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CubsfansareDRUNK
04-05-2006, 06:09 PM
We deserved to lose that one.

walrus
04-05-2006, 06:09 PM
yeah, why bring in logan and not cotts to face hafner in the 8th of a one-run game?

this one's on ozzie and ozzie knows it

Deuce
04-05-2006, 06:10 PM
:walnuts

Worth every penny.

BeviBall!
04-05-2006, 06:10 PM
It's the first series of the year. We played one of the best teams in baseball. Calm down.

kittle42
04-05-2006, 06:10 PM
Well, typical old-school frustrating Sox game. Bring on KC.

mrs. hendu
04-05-2006, 06:10 PM
Bases loaded, no score, Paulie strucking out twice. Just brilliant. :angry:

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 06:10 PM
yeah, why bring in logan and not cotts to face hafner in the 8th of a one-run game?

this one's on ozzie and ozzie knows itBull****. You know why they lost? Because they played like crap. Period.

CaptainBallz
04-05-2006, 06:10 PM
Terrible game today. Waaaay too many wasted opportunities and an overall lack of clutch hitting.

Maybe Boone wasn't the guy to put in at that particular time.....??

Blueprint1
04-05-2006, 06:10 PM
Konerko, Pods need to start hitting.

A.T. Money
04-05-2006, 06:11 PM
This team lacks fundamentals. What the hell is AJ doing swinging at the first pitch in the 9th with the bases loaded. It just looks like everyone is going for the fences. What's the story with that?

And why is Ozzie resting players? It's the third game of the year! Where's Crede at?

I hate the Indians. The damn bottom dwellers of that lineup just kick our asses.

Rudy Law
04-05-2006, 06:11 PM
Scott Podsednik 0-13

BeviBall!
04-05-2006, 06:11 PM
:walnuts

Worth every penny.

Good god. Shall we dig up PK's first half stats from last year? Wasn't he hitting .240 at the break? I think he'll be OK... just a hunch.

SoxFan78
04-05-2006, 06:12 PM
I feel bad for Cotts, he doesn't deserve this loss.

buehrle4cy05
04-05-2006, 06:12 PM
It's three games into the season. Yes, we didn't play well today, but a series against Kansas ****ty is just what we need to right the ship.

JoeClutch24
04-05-2006, 06:12 PM
Yeah were not takin 14 from these guys again, this will be a good series of series this year. We had our chances today let's go take the next 4 out of 6.

DaveIsHere
04-05-2006, 06:12 PM
These guy are all trying to do too much. Period.

CubsfansareDRUNK
04-05-2006, 06:12 PM
Scott Podsednick 0-13

nik*

BarbG
04-05-2006, 06:13 PM
Konerko, Pods need to start hitting.
Second that, emphatically.

DeadMoney
04-05-2006, 06:13 PM
All they needed was a base hit for 6 innings straight. That was ****ing brutal. I am hoping Ozzie gets on those guys for today's crap, but also realizes that when Hafner is up leading off the 8th, that maybe he should put in Cotts and not Boone Logan. Ugh - oh well - time to go get KC on Friday.

Good games by Iguchi, Politte, McCarthy and Contreras battled. Hope Dye is okay. Pods and Konerko really need to get going.

edit:forgot McCarthy

NardiWasHere
04-05-2006, 06:13 PM
And why is Ozzie resting players? It's the third game of the year! Where's Crede at?

Flu, right?

samram
04-05-2006, 06:13 PM
The Sox deserved to lose this one. They absolutely did nothing with RISP.

I also think this was a far bigger series for the Indians than for the Sox. They had to show they were going to be serious contenders right off the bat.

Baby Fisk
04-05-2006, 06:13 PM
Why bring in Logan?
McCarthy was doing fine.
Start angry drinking.

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White_Sock
04-05-2006, 06:13 PM
There's no way Ozzie should have put Logan in there in that situation. Oh well. We'll get em next time.

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 06:13 PM
I hate ****ing Cleveland! I hate ****ing Cleveland! I hate ****ing Cleveland! I love the language filter that allows me to express my ****ing hatred of all that is ****ing Cleveland!

Cleveland, bite me!

