did your Lasik procedure? Finally, what is wrong with the recording including people singing the song??????

Homefish, if you ever said anything positive, I would run for the hills because it means something cataclysmic is coming-something along the lines an Earth/Mars collision.......

Blob
04-18-2006, 08:48 AM
I refuse to believe that it was Nancy they played when Mays was pulled or when the homeruns went out. It was organish music, yes, but it was not what Nancy played. It was nowhere near as loud or as upbeat, and it sounded like it was played on an electronic keyboard with the setting that makes it sound like a choir singing.

Thanks for your opinion, Glum.

I thought it was much better. It was WAY better.

Hangar18
04-18-2006, 09:24 AM
This No Nancy Experiment is over. I waited to save judgement and you know what ..........There is just SOMETHING MISSING in the park. Your there and you cant quite put your finger on it .......until about the 3rd inning.
Its crazy when you realize just how much a part of the ballpark Nancy Faust really is. I had a feeling about that, and I think I said as much, but man,
Nancy Faust is as much the White SOX, the ballpark, the experience as anything. I dont like looking over to that booth and seeing it empty.

Brooks, end this experiment.

anewman35
04-18-2006, 11:41 AM
Brooks, end this experiment.

Yes, Brooks, end the No Nancy experiment! FORCE Nancy to work night games!

miker
04-18-2006, 12:01 PM
What about the dude from Hawks games? He's pretty good.
He's always available in April...thanks Wirtz! :angry:

paciorek1983
04-18-2006, 04:31 PM
This No Nancy Experiment is over. I waited to save judgement and you know what ..........There is just SOMETHING MISSING in the park. Your there and you cant quite put your finger on it .......until about the 3rd inning.
Its crazy when you realize just how much a part of the ballpark Nancy Faust really is. I had a feeling about that, and I think I said as much, but man,
Nancy Faust is as much the White SOX, the ballpark, the experience as anything. I dont like looking over to that booth and seeing it empty.

Brooks, end this experiment.

I didn't need to wait either Hangar. I've only been to the last friday game so far, and I noticed how much I missed the organ right away. If not Nancy, then anyone, who can play. There have got to be people out there who are willing.

It can't be that difficult to find someone. They get to play a musical instrument in front of a crowd(which I would think most musicians would enjoy), watch a game for free......and get PAID for it! What a deal!:D:

kevin57
04-18-2006, 05:39 PM
Bring Nancy Back Now!

I've listened to a couple of radio interviews and it's pure spin to make this look like Nancy's decision. She said she could see this is how baseball is moving. Maybe that is the way most clubs are moving, but what Nancy has done for this club and its fans over the years cannot be put in the same ballpark as other teams.

Fenway
04-18-2006, 05:45 PM
Bring Nancy Back Now!

I've listened to a couple of radio interviews and it's pure spin to make this look like Nancy's decision. She said she could see this is how baseball is moving. Maybe that is the way most clubs are moving, but what Nancy has done for this club and its fans over the years cannot be put in the same ballpark as other teams.


look at the interview she did for CBS2 last week. Does she seem happy?
http://cbs2chicago.com/seenon/local_story_104094253.html


The reality is it's a long drive back to Lake County at night and Nancy is pushing 60. My idea was for the White Sox to provide her with an executive coach back and forth ( They could write it off by putting the limo company on the scoreboard once a game )

TheVulture
04-18-2006, 05:47 PM
Jazz, Blues and other genres - eliminated in 2006 by Chicago Public Radio


You've got be ****ting me!

SouthSide_HitMen
04-18-2006, 07:23 PM
You've got be ****ting me!

No -They plan to air 48 hours of Air America / NPR with the old and new stations (WBEZ & WBEW). They sold the new station with increased frequency as a mostly music station (with a few hours of local public policy issues) which would INCREASE music air time and music diversity on the air. They had their Spring Pledge Drive and asked fans of Jazz, Blues, Latin, Afro Pop and other genres to contribute. Once the pledge drive was over they announced their plans to not only scrap the new music station but to add insult to injury, make both stations 24 talk and scraping all music programs (they are keeping one program discussing music :rolleyes: ).

Here is our thread about it:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69532&highlight=wbez

TornLabrum
04-18-2006, 08:47 PM
Bring Nancy Back Now!

I've listened to a couple of radio interviews and it's pure spin to make this look like Nancy's decision. She said she could see this is how baseball is moving. Maybe that is the way most clubs are moving, but what Nancy has done for this club and its fans over the years cannot be put in the same ballpark as other teams.

Look, I talked to Nancy in early December at the WCSF Holiday Party which she attended with her husband. I asked her about the status of her negotiations. She told me she hadn't started yet but that she was going to propose that she only play day games.

For the last time, there is no spin. It was HER idea.

Lip Man 1
04-18-2006, 11:20 PM
Those of you old enough to remember Shay Torrent (Hal :D: ) will realize that Nancy had a difficult job replacing him.

Eventually she did.

When the time comes if the Sox decide to continue the tradition (and I hope they will) they will find someone who will eventually stake their claim. But it won't happen overnight and it will take time.

But that's something for future generations of Sox fans to deal with.

Lip

TornLabrum
04-18-2006, 11:23 PM
Those of you old enough to remember Shay Torrent (Hal :D: ) will realize that Nancy had a difficult job replacing him.

Eventually she did.

When the time comes if the Sox decide to continue the tradition (and I hope they will) they will find someone who will eventually stake their claim. But it won't happen overnight and it will take time.

But that's something for future generations of Sox fans to deal with.

Lip

One problem about replacing Nancy that she herself has talked with me about is the fact that there aren't very many people who play the organ anymore. Period.

So for those who think there's gotta be somebody in the city to replace her, you might want to reconsider.

MrRoboto83
04-18-2006, 11:40 PM
One problem about replacing Nancy that she herself has talked with me about is the fact that there aren't very many people who play the organ anymore. Period.

So for those who think there's gotta be somebody in the city to replace her, you might want to reconsider.

Maybe if I started taking lessons now, I could be ready! But who gives organ lessons?:?:

paciorek1983
04-18-2006, 11:43 PM
Maybe if I started taking lessons now, I could be ready! But who gives organ lessons?:?:

Ummm, maybe Nancy?

SouthSide_HitMen
04-18-2006, 11:52 PM
Maybe if I started taking lessons now, I could be ready! But who gives organ lessons?:?:

I know Nancy gave lessons (maybe she still does).

Torn I agree with most of what you say with the exception of no replacements being available in Chicago. Tuscon is not even 1/10th of Chicago's size and they can find an organist for the few weeks of Spring Training.

If a Music Theater (The Music Box) can find a regular organist as well as the Cubs and Blackhawks, the White Sox can also find an organist.

If you don't hold auditions or agree to try having Nancy mentor a replacement for night games, your (and Brooks') statement (They cannot find an organist) becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

You are one of the few (maybe the ONLY) person to talk to both parties regarding this issue. Has either ever mentioned any sort of interviewing and tryouts for night game replacements? I don't think so because I have not heard from you or anyone else about any effort by the White Sox to do anything but let Nancy fade away and hope she is forgotten during night games (and in a few years all games) and they can plug in a few more in game advertisements (at 130 decibels).


Brooks if you read this I know you make the decisions but for God's Sake "TURN DOWN THE VOLUME A NOTCH OR TWO - YOU CAN'T HEAR THE PERSON NEXT TO YOU". It reminds me of One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest when McMurphy asks Nurse Ratched why they have to play the music very loud and she answers there are a few patients who are hard of hearing and his reasonable request is once again denied.

JohnBasedowYoda
04-19-2006, 12:32 AM
He's always available in April...thanks Wirtz! :angry:


The glorious season ended today. ...
http://www.kestan.com/dcstock/monuments/IMG_1706%20arlington%20national%20cemetery.jpg
and another Blackhawks season is laid to rest....:(:

FoulTerritory
04-19-2006, 02:27 AM
I know Nancy gave lessons (maybe she still does).

Torn I agree with most of what you say with the exception of no replacements being available in Chicago. Tuscon is not even 1/10th of Chicago's size and they can find an organist for the few weeks of Spring Training.

If a Music Theater (The Music Box) can find a regular organist as well as the Cubs and Blackhawks, the White Sox can also find an organist.

If you don't hold auditions or agree to try having Nancy mentor a replacement for night games, your (and Brooks') statement (They cannot find an organist) becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I couldn't agree with you more. While I also certainly respect and generally agree with Torn in both his articles and his posts, I do disagree with him on this issue for exactly the reasons you mention. While yes, finding an organist may be difficult, it is certainly not impossible. First off, almost every church I've been too has an organist. Thats not to say I think the sox should hire a church organist, but the pont being that there are people who do play the organ. And as stated, several minor league parks (as well as Tucson) do employ organists. Also, there are still even quite a few bands (i'm not talking top 40) that have organists in the "doors" sort of tradition. Heck, even Pearl Jam has an organist now.

So, as said by SouthSide, I think to just give up and not search or make an effort is either a) a self fulfilling profecy, or b) proof that the real motive is to usher out the organ . . . which, from all accounts, is not the desire of 95% of the core fans.

Sorry about the diatribe, but for some reason, this issue is really bugging me. I really love the organ at the ballpark. I love Nancy, but I don't want us to kill the organ forever in the spirt of her being irreplacable.

You are one of the few (maybe the ONLY) person to talk to both parties regarding this issue. Has either ever mentioned any sort of interviewing and tryouts for night game replacements? I don't think so because I have not heard from you or anyone else about any effort by the White Sox to do anything but let Nancy fade away and hope she is forgotten during night games (and in a few years all games) and they can plug in a few more in game advertisements (at 130 decibels).


Brooks if you read this I know you make the decisions but for God's Sake "TURN DOWN THE VOLUME A NOTCH OR TWO - YOU CAN'T HEAR THE PERSON NEXT TO YOU". It reminds me of One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest when McMurphy asks Nurse Ratched why they have to play the music very loud and she answers there are a few patients who are hard of hearing and his reasonable request is once again denied.
I couldn't agree with you more. While I also certainly respect and generally agree with Torn in both his articles and his posts, I do disagree with him on this issue for exactly the reasons you mention. While yes, finding an organist may be difficult, it is certainly not impossible. First off, almost every church I've been to has an organist. Thats not to say I think the sox should hire a church organist, but the point being that there are people who do play the organ. And as stated, several minor league parks (as well as Tucson) do employ organists. Also, there are still even quite a few bands (I'm not talking top 40) that have organists in the "doors" sort of tradition. Heck, even Pearl Jam has an organist now.

So, as said by SouthSide, I think to just give up and not search or make an effort is either a) a self fulfilling prophecy, or b) proof that the real motive is to usher out the organ . . . which, from all accounts, is not the desire of 95% of the core fans.

Sorry about the diatribe, but for some reason, this issue is really bugging me. I really love the organ at the ballpark. I love Nancy, but I don't want us to kill the organ forever in the spirit of her being irreplaceable.

paciorek1983
04-19-2006, 02:59 AM
Sorry about the diatribe, but for some reason, this issue is really bugging me. I really love the organ at the ballpark. I love Nancy, but I don't want us to kill the organ forever in the spirt of her being irreplacable.


Well it really bugs me too. That's why I started this thread. So say what you will.......

MrRoboto83
04-19-2006, 03:51 AM
Sorry about the diatribe, but for some reason, this issue is really bugging me. I really love the organ at the ballpark. I love Nancy, but I don't want us to kill the organ forever in the spirt of her being irreplacable.

i love the organ period, I have a few cds of crazy organ music that I listen to often, for some reason it puts me in a good mood.

Lip Man 1
04-19-2006, 12:40 PM
Hal:

I think in a metropolitian area of around eight or nine million people someone will be available. Just the law of averages.

Lip

jdm2662
04-19-2006, 01:10 PM
Some of you people that still think Nancy is being forced out down right amazes me. This is especially since the times Torn has said otherwise who personally spoke to her. Nancy is around the same age as my mom. My mom doesn't even like driving to the store at night because she has trouble seeing and is tired. The last time I checked, the drive from Comiskey to Lake County is not exactly a cake walk. Hell, I'm 28, and I have some problems driving from Foster and St. Louis to Lombard on work nights...

I like Nancy as much as every Sox fan, but if she wants a reduced schedule, I certainly can understand. Now, I'm not going after the posters that said it sucks not having an organ player, or volume of the canned music. I don't mind canned music, but I certainly don't like music where I can't hear myself speak (and I'm loud as hell). Not having an organ player is certainly going to take time to get used to. However, the posts on where Nancy is being forced out when it was proven otherwise, give it up. It gets old, and it lowers the IQ on the board...

miker
04-19-2006, 06:01 PM
I volunteer to be Nancy's chauffeur...
...of course, I'll need to find a limousine.

TornLabrum
04-19-2006, 06:32 PM
If a Music Theater (The Music Box) can find a regular organist as well as the Cubs and Blackhawks, the White Sox can also find an organist.

There's three organists. I'm sure there are more, too, but how many are willing to do it from April through October (perhaps) in all kinds of weather. (Although I doubt if whoever theoretically would take Nancy's place would have to contend with the crowd that is always popping their heads in her door.)

If you don't hold auditions or agree to try having Nancy mentor a replacement for night games, your (and Brooks') statement (They cannot find an organist) becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Maybe the Sox want to see what the crowd reaction would be to no organ first.

You are one of the few (maybe the ONLY) person to talk to both parties regarding this issue. Has either ever mentioned any sort of interviewing and tryouts for night game replacements? I don't think so because I have not heard from you or anyone else about any effort by the White Sox to do anything but let Nancy fade away and hope she is forgotten during night games (and in a few years all games) and they can plug in a few more in game advertisements (at 130 decibels).

