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Reni
04-10-2006, 08:44 PM
Have any of you seen photos or footage? Curious to think what you all think of it.....

As a Cardinals fan from birth, and going to old Busch since I was a wee baby, watching the old one go was very emotional. I watched the new one go up slowly and drove past it all the time when I still lived in STL. I was pretty grumpy about it. But from all reports and watching the game today, it looks pretty nice!

Your thoughts?

:smile:

robertks61
04-10-2006, 08:56 PM
Go to www.ballparksofbaseball.com (http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com) several nice pics from the exibition game last week.

It's a beautiful park, looks like they did it right.

CLR01
04-10-2006, 09:08 PM
I have some pics from the open house they did on Saturday. I will post them when I get the time.

viagracat
04-10-2006, 09:10 PM
Looks real nice. An improvement over the old Busch, which I've been to.

CLR01
04-10-2006, 09:12 PM
Looks real nice. An improvement over the old Busch, which I've been to.


A refrigerator box is an upgrade over the old Busch.

TheKittle
04-10-2006, 09:45 PM
It does look great from pictures. But I've been to a couple ballparks that looked great in pics and are terrible, POS, places. One is filled with drunk idiots during day games. Another is named after a pet store.

JohnBasedowYoda
04-10-2006, 09:47 PM
http://www.kmov.com/images/slideshow/060410_stadiumtour/images/DSC00633.jpg

A build-a-bear in a damn ballpark? And they made fun of the Cell when it first opened, calling it a "ballmall." Disgusting

LongLiveFisk
04-10-2006, 09:54 PM
Not to mention it's a BAD idea anyway. It should have been BUILD-A-CARDINAL. Now you are going to have all these Flub fans building bears and calling them their little cubbies.

JimEdmonds15
04-10-2006, 10:08 PM
Yea and that's the most popular place in the Stadium so I dont see the big deal.. it'll be a success for a bit :redneck

viagracat
04-10-2006, 10:34 PM
http://www.kmov.com/images/slideshow/060410_stadiumtour/images/DSC00633.jpg

A build-a-bear in a damn ballpark? And they made fun of the Cell when it first opened, calling it a "ballmall." Disgusting

Damn, whatever happened to going to the ballpark to see the game?

CLR01
04-10-2006, 10:46 PM
Not to mention it's a BAD idea anyway. It should have been BUILD-A-CARDINAL. Now you are going to have all these Flub fans building bears and calling them their little cubbies.


You are building Fredbird their mascot. I didn't stop to check the place out so I have no idea if you can build anything else. It didn't look like it though.

jerrykrause4pres
04-10-2006, 11:00 PM
How many seats does the stadium hold? Looks enormous...and the arch in the backgroud---great view!

CLR01
04-10-2006, 11:28 PM
How many seats does the stadium hold? Looks enormous...and the arch in the backgroud---great view!


Today's attendance was 41,936 w/SRO

Jjav829
04-10-2006, 11:35 PM
The stadium looks nice on TV. The ball seems to really fly out of there. Bill Hall's home run did not look like a home run off the bat. Mark Mulder even managed to hit a home run today.

tick53
04-10-2006, 11:43 PM
Nice facility..It looks like the view of the field will be good from where ever
you sit

cbotnyse
04-11-2006, 12:03 AM
found some nice pictures

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/flas...lleryId=2403785 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/flash/zoomGallery?section=gen&photoGalleryId=2403785)

Reni
04-11-2006, 12:24 AM
Build-A-Bear is a STL based company which is likely why they got in there.....though, I agree it's pretty stupid.....

and hey don't be dissin' old Busch.....I grew up there.....regardless of it's flaws, it's home to me. :)

CLR01
04-11-2006, 12:26 AM
pictures up



http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=4

Reni
04-11-2006, 12:32 AM
thanks for posting your pics!! I love the skyline in the back.....oh, I am homesick now! :redface:

CLR01
04-11-2006, 12:38 AM
thanks for posting your pics!! I love the skyline in the back.....oh, I am homesick now! :redface:


Why the skyline you get to see now is much better. It pisses me off that the swing hanging from the Arch in that commercial isn't really there....:angry:

DeadMoney
04-11-2006, 12:56 AM
Today's attendance was 41,936 w/SRO

Weren't portions of the Upper Deck still closed? I'm not sure, but several of the ESPN highlights seemed to suggest this.