BeviBall!
04-05-2006, 06:13 PM
This team lacks fundamentals. What the hell is AJ doing swinging at the first pitch in the 9th with the bases loaded. It just looks like everyone is going for the fences. What's the story with that?

And why is Ozzie resting players? It's the third game of the year! Where's Crede at?

We can go to any loss last year, look at the post-game thread and we'd see this exact same thing. Everyone acts surprised that Ozzie is resting players. He's done it ever since he's been here... it's not going to change.

Deuce
04-05-2006, 06:14 PM
Good god. Shall we dig up PK's first half stats from last year? Wasn't he hitting .240 at the break? I think he'll be OK... just a hunch.I know he will be fine... he has a guarenteed contract, after all.

illinisox1
04-05-2006, 06:14 PM
tough start to the season, bullpen is worrying me a litlle bit, but I think we'll be fine in the long-run, PK and Pods will get goin very soon......

oeo
04-05-2006, 06:15 PM
Neither team deserved to win this game. We've got KC now, lets get it going.

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 06:15 PM
It's three games into the season. Yes, we didn't play well today, but a series against Kansas ****ty is just what we need to right the ship.I remember saying that last September and they got their asses handed to them. They couldn't beat a AAA team the way they played today.

Ugly stat of the day: 8 hits, 14 LOB

Settembrini
04-05-2006, 06:16 PM
Bull****. You know why they lost? Because they played like crap. Period.

Indians stranded 14, (1 more than us) including 8 runners in scoring position. Did they deserve to win? Fact is, tactical decisions (Logan v. Hafner) can be controlled, timely hitting cannot.

A.T. Money
04-05-2006, 06:16 PM
Resting players the first series? Give me a break.

With the exception of Brussard in Game 1, Wedge trotted the same lineup out there every game. They win the series.

Deuce
04-05-2006, 06:16 PM
tough start to the season, bullpen is worrying me a litlle bit, but I think we'll be fine in the long-run, PK and Pods will get goin very soon......This is a "safe for work" site... you may want to get rid of that photo.

BeviBall!
04-05-2006, 06:16 PM
I know he will be fine... he has a guarenteed contract, after all.

Wow. Well, everyone here should be fine since we don't cash paychecks from Uncle Jerry.

PAPChiSox729
04-05-2006, 06:16 PM
We didn't deserve this one. That was dismal.

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 06:16 PM
All they needed was a base hit for 6 innings straight. That was ****ing brutal. I am hoping Ozzie gets on those guys for today's crap, but also realizes that when Hafner is up leading off the 8th, that maybe he should put in Cotts and not Boone Logan. Ugh - oh well - time to go get KC on Friday. Good games by Iguchi, Politte and Contreras battled. Hope Dye is okay. Pods and Konerko really need to get going.

Well, this will be my first TBGR of the 2006 season. I was undefeated (okay 3-0; I joined late) in 2005. So they'd better win! (I would've said "****ing win" but I think I used up my allowance of epithets.)

HotelWhiteSox
04-05-2006, 06:16 PM
We can go to any loss last year, look at the post-game thread and we'd see this exact same thing. Everyone acts surprised that Ozzie is resting players. He's done it ever since he's been here... it's not going to change.

Plus he wasn't even resting players, Crede has the flu, and Dye left hurt


No clutch hitting, but I liked the pitching performances.

A.T. Money
04-05-2006, 06:17 PM
Neither team deserved to win this game. We've got KC now, lets get it going.

Neither team deserved to win....riiiight. But guess what...one team did, and it wasn't us.

So let's brush it off like it's no big deal.

halfpricemonday
04-05-2006, 06:17 PM
So this is what is feels like to lose a series...Since it had been 7 months since it last happened, I had almost forgot what the post-game threads were like afterwards.

At least we know Paulie and Pods can't play any worse. And there's a whole lot more baseball to be played for them to sort it out.

santo=dorf
04-05-2006, 06:18 PM
I missed it. How did the Sox not score a run after loading the bases in the 9th? :?:

CaptainBallz
04-05-2006, 06:18 PM
Neither team deserved to win....riiiight. But guess what...one team did, and it wasn't us.