Neither has said anything like that, but then again, I haven't asked.

[quote=FoulTerritory]I couldn't agree with you more. While I also certainly respect and generally agree with Torn in both his articles and his posts, I do disagree with him on this issue for exactly the reasons you mention. While yes, finding an organist may be difficult, it is certainly not impossible. First off, almost every church I've been to has an organist. Thats not to say I think the sox should hire a church organist, but the point being that there are people who do play the organ. And as stated, several minor league parks (as well as Tucson) do employ organists. Also, there are still even quite a few bands (I'm not talking top 40) that have organists in the "doors" sort of tradition. Heck, even Pearl Jam has an organist now.

Damn! Why didn't I think of that! A CHURCH ORGANIST!!!! Most "organists" I've seen nowadays play synthesizers.

TornLabrum
04-19-2006, 06:34 PM
Hal:

I think in a metropolitian area of around eight or nine million people someone will be available. Just the law of averages.

Lip

Especially if it's still 1970.

Fenway
04-19-2006, 06:58 PM
If the Yankees can do it, so can the White Sox

start with Pellico he got the summer off

SouthSide_HitMen
04-19-2006, 10:25 PM
Maybe the Sox want to see what the crowd reaction would be to no organ first.

Well judging from the responses on this board, I hope the reaction will be loud and clear. To me it appears they are trying to see if they can get away with it.

I hope the club will conduct a survey (I am still waiting for a season ticket holder survey - they should survey the 21,000 holders who committed to a partial / full season online (or via mail for people without internet access - they have email addresses for those who are online).

I rarely fill out surveys because I could care less about most products but White Sox baseball is one I would take the time to share my thoughts. I think the White Sox have done most things from good to excellent both on and off the field. The two exceptions to this are 1. Turn down the volume - it really is too loud and 2. Do not phase out the organ.

They tried to get away with "Bad Bad LeRoy Brown" to phase out "Kiss Him Goodbye" but the response in the stadium was the same as when Marte was brought into the game.

The White Sox should survey their fans. They will find out most of what they do is excellent but can also correct the few things people would like improved(as nobody, not even Nancy Faust or SSHM, is perfect).

Thanks for keeping us informed on the issue and I look forward to reading a report that the White Sox are in fact looking to find a night game replacement for Nancy Faust with her being named the President of Organ Operations and her trainee as Vice President of Organ Operations.

FoulTerritory
04-19-2006, 11:52 PM
Damn! Why didn't I think of that! A CHURCH ORGANIST!!!! Most "organists" I've seen nowadays play synthesizers.

look, maybe that was a lame point that I made, but I was not trying to say (as said in the post) that I they should hire a church organist, but rather I was just trying to point out that there are still people that play the organ.

BarbG
04-20-2006, 12:20 AM
If they had advertised auditions and nobody showed up I might buy the comment about nobody playing the organ anymore. Plenty of young'uns I know still play all kinds of keyboards. Now, learning to play with Nancy's style and flair, that would take anybody years of practice. Wouldn't a decent organist would be willing to relocate for such a cool job?

I have always, will always admire Nancy. I still remember how nice she was to us annoying young kids back in the 70's. And it isn't the same without her. The recorded Na Na Hey Hey just doesn't work. After all these years with the best organist in the biz, we're spoiled.

anewman35
04-20-2006, 07:34 AM
Well judging from the responses on this board, I hope the reaction will be loud and clear. To me it appears they are trying to see if they can get away with it.


Ahh, but "this board" and "the general public" are often very different things. I agree, the Sox should do surveys of their fans, but they certianly shouldn't do anything based on what a very small, very obsessed group of people think - that's just not good buisness sense. I mean, honestly, who here would stop going to games without an organ?

FoulTerritory
04-20-2006, 11:05 AM
Ahh, but "this board" and "the general public" are often very different things. I agree, the Sox should do surveys of their fans, but they certianly shouldn't do anything based on what a very small, very obsessed group of people think - that's just not good buisness sense. I mean, honestly, who here would stop going to games without an organ?

I agree with you, but only partially. The Sox also have to realize that the core help spread (even sell) the product to the peripheral fans, and I can tell you that having organ music at the park was very alluring to me as a child, and played a part in cementing my romanticized sense of what baseball games are, and hence contributed to me becoming "core." There is a sort of innocent and elegant charm to the organ that people identify with the innocence of the game, and this starts when we're very young. And the organ makes the ballpark unique. So my point is that organ music, I believe, helps create more "core" fans, and the more "core" fans that are out there, the more unpaid salespeople Brooks has wandering around the Chicago area promoting his product.

Also, in terms of the music for the "hip" young crowd -- what we call canned music -- I can tell you that my little brother is one of those young hip early 20 something people that knows all the trendy music, and he would be described as someone the sox are probably trying to market to, but when I told him there was no more organ at night games, he actually became very irritated by it. Just an example of the fact that even some of the people the Sox are trying to bring in, might, whether the Sox realize it or not, actually identify MORE with an organ at games than the loud canned stuff that may be more appropriate for a house party or club. Even peripheral fans can understand context.

SouthSide_HitMen
04-20-2006, 11:26 AM
Ahh, but "this board" and "the general public" are often very different things. I agree, the Sox should do surveys of their fans, but they certianly shouldn't do anything based on what a very small, very obsessed group of people think - that's just not good buisness sense. I mean, honestly, who here would stop going to games without an organ?

The love of Nancy and the organ expand far beyond this several thousand member board (many of who are either season ticket holders, attend many games (or are out of town)). She wouldn't be receiving media coverage if it wasn't important.

If they are trying to market the game to jackasses whose goal is to drink 15 beers before a canned rendition of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame", well enjoy the games without me. Will they try to replace "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" with "YMCA" or "Rock N Roll Part II" as they sadly tried to do with "Kiss Him Goodbye" (Bad Bad LeRoy Brown). Bad Bad decision clowns.

Then again the White Sox are making decisions based on the fans and the fact they are NOT trying to market the game like the NBA.

They've even ruined the games for people who are listening from home (The Porn 670 AM's broadcast with Farmer and Singleton).

Hitmen77
04-21-2006, 09:00 PM
Here's an article on stadium organists from mlb.com:

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060421&content_id=1411088&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

paciorek1983
04-22-2006, 01:18 AM
Here's an article on stadium organists from mlb.com:

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060421&content_id=1411088&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Brooks attitude about this whole thing really annoys me . So, does that mean Duke won't have a coach anymore when coach K retires?

I am so tired of having to changes things...because it the times..duh.:redneck :redneck

Maybe when organ music is gone, I'll be gone too as a matter of principle. It sickens me that much. I can hear canned musci any time I want, and so can the rest of the world. Make going to a Sox game, unique, special. We have all of the so-called retro designed park, but the real retro has been forgotten.:angry:

SouthSide_HitMen
04-22-2006, 04:07 AM
Brooks attitude about this whole thing really annoys me . So, does that mean Duke won't have a coach anymore when coach K retires?

I am so tired of having to changes things...because it the times..duh.:redneck :redneck

Maybe when organ music is gone, I'll be gone too as a matter of principle. It sickens me that much. I can hear canned musci any time I want, and so can the rest of the world. Make going to a Sox game, unique, special. We have all of the so-called retro designed park, but the real retro has been forgotten.:angry:


From the article

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060421&content_id=1411088&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb


The team (the Brewers) brought back the live organ after an informal fan poll at a town hall-type event in the winter of 2002.

Gee I thought nobody liked the organ and everyone loves canned music. Plus canned music presents baseball in a manner distinct from the NBA. In fact, we plan to play sounds during pitches and balls hit in play such as Boom Boom Chee, Boom Boom Chee.

As for whether Faust will be replaced when she departs, well that's a situation to be decided at that given time.
"The analogy I used is, 'Who follows Coach K at Duke?' " Boyer said. "If we bring in someone else behind her, the person doesn't have a chance from the get-go."

(Teal police are circling US Cellular as this goes to press).

Yes with marketing directors like Rob Gallas and Brooks Boyer who would love nothing better than to close the organ booth forever (and did not bother to audition a night game replacement (who could have been mentored by Nancy for a year or two)) of course they do not have "a chance from the get-go." You won't give someone a chance (yet people with no experience or talent, say recent hire Chris Singleton, are given four year contracts).


Who follows Brooks Boyer when he leaves. They won't have a chance from the get-go. :rolleyes:

Maybe Brooks should survey they fans like they did in Milwaukee and like we did on our board (98% For, 2% against) and he really should provide no comment vs. his idiotic Duke reference*. And for those saying we cannot possibly find an organist in Chicago, Milwaukee is 1/10th our size and found one in high school (and Nancy was a college student when she started). Imagine that - someone young enough who can cater to the "hip" buzzword marketing guys throw out there and satisfy others who want to keep baseball traditional and enjoy a mix of organ as well. If only there was one young musician in a city as small as Chicago who would want an opportunity not only to have a steady gig but also have an audience of 30 - 40 thousand each night.


*(Dateline April 1, 2012 AP - Today Coach K announced his retirement and Duke announced it has cancelled mens basketball at the university. Duke University President Nottoo Bright commented on the decision - "Coach K is a legend and obviously the best course is to end the basketball program on a high note. Nobody could possibly replace Coach K so it is best to lock the doors of Cameron Stadium to honor Coach K and the great work he did here. Fans would be extremely disappointed if we hired another coach and they did not win three National Championships and Dozens of ACC Championships. We looked at the terrible situation at North Carolina after Dean Smith's retirement. It took over sveral years for the school to win a National Championships after Dean left and we felt that would be an unacceptable scenario here at Duke where are standards are higher."

When asked why no other school has done this in the past, the Nottoo Bright stated "When our outside consultants presented us with this wonderful solution, we were shocked no other school has done this in the past. in fact, we sent a letter to UCLA asking how could they possibly disgrace the memory of Coach Wooden by allowing UCLA basketball to continue after he retired and asking them if they wanted our help in ending the basketball program which is an outrage to the fans and students at UCLA."

Hitmen77
04-22-2006, 09:16 AM
Another interesting bit of info from the article:

The Brewers have used an organist since 2003, when Dean Rosko took over the post as a senior in high school.

Yep, no one plays the organ anymore. It will be impossible for the Sox to find a new organist to replace Nancy.

SouthSide_HitMen
04-22-2006, 02:51 PM
Another interesting bit of info from the article:



Yep, no one plays the organ anymore. It will be impossible for the Sox to find a new organist to replace Nancy.

What year does Milwaukee think we are in, 1970?

Great Hitmen think alike! :thumbsup:

paciorek1983
04-23-2006, 01:36 AM
From the article

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060421&content_id=1411088&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb


The team (the Brewers) brought back the live organ after an informal fan poll at a town hall-type event in the winter of 2002.

Gee I thought nobody liked the organ and everyone loves canned music. Plus canned music presents baseball in a manner distinct from the NBA. In fact, we plan to play sounds during pitches and balls hit in play such as Boom Boom Chee, Boom Boom Chee.

As for whether Faust will be replaced when she departs, well that's a situation to be decided at that given time.
"The analogy I used is, 'Who follows Coach K at Duke?' " Boyer said. "If we bring in someone else behind her, the person doesn't have a chance from the get-go."

(Teal police are circling US Cellular as this goes to press).

Yes with marketing directors like Rob Gallas and Brooks Boyer who would love nothing better than to close the organ booth forever (and did not bother to audition a night game replacement (who could have been mentored by Nancy for a year or two)) of course they do not have "a chance from the get-go." You won't give someone a chance (yet people with no experience or talent, say recent hire Chris Singleton, are given four year contracts).


Who follows Brooks Boyer when he leaves. They won't have a chance from the get-go. :rolleyes:

Maybe Brooks should survey they fans like they did in Milwaukee and like we did on our board (98% For, 2% against) and he really should provide no comment vs. his idiotic Duke reference*. And for those saying we cannot possibly find an organist in Chicago, Milwaukee is 1/10th our size and found one in high school (and Nancy was a college student when she started). Imagine that - someone young enough who can cater to the "hip" buzzword marketing guys throw out there and satisfy others who want to keep baseball traditional and enjoy a mix of organ as well. If only there was one young musician in a city as small as Chicago who would want an opportunity not only to have a steady gig but also have an audience of 30 - 40 thousand each night.


*(Dateline April 1, 2012 AP - Today Coach K announced his retirement and Duke announced it has cancelled mens basketball at the university. Duke University President Nottoo Bright commented on the decision - "Coach K is a legend and obviously the best course is to end the basketball program on a high note. Nobody could possibly replace Coach K so it is best to lock the doors of Cameron Stadium to honor Coach K and the great work he did here. Fans would be extremely disappointed if we hired another coach and they did not win three National Championships and Dozens of ACC Championships. We looked at the terrible situation at North Carolina after Dean Smith's retirement. It took over sveral years for the school to win a National Championships after Dean left and we felt that would be an unacceptable scenario here at Duke where are standards are higher."

When asked why no other school has done this in the past, the Nottoo Bright stated "When our outside consultants presented us with this wonderful solution, we were shocked no other school has done this in the past. in fact, we sent a letter to UCLA asking how could they possibly disgrace the memory of Coach Wooden by allowing UCLA basketball to continue after he retired and asking them if they wanted our help in ending the basketball program which is an outrage to the fans and students at UCLA."