CLR01
04-11-2006, 01:02 AM
Weren't portions of the Upper Deck still closed? I'm not sure, but several of the ESPN highlights seemed to suggest this.



You're right I forgot about the construction. When it is finished it will seat just under 47,000

DeadMoney
04-11-2006, 01:04 AM
I'll answer my own question after looking at some of the pictures from ESPN...
- The far LF Upper Deck is still awaiting seats, and still closed.
- Capacity is 46,861 (from an ESPN picture).

DeadMoney
04-11-2006, 01:05 AM
You're right I forgot about the construction. When it is finished it will seat just under 47,000

Beat me to it...:cool:

Nellie_Fox
04-11-2006, 01:05 AM
They've got to stop building all these bandbox, launching pad ballparks. Yeah, yeah, I know, chicks dig the long ball.

Let's see some real throwback ballparks. How about 480-505 to straight-away center like the Polo Grounds (they moved the fences around a bit)? Hit one over the center fielder's head and run forever. Of course, you could hit a checked swing out down the lines, but that's another story (less than 300 feet down both lines.)

How about dimensions like old Comiskey, without the center-field bullpen? Depending on the year, 430-450 to center, 350-360 down the lines.

doublem23
04-11-2006, 01:21 AM
It's a nice park. The outside is real good, the inside looks like just about every other park that's been built in the last 5 years.

I agree with Nellie, this park is like 330-400-330.... Kind of small. Not the Juicebox in Houston, but still not very big either.

SouthSide_HitMen
04-11-2006, 02:30 AM
They've got to stop building all these bandbox, launching pad ballparks. Yeah, yeah, I know, chicks dig the long ball.

Let's see some real throwback ballparks. How about 480-505 to straight-away center like the Polo Grounds (they moved the fences around a bit)? Hit one over the center fielder's head and run forever. Of course, you could hit a checked swing out down the lines, but that's another story (less than 300 feet down both lines.)

How about dimensions like old Comiskey, without the center-field bullpen? Depending on the year, 430-450 to center, 350-360 down the lines.

The new Shea Stadium will be the closest you'll ever see to the dimensions you are looking for. Petco suppresses home runs as much by the heavy sea air (same as RFK). I love pitchers parks which is why I loved Comiskey Park.

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nym/ballpark/newpark_overview.jsp

Pitcher Friendly: Pitcher Friendly: Distinctive asymmetrical outfield walls, along with generous dimensions (LF - 335'; LC - 379'; CF - 408'; RC - 391'; RF - 300') make for a traditional pitcher's park.

The park will not face in the same direction as Shea but will probably (hopefully) be a pitchers park like Shea.

Per the Bill James Ball Park Indices in his 2006 guide, Jacobs Field (76), the newly configured (2004) Royals Stadium (73) and Petco (66!) were tougher places to hit home runs (Dolphins Stadium had the same 84 rating). 84 means it was 16% tougher to hit a home run at Shea vs. a neutral park (Safeco rated 100).

When the new Busch was built, they estimated the park would have the same effect on home runs as the old Busch (90 - a pitchers park). It will take a few years of stats to determine if this is a correct assessment.

This Bud's for you Busch Stadium workers!

Baby Fisk
04-11-2006, 09:28 AM
Too bad the bullseye pitcher's mound didn't make the final cut.

Cat Thief
04-11-2006, 09:38 AM
I'm going to be there this Friday night. Can't wait to check it out but I am upset about giving away my Sox tickets. :whiner:

IspepAloc
04-11-2006, 10:29 AM
I really love the skyline in the outfield (I'm a sucker for skylines). Wish they could just turn US Cellular field to face downtown Chicago.

PaleHoseGeorge
04-11-2006, 10:57 AM
Nice scoreboard. Very original. I think I've seen one just like it inside every new ballpark built the last ten years.
:rolleyes:

Have I mentioned recently what a complete embarrassment the current insipid Sox Park scoreboard is to the glorious legacy Bill Veeck left for the Chicago White Sox franchise when he created the very first MONSTER SCOREBOARD -- complete with fireworks, flashing lights, and sound effects -- all the way back in 1960?

