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JoeClutch24
04-05-2006, 07:01 PM
When Konerko struck out to Mota he said "great pitch there by Mota and Martinez." I thought that was pretty cool, I am a catcher and in my opinion catchers don't get the respect they deserve. So I just thought that it was cool that Hawk would mention something like that.

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 07:26 PM
I humbly disagree. I think anyone who knows anything about baseball, softball, etc., understands just how valuable the catcher is. I caught on my high school softball team and some other 16" slow-pitch teams, and you should take pride in playing your position tough.

And if you are looking for an example of catchers getting respect, look at AJ. I guarantee you that after last year's playoffs, NOBODY will ever again treat him disrespectfully!

Brian26
04-05-2006, 07:50 PM
I humbly disagree. I think anyone who knows anything about baseball, softball, etc., understands just how valuable the catcher is.

I don't think you should disagree with JoeClutch...you are both correct. The problem is that most people don't know anything about baseball and don't give proper credit to the guys calling pitches (whether its the catcher or the pitching coach or the manager or the backup catcher on the bench (like Sandy Alomar did here for awhile)).

In other news, I found out from the astute people sitting behind me today that Harold Baines coaches thirdbase now.

TornLabrum
04-05-2006, 09:44 PM
I don't think you should disagree with JoeClutch...you are both correct. The problem is that most people don't know anything about baseball and don't give proper credit to the guys calling pitches (whether its the catcher or the pitching coach or the manager or the backup catcher on the bench (like Sandy Alomar did here for awhile)).

In other news, I found out from the astute people sitting behind me today that Harold Baines coaches thirdbase now.

I read that somewhere in a thread here, I think, too. Harold sure got smaller over the winter!

miker
04-06-2006, 12:47 PM
The problem is that most people don't know anything about baseball...
And many of these people get jobs as sportswriters!

viagracat
04-06-2006, 12:59 PM
Lots of former catchers become managers (Torre, Girardi, etc) because they know the game probably better than any other position. Good catchers, in addition to calling the right pitches and locations, know how to pull in an outside pitch to maybe get a strike call, schmooze umpires, settle down pissed-off or nervous pitchers, know the tendencies of baserunners, and so on. Not only that, they also have to run down fouls, throw out base stealers with throws as strong and accurate as many pitchers, get drilled at the plate, handle fancy pitches with a bat swinging inches from their faces, etc. Real baseball fans know the catcher is the most important position out there. And to think the catcher's gear was once referred to as the "tools of ignorance".

doublem23
04-06-2006, 01:14 PM
I think Hawk was mostly referring to the fact that Martinez really pulled that ball in. If I'm remembering the correct at bat, it was an 0-2 pitch that was off the outside corner, but Victor did a nice job of framing it and getting Walnuts down on strikes. Shouldn't have been a K, but it was a good job.

Madvora
04-06-2006, 01:30 PM
I humbly disagree. I think anyone who knows anything about baseball, softball, etc., understands just how valuable the catcher is. I caught on my high school softball team and some other 16" slow-pitch teams, and you should take pride in playing your position tough.

And if you are looking for an example of catchers getting respect, look at AJ. I guarantee you that after last year's playoffs, NOBODY will ever again treat him disrespectfully!
Can you explain what a catcher does in slow pitch softball? Or even fast pitch softball. (please don't think I meant that sarcastically, but I guess I'm unaware of anything besides throwing the ball back to the pitcher.)

SweetnesSox
04-06-2006, 02:25 PM
When Konerko struck out to Mota he said "great pitch there by Mota and Martinez." I thought that was pretty cool, I am a catcher and in my opinion catchers don't get the respect they deserve. So I just thought that it was cool that Hawk would mention something like that.


i used to pitch and the catcher makes a HUGE difference. It makes you feel really comfortable when you have a catcher you trust. It's annoying to have to shrug him off three dozen times per game.

ondafarm
04-06-2006, 03:27 PM
Being a catcher just has a huge other level of involvement in the game than any other position. You hit so you have to follow that, but then every pitch that your pitcher throws you have called and hopefully will catch. You are also really the captain of the infield, you are supposed to be thinking about every possibility, you are also supposed to manage the pitcher. You've got to know which pitchers you can baby and which ones you have to yell at (and which require both.) Catching is typically the last position to develop well in an expansion franchise.

I thought Hawk's remark though was a snide way of saying the pitch was outside but framed by Martinez.

Man Soo Lee
04-06-2006, 03:41 PM
I thought Hawk's remark though was a snide way of saying the pitch was outside but framed by Martinez.

Hawk's comment came after Konerko struck out swinging against Mota in the 9th. He was praising Martinez for calling a 3-2 changeup after a series of fastballs.

Dolly
04-06-2006, 03:54 PM
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In other news, I found out from the astute people sitting behind me today that Harold Baines coaches thirdbase now. In other news, that reminds me of a funny story... I was at a game shortly after the 2003 All-Star game, and they showed a pic of Harold on the scoreboard in his 83 uni at the Heroes and Legends softball game. There was a woman in her early 20's sitting behind me with a man who could have been her father. They saw the pic, then had an exchange that went something like this:

Woman: Who's that?
Man: Uh, I don't know, but it was at the Heroes and Legends game, so he must be a hero or a legend, or something. *long pause* Maybe it was Ernie Banks.
D'oh!! :thud:

MarySwiss
04-06-2006, 03:57 PM
Can you explain what a catcher does in slow pitch softball? Or even fast pitch softball. (please don't think I meant that sarcastically, but I guess I'm unaware of anything besides throwing the ball back to the pitcher.)
Gladly.

I guess a lot depends on the level of play and the kind of player the catcher is. You're right; on a lot of co-rec teams that play just for fun, the weakest player is often the catcher. When that's the case, the pitcher is usually instructed to cover home on close plays and the catcher is basically a ball retriever. However, when I caught, I not only covered the plate, but I also blocked it and went hell-bent after every pop-up, which many softball catchers do not do, even though it is one of the easiest possible outs. I also played short center for a 16" team in Chicago that made the playoffs every year and won a couple of bucks here and there. On many teams, the SC is a fourth outfielder. On our team, it was an infield position and the SC covered second.

Then again, I'm pretty aggressive by nature, although I'm sure you guys have trouble believing that. (In fact, I once broke an index finger playing 16 on a cold April evening. I taped it to my middle finger and finished the game. Which probably also means I'm not always very bright!) :tongue:

BTW, on that 16" team, our catcher, who was a very strong hitter and also covered the bag well, busted a guy because she spotted the fact that he was using an illegal bat. After he hit a homerun, she grabbed the bat, showed it to the ump, and appealed. He got tossed, the HR was disallowed, and we won the game.

As I said, I guess it depends.

Edit: Oh, yeah. When I caught, I used to hold my arm out over the plate during warm-up tosses between innings (especially if the previous half-inning had been a long one). This helped the pitcher quickly get a sense of the strike zone back.