Excellent job. I hope that those who have statements against having an organ see how dumb they sound.

esbrechtel
04-23-2006, 12:55 PM
i was at my first night game last night....it was my first game this year not hearing nancy play.....i feel like the recorded version of "kiss him goodbye" just doesnt do it....there seems to not be enough emotion to it....i cannot imagine listening to the canned version of "kiss him goodbye," it is awesome to hear the fans sing it.....i think that whoever would take over for nancy would have a tough time at first but would work through it, we need an organ at the park, it makes for a unique experience at the game...and who doesnt love playing name that toon?

paciorek1983
04-24-2006, 07:03 PM
Well folks, I emailed Brooks about the situation, and it doesn't look good for organ music once Nancy is gone. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's going to depend on what Brooks and his staff interpret what Sox fans want.


Here's what has transpired over the past couple of days, the first email is at the bottom:

(Southside Hitmen, I used your analogy in this too)





Mr. Boyer,








I really hope you are keeping up with this thread. I have to say for the first time I am very disappointed in you after reading the article about organs in MLB.


http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1105787#post1105787









Michael



I respect your comments. They are your opinions and who am I to judge. I never thought I could bat 1.000 with everyone. I unfortunately have not kept up with the thread although, from your comment below, I pretty much know what it says. I am sure that the opinions/views have not changed.




Please attempt to remember that Nancy is a human being, and after 35 years of service, has earned the right to pick her schedule (we should all be so lucky). My intention is to allow her to do this as long as she wants moving forward.



Have a good Sunday,



Brooks



Mr. Boyer,



I probably should have been more clear in my email to you. I understand that Nancy has earned her right to pick her schedule, and that is wonderful. She deserves to do whatever she wants. I have no problem with Nancy wanting to reduce her workload .



If you get a chance to follow the thread, you will see that most everyone understands Nancy wanting to reduce her schedule. But also in that thread, most everyone still wants organ music as part of the White Sox Baseball experience.



What's happening is that the Whte Sox are being perceived as not being interested in finding a replacement once Nancy retires. You made a reference to Coach K and comparing it with Nancy. I think that Duke will still have a basketball program when he's gone. I think UCLA is still around after John Wooden, aren't they?



I think that you should give it a shot with another organist on days Nancy isn't there. Do you guys really hate the organ that much that it still can't be part of White Sox baseball? .I know the organ is such a small part of the atmosphere, but what little it is played, adds so much. It's part of what makes White Sox Baseball special and unique.



Maybe you could make a fun contest out of finding a replacement. The Chicagoland area has millions of people. There has got to be somoeone out there who plays the organ, who's a Sox fan, who'd love to be able to be at the ballpark, doing something they love, and get paid for it. If you say you can't find someone, it's all the more clear that it's just an excuse to get rid of the organ altogether.



I know you can't please everyone and who am I to be the fan to get his way on everything? I don't mind the canned music, as long as ther is organ as well. It's just something about the organ at a baseball game that I love. The game really seemed to miss something when Nancy wasn't ther last friday night. And it really upsets me that we fans perceive the White Sox as insincere about the way they feel about Nancy and the organ in general.



I hope that you come up with a solution that can appease the canned music lovers as well as the Nancy/organ lovers. It would be a shame if you couldn't and it would make my experience at a game quite a bit less enjoyable. I know you're good and I'm sure you'll come up with something.



I really appreciate how you respond to all of my email in such a timely matter. Thank you so much for your time.








Thanks for the note Michael. I appreciate your direct candor.

Two more things and I promise to leave you alone:

<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy">No one here ever stated that the Organization hated organ music. That was something fabricated by either the media, or (but more likely) something brought up on message boards that now everyone believes came from the White Sox. I have refuted this claim publicly, but no one, including yourself who is following this closely seems to believe it. If we as an Organization did not believe in organ music, or like it for that matter, there would be no organ music at all, Nancy or anyone else. Hopefully, this may put an end to that rumor/myth.
It is not in our plan to have another organist, other than Nancy, this year. I have a great game operations staff that will continue to monitor the situation and will come to me with their recommendation moving forward. I trust them to do their jobs. I would rather shoot you straight than tell you something you simply want to hear.
Again, I appreciate your directness and I appreciate your passion for the White Sox.

Brooks



Doesn't look to good to me folks

:(: :(: :(: :(: :whiner:

TornLabrum
04-24-2006, 10:08 PM
I have a few comments about some of what has transpired in this thread in my next column which I emailed PHG on Saturday. (At least I hope it reached him since it isn't up yet.) I plan on doing a followup with quotes from both Brooks and Nancy next week. It will also include a little editorial on my part.

FoulTerritory
04-25-2006, 12:05 AM
Doesn't look to good to me folks

:(: :(: :(: :(: :whiner:

I actually think there is a note of optimism in Brooks' 2nd email to you. It indicates that he is not intrinsically opposed to organ music, which leaves me to believe that the decision of whether to find another organist after Nancy leaves is not set in stone.

I am actually willing to deal with Nancy only on day games until she decides to retire. What I am afraid of is that they decide to scratch it permanently when she is done. From the email, it doesn't seem that Brooks is necessarily convinced that will or should be the case.

paciorek1983
04-25-2006, 12:08 AM
I actually think there is a note of optimism in Brooks' 2nd email to you. It indicates that he is not intrinsically opposed to organ music, which leaves me to believe that the decision of whether to find another organist after Nancy leaves is not set in stone.

I am actually willing to deal with Nancy only on day games until she decides to retire. What I am afraid of is that they decide to scratch it permanently when she is done. From the email, it doesn't seem that Brooks is necessarily convinced that will or should be the case.

I am hoping that with the feedback we give him, that the organ will stay. I guess I took the negative slant from the response because there wasn't enough affirmation that they want to get another organist.

MrRoboto83
04-25-2006, 12:26 AM
I could do without all Canned music. I don't like the players intros and I don't like hearing charge every inning either. Listening to Mr. Honda and Nancy are all I need, and of course White Sox baseball.:cool:

SouthSide_HitMen
04-25-2006, 02:01 AM
I could do without all Canned music. I don't like the players intros and I don't like hearing charge every inning either. Listening to Mr. Honda and Nancy are all I need, and of course White Sox baseball.:cool:

The marketing guys think young people want American Idol / Rap / Hip Hop / CLub Music / Rock so I think we will either have a mix as is the case the few games Nancy works (1/3). If it were up to me, it would be "Nothing But Nancy Day" everyday and "Nothing But Nancy's Apprentice Day" for the night games she wants off. That is how it was in the old park. I don't know when exactly they brought in a DJ to play Whitesnake when Chuck Finley was the opposing pitcher but organ only is what I am used to for the majority of Sox games I've attended since the mid 1970s.

I am hoping that with the feedback we give him, that the organ will stay. I guess I took the negative slant from the response because there wasn't enough affirmation that they want to get another organist.

I hope they seek the opinion of a wide range of fans (including a survey season ticket holders a survey as well). The excuse to date here is that we are the core of the core and a small sliver of White Sox fans (though there are many full and partial season ticket holders among the posters in the area and others go to a significant number of games without a formal package - I went to about 30 games last year without a package) and we don't represent the average White Sox fan. If they expand the survey to a broad range of Sox fans I think they will get similar results (overwhelming support for either a organ / canned music mix or organ only).

The only team which included fan response (in regards to the organ) in the MLB article was Milwaukee and the fans got it right. If Cheeseheads can figure it out, I think we can (pun intended) eventually here as well. :dunno:

I have a few comments about some of what has transpired in this thread in my next column which I emailed PHG on Saturday. (At least I hope it reached him since it isn't up yet.) I plan on doing a followup with quotes from both Brooks and Nancy next week. It will also include a little editorial on my part.

I have read your opinion (it is up now - http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=3107 )

and agree 100%. The only factor I have disagreed with you since this came up in January was the part about not being able to find a replacement.

I think if the White Sox take their time and work with Nancy, the club will be able to find a replacement for games Nancy wants off be it all night games or weekday night games or whatever she works out with the club and "The Apprentice". I think the White Sox can make this a win for everyone - the organization, Nancy, the fans and the lucky new organist.

The White Sox get almost everything else correct and I expect them (with some input and a little nudging) to get this right as well. Maybe they underestimated the response they would get against the move (or thought it would not be widely noticed) though White Sox fans have enjoyed Nancy more than any other person in the organization (no player, coach or owner has lasted as long as Nancy except for Roger Bossard and a few behind the scenes people).

Also, I think the sound system was lower during the Friday game I attended. Baseball is a game with long pauses and time for people to discuss things and I appreaciate any move in this direction. The workers are in booths and maybe do not realize the level of noise (or maybe nobody has mentioned it) but it was loud last year and the start of this year and I hope everyone will be happy with the noise a few notches lower.

Well folks, I emailed Brooks about the situation, and it doesn't look good for organ music once Nancy is gone. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's going to depend on what Brooks and his staff interpret what Sox fans want.


Thanks for the note Michael. I appreciate your direct candor.

Two more things and I promise to leave you alone:

<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy">No one here ever stated that the Organization hated organ music. That was something fabricated by either the media, or (but more likely) something brought up on message boards that now everyone believes came from the White Sox. I have refuted this claim publicly, but no one, including yourself who is following this closely seems to believe it. If we as an Organization did not believe in organ music, or like it for that matter, there would be no organ music at all, Nancy or anyone else. Hopefully, this may put an end to that rumor/myth.
It is not in our plan to have another organist, other than Nancy, this year. I have a great game operations staff that will continue to monitor the situation and will come to me with their recommendation moving forward. I trust them to do their jobs. I would rather shoot you straight than tell you something you simply want to hear.Again, I appreciate your directness and I appreciate your passion for the White Sox.

Brooks

I've had a correspondence (a few emails back and forth) when this first came out in January. The last email from Brook contained the Duke reference. I would have had a similar response (though I wouldn't have called the Duke reference idiotic to keep things in a civil tone) to the link you sent.

I respect Brooks for the good he does for the organization and the fact he does interact with fans which is rare - most executives want to hide behind as many people as they can get between themselves and the general public / their customers. Most of the ideas he and his staff have come up with since taking over for Gallas have been positive for the club and the fans.

I see Brook's response as having a little opening / wiggle room from the Duke comments. While 2006 looks like a lost cause, I do respect the fact that they may consider it after the season. The only thing I fear is the "game operations staff" rather have no Nancy to protect their (DJ and others involved) jobs although I think most would stay with a mix of both organ and canned.

I hope the team is able to get a response of a broad range of fans as to this change (at the park and via mail / email for season ticket holders) and I think they will get a similar response (maybe not 98% for organ / organ mix as WSI Army voted here but an overwhelming positive (2/3s or better) based on Nancy's tenure with the team).

I think most fans have heard Brooks and Nancy's statements from January forward and do not have any issues with Nancy's decision to cut back. The only part I and others here have disagreed with is the fact that an apprentice organist was not considered (or was considered and rejected) while this cut back was being discussed in January. Maybe Brooks and his team will consider this and I look forward to Hal's (TornLabrum's) continued features and comments regarding this issue.

Thanks to everyone working to keep baseball the great game we all love.

paciorek1983
04-25-2006, 05:56 PM
[quote=SouthSide_HitMen]




I've had a correspondence (a few emails back and forth) when this first came out in January. The last email from Brook contained the Duke reference. I would have had a similar response (though I wouldn't have called the Duke reference idiotic to keep things in a civil tone) to the link you sent.

I don't recall saying "idiotic" ????:?: That would be kind of strong for me.

SouthSide_HitMen
04-25-2006, 06:51 PM
[quote=SouthSide_HitMen]




I've had a correspondence (a few emails back and forth) when this first came out in January. The last email from Brook contained the Duke reference. I would have had a similar response (though I wouldn't have called the Duke reference idiotic to keep things in a civil tone) to the link you sent.

I don't recall saying "idiotic" ????:?: That would be kind of strong for me.

It was in reference to the link of my post which you sent to Brooks:

Maybe Brooks should survey they fans like they did in Milwaukee and like we did on our board (98% For, 2% against) and he really should provide no comment vs. his idiotic Duke reference*.

paciorek1983
04-25-2006, 07:13 PM
[quote=paciorek1983]

It was in reference to the link of my post which you sent to Brooks:

Maybe Brooks should survey they fans like they did in Milwaukee and like we did on our board (98% For, 2% against) and he really should provide no comment vs. his idiotic Duke reference*.


oh ok :redneck :smile:

JohnBasedowYoda
04-25-2006, 07:44 PM
Edit:
Never mind. Brain Fart.

aclaar877
04-26-2006, 04:07 PM
Maybe we need a American Idol / Rap / Hip Hop / CLub Music / Rock Demolition Night, preferably between games of a doubleheader, if we get a rainout here in the early going. Think Brooks will go for that?

miker
04-26-2006, 06:15 PM
Maybe we need a American Idol / Rap / Hip Hop / CLub Music / Rock Demolition Night, preferably between games of a doubleheader, if we get a rainout here in the early going. Think Brooks will go for that?
Oh sure! Blowing up recordings in centerfield worked SO well last time...

BTW::tomatoaward

paciorek1983
04-27-2006, 01:07 AM
Maybe we need a American Idol / Rap / Hip Hop / CLub Music / Rock Demolition Night, preferably between games of a doubleheader, if we get a rainout here in the early going. Think Brooks will go for that?