How much longer must we wait for the Sox to reclaim their rightful spot as having the most OUTRAGEOUS scoreboard of any professional sports team?
:mad:

They need to quadruple the size of the Sox Park scoreboard, and I won't be satisfied until the pinwheels really spin and the rocket launchers really launch roman candles with a recoil like a piece of howitzer field artillery.

Now that would be a Sox Park scoreboard worthy of the name.
:cool:

Baby Fisk
04-11-2006, 11:03 AM
Have I mentioned recently what a complete embarrassment the current insipid Sox Park scoreboard is to the glorious legacy Bill Veeck left for the Chicago White Sox franchise when he created the very first MONSTER SCOREBOARD -- complete with fireworks, flashing lights, and sound effects -- all the way back in 1960?

How much longer must we wait for the Sox to reclaim their rightful spot as having the most OUTRAGEOUS scoreboard of any professional sports team?
:mad:

They need to quadruple the size of the Sox Park scoreboard, and I won't be satisfied until the pinwheels really spin and the rocket launchers really launch roman candles with a recoil like a piece of howitzer field artillery.

Now that would be a Sox Park scoreboard worthy of the name.
:cool:
I have to agree with this. Yesterday I was looking at some photos taken at the Cell last October. The scoreboard stuck out for two reasons:

- the pinwheels are glorious, but have been relegated to an aesthetic prop
- "scoreboard" is a misnomer: that thing is just a glorified billboard/video display

I don't think it's possible to widen the scoreboard because of the structures on either side, so the only way to go is UP!

PaleHoseGeorge
04-11-2006, 11:31 AM
I don't think it's possible to widen the scoreboard because of the structures on either side, so the only way to go is UP!

I'm quite certain the scaffold-like structures on either side of the current insipid scoreboard are not structural, and could easily be removed to accommodate both a taller and wider Sox Park scoreboard worthy of the name.

The top of the new Sox Park scoreboard should be at least as tall as the roof of the upper deck. That mother needs to be soooo big, nobody would dare try to build one bigger for at least 20 years. And even if they did, the Sox would just add a few feet to the top... just like Michigan does to their football stadium everytime Tennessee adds seats.
:thumbsup:

Frater Perdurabo
04-11-2006, 11:37 AM
They need to quadruple the size of the Sox Park scoreboard, and I won't be satisfied until the pinwheels really spin and the rocket launchers really launch roman candles with a recoil like a piece of howitzer field artillery.

Now that would be a Sox Park scoreboard worthy of the name.
:cool:
I agree. I'm all for going all out with what you recommend, George! :redneck

But I'm willing to go three steps further to the point of lunatic and comic brutality. If it wasn't for Midway Airport's proximity and the need to comply with certain FAA safety regulations, visually I'd want to add green, red, blue and orange lasers, beacons, holograms and spot lights.

Moreover, whenever a Sox game is being played or KW is set to announce a big trade or signing, I want the Sox logo projected onto a cloud to summon fans or the media to the park, much like how the Batman logo is projected into the sky. I want train horns and air raid sirens to sound when a Sox player hits a homer. After a Sox grand slam, I want the Cell to resemble the concave turbolaser firing device from the Death Star, where multiple beams from separate points atop the roof and light towers converage to project a massive beam straight up into the atmosphere. If it can't be seen from the ground in Kendall County, Kankakee or Kenosha, or from the International Space Station, or if it cannot make children under age eight cower in fear, or occasionally cause vision or hearing loss, or require warnings for people with heart conditions to be printed on each ticket, what good is it?
:tongue:

Frater Perdurabo
04-11-2006, 11:41 AM
That mother needs to be soooo big, nobody would dare try to build one bigger for at least 20 years. And even if they did, the Sox would just add a few feet to the top... just like Michigan does to their football stadium everytime Tennessee adds seats.
:thumbsup:

The new Sox scoreboard you are proposing could be built to automatically expand at the touch of a button, deploying additional video panels as needed.
:redneck

skobabe8
04-11-2006, 11:58 AM
This thread has been severely hijacked!

Did anyone see the highlights of Mulders hr on sportscenter? Joe buck was more excited for that hr than any during the postseason. No teal.