So let's brush it off like it's no big deal.

Well, actually, it isn't that big of a deal.....

JohnBasedowYoda
04-05-2006, 06:19 PM
Wow...when was the last time we had a losing record?

Law11
04-05-2006, 06:19 PM
time to get our heads out of the perverbial buttocks..

Rudy Law
04-05-2006, 06:19 PM
This team lacks fundamentals. What the hell is AJ doing swinging at the first pitch in the 9th with the bases loaded. It just looks like everyone is going for the fences. What's the story with that?

And why is Ozzie resting players? It's the third game of the year! Where's Crede at?

I hate the Indians. The damn bottom dwellers of that lineup just kick our asses.


Crede had a "stomach virus".....and what is Brian Anderson doing up with the bases loaded and doesn't amke contact with 2 outs......and the last pitch was way to close in that situation to just let it go by him.....and Konerko looks like he is just lost up there...I know it's only the 3rd game...but it is still frustrating to lose a game you had SEVERAL chances to win...

BeviBall!
04-05-2006, 06:19 PM
Resting players the first series? Give me a break.

With the exception of Brussard in Game 1, Wedge trotted the same lineup out there every game. They win the series.

How many rings did Wedge hand out this weekend? You know, I put a little blame on the Sox being distracted and the Toons feeling a little disrespected.

A.T. Money
04-05-2006, 06:20 PM
Well, actually, it isn't that big of a deal.....

Let's see if you feel that way when we are 10 games back.

That's why Cleveland stayed home last fall.

maurice
04-05-2006, 06:20 PM
Wasn't he hitting .240 at the break?

.249 to be precise, because of a strong June. Before June, he hit .220-something (and about half that with RiSP). That's pretty normal for him. He's been a hot-month / cold-month hitter his entire career. I'm not clear how chronically sucking for long stretches shows that he'll earn his salary, though. OTOH, it seems like his low GiDP totals in 2005 were a fluke. I guess that wasn't Frank's fault after all.

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 06:20 PM
I missed it. How did the Sox not score a run after loading the bases in the 9th? :?:Much the same as they managed to not score a run after loading the bases with one out in the 7th.

oeo
04-05-2006, 06:20 PM
Resting players the first series? Give me a break.

With the exception of Brussard in Game 1, Wedge trotted the same lineup out there every game. They win the series.

Today...Crede was apparantly sick with the flu and Dye left the game with an injury. Not a very good excuse...

Viva Medias B's
04-05-2006, 06:20 PM
I'm disgusted with the loss today and how we blew several chances. However, I am not worried about us long term. We'll bounce right back in Kansas City.

Sizemore and Blake saved the Indians today with their catches.

JohnBasedowYoda
04-05-2006, 06:20 PM
Why bring in Logan?
McCarthy was doing fine.
Start angry drinking.

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kittle42
04-05-2006, 06:20 PM
Let's see if you feel that way when we are 10 games back.

That's why Cleveland stayed home last fall.

:rolleyes:

BeviBall!
04-05-2006, 06:21 PM
time to get our heads out of the perverbial buttocks..

Oh god yes... it is absolutely time to panic.

A.T. Money
04-05-2006, 06:21 PM
How many rings did Wedge hand out this weekend? You know, I put a little blame on the Sox being distracted and the Toons feeling a little disrespected.

I'm not about living in the past. Do you want to lose this year because our team got rings?

Give me a break. The euphoria is great, but how about getting the job done now? It's a new year.

buehrle4cy05
04-05-2006, 06:22 PM
159 games to go.

That's a long way.

SoxSpeed22
04-05-2006, 06:23 PM
It's not euphoria, it's just that the clutch hits aren't there. They will be there soon and hopefully there will be less of this, as well as managing mistakes.

BeviBall!
04-05-2006, 06:23 PM
I'm not about living in the past. Do you want to lose this year because our team got rings?

Give me a break. The euphoria is great, but how about getting the job done now? It's a new year.

