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LuvSox
04-12-2006, 11:09 PM
You're going to laugh.

Have at it:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0604/gallery.1-2punch/content.1.html

DVsoxfan
04-12-2006, 11:11 PM
What a joke

MUsoxfan
04-12-2006, 11:15 PM
If by "laugh" you mean "stare at the screen utterly baffled", then you're correct:?::?::?:

Vernam
04-12-2006, 11:19 PM
It's a spoof, right? With the first few (Halladay, Burnett, Prior), proximity to the DL seemed to be a criterion. Then it got even kookier . . .

Maybe they just couldn't pick from among our five? :?:

Vernam

RealMenWearBlack
04-12-2006, 11:23 PM
Here's my top five
1. Buehrle/Garcia
2. Garcia/Contreras
3. Contreras/Garland
4. Garland/Vazquez
5. Vazquez/Buehrle

0o0o0
04-12-2006, 11:24 PM
wow the angels take the cake (no pun intended) for the hardest combo to look at

PAPChiSox729
04-12-2006, 11:27 PM
How could you ever rank Beckett/Schilling above Oswalt/ Pettitte? Hahaha. Heck, I would take Santana and Radke over the BoSox duo.

Blueprint1
04-12-2006, 11:36 PM
What about Martinez and Glavine. Maybe if it was 1999.

itsnotrequired
04-12-2006, 11:36 PM
How could you ever rank Beckett/Schilling above Oswalt/ Pettitte? Hahaha. Heck, I would take Santana and Radke over the BoSox duo.
Maybe they are talking about 2001 Schilling?:?:

Overall, the "combos" are pretty good but what's the point of a great 1-2 if 3-5 are total trash? I'd rather take a solid 5. Are there any teams out there with a lineup of 5 solid starters?

Corlose 15
04-12-2006, 11:37 PM
How could you ever rank Beckett/Schilling above Oswalt/ Pettitte? Hahaha. Heck, I would take Santana and Radke over the BoSox duo.

Uh, they pitch for the Red Sox. Isn't it obvious?:rolleyes:

DSpivack
04-12-2006, 11:42 PM
Maybe they are talking about 2001 Schilling?:?:

Overall, the "combos" are pretty good but what's the point of a great 1-2 if 3-5 are total trash? I'd rather take a solid 5. Are there any teams out there with a lineup of 5 solid starters?

We don't have 5, we have 6.

And how do you pick one combo out of 6? These other teams have only a 1-2 combination.

MUsoxfan
04-12-2006, 11:48 PM
Pitchers that shouldn't be near this list:

Burnett
Prior
Lackey
Smoltz (this isn't 1996)

Hitmen77
04-12-2006, 11:54 PM
The fact that Buehrle and Contreras aren't even on this list at all is a total joke.

chaerulez
04-12-2006, 11:55 PM
Pitchers that shouldn't be near this list:

Burnett
Prior
Lackey
Smoltz (this isn't 1996)

While I agree with with you on the first team names (this isn't "who is the best pitcher on the DL" or "let's praise a guy who should be a #3 starter at best") but John Smoltz is still a legit starter in the league that would be the ace for many teams. Just last year he went 14-7 with a 3.06 ERA. While he isn't doing so good at the start of this season, I think he has at least a couple more years left until he's not effective.

michned
04-13-2006, 12:08 AM
wow the angels take the cake (no pun intended) for the hardest combo to look at
:rolling:

And Lackey always reminded me of Peter Brady.

MUsoxfan
04-13-2006, 12:09 AM
While I agree with with you on the first team names (this isn't "who is the best pitcher on the DL" or "let's praise a guy who should be a #3 starter at best") but John Smoltz is still a legit starter in the league that would be the ace for many teams. Just last year he went 14-7 with a 3.06 ERA. While he isn't doing so good at the start of this season, I think he has at least a couple more years left until he's not effective.

He's a fine pitcher. I'm interested to see what he and the rest of the Braves can do without Mazzone. These boys have been lit up like a Christmas tree.

Hudson is 0-1 in two starts with a 12.38 ERA (3.52 in 27 games '05)
Smoltz is 0-1 in two starts with a 6.75 ERA (3.27 career)
Sosa is 0-2 in two starts with a 12+ ERA (2.55 in 20 starts '05)



I really don't think the Braves could have that solid 1-2 punch anymore w/o Mazzone

NDSox12
04-13-2006, 12:11 AM
Did somebody actually get paid to put that list together? That's funny stuff.

RealMenWearBlack
04-13-2006, 12:34 AM
So none of the four starters who pitched consecutive complete games in the ALCS is even considered for this list? This must be the non-champions list.

ChiSoxRowand
04-13-2006, 12:45 AM
I love how in the photo they have of Burnett he's wearing a Dundein Blue Jays hat.:D:

lumpyspun
04-13-2006, 10:50 AM
I noticed that whatever experts at SI that put that together didn't want their names associated with it. I looked for some names so I can email them and ask for their resignation, but couldn't find a name anywhere.