PaleHoseGeorge
04-11-2006, 12:59 PM
The new Sox scoreboard you are proposing could be built to automatically expand at the touch of a button, deploying additional video panels as needed.


I like the way you think!

:thumbsup:

TheOldRoman
04-11-2006, 01:10 PM
I'm quite certain the scaffold-like structures on either side of the current insipid scoreboard are not structural, and could easily be removed to accommodate both a taller and wider Sox Park scoreboard worthy of the name.

The top of the new Sox Park scoreboard should be at least as tall as the roof of the upper deck. That mother needs to be soooo big, nobody would dare try to build one bigger for at least 20 years. And even if they did, the Sox would just add a few feet to the top... just like Michigan does to their football stadium everytime Tennessee adds seats.
:thumbsup:

:worship::worship:

I agree. They need to make the scoreboard much much bigger. They can toss the scoreboard to the left and the out of town board to the right and replace them with more ads for all I care. I want a monster scoreboard that would make Veeck blush. I want the full game scoreboard, complete with both team's lineups, pitch speeds, players warming in the bullpen, out of town scoreboard, AND a video board THREE TIMES the size of the current one. I want a board so big is casts a shadow over the Ryan! If possible, I would like for a giftshop and/or supermarket to be located within the scoreboard. I would totally shop there.

Baby Fisk
04-11-2006, 01:14 PM
Still on the subject of a "taller" scoreboard, what about asking the folks at Guinness to foot the entire bill for a gigantic new scoreboard shaped like a pint of Guinness. It would easily fit all of the game data and more, and be the first pint of Guinness visible from space!

TheKittle
04-11-2006, 03:35 PM
I really love the skyline in the outfield (I'm a sucker for skylines). Wish they could just turn US Cellular field to face downtown Chicago.

I'm like you, I like seeing the skyline. I've always thought the dump Dodger Stadium should be turned around to face downtown LA. Now it just faces some weed infested hills.

DSpivack
04-11-2006, 04:33 PM
It's a nice park. The outside is real good, the inside looks like just about every other park that's been built in the last 5 years.

I agree with Nellie, this park is like 330-400-330.... Kind of small. Not the Juicebox in Houston, but still not very big either.

I thought I read somewhere that Busch Stadium III's dimensions were pretty much exactly like that of II.

roylestillman
04-11-2006, 04:54 PM
I'm rehijacking

Regarding the current scoreboard:

1. If we make it any bigger the Opening Day fighter jet flyover will definitely hit it.

2. The pinwheels never really spun, and were added during the second Veeck reign. The mortars did actually shoot off Roman candle like charges in the old park's 60's era board. I miss the tilt they used to have.

3. Put the analog clock back in the circle above the board.

skobabe8
04-11-2006, 06:03 PM
This thread has been severely hijacked!

Did anyone see the highlights of Mulders hr on sportscenter? Joe buck was more excited for that hr than any during the postseason. No teal.

Hey, If ya can't beat 'em.....

Make the scoreboard bigger! Knock out the two billboards on either side, expand the scoreboard, and interpret those ads on the newer, larger scoreboard.

Viva Medias B's
07-19-2006, 07:31 PM
Note to Readers: Since I just returned from my two-day trip to St. Louis, I figured I should post my own thoughts about the new Busch Stadium here instead of starting a new thread on the same subject.

One of the things I like best about the new Busch Stadium is that you can post cell phone text messages on the scoreboard and LED ribbon boards before and during the game. So, I posted "Let's Go-Go-Go White Sox!" which appeared several times thoughout the game.

:redneck

I went to Monday and Tuesday's games at the new Busch Stadium, in which Atlanta outscored the Cardinals 29-8. The most obvious feature of the new ballpark is the outfield backdrop which includes Gateway Arch, the Old Courthouse, and the rest of the St. Louis skyline. I was able to take a tour of Busch Stadium yesterday morning which includes a neat skybox party area in the right field corner, the Redbird Club in the upper deck behind home plate, the TV broadcast booth, the Cardinal Club restaurant which our United Scout Seats is copied from, and the Cardinals dugout. One interesting fact about the ballpark is that it's architecture is based on the surrounding buildings and the Eads Bridge in St. Louis.