Dude. We're 1-2 not 1-12. This place is going to be a joke after losses.

illinisox1
04-05-2006, 06:24 PM
This is a "safe for work" site... you may want to get rid of that photo.
well one of my reasons for selecting that pic was to provide some entertainment for those who are bored at work/school :D:.........but is this one better?:gulp:

SoxSpeed22
04-05-2006, 06:25 PM
well one of my reasons for selecting that pic was to provide some entertainment for those who are bored at work/school :D:.........but is this one better?:gulp:Good luck.

SoxEd
04-05-2006, 06:25 PM
Oh NO!

Now we're 1-2!

That means we can't finish any better than 160-2.

We're Doomed!

Whilst it undoubtedly sucks to lose to the Jnjuns, because they're the second-best team in the ALC, I think that we can afford to chalk this one up to experience.
Hopefully, it'll leave the inhabitants of the Sox dugout with a bad enough taste in their mouths to motivate them to learn from tonight's mistakes.

Now, if we end up going 10-20, I'll be as pissed-off, angry, and pessimisitic as anyone.
For now though, I'm not worried.

Konerkoholic
04-05-2006, 06:25 PM
This is a "safe for work" site... you may want to get rid of that photo.
I don't know...I'm at work right now and I gotta say that was much appreciated after a gross loss.

Deuce
04-05-2006, 06:25 PM
well one of my reasons for selecting that pic was to provide some entertainment for those who are bored at work/school :D:.........but is this one better?:gulp:According to the board rules, no.

CaptainBallz
04-05-2006, 06:25 PM
Let's see if you feel that way when we are 10 games back.

That's why Cleveland stayed home last fall.

Hopefully, you already see the difference between being 10 games back and dropping two of the first three. Then you'll come down from the ledge.

JohnBasedowYoda
04-05-2006, 06:26 PM
well one of my reasons for selecting that pic was to provide some entertainment for those who are bored at work/school :D:.........but is this one better?:gulp:

Thank you. But I have a bad feeling

BNLSox
04-05-2006, 06:26 PM
Cleveland's outfield defense was UNBELIEVABLE today, hell all series. We didn't capitalize on opportunities and yes Ozzie put in Logan in a tough situation for seemingly no reason. That being said all the games count the same it doesn't matter what team we are playing. They are going to play us like its the playoffs all year because Wedge won't let them lose the division based on their head to head record with us.

Long story short, today was painful but at least Contreras bounced back, McCarthy continued to be amazing, Cintron and Mack looked good, and Thome clearly upset pitchers.

No wire to wire, but who cares, its only about winning that 4th World Series game, the rest is icing.

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 06:26 PM
well one of my reasons for selecting that pic was to provide some entertainment for those who are bored at work/school :D:.........but is this one better?:gulp:Not clear on the concept. Do I hear breathing???

illinisox1
04-05-2006, 06:27 PM
According to the board rules, no.
what exactly are the board rules?:?: I figured it was just no nudity.....

BeviBall!
04-05-2006, 06:27 PM
Hopefully, you already see the difference between being 10 games back and dropping two of the first three. Then you'll come down from the ledge.
Eh, leave him out there. It's sunny and 55 today... perfect ledge weather.

buehrle4cy05
04-05-2006, 06:27 PM
Oh NO!

Now we're 1-2!

That means we can't finish any better than 160-2.

We're Doomed!

Whilst it undoubtedly sucks to lose to the Jnjuns, because they're the second-best team in the ALC, I think that we can afford to chalk this one up to experience.
Hopefully, it'll leave the inhabitants of the Sox dugout with a bad enough taste in their mouths to motivate them to learn from tonight's mistakes.

Now, if we end up going 10-20, I'll be as pissed-off, angry, and pessimisitic as anyone.
For now though, I'm not worried.



Couldn't have said it better.:)

buehrle4cy05
04-05-2006, 06:28 PM
what exactly are the board rules?:?: I figured it was just no nudity.....

:rolleyes:

NSSoxFan
04-05-2006, 06:28 PM
We'll be just fine.

Dark clouds, enjoy the day!

TomParrish79
04-05-2006, 06:29 PM
lol some of these posts are making me laugh so I am in a good mood now. Plus I would like to know who that chick is in the lingerie a few posts up...niiiice.

Overall we had some chances today and just couldnt cash in..its early in the season. I hope JD is ok and its nothing serious we're gonna need him both at the plate and in the field.