I like American Idol and Rock, but you can blow up most of the (c)Rap, unless it 80's--early 90's stuff.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-01-2006, 02:55 AM
Hal,

I was looking forward to your followup from your original article:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=3107

But then was disappointed you had nothing new to report in your followup:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=3117

While I was glad you filled us in on why you are like 98% of WSI Army and like Nancy Faust and organ music at Comiskey Park, I was disappointed you didn't ask the one and only question that needed to be asked at this point (since your followup covered ground discussed a couple of times since January with Nancy and Brooks at the heart of this controversy), at least to Brooks Boyer who is responsible for the decisions made at the ballpark. I can understand not wanting to broach the subject with Nancy, mainly because although the she should have a say as to what her thoughts would be regarding a replacement, she ultimately has no control over it nor any ability to influence the decision outside of taking it to the fans and public which appearantly she rather not do.

My limited correspondance with Brooks and all public statements regarding this situation can only lead one to come to these two conclusions:

1. The White Sox have no intention to replace Nancy Faust and are very happy she has eliminated 2/3 of the ballgames. Most likely

2. The White Sox briefly (maybe 2 seconds) considered a replacement for night games and then decided not to. Doesn't matter - it sounds like you can put a fork in the organ because it is done (down to under 20% of White Sox baseball - 1/3 games * 1/2 of the game time (and it is less than that at this point) when Nancy is actually allowed to play.

Nancy let it slip in her responses to you and in other interviews she has done over the past two years as to the fact the White Sox will be thrilled when the organ booth can be converted into a beer stand.

“A transition is inevitable and I don’t want it to be difficult for either side. I am thankful for more years than I could have ever imagined and will be a fan of the sox and all sox fans for life.”

It would not be difficult if the White Sox wished to continue the organ. You have two organists based on Nancy's schedule, break the second one it and God forbid that person is not very good get another one. It is not like the team needs to pay six figures for 4 years to a guy who cannot chew gum or tie his shoes (or appearantly get a White Sox giveaway freebee on his own :rolleyes: ).

As long as the person is musically competitent and has some knowledge of modern music, it isn't brain surgery to match players to songs (not downplaying Nancy's role but replacing her is much easier than replacing an announcer with someone having ZERO EXPERIENCE and handing him between a half a million and a million dollars over four years). Have an audition and hire someone. The Brewers hired a high school student. Nancy was a college student. Thousands of starving musicians would kill to get a chance to play in front of 30,000 - 40,000 (no this is not an attendance thread).


Quotes from Nancy Faust (and Hefley - Dodger Organist):

1. Ballpark organists have "kinda gone the way of the dodo bird," says Nancy Faust, who has been playing keyboard for the Chicago White Sox since 1970 and doesn't expect to be replaced when she retires.

2. Faust, the White Sox organist, says replacing organs with rock songs is costing baseball part of its identity. "We're losing a sound associated with the game," she says. "Now, we're hearing the same music you hear at the shopping malls. There's nothing baseball about it."


3. "It's kind of difficult when you're a musician and you're cut back to barely playing," she says. "It does take a toll on the ego." Nancy Bea Hefley - Another longtime organist phased out.

Organists tell it like it is. As for the future of organ music at Comiskey, excuse me US Celloutular

Na Na Na Na
Na Na Na Na
Hey Hey Hey
Goodbye

SouthSide_HitMen
05-01-2006, 04:10 AM
There are posters on WSI who cover all political views, all races, creeds and colors as well as views on White Sox baseball - from Dark Clouds to Pollyanna's and everyone in between. There is only two issues posters (well all but 4 of you :angry: Daleks Please) can agree on 98% to 2%

1. The 2005 World Series was awesome (well maybe 99% on this one) and

2. White Sox fans love the organ

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=65613&highlight=nancy

Skobabe8 - I really hope this gets corrected. :(:

IlliniSox4Life - However there are certain things that go together: peanut butter and jelly, corned beef and cabbage, movies and popcorn, mary-kate and ashley olson, etc. Baseball and the organ fits in that category.

OdeToVeeck - How about some celebrity replacement organists

FoulTerritory - I just don't want the organ permantly gone from the Sox experience when Nancy is fully retired.

BabyFisk - during the game and inbetween innings, the organ is much more appopriate than the pop song flavour of the month.

fenway - If people wanted canned music JACK-FM would be #1 in the city - There are very few people at any level of the game that has been around as long as she.

SouthSideHitman - I would LOVE for the Sox to make Nancy and good organ music a part of their organizational legacy

soxfan13 - I like the combo. nancy will be missed when she retires completely:whiner:

Ol No. 2 - I can live with a combination, but I'd prefer Nancy full-time.

Dolly - All of my friends and I gave Nancy a 10, and a much lower score for the canned music. Nancy Faust has been playing at the ballpark for my entire life, and it is very sad to see her role diminishing

JohnBasedowYoda - Full time organ baby!

SoXPriDe33 - I was at Nothing but Nancy day this year and it was great.

DaBears - I hope she ends up changing her mind and comes back Full Time in 2007

cy4979 - Now that I have season tickets of my own I loved hearing Nancy play the organ at Sox game.

esbrechtel - being a sox fan for the past 21 years of my life i couldnt imagine a game with out nancy's famous organ music

gobears1987 - I say make it 95% organ.

miker - she's one of the great reasons I'm a Sox fan and I have enjoyed my trips to Comiskey and U.S. Cellular. I'm sure going to miss her.

Chicken Dinner - Organ music is traditional for a baseball game.

kevin57 - Some of the most unforgettable moments at a Sox game revolve around Nancy's playing.

mike squires - Sox fans need to have the chance to let her know how much we appreciated her.

Law11 - Let it be known.. Sox Army (Brooks needs our voices)

MICROblue - I stated that nancy could not be replaced, but an organ is needed at the park. Brooks gave a weak response.

ilsox7 - Nancy and the organ are loved

TomBradley72 - They should start developing a successor. I think it's a good investment for the WSox...Nancy Faust/still having an organist is part of what makes their ballpark unique

SOXSINCE'70 - Very,very sad.:(: :(:

bayzbol44 - Of course it was her decision to only do day games. Wouldn't you rather travel to work a few days here and there rather than waste your time going there everyday to play 15-20 mins a game? IF she admits it or not, she is being "pushed out" due to their focus on DJ music.

cards_press_box (John Rooney?) - I am trying to compile a playlist of Nancy's favorite songs for my iPod.

nasox - Does this mean we get nothing but nancy on day games? I see the tradeoff, but if we get only nancy and not the annoying stuff (i.e. the canned crap) on day games, it's ok with me.

chisoxmike - you need Nancy at all the games in some capacity. Either before the games or like she has been doing for the visitors lineup. This does sounds like the Sox are trying to push her out.

XplodingScorbord - Hate this, hate this, hate this.:angry:

Stoky44 - I am really upset about this change. Having an organ playing makes it the game feel and experience much better. Now, with the piped in stuff it feels like an NBA game or NFL game. I think the sox should look to sign a part time organist to play for any games nancy does not want to play.

Dan H - it is sad to see her role lessened. Maybe she suggested for some reason but for a long time Sox management have wanted her to go.

Viva Medias B's - I'll miss Nancy at the night games.

Palehose13 - I'm not happy about it... I suppose I could take off of work for Nancy.

itsnotrequired - "Nancy's Nachos", I can see it now...:rolleyes:...I think it is just another piece that contributes to the overall ballpark experience.

SouthSide_HitMen - Maybe I am an old fart (in my mid 30s) but I still think a majority of fans appreciate the organ and Nancy's talent makes the appreciation even greater. I enjoy organ music at the few remaining parks (including Wrigley) even though the musicians are not as good (or I am not attached to them) as much as Nancy.

SOXPHILE - Hopefully, as others have suggested here, the White Sox do get someone to play on the evenings Nancy is not there, instead of just going with 100% canned music.

tebman - Nancy's gift is being able to ride the wave of the game the way an experienced boat captain rides the waves and currents of the sea. That's what we'll miss,

Chez - I love Nancy; hate the loud, canned music

FARMEO - It looks like I will have to start going to more day games, since I hate the canned music.

MsSoxVixen22 - This sucks

thomas35forever - I better find a way to go to more day games this season. It's not gonna be the same without her at night games.

Chisox1500 - She was (is) a really sweet lady. I hope that she considers playing for night crowds at big games i.e. clinchers and the playoffs.

C - Dawg - I know at least a couple times I told them I didn't like the pre-recorded loud rap music that they've been using in place of what could have been more organ music.

soxinem1 - To me, White Sox baseball without Nancy is like Roger Bossard not taking care of the grounds anymore. It just does not seem right.

lostletters - I hope if she does retire that they hire another organist who can work full time during the summer.

Sox of White - Nancy is always worth the money.

Lorenzo Barcelo - Not having the organ during the game feels wierd.

Jurr - Nancy needs to get back full time, or they need a stand in for night games.

MrRoboto83 - I will look forward to the day games so I can enjoy listening to Nancy during the pregame and during the game.

paciorek1983 - The organ is very unique nowadays and I would really hate to lose that at our ballpark.

DrummerGeorgeFan - I totally agree with you. Especially after Downs got pulled, there was no 'Na na na na'...it was some piped in crap.

Blob - I felt we had the correct mix of Nancy and canned music. I really missed it last night too.

NonetheLoaiza - I was at the game last night, and Nancy was definitely noticeably absent.

Ishmookie - when nancy is not at games its not the same.

Brian26 - I missed Nancy, and it was strange to hear "Bad Leroy Brown" for the Toronto pitching change.

Bobbo35 - the feeling isn't the same without her there. That was the first thing I would do going into a game was stop at her booth and say hi, take a picture and watch her play for a bit.

FoulTerritory - when Nancy is done, I'll miss her organ work a lot. But please don't let that mean that we are forever doomed to this crap canned music forever. Just the mere sound of an organ helps facilitate the "baseball atmosphere" quite a bit.

shbart - Simple solution....have Singleton play the organ. He has no experience doing that either....and he's already paid to be at the park. Farmer won't even notice.

Hitmen77 - By the way, I went to a game in Tucson this spring and I noticed that they had a ballpark organist. If a 2-bit town like Tucson can find an organist, surely Chicago can find a decent one to apprentice as a replacement for Nancy.

peeonwrigley - I was at last Friday night's game and the lack the organ was extremely noticable.

kevin57 - Bring Nancy Back Now!

Lip Man 1 - Those of you old enough to remember Shay Torrent (Hal :D: ) will realize that Nancy had a difficult job replacing him. Eventually she did.

BarbG - I have always, will always admire Nancy...it isn't the same without her. The recorded Na Na Hey Hey just doesn't work. After all these years with the best organist in the biz, we're spoiled.

MIRACLE ON 35th STREET - Nancy Faust was able to get Hanger18 AND a Cub fan AND TheOldRoman to agree (Sort of like pitching 3 consecutive no hitters):

Hanger18 - No freaking way. She is a LEGEND, not only in this town, but among her peers.

Grober33 - While SOME of the canned music is OK,,,having an organ at games is a key.

TheOldRoman - I agree with the sentiment that the Sox need to bring in another organist. Nancy is clearly the best around, and I hate to see her go, but I respect her wishes.

IlliniSox4Life
05-01-2006, 04:54 AM
There are posters on WSI who cover all political views, all races, creeds and colors as well as views on White Sox baseball - from Dark Clouds to Pollyanna's and everyone in between. There is only two issues posters (well all but 4 of you :angry: Daleks Please) can agree on 98% to 2%

1. The 2005 World Series was awesome (well maybe 99% on this one) and

2. White Sox fans love the organ

Excellent work. I think it just goes to show how much Nancy really is a part of the White Sox. And as the sentiment seems to be here is that nobody can replace her, but I hope to God they try.

Seriously, Brooks, of course nobody can replace Nancy in all our hearts, but nobody is also able to replace Big Frank (as is evidenced by CotC being on his return). Kenny still went out and got Jim Thome this year and Carl Everett last year. Heck, if that was the sentiment, I think that they should've just started playing games in the parking lot after Comiskey was torn down because nothing could replace the original stadium. We know the organ music wont be as good, but that doesn't mean it still wont be good or at the very least, better than the canned stuff.

MrRoboto83
05-01-2006, 08:36 AM
This is a terrible idea. It will be bad enough for Nancy’s replacement, should the Sox decide to hire one when she retires. Think about it. The organist will be a different person with different ideas. I can already hear the comments from the fans at the ballpark and on the WSI boards: “Nancy’s a lot better.”




Hal, I enjoyed reading your 2 articles. I know a lot of posters including myself would have a hard time seeing anyone other than Nancy playing the organ at Sox games. I would still welcome anyone playing the organ for us Sox fans and would much rather have someone else playing instead of hearing canned music turned to the power of 11 at night games. Most likely a new organist would bring a completely new style, but also that is not a bad thing, it would make things interesting.

esbrechtel
05-01-2006, 09:14 AM
this may be a dumb idea but since people like american idol so much why dont we make an american idol contest for nancy's apprentice? maybe have them compete at soxfest....or next years picnic in centerfield...then they can play a year with nancy alternating between night games and day games until nancy doesnt want to play anymore......

Hangar18
05-01-2006, 09:19 AM
ATTN BROOKS:

BRING NANCY BACK. And Let HER REALLY PLAY

anewman35
05-01-2006, 09:47 AM
ATTN BROOKS:

BRING NANCY BACK. And Let HER REALLY PLAY

ATTN HANGAR:

NANCY DOESN'T WANT TO WORK ALL THE GAMES.

If you like the organ, that's great, you should put your efforts towards getting the Sox to hire somebody to work the other games. It's just a waste of time to try to get Brooks to "bring Nancy back" when it was her decision to not work all the games.

Hangar18
05-01-2006, 09:52 AM
ATTN HANGAR:

NANCY DOESN'T WANT TO WORK ALL THE GAMES.