DSpivack
04-13-2006, 11:15 AM
I think they are basing these rankings on simulated wins.

Iwritecode
04-13-2006, 11:28 AM
The problem is that the Sox don't have any big "name" pitcher or Cy Young award winners. Just 5 solid guys that pitch 200 innings a year and get the job done without a lot of fanfare or hype.

That said, I love some of the descriptions that give on the right side.

Zambrano/Prior: "With Kerry Wood often hurt, the title of co-ace falls to the durable Zambrano, who has compiled at least 200 innings in three consecutive seasons."

Great. What about the other pitcher that's always hurt? Did they just pick him because they read in the Cubune that he's supposed to be really good?

Johnson/Mussina: "These two won't be lacking run support with the lineup the Yankees have."

What does run support have to do with how well they pitch?

Oswalt/Pettite: "Oswalt is 4-0 in seven career postseason starts while Pettitte is 14-9 in 34 playoff outings."

Yet both were Ofer in the 2005 World Series. :D:

FedEx227
04-13-2006, 11:49 AM
Wow what a joke...

the only thing John Lackey/Bartolo Colon strike fear in is fast-food resturants.

and Randy Johnson and Mussina?!!? When did it become 1997?

SoxSpeed22
04-13-2006, 11:56 AM
As much of a slap in the face as this is, we'll see who's holding up the trophies at the end.

DaleJRFan
04-13-2006, 12:05 PM
There is a simple explanation to all of this...

This story is about pairs. There is room on the page for TWO photos. The Sox have FIVE aces.

MrRoboto83
04-13-2006, 12:06 PM
How could you ever rank Beckett/Schilling above Oswalt/ Pettitte? Hahaha. Heck, I would take Santana and Radke over the BoSox duo.

I would take Santana and Radke over 1/2 of that list. Looks like they are ignoring the best pitching division in baseball, I'm surprised no Indians combo on there as well. I would take Westbrook/Lee over even Zito/Harden.

Taliesinrk
04-13-2006, 12:09 PM
The great quote was about Zambrano having 3 straight 200 inning seasons. *****. We should have all 5 guys put up 200 innings this seasons.

That was unreal. I kept thinking; how am I going to laugh through like the first 5? The Sox are in the top 5, they should be 1-3 in my book, but at least they're top 5... then i kept going and hit about #3 when I realized they may not be in there at all. I can't believe that.

BigHurt35
04-13-2006, 08:51 PM
No mention of Buehrle and Contreras, yet AJ Burnett made the list.

Where should those two fit on the list. My guess is that by the next year it might be Vazquez and McCarthy that are getting the shaft from CNN.

itsnotrequired
04-13-2006, 08:52 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69381

SBSoxFan
04-14-2006, 09:21 AM
I noticed that whatever experts at SI that put that together didn't want their names associated with it. I looked for some names so I can email them and ask for their resignation, but couldn't find a name anywhere.

I couldn't find any names either, so I emailed John Donovan.

RedHeadPaleHoser
04-14-2006, 09:34 AM
There is a simple explanation to all of this...

This story is about pairs. There is room on the page for TWO photos. The Sox have FIVE aces.

Agree 1000%. Well put.

bigsoxfan420
04-14-2006, 09:36 AM
What a joke. Why would Prior even be on any list. Clemens might as well have been on the list, oh wait he's not playing this year (yet. another joke imo). And how does Zambrano even get close to this list. Co-Aces *** is that about.

Pulaski
04-15-2006, 10:56 PM
I saw this on CNN.Com and thougnt it was a joke. The White Sox were not listed in the Top 10 Pitching Combos; however, Zambrano and Prior were listed. Come on..........Prior is not even playing.

10. Roy Halladay and A.J. Burnett
9. Carlos Zambrano and Mark Prior
8. Randy Johnson and Mike Mussina
7. Mark Mulder and Chris Carpenter
6. John Lackey and Bartolo Colon
5. Pedro Martinez and Tom Glavine
4. Tim Hudson and John Smoltz
3. Andy Pettitte and Roy Oswalt
2. Barry Zito and Rich Harden
1. Josh Beckett and Curt Schilling

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0604/gallery.1-2punch/content.1.html?cnn=yes

PAPChiSox729
04-15-2006, 11:11 PM
We all finished vomiting a few days ago.

Link (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69381)

rightsox
04-15-2006, 11:11 PM
I saw this too. I was going to post here about it, but I was so mad that I realized it was time to go do something else for a while. Pick any two Sox starters, and they're better than at least 6 of those pairs. There's absolutely nobody on there I'd even consider the remotest possiblity of trading Buehrle and Garcia for.

Having Pettite and Oswalt on there and with Sox pitchers was absurd. That's honestly the stupidest thing I've ever read on CNNSI. Whoever put that together should seriously consider seeing a doctor to get their head removed from their arse.

rightsox
04-15-2006, 11:12 PM
We all finished vomiting a few days ago.

Link (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69381)

Ha! I looked for this to blow off some steam, but couldn't find it...