JohnBasedowYoda
04-05-2006, 06:29 PM
We'll be just fine.

Dark clouds, enjoy the day!

I'm enjoying Vida.

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 06:29 PM
what exactly are the board rules?:?: I figured it was just no nudity.....You could try, you know, reading them.

Blueprint1
04-05-2006, 06:29 PM
A Tigers fan at work is already talking trash.

halfpricemonday
04-05-2006, 06:30 PM
what exactly are the board rules?:?: I figured it was just no nudity.....

http://www.flyingsock.com/MainPages/ConductCode.htm

Signatures are allowed at WSI and can include pictures and/or phrases. If you need some help installing one, please contact Voodoochile or daver for advice/help. The following rules apply to signatures:

* No pornographic or semi-pornographic pictures
* Limit picture size to less than 15 Kb (15K bytes) and limit their physical size to 5 square inches.
* All signature images are subject to review and removal by the people who run the site
* Use the test board for uploading and installing signature images. Please see that board for detailed rules about installing them.

Just giving you a heads-up so you'll be around to enjoy the KC series...

IronFisk
04-05-2006, 06:30 PM
what exactly are the board rules?:?: I figured it was just no nudity.....

Wow, I'm amazed it lasted this long!

SoxFan78
04-05-2006, 06:31 PM
A Tigers fan at work is already talking trash.

Tell him that he's a fan of the TIGERS. He should be ashamed just because of that

illinisox1
04-05-2006, 06:31 PM
You could try, you know, reading them.
i went to the "installing a signature thread" in the test board and all it says is choose an image that is appropriate.......idk what that means, appropriate to me means that I can have some chick spreading in my sig, but I'm assuming the mods probably wouldn't like that.......i guess mine might be too big, but w/e, I'm keepin it till i hear otherwise......

SoxSpeed22
04-05-2006, 06:32 PM
A Tigers fan at work is already talking trash.That didn't take long, even for them.

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 06:32 PM
Scott Podsednik 0-13

Okay, let's kill him!

Unregistered
04-05-2006, 06:32 PM
Eh... whatever. :dunno:

Call it living in the past or whatever you want, but I just can't bring myself to get worked up when we just won the World ****ing Series.

It's kinda scary, cause this might last a while...

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 06:32 PM
Wow, I'm amazed it lasted this long!It's a hell of a lot more fun talking about this than that ****ty ****ing game.

CubsfansareDRUNK
04-05-2006, 06:33 PM
Get used to it guys...theres gunna be alot of those this season.

illinisox1
04-05-2006, 06:33 PM
It's a hell of a lot more fun talking about this than that ****ty ****ing game.my point exactly........hopefully you guys stick up for me when I'm about to get banned for it :D:


EDIT: I guess it's gone already, anybody know what mod I can PM to talk about that?

Unregistered
04-05-2006, 06:34 PM
appropriate to me means that I can have some chick spreading in my sig, but I'm assuming the mods probably wouldn't like that.......Unless she's spreading peanut butter over a piece of bread and making PB & J's - I'd re-think "appropriate," my friend. :bandance:

EDIT: Oh, and clothed. :wink:

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 06:34 PM
my point exactly........hopefully you guys stick up for me when I'm about to get banned for it :D:Oh yeah. We'll all be right behind you.

Deuce
04-05-2006, 06:34 PM
i went to the "installing a signature thread" in the test board and all it says is choose an image that is appropriate.......idk what that means, appropriate to me means that I can have some chick spreading in my sig, but I'm assuming the mods probably wouldn't like that.......i guess mine might be too big, but w/e, I'm keepin it till i hear otherwise......Nice knowing you.

TomParrish79
04-05-2006, 06:34 PM
Eh... whatever. :dunno:

Call it living in the past or whatever you want, but I just can't bring myself to get worked up when we just won the World ****ing Series.

It's kinda scary, cause this might last a while...



Man i was gonna post that exact same thing...

TornLabrum
04-05-2006, 06:35 PM
well one of my reasons for selecting that pic was to provide some entertainment for those who are bored at work/school :D:.........but is this one better?:gulp:

No...Try another one and you're gone.