If you like the organ, that's great, you should put your efforts towards getting the Sox to hire somebody to work the other games. It's just a waste of time to try to get Brooks to "bring Nancy back" when it was her decision to not work all the games.


I promise you. If Brooks asked her right now if she can play the games this week, she would say YES

anewman35
05-01-2006, 09:57 AM
I promise you. If Brooks asked her right now if she can play the games this week, she would say YES

Is this something Nancy told you? Or does this come from the same place in your head that some of the crackpot Cubs theories do?

Hangar18
05-01-2006, 10:04 AM
Is this something Nancy told you?
Or does this come from the same place in your head that some of the crackpot Cubs theories do?

Crackpot cub theories? You mean the one where I said the Tribune is seriously biased towards the White Sox?

But regarding nancy, I will not Confirm Nor Deny.

thepaulbowski
05-01-2006, 10:34 AM
I promise you. If Brooks asked her right now if she can play the games this week, she would say YES

:rolleyes:

SouthSide_HitMen
05-01-2006, 01:33 PM
Crackpot cub theories? You mean the one where I said the Tribune is seriously biased towards the White Sox?

But regarding nancy, I will not Confirm Nor Deny.

Not addressing your first comments (Nancy would play everyday if given the chance) since I do not have knowledge of it one way or the other.

What I do know is Nancy would gladly have "Nothing But Nancy Day" for the handful of games she is playing this year. You can still have the pathetic pizza / CTA bus / DHL delivery trucks / McDonalds Big Mac, etc. race music in between innings and of course Gene Honda.

As for Club Comiskey DJs that pollute the air, they can join the Chevy Pride Crew and go the way of Ribbie and Rhubarb into the dustbin of failed White Sox promotions.

Screw Club US Cellularhttp://www.streetswing.com/histmain/posters/gif/roxbury.jpg

We want nothing but

:nancy

:supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

TornLabrum
05-01-2006, 07:51 PM
A few comments:

1) I don't care what you say now. Any night game organist would be immediately compared to Nancy and found wanting. Then we'd be hearing the kind of bitching about it that I described in the article. In other words, replacing Nancy with a second part-time organist would be an absolute disaster, especially if the organist were say of Gary Pressy quality.

2) A very important part of the quote by Brooks was, "She, and organ music, is part of our history and part of our tradition [emphasis mine]." Traditions are something marketing people don't take lightly, at least from what I know about Brooks. Of course, this is just my reading of him based on a couple of conversations and several emails.

3) I get the feeling Nancy would work more games if asked, but I don't really think that she'd work all of them. BTW, consider that exactly what I said: a feeling. I don't know any more than anyone else here whether she actually would.

Lip Man 1
05-01-2006, 11:18 PM
Hal:

But remember some folks still think there is a 'vast conspiracy' to FORCE Nancy out DESPITE you quoting her DIRECTLY.

:rolleyes:

Lip

TornLabrum
05-01-2006, 11:38 PM
Hal:

But remember some folks still think there is a 'vast conspiracy' to FORCE Nancy out DESPITE you quoting her DIRECTLY.

:rolleyes:

Lip

Which reminds me of something Hitmen wrote quoted: "I don’t want it to be difficult for either side." I'd like to know exactly where this implies that the Sox want her out and Nancy knows it. There is a transition underway. She wants it to be easy on both herself and the Sox. That's all she said. My tealeaves apparently don't say the same thing that Hitmen's do.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-02-2006, 12:31 AM
A few comments:

1) I don't care what you say now. Any night game organist would be immediately compared to Nancy and found wanting. Then we'd be hearing the kind of bitching about it that I described in the article. In other words, replacing Nancy with a second part-time organist would be an absolute disaster, especially if the organist were say of Gary Pressy quality.

2) A very important part of the quote by Brooks was, "She, and organ music, is part of our history and part of our tradition [emphasis mine]." Traditions are something marketing people don't take lightly, at least from what I know about Brooks. Of course, this is just my reading of him based on a couple of conversations and several emails.


Well that is fine that you "don't care" what I or others have to say about the matter but I wished you asked the one and only question which needed to be asked at this point (Was a replacement for night games ever considered and if so (no) Why not? or (yes) Why was one not hired?).

I don't think anyone including myself has ever indicated that they don't care about the team's, your own or other dissenting opinions on this or other issues - people have an open mind here.

Everything in the latest article was addressed earlier so I was disappointed in your followup especially after your preceding article which stated you three thoughts about ballpark music (or noise which is what it has come down to):

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=3107

A. Request the noise be lowered.

B. Nancy's part time contract should be ripped up and Nancy should be encouraged to work more games if possible.

C. The Brewers took a survey regarding this and can the White Sox survey the fans to get their feedback.

Unfortunately none of these issues were discussed with Brooks in your followup or if they were the responses were not disclosed.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree (based on your reversal from last week's article) and time will tell if Brooks (or his replacement) listens to White Sox fans about this issue or he carries Gallas' torch to the finish line and the words "part of our" is deleted (as in organ music is history). Of course this would go against the party line since this was leaked here in January - the "How do you replace Coach K?" response by Brooks.

A replacement for night games would not end in "disaster" if the club took a little more time and effort than they did in the Singleton "disaster" (and pointing out said disaster results in more defensive stances by the club).

Still caring about Nancy & the organ,

SSHM

SouthSide_HitMen
05-02-2006, 12:37 AM
Hal:

But remember some folks still think there is a 'vast conspiracy' to FORCE Nancy out DESPITE you quoting her DIRECTLY.

:rolleyes:

Lip

People are questioning whether a replacement was considered and if not why?

Most people are taking Nancy's and Boyer's word on the matter. There would be no "conspiracy" theories if marketing directors in the past didn't indicate they wanted Nancy out.

The good news is apparently Reinsdorf (the only constant since 1981) still likes / loves Nancy which is why she outwit, outplayed and outlasted several previous marketing directors over the past 35 years and will hopefully do so for a many more. :cool:

IlliniSox4Life
05-02-2006, 12:40 AM
Hal, I enjoyed reading your 2 articles. I know a lot of posters including myself would have a hard time seeing anyone other than Nancy playing the organ at Sox games. I would still welcome anyone playing the organ for us Sox fans and would much rather have someone else playing instead of hearing canned music turned to the power of 11 at night games. Most likely a new organist would bring a completely new style, but also that is not a bad thing, it would make things interesting.

I agree. Almost all Sox fans loved Frank Thomas. We still appreciate everything he did now, but welcomed Thome with open arms. I don't see why it would be any different with an organist when it is something that just happen - people retire/move on.

Hangar18
05-02-2006, 09:27 AM
Which reminds me of something Hitmen wrote quoted: "I don’t want it to be difficult for either side." I'd like to know exactly where this implies that the Sox want her out and Nancy knows it. There is a transition underway. She wants it to be easy on both herself and the Sox. That's all she said. My tealeaves apparently don't say the same thing that Hitmen's do.

What makes you think they did want her out, but now are realizing it really wasnt such a great idea. I have a gut feeling myself ............. that she is dying to play more..........and already misses the park

Hangar18
05-02-2006, 09:30 AM
Hal:

But remember some folks still think there is a 'vast conspiracy' to FORCE Nancy out DESPITE you quoting her DIRECTLY.

:rolleyes:

Lip

Guess what ..................... Ive chatted with her too ..........

TornLabrum
05-02-2006, 06:32 PM
Well that is fine that you "don't care" what I or others have to say about the matter but I wished you asked the one and only question which needed to be asked at this point (Was a replacement for night games ever considered and if so (no) Why not? or (yes) Why was one not hired?).

I don't think anyone including myself has ever indicated that they don't care about the team's, your own or other dissenting opinions on this or other issues - people have an open mind here.

Everything in the latest article was addressed earlier so I was disappointed in your followup especially after your preceding article which stated you three thoughts about ballpark music (or noise which is what it has come down to):

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=3107

A. Request the noise be lowered.

B. Nancy's part time contract should be ripped up and Nancy should be encouraged to work more games if possible.

C. The Brewers took a survey regarding this and can the White Sox survey the fans to get their feedback.

Unfortunately none of these issues were discussed with Brooks in your followup or if they were the responses were not disclosed.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree (based on your reversal from last week's article) and time will tell if Brooks (or his replacement) listens to White Sox fans about this issue or he carries Gallas' torch to the finish line and the words "part of our" is deleted (as in organ music is history). Of course this would go against the party line since this was leaked here in January - the "How do you replace Coach K?" response by Brooks.

A replacement for night games would not end in "disaster" if the club took a little more time and effort than they did in the Singleton "disaster" (and pointing out said disaster results in more defensive stances by the club).

Still caring about Nancy & the organ,

SSHM

A. Brooks chose not to address that issue.
B. Brooks and Nancy were responding to that.
C. Brooks chose not to respond to that.

TornLabrum
05-02-2006, 06:34 PM
What makes you think they did want her out, but now are realizing it really wasnt such a great idea. I have a gut feeling myself ............. that she is dying to play more..........and already misses the park

I feel that there was no indication that the Sox wanted her out because Nancy chose to broach the issue herself. As for your gut feelings, mine are from conversations and emails with her.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-02-2006, 06:35 PM
A. Brooks chose not to address that issue.
B. Brooks and Nancy were responding to that.
C. Brooks chose not to respond to that.

Thank you for your candor and follow up.

Hangar18
05-03-2006, 09:46 AM
I feel that there was no indication that the Sox wanted her out because Nancy chose to broach the issue herself. As for your gut feelings, mine are from conversations and emails with her.

I think Nancy started feeling bad they make her play less and less and she feels they want her out. She doesnt want to make trouble, so she broached the issue. It was the SOX who jumped at her offer. My feelings are from Conversations with her also. many of them. I would bet big money, that if the SOX realized their error, and asked her to play more,
she would be Ecstatic to do so.

FoulTerritory
05-03-2006, 12:22 PM
I don't doubt Hanger's comments on this at all. Just because Nancy broached the subject initially, and just because all of her public comments take the high road, the behavior of Sox marketing over the past years toward the organ makes this whole thing smell a little fishy.

Whether the Sox nudged Nancy to her decision or not, the can be little dispute that the marketing department has been generally not on board w/ the organ, as Nancy's playing time has been consistently and gradually scaled back over the last 15 years.

But here is what gets me -- and I think someone mentioned it in passing earlier in the thread -- the Sox do all of this refurbishing of the ballpark to give it a "retro" or traditional baseball feel, in response to fan complaints and media bitching, and then they turn around and lead us to believe the organ isn't a crucial part of the experience! This makes no sense Brooks! Its very hard to appreciate the retro feel of the park when a canned "Pump of the Jam" is blaring over the speakers. The entire retro/traditional experience rings hollow then -- and the whole reason Sox fans wanted the damn park rennovated in the first place was to have a traditional feel. Why on earth would you change the ballpark to that and then consider ditching the organ??? This whole thing boggles me more and more every time I think about it. Jeesh.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 12:24 PM
I think Nancy started feeling bad they make her play less and less and she feels they want her out. She doesnt want to make trouble, so she broached the issue. It was the SOX who jumped at her offer. My feelings are from Conversations with her also. many of them. I would bet big money, that if the SOX realized their error, and asked her to play more,
she would be Ecstatic to do so.

It would be interesting to see if she wanted to play more than 1/3 of the games (say add weekend night games which start early for the fireworks) if the club would allow it or if she wanted to play half the season.

I hope to see some changes in 2007 - changes for the better that is. That goes for Dave Wills returning to the booth. I think the Devil Rays are 4th behind the Sox, Mets and Dodgers for games I've listened to this season. I've scanned through games and listened to several 8th / 9th innings to get a read on the closer situation (yes one of my teams is desperate). Anyway I like him - he has a funny wit and reminds me of Charlie Steiner. I think he can keep Farmeo in line (returning back to the analyst role) and he has the experience and training to do so.

http://muzyka.kulichki.net/david_bowie/david_bowie3.jpg

Cha Cha Cha Cha Changes
Where's your shame
You've left us up to our necks in it
Time may change me
But you can't trace time

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 12:32 PM
I don't doubt Hanger's comments on this at all. Just because Nancy broached the subject initially, and just because all of her public comments take the high road, the behavior of Sox marketing over the past years toward the organ makes this whole thing smell a little fishy.

Whether the Sox nudged Nancy to her decision or not, the can be little dispute that the marketing department has been generally not on board w/ the organ, as Nancy's playing time has been consistently and gradually scaled back over the last 15 years.

But here is what gets me -- and I think someone mentioned it in passing earlier in the thread -- the Sox do all of this refurbishing of the ballpark to give it a "retro" or traditional baseball feel, in response to fan complaints and media bitching, and then they turn around and lead us to believe the organ isn't a crucial part of the experience! This makes no sense Brooks! Its very hard to appreciate the retro feel of the park when a canned "Pump of the Jam" is blaring over the speakers. The entire retro/traditional experience rings hollow then -- and the whole reason Sox fans wanted the damn park rennovated in the first place was to have a traditional feel. Why on earth would you change the ballpark to that and then consider ditching the organ??? This whole thing boggles me more and more every time I think about it. Jeesh.

Great post and I would like to add the loss of a human touch. Many people spend their days at work on the computer, rummaging through automated voice prompts, hearing synthesized canned music on the elevator or on hold or in the office. Then they get in their car and the music is just as bad (and you have to deal with traffic as well). They get home, turn on the TV and they have loud commercials shouted at them using lyrics of songs they once love to pimp a pop tart or a car or insurance.

