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JoeClutch24
04-14-2006, 11:45 AM
Lets just say that Jenks can't hold up as the closer during the middle the season. I wouldn't mind seeing McCarthy come in close, kinda like the Jon Papelbon situation in Boston. I think that he could do a fine job in that role. Hey Eric Gagne was supposed to be a starter and look at him (if he could stay healthy).

DaleJRFan
04-14-2006, 11:52 AM
Lets just say that Jenks can't hold up as the closer during the middle the season. I wouldn't mind seeing McCarthy come in close, kinda like the Jon Papelbon situation in Boston. I think that he could do a fine job in that role. Hey Eric Gagne was supposed to be a starter and look at him (if he could stay healthy).

I think that all this would/could do is create another hole in the bullpen. Who pitches bridge innings? What happens if a starter goes down? If Jenks faulters, McCarthy isn't the answer. And I don't think Jenks will faulter. He'll be just fine.

Ol' No. 2
04-14-2006, 11:52 AM
Lets just say that Jenks can't hold up as the closer during the middle the season.Let's not.

TomBradley72
04-14-2006, 12:14 PM
I could see him being allowed to finish games...ie. comes in during the 7th/8th....allowed to wrap up. I don't know if Jenks will ever be effective back to back nights with the drop off in his speed....so having alternatives when Jenks pitched the day before is a good idea.

Frater Perdurabo
04-14-2006, 12:18 PM
McCarthy is PERFECT for the role in which the Sox have him right now. He can start the sixth inning and pitch three innings if needed. He could come in to relieve the starter in the seventh and close out a game if necessary.

A "long reliever" doesn't have to be reserved for those times when the starter only goes two or three innings. The Sox have the luxury of having starters who very rarely get chased in the first five innings, and who, on average, pitch 6.2 innings before being relieved.

Therefore, McCarthy is an even more dangerous weapon because unlike the "mopping up" that many long relievers perform, McCarthy can come in an dominate an opposing lineup for two or three innings. He's good enough to be a starter on any MLB team. He's good enough to be a stater here, except that the Sox have five who are as good or better and have more MLB experience!

The only way McCarthy should ever "close" would be if he's pitching the ninth after pitching the seventh and eighth, too.

The Sox are in good shape in the pen now that their starters have proven they can be counted on to pitch deep into games. The bullpen is better as a result.

The Tigers' radio announcers remarked just how much better Thornton's control is now - after less than a month with Don Cooper - than when the Tigers faced him in Seattle in 2004 and 2005. They seriously were concerned about the Sox now having a lefty who can throw 97 MPH heat and who struck out two Tigers' batters in one inning of work. Additionally, according to the Tigers' announcers, two of the three hits he gave up were "flukes" that on any other day would have been outs.

Can you guys imagine if Coop really harnesses Thornton's ability as he has done with Jenks? The Sox would have both a lefty and a righty who can throw high-90s heat!
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The bottom line is that the Sox have no reason to move McCarthy into the "closer's role." They have no reason to have him do anything other than what he's doing right now.

TomBradley72
04-14-2006, 12:21 PM
The Tigers' radio announcers remarked just how much better Thornton's control is now - after less than a month with Don Cooper - than when the Tigers faced him in Seattle in 2004 and 2005. They seriously were concerned about the Sox now having a lefty who can throw 97 MPH heat and who struck out two Tigers' batters in one inning of work. Additionally, according to the Tigers' announcers, two of the three hits he gave up were "flukes" that on any other day would have been outs.

Can you guys imagine if Coop really harnesses Thornton's ability as he has done with Jenks? The Sox would have both a lefty and a righty who can throw high-90s heat!

Time for the Coop = Chuck Norris thread!

Uncle_Patrick
04-14-2006, 12:27 PM
I think Jenks is going to be fine. It amazes that with the Sox have played 9 games, Jenks has 3 saves and no blown opportunities, and people are ready to replace him anyway. Yes, ok, Wednesday's game was close, but let's consider the conditions (raining, Anderson flubs a play and then Jenks gives up the long ball to one of the game's hottest hitters right now). I'm more worried about the performance of Garland than Jenks.