CaptainBallz
04-05-2006, 06:36 PM
It's a hell of a lot more fun talking about this than that ****ty ****ing game.

So true.

Can we cancel the postgame thread?

Unregistered
04-05-2006, 06:36 PM
Oh yeah. We'll all be right behind you.:rolling:

Dear Torn,

illinisox1 really likes his "chicks" "spreading" in his sig. Please consider his (and their) position.

You pals,
The WSI Regulars.

:tongue:

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 06:37 PM
Games like this shouldn't bother me but they do, these are the gut chewing kind...the kind that you may look back on in September and say 'what if?'

Just some observations from the first series:

I said that I thought the Sox were going to be sluggish in the early going and they are. The offense looks awful right now particularly Posednik and Konerko...

The 'minor, nagging' injuries continue to happen. Dye today...has anyone heard what is the problem now?

The bullpen blew the game today pure and simple, perhaps the first of many. I just don't feel it's as strong as last year's. And I agree with the early posters who stated that bringing Logan in to face Haffner was a mistake. The kid has pitched all of two innings in the major leagues, that was not the time nor the place. I recall reading Bob Shaw's interview where he said that when he first got to the Sox, Lopez only put him in situations against weak teams with guys he could handle until he got confidence and knew what to do. Ozzie is rushing Logan and today he paid for it.

Regarding the Kansas City series, 2 of 3 would be nice but keep in mind the second half of 05 those mopes gave the Sox fits and almost cost them big time. I'm not going to say 'sweeping' them is as easy as some are saying.

We'll see how things go but right now I'm disappointed with the start. 05 is gone, it's not coming back. The sooner the Sox forget it, the better they will be.

Lip

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 06:39 PM
Let's see if you feel that way when we are 10 games back.

That's why Cleveland stayed home last fall.

Er, your point?

Cleveland stayed home last fall, IIRC, because, after sucking early on, they mounted a fierce charge, only to fall short (can you say: choke?) the last weekend of the season.

As for how we'll feel when we're 10 games back--well, let's wait for that until we are 10 games back. And I wouldn't hold my breath.

Viva Medias B's
04-05-2006, 06:39 PM
Will you please calm down? It's okay to be disappointed over losing the ballgame, but let's not get into a full blown panic here. This is only the second loss of at least 60 that we and most every other MLB team will get.

JohnBasedowYoda
04-05-2006, 06:39 PM
:rolling:

Dear Torn,

illinisox1 really likes his "chicks" "spreading" in his sig. Please consider his (and their) position.

You pals,
The WSI Regulars.

Where do I sign?

Konerkoholic
04-05-2006, 06:39 PM
I'm a little disturbed by people's reactions to this one loss. The notion that the players have been polishing their championship rings rather than preparing for the game is ridiculous. There are going to be gross games like this (remember the early oakland games last year). I'm confident, as we all should be, that this team will respond.

BTW, bless the guy who keeps putting those pictures up. where did u get those photos?

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 06:40 PM
Games like this shouldn't bother me but they do, these are the gut chewing kind...the kind that you may look back on in September and say 'what if?'

Just some observations from the first series:

I said that I thought the Sox were going to be sluggish in the early going and they are. The offense looks awful right now particularly Posednik and Konerko...

The 'minor, nagging' injuries continue to happen. Dye today...has anyone heard what is the problem now?

The bullpen blew the game today pure and simple, perhaps the first of many. I just don't feel it's as strong as last year's. And I agree with the early posters who stated that bringing Logan in to face Haffner was a mistake. The kid has pitched all of two innings in the major leagues, that was not the time nor the place. I recall reading Bob Shaw's interview where he said that when he first got to the Sox, Lopez only put him in situations against weak teams with guys he could handle until he got confidence and knew what to do. Ozzie is rushing Logan and today he paid for it.

Regarding the Kansas City series, 2 of 3 would be nice but keep in mind the second half of 05 those mopes gave the Sox fits and almost cost them big time. I'm not going to say 'sweeping' them is as easy as some are saying.

We'll see how things go but right now I'm disappointed with the start. 05 is gone, it's not coming back. The sooner the Sox forget it, the better they will be.