It would be nice to enjoy real have a human being producing real music instead of trying to pimp as many pizza races, in game ads and rap player intros as possible (and to add insult to injury, try to phase out Kiss Him Goodbye with Bad Bad Leroy Brown which went over like a nuclear bomb).

You can either have Nancy (or another organist) or NOISE. I know which most fans prefer. Hopefully some club employes will swallow some pride (like the reversal of Na Na Na Na Nancy's first day off) and do the right thing.

thepaulbowski
05-03-2006, 01:54 PM
C. The Brewers took a survey regarding this and can the White Sox survey the fans to get their feedback.

The Sox have done surveys for years, even Gallas did that. I have taken them at the ballpark & at Soxfest. Several of the questions always have revolved around the music/organ at the ballpark.

Hangar18
05-03-2006, 02:04 PM
the last nite game I was at, I have to say the feeling was that of EMPTINESS and of SOMETHING MISSING. GONE is the spontaneity that only Nancy could give us. There is no way whoever is running the tape recorder, that we can get the same thing. Never have I imagined what Comiskey would be like without Nancy, and we know now. This is a Stupid Experiment. Swallow some Pride and lets get her back here ............
and let her PLAY MORE, not less.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 02:04 PM
The Sox have done surveys for years, even Gallas did that. I have taken them at the ballpark & at Soxfest. Several of the questions always have revolved around the music/organ at the ballpark.

C. The Brewers took a survey regarding this and can the White Sox survey the fans to get their feedback.

C. Brooks chose not to respond to that.

I went to over 30 games and never filled out a survey last season. I have an 81 game package this year and have not received an emailed or snail mail survey. I would like to fill one out. I enjoy many of the amenities and other improvements over the years.

This is one of the few things I disagree with.

Ol' No. 2
05-03-2006, 02:43 PM
C. The Brewers took a survey regarding this and can the White Sox survey the fans to get their feedback.



I went to over 30 games and never filled out a survey last season. I have an 81 game package this year and have not received an emailed or snail mail survey. I would like to fill one out. I enjoy many of the amenities and other improvements over the years.

This is one of the few things I disagree with.I was surveyed once last year. They send out maybe a dozen people who are supposed to survey 50 people each. Do the math and you'll see that your odds of getting surveyed aren't high. But that doesn't mean they're not statistically valid.

It would be a mistake to assume that the sentiment expressed on WSI is shared by the fans as a whole. We're NOT typical. I'm sure there are some nitwits who don't like organ music. But I also think that those are a small minority and that a majority would like Nancy to continue forever. I also have to assume that Brooks Boyer is a smart guy and he sees the results of those surveys. He's not going to give Nancy the bum's rush when most fans want her there.

Nancy could have a dozen different personal reasons for wanting to cut back. But if the idea is to provide a transition period, where's the transition? Unless they plan to discontinue the organ permanently, the whole idea of a transition is to find someone else to gradually take over. Sure, he/she will inevitably be compared with Nancy Faust, but that will always be true. The only way to avoid that is to not have a replacement at all. That would suck.

Hangar18
05-03-2006, 03:00 PM
It would be a mistake to assume that the sentiment expressed on WSI is shared by the fans as a whole. We're NOT typical.

I also have to assume that Brooks Boyer is a smart guy and he sees the results of those surveys. He's not going to give Nancy the bum's rush when most fans want her there.



I know nobody will ever be able to replace Nancy, but the only good thing, if there is one with replacing one organist with another, is that the bar is set Nice & High. The next person will know what is expected of them, they will have to interact with the fans and the game on a regular basis ...... and be good at it. The SOX have had the BEST ORGANIST in baseball for many many years. Its a crock and a terrible shame that she hasnt gotten her due in this town (with the fans she has) just because she plays on the south side.

As for Sox Fan Sentiments here? I think the place is Perfect for gauging the way fans feel. Why do you think so many media members secretly (we know your watching by the way) hang out here. In fact, there are a couple who borrow ideas for their shows by looking at what were talking about.

Lets not forget, the SOX organization has for many years, managed to pull a PR Gaffe year after year after year, and only very recently have gotten smart and arent that far removed from the "old" days. Im all for experimentation, but this doesnt work, and hope they realize this sooner than later. Nancy is a gem and dont want to see happen to her the same thing that happened to Carlton Fisk.

ilsox7
05-03-2006, 03:08 PM
I was surveyed once last year. They send out maybe a dozen people who are supposed to survey 50 people each. Do the math and you'll see that your odds of getting surveyed aren't high. But that doesn't mean they're not statistically valid.

It would be a mistake to assume that the sentiment expressed on WSI is shared by the fans as a whole. We're NOT typical. I'm sure there are some nitwits who don't like organ music. But I also think that those are a small minority and that a majority would like Nancy to continue forever. I also have to assume that Brooks Boyer is a smart guy and he sees the results of those surveys. He's not going to give Nancy the bum's rush when most fans want her there.

Nancy could have a dozen different personal reasons for wanting to cut back. But if the idea is to provide a transition period, where's the transition? Unless they plan to discontinue the organ permanently, the whole idea of a transition is to find someone else to gradually take over. Sure, he/she will inevitably be compared with Nancy Faust, but that will always be true. The only way to avoid that is to not have a replacement at all. That would suck.

This is probably where I differ in opinion from most. While the vast majority of us here would want all Nancy all the time, I really believe that the majority of people at the ballpark either want the DJ Crap or really don't care one way or another. Maybe it's my lack of confidence in society as a whole, or maybe I just think most people are dumb, but unfortunately, I think if the Sox surveyed every person through the gates, we'd be on the losing end of the results.

And sadly, someone in Brooks' position often times has to cater to what the majority opinion is. That is why I think you're not seeing a replacement organist. The Sox know a small segment of their fan base prefers the organ and is doing what they can to appease us. But on the whole, DJ Crap is where it's at for most fans. But maybe I am just too cynical.

thepaulbowski
05-03-2006, 03:11 PM
As for Sox Fan Sentiments here? I think the place is Perfect for gauging the way fans feel.

To get a true statistical representation of the numbers more than one source should be used. So this would not be the perfect place to gauge how fans feel. You will find a true representation of people at the ballpark. Not on a message board. This board is only a fragment of the statistical sample.

But my 2 cents on the subject are: Nancy does a great job and she is one of the best. But with of without her I will go to games.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 03:19 PM
I also have to assume that Brooks Boyer is a smart guy and he sees the results of those surveys. He's not going to give Nancy the bum's rush when most fans want her there.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-chris26.html

Brooks Boyer, the Sox' vice president of marketing, and Bob Grim, their senior director of business development and broadcasting, were impressed with Singleton during his interview, and they heard enough potential in his tape to offer him the color commentator position.

ilsox7
05-03-2006, 03:20 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-chris26.html

Brooks Boyer, the Sox' vice president of marketing, and Bob Grim, their senior director of business development and broadcasting, were impressed with Singleton during his interview, and they heard enough potential in his tape to offer him the color commentator position.

That really does not prove anything. Do you really think Brooks would come out after 1 month of work and say that Singleton sucks? Of course not.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 03:28 PM
That really does not prove anything. Do you really think Brooks would come out after 1 month of work and say that Singleton sucks? Of course not.

All I have so far is that quote and the Coach K analogy.

Are you saying he wasn't impressed with the interview?

Did Chris Singleton hire himself?

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9712/26/seinfeld.influence/kramer.jpg

These reports you handed in. It's almost as if you have no business training at all..

ilsox7
05-03-2006, 03:39 PM
All I have so far is that quote and the Coach K analogy.

Are you saying he wasn't impressed with the interview?

Did Chris Singleton hire himself?

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9712/26/seinfeld.influence/kramer.jpg

These reports you handed in. It's almost as if you have no business training at all..
Brooks did not hire Singleton. A lot more happened behind the scenes with that radio job than the public at-large will ever know. But the bottom line is, what would you expect Brooks to say? The guy our radio broadcast just hired on a multi-year contract sucks after 1 month and we're going to fire him? That is simply not realistic.

As I said in a previous post, I really believe that us Nancy lovers are in the minority. And if that's the case, would we want Brooks or the Sox to come out and say, "Listen, we like Nancy and know you do, too. But the bottom line is the majority of our fan base is either indifferent toward her or prefers the DJ Crap."

As of now, Brooks and the Sox are saying only what needs to be said. But I think you can read a lot in between the lines with regard to not hiring a replacement, cutting down on how much Nancy plays during the games she attends, etc. That is the real evidence as to how Sox fans view the organ, not what they are obliged to say during interviews.

I really hope I am wrong on this, but actions speak louder than words. And all actions in this scenario point to WSI being in the minority, unfortunately.

FoulTerritory
05-03-2006, 03:46 PM
Brooks did not hire Singleton. A lot more happened behind the scenes with that radio job than the public at-large will ever know. But the bottom line is, what would you expect Brooks to say? The guy our radio broadcast just hired on a multi-year contract sucks after 1 month and we're going to fire him? That is simply not realistic.

As I said in a previous post, I really believe that us Nancy lovers are in the minority. And if that's the case, would we want Brooks or the Sox to come out and say, "Listen, we like Nancy and know you do, too. But the bottom line is the majority of our fan base is either indifferent toward her or prefers the DJ Crap."

As of now, Brooks and the Sox are saying only what needs to be said. But I think you can read a lot in between the lines with regard to not hiring a replacement, cutting down on how much Nancy plays during the games she attends, etc. That is the real evidence as to how Sox fans view the organ, not what they are obliged to say during interviews.

I really hope I am wrong on this, but actions speak louder than words. And all actions in this scenario point to WSI being in the minority, unfortunately.

I agree w/ you in that it may very well be Brooks' opinion that despite the fact that the die-hards love the organ, the general populace generally prefers the other crap. But if he thinks that, he's wrong. People LOVE tradition in sports. Just look at how the Cubs and Wrigly are marketed. Granted, that is a case of tradition overkill, but in sports people eat that tradition **** up -- even the casual fans.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 04:07 PM
Brooks did not hire Singleton. A lot more happened behind the scenes with that radio job than the public at-large will ever know. But the bottom line is, what would you expect Brooks to say? The guy our radio broadcast just hired on a multi-year contract sucks after 1 month and we're going to fire him? That is simply not realistic.

As I said in a previous post, I really believe that us Nancy lovers are in the minority. And if that's the case, would we want Brooks or the Sox to come out and say, "Listen, we like Nancy and know you do, too. But the bottom line is the majority of our fan base is either indifferent toward her or prefers the DJ Crap."

As of now, Brooks and the Sox are saying only what needs to be said. But I think you can read a lot in between the lines with regard to not hiring a replacement, cutting down on how much Nancy plays during the games she attends, etc. That is the real evidence as to how Sox fans view the organ, not what they are obliged to say during interviews.

I really hope I am wrong on this, but actions speak louder than words. And all actions in this scenario point to WSI being in the minority, unfortunately.

Well you are entitled to your "minority" (in terms of percentage) opinion.

If you want someone to spin bad decisions they are partially (Singleton) or fully (no replacement organist) responsible for you have your man.

All a fan wants at a game is to be able to talk to the people they came with (without constant bombardment of ads, corporate cartoon "races", etc. at 120 dbl.) and enjoy the action on the field. All fans want when they tune in the radio to listen to the game is an experienced trained professional announce the game.

Singleton and no replacement organist are the only two major decisions made since Brooks arrived (and no Mullet Night isn't major). I guess you can point to "grinder rules" as a positive and it is a good ad campaign. Maybe others can point out other significant positive developments.

With the 2005 performance, all the club needed to do was hire people to take season ticket orders.

I'm not saying Brooks is the worst marketing guy ever (or worse than Gallas) but I see little evidence of the "genius" label loosely thrown around here. The Bulls sold out for over a decade solely due to Michael Jordan and 6 championships. I thought the "Through Thick and Thin" ad campaign was brutal (we support our ****ty product and you should too).

Kenny Williams' acquisitions have been genius. Thomas Edison was a genius. Duke Ellington - more genius. Ditto Ben Franklin.

The first axiom should be "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Brooks refused to answer any of Torn Labrum's questions regarding fan surveys the fans and no data has been presented so claims of "WSI is the minority and most fans want canned music" ring hollow and are as valid as the "voices in Hanger's head" remarks bashing his comments.

Another reason why it think you are wrong about fans wanting canned music / no night game organist is the fact that Brook's excuse is "We can't replace Coach K". If he had data from surveys indicating fans wanted less or no organ and more or all canned music, he would be able to say "we have spoken with our fans on the issue and a majority prefer more hip, modern music clips." He could have sold the whole transition as "We are giving fans more of what they want while still catering to the small minority of fans who want a little organ music during the game." If fans were against the under 20% of organ music permitted this season (1/3 of the season played during a portion of the games - less than half), Nancy would have been gone years ago. If Gallas had feedback indicating fans didn't want or care he would have accomplished his goal of axing Nancy.

I had to laugh when I heard people raving about the "scoreboard" installed between the suites and upper deck. The "scoreboard" does not show the score / game information on even a portion of the stadium length screen. It sometimes states Chicago White Sox or a team related message but the majority of the time it is nothing but a constant in game advertisement for this hospital or this insurance plan. I guess most people accept the spin as they do the spin on news or political talk / speeches and most other things sold as fact.