Randar68
04-14-2006, 12:36 PM
If Jenks falters I think there are about 4 other possibilities that are realistic before you even consider using McCarthy:

1) Cotts
2) Thornton
3) Tracey
4) Lumsden

viagracat
04-14-2006, 12:40 PM
I think Jenks is going to be fine. It amazes that with the Sox have played 9 games, Jenks has 3 saves and no blown opportunities, and people are ready to replace him anyway. Yes, ok, Wednesday's game was close, but let's consider the conditions (raining, Anderson flubs a play and then Jenks gives up the long ball to one of the game's hottest hitters right now). I'm more worried about the performance of Garland than Jenks.

Absolutely agree. Power pitchers can get a little wild at times, but that goes with the territory. That walk that is given up is often immediately followed by a punchout where the batter had absolutely no chance. Yeah, Jenks can sometimes make me nervous, but he hasn't done anything yet to truly piss me off.

Mc Carthy is good for eating up innings and can be used after the sixth if the starter hits 100 pitches or otherwise is having a mediocre day at the office whether the Sox are winning or not (not just mopping up). You save the rest of the 'pen that way. And the odds are against the entire rotation staying intact the whole season; chances are at least one of them will get hurt or not get it the job done at some point. Then he becomes your 5th starter. Don't mess that up by making him a closer.

AnkleSox
04-14-2006, 01:00 PM
The fact that this is probably the Sox' biggest problem right now makes me feel real good.

gobears1987
04-14-2006, 01:02 PM
Jenks will be fine. SHelton is the guy who hit the homer. Shelton has been hitting EVERYONE. He is the hottest guy in baseball.

santo=dorf
04-14-2006, 03:04 PM
I like B.Mac in the "Scot Shields" role.

Jurr
04-14-2006, 11:15 PM
I now hear that McCarthy's going to be a setup man now that Politte had a bad outing. There's also talk of him (on his non-setup days, of course) taking over for Garland, who has also struggled in his two starts.

Should Pods be looking over his shoulder, as well?

oeo
04-14-2006, 11:18 PM
I now hear that McCarthy's going to be a setup man now that Politte had a bad outing. There's also talk of him (on his non-setup days, of course) taking over for Garland, who has also struggled in his two starts.

Should Pods be looking over his shoulder, as well?
Politte is yet to have a good outing...the opposition has been serving up everything he's thrown.

As for McCarthy as closer...no way. First, Jenks will be fine; second, we need his arm for long relief, not one inning. He's much too valuable to put in the closers spot, IMHO.

billyvsox
04-14-2006, 11:23 PM
My concerns about B-Mac being a closer or even having great sucess in the bullpen, is that Kenny and Ozzie will think he is too valuable in the pen to become a starter.

I believe like many,many, many scouts and experts that he is ready to be a DOMINANT starter, and the more he is used in the bullpen the farther away he will get from that. (See Neal Cotts as an example)

I also believe he will not be happy in the pen and this may come back to haunt us.

I dont wish injury on anyone...but I would much rather see him in the rotation NOW.

EndemicSox
04-14-2006, 11:38 PM
I want this kid groomed as a starter. Don't screw him up with every day/other day relief work.

Daver
04-14-2006, 11:42 PM
Umm no.

Next.

JUribe1989
04-15-2006, 12:37 AM
No

soxinem1
04-16-2006, 08:54 AM
I think Jenks is going to be fine. It amazes that with the Sox have played 9 games, Jenks has 3 saves and no blown opportunities, and people are ready to replace him anyway. Yes, ok, Wednesday's game was close, but let's consider the conditions (raining, Anderson flubs a play and then Jenks gives up the long ball to one of the game's hottest hitters right now). I'm more worried about the performance of Garland than Jenks.

I agree, Garland has been pitching BP and McCarthy has been attacking the hitters dead on. While Bobby hasn't been all that dominent yet, he's getting the job done. He looked tough against Totonto yetserday, they were off on all their swings against him except the single on the hanging curve.

I have been tough on Jenks since he showed up for ST, but he's been getting the outs when he needs them.

Tragg
04-16-2006, 10:30 AM
McCarthy is PERFECT for the role in which the Sox have him right now. He can start the sixth inning and pitch three innings if needed. He could come in to relieve the starter in the seventh and close out a game if necessary.
Exactly....and that prepares him up for his future endeavor.....stud starter next year and beyond.

StockdaleForVeep
04-16-2006, 02:42 PM
Lets just say that Jenks can't hold up as the closer during the middle the season. I wouldn't mind seeing McCarthy come in close, kinda like the Jon Papelbon situation in Boston. I think that he could do a fine job in that role. Hey Eric Gagne was supposed to be a starter and look at him (if he could stay healthy).
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