LipI agree that bringing in Logan was a mistake for just the reasons you stated. What I don't agree with is saying that's the reason they lost, or that it was the bullpen or any other individual reason. They lost for a dozen different reasons, not the least of which was their horrible clutch hitting. You can't just single one out.

Thome's Homey
04-05-2006, 06:41 PM
BTW, bless the guy who keeps putting those pictures up. where did u get those photos?

It can't be tough enough to find softcore porn that you have to ask. :redneck

rookie
04-05-2006, 06:42 PM
Eh... whatever. :dunno:

Call it living in the past or whatever you want, but I just can't bring myself to get worked up when we just won the World ****ing Series.

It's kinda scary, cause this might last a while...



I agree. And you know what we need right now? A road trip. We always do better on the road. Less distractions. A road trip in Kansas City and Detriot is just what the doctor ordered. Right now they probably don't need, a ballpark full of fans still hung over from October. Though I am going to enjoy my hangover until it ends.

Deuce
04-05-2006, 06:42 PM
You know what really sucks... I have almost two and a half days to stew in this loss before we even have the chance to get that "winning high."

buehrle4cy05
04-05-2006, 06:43 PM
Get used to it guys...theres gunna be alot of those this season.

If I've learned anything, it's that you rarely can judge a season on its first three games. Don't panic.

SoxEd
04-05-2006, 06:45 PM
I agree that bringing in Logan was a mistake for just the reasons you stated. What I don't agree with is saying that's the reason they lost, or that it was the bullpen or any other individual reason. They lost for a dozen different reasons, not the least of which was their horrible clutch hitting. You can't just single one out.

TESTIFY!
TESTIFY!

The important thing now is that the Team realises what their snafus were tonight, and takes steps to avoid them hereafter.

The good thing is, that we're JUST THREE GAMES into the 2006 Season, so there's plenty of time yet to fix the things that're currently 'broke'.

On the 'niggling injuries' front, I have four words for you:
Birmingham City Football Club.
:o:

I think our Herm's better than his counterparts at St. Andrews.

Deuce
04-05-2006, 06:46 PM
:tomatoaward

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 06:46 PM
i went to the "installing a signature thread" in the test board and all it says is choose an image that is appropriate.......idk what that means, appropriate to me means that I can have some chick spreading in my sig, but I'm assuming the mods probably wouldn't like that.......i guess mine might be too big, but w/e, I'm keepin it till i hear otherwise......

Excuse me, but you're an idiot. I would go into more graphic detail, but I notice that many of the REAL MEN who post here have already pointed out just how much of an idiot you are. And this is just a guess, but based on this latest post, you wouldn't know what to do with a "chick" in the extremely unlikely event you were ever able to attract one.

Uncle_Patrick
04-05-2006, 06:48 PM
Its times like this that I miss Horsemaster Fred. He'd know what to say to put everything in perspective.

Yours in anger,
Uncle Patrick

Thome's Homey
04-05-2006, 06:50 PM
Excuse me, but you're an idiot. I would go into more graphic detail, but I notice that many of the REAL MEN who post here have already pointed out just how much of an idiot you are. And this is just a guess, but based on this latest post, you wouldn't know what to do with a "chick" in the extremely unlikely event you were ever able to attract one.

Oh, my! Go get him, Mary! :duel:

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 06:51 PM
No. 2:

With respect (and perhaps this is just the way I see things...) when you take a lead into the 7th inning or later YOU WIN THE GAME...period.

Yes the Sox could have had a 5-2 lead or a 7-2 lead if they had one friggin' clutch hit but the fact is they already HAD the lead in the late innings and pissed it away.

Again that's just the way I see things. I'm not trying to specifically 'blame' any one individual but Ozzie put Logan in a difficult situation against a difficult hitter. That was not the time.

If you want to 'blame' anyone for today, it falls right on the shoulders of Ozzie for putting the kid in a spot he's totally unprepared for, when you have two left handers with more experience sitting in the bullpen.

Like I said I shouldn't let these type of games get to me but they do. This should have been a fairly easy win instead it turns into a tough loss for a number of reasons included some that you stated.