New and improved White Sox baseball - amateur hour on The Whore 670 and more canned music than any other Chicago Stadium!!!

spiffie
05-03-2006, 04:13 PM
All a fan wants at a game is to be able to talk to the people they came with (without constant bombardment of ads, corporate cartoon "races", etc. at 120 dbl.) and enjoy the action on the field.
I agreed with most of what you put up there, but I have to say I don't know that you're really on base with this one. I agree about the constant bombardment of ads part, but I think judging by the size of the response whenever one of the cartoon races or any of the promotions between innings happens that people have come to accept that as part of the ballpark experience. I personally enjoy the diversion between innings of something stupid like seeing which of us can guess the pizza race or the attendance or any of that. We may bitch about them on here, but even the Chevy Pride crew and their t-shirts always gets a lot of attention. I think the fans want to entertained in an active way between innings, but would be much more inclined to more traditional entertainment (the organ) during the game itself.

thepaulbowski
05-03-2006, 04:19 PM
I agreed with most of what you put up there, but I have to say I don't know that you're really on base with this one. I agree about the constant bombardment of ads part, but I think judging by the size of the response whenever one of the cartoon races or any of the promotions between innings happens that people have come to accept that as part of the ballpark experience. I personally enjoy the diversion between innings of something stupid like seeing which of us can guess the pizza race or the attendance or any of that. We may bitch about them on here, but even the Chevy Pride crew and their t-shirts always gets a lot of attention. I think the fans want to entertained in an active way between innings, but would be much more inclined to more traditional entertainment (the organ) during the game itself.

But he is speaking for all us, just ask him.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 04:23 PM
But he is speaking for all us, just ask him.

No, I supported the idea of a fan survey of a broad range of fans and a presentation of data based off of fans responses not thoughts in our head regarding WSI fans being outside of the mainstream and the vast majority of fans love canned music because that is what we are fed.

A broad range of fans were surveyed in Milwaukee and the response was to bring back the organ but then again what do mere fans know in the face of genius. Luckily for Brewers fans, the ballclub's marketing staff listens to the fans and gives them what they want, not what they think the fans want.

thepaulbowski
05-03-2006, 04:30 PM
No, I supported the idea of a fan survey and a presentation of facts based off of fans responses not thoughts in our head regarding WSI fans being outside of the mainstream and the vast majority of fans love canned music because that is what we are fed.


:?:

Never did I say I liked canned music, nor do I.

Despite the fact that you haven't filled out a fan survey, they have done them for years. I did one the first time in 1999 and seen them at games & SoxFest every year since. Heck, the only way anybody would even stop to take the time to fill them out before was by giving you Comiskey Cash after they quizzed you. Aparently they are getting responses and reacting to them.

Also, If you want responses see the reaction everbody gives to free T-shirts the Chevy Pride Crew throws into the stands, see the response to the pizza races, see the response to the guess the attendance quiz. Basing my opinion on the reaction of the stands people are being entertained and seem to enjoy it. Also, based on fan reaction...the XM seems to be a HUGE bust.

spiffie
05-03-2006, 04:44 PM
Also, If you want responses see the reaction everbody gives to free T-shirts the Chevy Pride Crew throws into the stands, see the response to the pizza races, see the response to the guess the attendance quiz. Basing my opinion on the reaction of the stands people are being entertained and seem to enjoy it. Also, based on fan reaction...the XM seems to be a HUGE bust.
I admit it, I have jumped and nudged a guy out of the way to get the free shirt from Chevy. :redface:

ilsox7
05-03-2006, 04:49 PM
:?:

Never did I say I liked canned music, nor do I.

Despite the fact that you haven't filled out a fan survey, they have done them for years. I did one the first time in 1999 and seen them at games & SoxFest every year since. Heck, the only way anybody would even stop to take the time to fill them out before was by giving you Comiskey Cash after they quizzed you. Aparently they are getting responses and reacting to them.

Also, If you want responses see the reaction everbody gives to free T-shirts the Chevy Pride Crew throws into the stands, see the response to the pizza races, see the response to the guess the attendance quiz. Basing my opinion on the reaction of the stands people are being entertained and seem to enjoy it. Also, based on fan reaction...the XM seems to be a HUGE bust.

This is basically my logic behind what I am saying. No one has given one good reason as to why Brooks or the Sox would act in direct opposition of what the fans have said. I do not think it can be said enough, but WSI is FAR from a representative sample of White Sox fans. Brooks has proved to be smart in many aspects of marketing. I just don't see any evidence as to why he'd take what the fans say and do the exact opposite. It makes no sense and NO ONE here has given one reason why he'd do this.

Until I see a logical reason why Brooks would take the data from the surveys and act explicitly against said data, I have trouble believing any arguments based on a random quote here or there.

ilsox7
05-03-2006, 04:58 PM
To add to my point in this thread that WSI is nowhere near being a representative sample of Sox fans, next time you go to a game, take a look around you.

How many fans pay attention to every pitch? How many fans miss half-innings while getting food or beer? How many fans keep score? How many fans comment on the organ? How many fans are there for baseball just as much as socializing?

If you take an honest look around, you'll see that most fans at ballgame are there to be entertained, which they are, IN PART, by the baseball game. But they also want other things going on around them. Hence Fundamentals. Or the Bullpen Bar. Whereas most of us would be happy to see the game no matter where its played, many folks expect to have additional forms of entertainment to enhance their experiences. We are not like that.

spiffie
05-03-2006, 05:02 PM
This is basically my logic behind what I am saying. No one has given one good reason as to why Brooks or the Sox would act in direct opposition of what the fans have said. I do not think it can be said enough, but WSI is FAR from a representative sample of White Sox fans. Brooks has proved to be smart in many aspects of marketing. I just don't see any evidence as to why he'd take what the fans say and do the exact opposite. It makes no sense and NO ONE here has given one reason why he'd do this.

Until I see a logical reason why Brooks would take the data from the surveys and act explicitly against said data, I have trouble believing any arguments based on a random quote here or there.
I think there's a question of how things are put to the fans. If you are running the White Sox, and there's an internal sensibility that the organ is outdated and corny, then you ask people "Will you stop coming to the ballpark if organ music is eliminated?" and "Is organ music an essential part of your ballpark experience?" And unless you're Hangar you are going to answer no to both of those. Or you can ask "Do you prefer the traditional organ sounds of Nancy Faust or the sounds of modern hip-hop and heavy metal as selected by a DJ?" which I would be willing to be would be a whole different sample. We don't have any idea as a group what is being asked of people and in what context.

ilsox7
05-03-2006, 05:08 PM
I think there's a question of how things are put to the fans. If you are running the White Sox, and there's an internal sensibility that the organ is outdated and corny, then you ask people "Will you stop coming to the ballpark if organ music is eliminated?" and "Is organ music an essential part of your ballpark experience?" And unless you're Hangar you are going to answer no to both of those. Or you can ask "Do you prefer the traditional organ sounds of Nancy Faust or the sounds of modern hip-hop and heavy metal as selected by a DJ?" which I would be willing to be would be a whole different sample. We don't have any idea as a group what is being asked of people and in what context.

That's a good point. Someone who is going to a game this homestand, seek out a survey and report back.

thepaulbowski
05-03-2006, 05:08 PM
We don't have any idea as a group what is being asked of people and in what context.

Being that I have been surveyed a few times over the years I can answer that question. They ask the following questions in some shape or form

Do you enjoy the organ?
Would you like to hear more or less of the organ music?
Do you enjoy the canned music?
Would you like to hear more or less of the canned music?
Is the music played at a comfortable level, should it be louded or softer?

I don't recall if they asked if you preferred one or the other.

My tip for filling these out seems to be just wait outside the womens restroom. Each time I have been surveyed at the ballpark I have been waiting for my wife to exit. :cool:

ilsox7
05-03-2006, 05:12 PM
Being that I have been surveyed a few times over the years I can answer that question. They ask the following questions in some shape or form

Do you enjoy the organ?
Would you like to hear more or less of the organ music?
Do you enjoy the canned music?
Would you like to hear more or less of the canned music?
Is the music played at a comfortable level, should it be louded or softer?

I don't recall if they asked if you preferred one or the other.

My tip for filling these out seems to be just wait outside the womens restroom. Each time I have been surveyed at the ballpark I have been waiting for my wife to exit. :cool:

Well, it seems one solution is for people to seek out surveys and make it clear they want the organ. Because those questions are straightforward.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 05:33 PM
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Never did I say I liked canned music, nor do I.

Well most people must like it because that is what is played and people who don't like it are clearly in the minority (or maybe that is something I've read here). I'm not attributing you to supporting it but people here are assuming that is what most people want based on what is being presented at games.



Despite the fact that you haven't filled out a fan survey, they have done them for years. I did one the first time in 1999 and seen them at games & SoxFest every year since. Heck, the only way anybody would even stop to take the time to fill them out before was by giving you Comiskey Cash after they quizzed you. Aparently they are getting responses and reacting to them.

I understand the club surveyed fans over the years. My point is if the club had data supporting increased canned music they would have "sold" this to the fans during the announcement (well they didn't announce it *) of the transition.

This could have been a positive response to fans. "Based on fans wanting more "modern music" we are going to replace the organ for night games. However, since we want to accomidate the small minority of fans (who by the way voted 98% to 2% to either keep the same organ / canned music mix or eliminate canned music) who love Nancy Faust as much as The White Sox do, Nancy will be featured during all of our afternoon ballgames in 2006.

The fact the club offered no formal announcement and their only response to date is "We can't replace Coach K" without offering any indication or evidence that fans are truly clamouring for canned music indicates there is no desire for canned music outside of the marketing offices on 35th street which has been the case since the new park opened.

I have an 81 game package. There are 21,500 season ticketholders. They should survey all season ticket holders sometime this season (I agree not until mid season to allow people to have an opinion about 2006 games) as this would cover more than half of the total tickets sold.

This is far more preferrable than having people running around with clipboards which many fans will avoid as they have the same appearance as say those having you fill out a Pontiac questionaire for a tee shirt or a credit card application for a tee shirt or blanket or a... (you get the picture).

Longtime season ticket holders said they have not mailed surveys to fans in the past. I would think surveying well over 30,000 season ticket holding White Sox fans (the 21,500 # is for full season plans but a large portion of seats are held by three or more people who purchased split season tickets or Ozzie Plans) would give the White Sox the best data as to what actual ticket buying fans want (or don't want) when they go to a game.

Also, If you want responses see the reaction everbody gives to free T-shirts the Chevy Pride Crew throws into the stands, see the response to the pizza races, see the response to the guess the attendance quiz. Basing my opinion on the reaction of the stands people are being entertained and seem to enjoy it. Also, based on fan reaction...the XM seems to be a HUGE bust.

I am not a big fan of being bombarded by ads. That said, I realize the White Sox wish to squeeze every penny they can out of a ballgame and ads will never go away. I also understand Americans have been conditioned like Pavlov's Dogs since birth to accept ads (to the tune of 3,000 PER DAY) and organizations will seek to maximize ads.

The attendance quiz is fine because it actually has something to do with the event. The XM promo gives chance to boo the worst dancer or cheer the best (or most ridiculous). I guess the kids (and many adults) like the racing pizza's. I think the live sausage race in Milwaukee is clever as far as ads go.

I'm not saying I speak for all fans (which is what your post sarcastically stated). I can only go by what fans post here (98% vs. 2%), fans I talk to (100% vs. 0%) or the results of actual surveys disclosed to the public (Milwaukee vast majority pro organ - organ brought back after (genius) Bud Selig shut it down as owner).

The Brewers have used an organist since 2003, when Dean Rosko took over the post as a senior in high school. The team brought back the live organ after an informal fan poll at a town hall-type event in the winter of 2002.
MLB.com

Until Brooks presents data which runs counter to the fan surveys I've pointed out which universally support the organ when it comes to "most" White Sox fans (such as real survey results from the team (and not some 11th Ward backroom concoction :smile: ) there is no other conclusion except the decision not to have a night game organist was a top / bottom decision.

The ballclub would be in a better position if they had surveys indicating canned music is what the fans wanted. The fact that the club made no formal release about this "transition" indicates this was a decision they want minimized * and not something they want to inform the public about - a public which supposedly is clamoring for these changes.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/search_archive.jsp?c_id=cws&category=pr&month=01&year=2006&pg=1


* The club has had 54 press releases since Hal informed us of this decision in January, 2006 for such "major" announcements as:

Miller signs a ten year deal to sell their "beer" at the park.
Condo Sales experts team up with the White Sox.
Fall Out Boy will preform during a pregame.

thepaulbowski
05-03-2006, 05:49 PM
Until Brooks presents data which runs counter to the fan surveys I've pointed out which universally support the organ when it comes to "most" White Sox fans (such as real survey results from the team (and not some 11th Ward backroom concoction :smile: ) there is no other conclusion except the decision not to have a night game organist was a top / bottom decision.

First off you will NEVER get any marketing data the Sox collect released, that is just bad business for any business. You may get statements such as "according to our data." Secondly if this is upsetting to some as it seems voice your opinion.

Lastly, I can just imagine the outcry on this board if they actually did hire another organist to do night games. Some would say they are forcing Nancy futher out the door other s would claim whoever hired that person doesn't know there ass from a hole in the ground and should be fired for hiring such a person.

Face it: the Sox are defending World Series Champs, currently in first place and people are still finding things to bitch about. It's shocking some people call Sox fans bitter.

miker
05-03-2006, 05:51 PM
Face it: the Sox are defending World Series Champs, currently in first place and people are still finding things to bitch about. It's shocking some people call Sox fans bitter.
That's just human nature...Nancy is a White Sox institution and even if she is leaving on her own, it shouldn't be taken lightly.

ilsox7
05-03-2006, 05:52 PM
SSHM:

Have you considered that the club is sensitive to Nancy on this issue? By coming out and saying that the surveys have said the canned music is desired, they are really throwing Nancy under the bus in a public forum. Instead, Nancy has realized this and been told privately, and the easiest and best means from a PR perspective is allowing her to work at her desired pace in respect to her contributions to the Sox over the last several decades. Again, when you read between the lines, this is what seems to be happening. It is a very logical connection as to why Nancy cut back (along with her wanting to retire) and why the Sox have not hired a replacement. Simply put, the Sox respect Nancy and would not force her out, but they also want to appeal to their fanbase.

That's the appropriate way of doing things. Just b/c the Sox have the data and a few fans want to see it does not obligate them to release said data.

Again, the only data you are providing is a small sample off an internet message board. The Sox have their surveys, which I am sure they base many decisions off of (Fundamentals, for instance, a multi-million dollar investment). Just b/c they have them and a few people have asked to see the data does not make it appropriate for them to release the data, nor are they obligated to. Instead, they've let the actions at the park speak for themselves and when asked about the subject, they've been careful with their words so as to not offend Nancy.

I just want to reiterate that I wish it was all organ all the time. But that's not how it is. And to think the Sox are spitting in the face of their fans is just ridiculous. Brooks has done many, many great things since taking over the job. From hiring 2x4 to produce a great campaign, to the video to start the game to the montages seen throughout the year to the packages they apparently send season ticket holders to things he has done personally for many people on this site, there is no evidence that they would fly in the face of what their data tells them.

As much as I appreciate Nancy and appreciate your persistence in trying to keep the organ at the games, I just don't think you're seeing the big picture, beyond anecdotal evidence from WSI. As much as it hurts me to say that, it seems to be the truth from every action taken by the Sox and everything said by them. As much as you'd like to think so, we are not entitled to the raw data gathered by the Sox marketing department.

Now, I do agree that all season ticket holders should get surveys, as those are the folks that are your best customers. That needs to happen and my guess is it will happen in the near future. But until it does, the best data the Sox have to go off of are their surveys at the park and not the opinions of 100-200 posters on a message board.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 06:07 PM
First off you will NEVER get any marketing data the Sox collect released, that is just bad business for any business. You may get statements such as "according to our data." Secondly if this is upsetting to some as it seems voice your opinion.

Well, except when it actually paints the club in a positive light (i.e. Milwaukee's switch to the organ). I don't need precinct totals, just a factual statement. I still find it odd that you and others come to the conclusion that most fans (well except for most of the fans we know or talk to including on this board) of the White Sox are the only people who want canned music.

Lastly, I can just imagine the outcry on this board if they actually did hire another organist to do night games. Some would say they are forcing Nancy futher out the door other s would claim whoever hired that person doesn't know there ass from a hole in the ground and should be fired for hiring such a person.

If they took the time to hire a good organist (they have over a year to get one for 2007) there would be no issue. They have made no effort to date (and will not discuss this).

The Singleton criticism comes from the fact he has no training or experience. Hire someone who has worked in a smaller market and can actually announce ballgames and you would not get a "vast outcry". Singleton is the equivalent of hiring the kids in front of the el banging on buckets or one of those keyboard players at the Washington stop to replace Nancy.

Hire a trained, competitant organ player. This isn't rocket science folks.

Face it: the Sox are defending World Series Champs, currently in first place and people are still finding things to bitch about. It's shocking some people call Sox fans bitter.

Thank God we do have experienced professionals hiring the on field talent. Then again it is easier to bash fans for not liking non qualified broadcasters or shutting down the organ for most games - an organ that has been a constant for generations - long before Nancy arrived as well as Marketing VP #15 (Gallas) and #16 (Boyer).

Baseball is unique and we will not market this like the NBA. By the way, canned music is to baseball as Apple Pie and Coach K is to America.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 06:25 PM
SSHM:

Have you considered that the club is sensitive to Nancy on this issue? By coming out and saying that the surveys have said the canned music is desired, they are really throwing Nancy under the bus in a public forum. Instead, Nancy has realized this and been told privately, and the easiest and best means from a PR perspective is allowing her to work at her desired pace in respect to her contributions to the Sox over the last several decades. Again, when you read between the lines, this is what seems to be happening. It is a very logical connection as to why Nancy cut back (along with her wanting to retire) and why the Sox have not hired a replacement. Simply put, the Sox respect Nancy and would not force her out, but they also want to appeal to their fanbase.

That's the appropriate way of doing things. Just b/c the Sox have the data and a few fans want to see it does not obligate them to release said data.

Again, the only data you are providing is a small sample off an internet message board. The Sox have their surveys, which I am sure they base many decisions off of (Fundamentals, for instance, a multi-million dollar investment). Just b/c they have them and a few people have asked to see the data does not make it appropriate for them to release the data, nor are they obligated to. Instead, they've let the actions at the park speak for themselves and when asked about the subject, they've been careful with their words so as to not offend Nancy.

I just want to reiterate that I wish it was all organ all the time. But that's not how it is. And to think the Sox are spitting in the face of their fans is just ridiculous. Brooks has done many, many great things since taking over the job. From hiring 2x4 to produce a great campaign, to the video to start the game to the montages seen throughout the year to the packages they apparently send season ticket holders to things he has done personally for many people on this site, there is no evidence that they would fly in the face of what their data tells them.

As much as I appreciate Nancy and appreciate your persistence in trying to keep the organ at the games, I just don't think you're seeing the big picture, beyond anecdotal evidence from WSI. As much as it hurts me to say that, it seems to be the truth from every action taken by the Sox and everything said by them. As much as you'd like to think so, we are not entitled to the raw data gathered by the Sox marketing department.

Now, I do agree that all season ticket holders should get surveys, as those are the folks that are your best customers. That needs to happen and my guess is it will happen in the near future. But until it does, the best data the Sox have to go off of are their surveys at the park and not the opinions of 100-200 posters on a message board.

I understand your points and appreciate your thoughtful response. We have a different point of view. Personally I think the White Sox do not have strong opinion of what is played during games. I do not think Brooks has a personal vendetta against Nancy the way his predecessor pubically stated.

All we can go by is what is disclosed (little to nothing).

The one point which I will respectfully disagree with is the fact that a majority of even a large minority do not prefer the organ. This goes beyond the hundreds of responses here. The people in Milwaukee may be cheeseheads, but they are normal Americans just like White Sox fans or Yankee fans or Braves fans (well almost :wink: ).

I guess we have a different view of the limited information on the table. You think the White Sox are doing Nancy a favor by allowing her to gracefully leave and close down the organ booth - an organ booth which "most" White Sox fans either do not like or do not care about.

My opinion is the organ is one of the things the adds to the atmosphere at Comiskey, that generations have loved it and there is no widespread clamour to end this tradition by a wide range of once a year / casual fans (which by the way makes up a small % of tickets sold vs. season ticket holders and 10 - 20 game a year fans) or fans who attend many games. The lack of information in disclosing this move or defending it after years of publically stabbing Nancy in the back (Gallas) leads me to the conclusion this remains the top / down decision.

I think when given the opportunity fans will vote like Brewers fans if given a say. That is all I am asking for and I hope Brooks and his staff use this time (the 2006 season) to survey all the longtime and new season ticket holders (as well as the average fan in the stands) to determine whether this move to mostly canned music is something that many / most fans like or that this was a mistake and the club should restore the organ for 2007 after a quality search conducted with Nancy's input to hire the best replacement possible. I think fans would be happy with such a choice who would retain some of Nancy's traditions (Na Na Na Na - not the DJ staff's Bad Bad LeRoy Brown that was shot down and "canned" after one game replaced by a tape of Nancy's rendition of Na Na Na Na) and create some songs / traditions. The hire should interact with the public like Nancy so they can play requests and get instant feedback on what fans like and don't like.

ilsox7
05-03-2006, 06:32 PM
I understand your points and appreciate your thoughtful response. We have a different point of view. Personally I think the White Sox do not have strong opinion of what is played during games. I do not think Brooks has a personal vendetta against Nancy the way his predecessor pubically stated.


I feel the same way. Appreciate the responses and thought you've put into this. I think a lot of my viewpoint comes from being fairly cynical when it comes to society. I look around and see what type of "music" is popular and it baffles me. So in my mind, I don't think it's a stretch to think most folks want the canned crap.

And I totally agree the organ adds to the park and family atmosphere. You've done a great job gathering opinions and furthering the argument for the organ. My suggestion would be that as the "Core of the Core" to take this to the next level and really try to make some noise. I'm not sure how to do that, but with the amount of passion behind this issue, it can be done.

Any suggestions?

TornLabrum
05-03-2006, 06:35 PM
Brooks refused to answer any of Torn Labrum's questions regarding fan surveys the fans and no data has been presented so claims of "WSI is the minority and most fans want canned music" ring hollow and are as valid as the "voices in Hanger's head" remarks bashing his comments.

That is a mischaracterization of what i said. I contacted Brooks by email with a copy of the original artical and asked if he wanted to respond to any of it. He chose to respond to what was referred to above as "item B." He chose not to respond to any of the other portions of the article. He certainly did not refuse.

TornLabrum
05-03-2006, 06:37 PM
I agreed with most of what you put up there, but I have to say I don't know that you're really on base with this one. I agree about the constant bombardment of ads part, but I think judging by the size of the response whenever one of the cartoon races or any of the promotions between innings happens that people have come to accept that as part of the ballpark experience. I personally enjoy the diversion between innings of something stupid like seeing which of us can guess the pizza race or the attendance or any of that. We may bitch about them on here, but even the Chevy Pride crew and their t-shirts always gets a lot of attention. I think the fans want to entertained in an active way between innings, but would be much more inclined to more traditional entertainment (the organ) during the game itself.

I wonder if anyone has considered that "the constant bombardment of ads" is one reason we are able to have a $100,000,000 payroll this year....

TornLabrum
05-03-2006, 06:42 PM
This is basically my logic behind what I am saying. No one has given one good reason as to why Brooks or the Sox would act in direct opposition of what the fans have said. I do not think it can be said enough, but WSI is FAR from a representative sample of White Sox fans. Brooks has proved to be smart in many aspects of marketing. I just don't see any evidence as to why he'd take what the fans say and do the exact opposite. It makes no sense and NO ONE here has given one reason why he'd do this.

Until I see a logical reason why Brooks would take the data from the surveys and act explicitly against said data, I have trouble believing any arguments based on a random quote here or there.

Consider this: Last year we were able to put 225 butts in the stands for the first COTC party. This year, as of now (with more tickets still to be sent) the number is just over half that. I have no doubt that the Sox look at that when they consider how much to listen to WSI.

Ol' No. 2
05-03-2006, 06:44 PM
Here's another thing to consider. I would be willing the bet that the die-hard Nancy fans are also die-hard Sox fans, meaning they'll come to games whether she's there or not. They don't need Nancy to keep us coming to games. Is anyone here going to go to fewer games if Nancy retires completely?

But the more casual fan may feel very differently. I have a feeling that the NEW fans they're trying to attract to the park don't have the attachment to Nancy that we have and don't really care that much if she's there or not.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 06:46 PM
That is a mischaracterization of what i said. I contacted Brooks by email with a copy of the original artical and asked if he wanted to respond to any of it. He chose to respond to what was referred to above as "item B." He chose not to respond to any of the other portions of the article. He certainly did not refuse.

He chose not to respond
He declined to respond
He refused to respond

I don't see the difference. He did not want to address your questions regarding a fan survey or the loud noise. Choosing not to respond is the same as refusing to respond. One sounds more firm but it is the same.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 06:47 PM
Consider this: Last year we were able to put 225 butts in the stands for the first COTC party. This year, as of now (with more tickets still to be sent) the number is just over half that. I have no doubt that the Sox look at that when they consider how much to listen to WSI.

Well maybe the reason is there will be no Nancy for the Monday Night Game unlike last year's COTC. :D:

SSHM
Going to the Core to cheer Frank's return

TornLabrum
05-03-2006, 06:52 PM
He chose not to respond
He declined to respond
He refused to respond

I don't see the difference. He did not want to address your questions regarding a fan survey or the loud noise. Choosing not to respond is the same as refusing to respond. One sounds more firm but it is the same.

Refusing or declining to respond implies that a direct question was put to him on the subject. NO SUCH QUESTION WAS ASKED. That's the difference.

TornLabrum
05-03-2006, 06:53 PM
Well maybe the reason is there will be no Nancy for the Monday Night Game unlike last year's COTC. :D:

SSHM
Going to the Core to cheer Frank's return

I highly doubt that. We're the ones who will go to games, Nancy or no Nancy.:D:

SouthSide_HitMen
05-03-2006, 07:10 PM
Refusing or declining to respond implies that a direct question was put to him on the subject. NO SUCH QUESTION WAS ASKED. That's the difference.

OK - I agree after your clarification.

Your initial response (which I thanked you for) was:


A. Brooks chose not to address that issue.
B. Brooks and Nancy were responding to that.
C. Brooks chose not to respond to that.


It sounded like you may have asked him (verbally or via email) about your three concerns of which one was addressed. By clarifying what you did (send the first article with the request to respond to anything in it) we have a better picture of what you had to work with (about the same as what we've had to work with since you broke the story in January).

In any event, a fan survey was not addressed. However, I do hope that it will be considered and conducted during this season after all fans (die hards, full and partial season ticket holders, fans going to several games a year and once a year) have had a chance to experience life without Nancy / organ for 2/3 of the schedule. That is all we can ask for.

If the fans indicate they don't care or actually prefer no Nancy / organ or a once in a Blue Moon (Odom) Nancy / organ there is nothing more to say except I would expect better from White Sox fans and I am shocked Cheeseheads have more taste than fans of the best team in baseball.