I understand 'it' happens but I'll be damned if I have to like it.

In fact this is exactly like the 3rd game from last season also against Cleveland in Chicago where Takatsu pissed it away in the 9th inning.

Lip

gbergman
04-05-2006, 06:51 PM
Wasted way to many oppurtunities. Paulie is off to his typical slow start remember last year didn't he bat .200 for the first month if i remember right. Scott needs to get it going and cotts should have come in to face hafner

ndu3t4
04-05-2006, 06:55 PM
I usually get to these threads after everything that can be said has been said; but here's my two cents anyway.

I knew when they brought in Mota that we had no chance. I'm sick of DJ and Hawk making excuses. "What a great pitch by Mota". You're captain should be able to lay off a changeup in the dirt with the bases juiced. 'Nuff said.

Also, I hate loosing, I didn't think I would get as pissed off after a loss this year as I did last year but I still get angry as hell. Not fun.:angry:

Let's go get it done in KC.

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 06:57 PM
No. 2:

With respect (and perhaps this is just the way I see things...) when you take a lead into the 7th inning or later YOU WIN THE GAME...period.

Yes the Sox could have had a 5-3 lead or a 7-3 lead if they had one friggin' clutch hit but the fact is they already HAD the lead in the late innings and pissed it away.

Again that's just the way I see things. I'm not trying to specifically 'blame' any one individual but Ozzie put Logan in a difficult situation against a difficult hitter. That was not the time.

If you want to 'blame' anyone for today, it falls right on the shoulders of Ozzie for putting the kid in a spot he's totally unprepared for, when you have two left handers with more experience sitting in the bullpen.

Like I said I shouldn't let these type of games get to me but they do. This should have been a fairly easy win instead it turns into a tough loss for a number of reasons included some that you stated.

I understand 'it' happens but I'll be damned if I have to like it.

Lip

Agree, Lip. Ozzie should have let Boone get his baptism of fire against a lesser team. That said, we have a long way to go in this season, so let's see how it unfolds. Says here, Sox win their second straight World Series.

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 06:58 PM
Oh, my! Go get him, Mary! :duel:

Well, c'mon! He's an idiot! :cool:

illinisox1
04-05-2006, 07:00 PM
I guess this one will have to do....

JB98
04-05-2006, 07:01 PM
Good to see this board in midseason form in terms of throwing Konerko under the bus. Rough series for Paulie and Pods, and a frustrating loss today. We should have won this game 10 times over. I would have brought Thornton in to face Hafner. He struck Hafner out looking the other night. But we had plenty of chances to score even after Logan gave it up.

I'm sure we'll get it together soon. My only real worry right now is Dye left the game, and I still have no idea why. :?:

buehrle4cy05
04-05-2006, 07:02 PM
I knew when they brought in Mota that we had no chance. I'm sick of DJ and Hawk making excuses. "What a great pitch by Mota". You're captain should be able to lay off a changeup in the dirt with the bases juiced. 'Nuff said.



That's totally ignorant. Mota throws mid-to-upper 90's gas and HAD NOT THROWN A CHANGEUP FOR A STRIKE the entire game up to that point. So when he throws a changeup on 3-2, with a walk looming if he throws a ball, Konerko is probably cheating a little to protect for a fastball because that's all he could throw for a strike. He drops a change, a pitch that was totally unexpected (and nasty, for that matter). I don't care who you are, you aren't going to hit that pitch.

halfpricemonday
04-05-2006, 07:02 PM
Good to see this board in midseason form in terms of throwing Konerko under the bus. Rough series for Paulie and Pods, and a frustrating loss today. We should have won this game 10 times over. I would have brought Thornton in to face Hafner. He struck Hafner out looking the other night. But we had plenty of chances to score even after Logan gave it up.

I'm sure we'll get it together soon. My only real worry right now is Dye left the game, and I still have no idea why. :?:

Last I heard, it was a strained left calf muscle.

LongLiveFisk
04-05-2006, 07:03 PM
Will you please calm down? It's okay to be disappointed over losing the ballgame, but let's not get into a full blown panic here. This is only the second loss of at least 60 that we and most every other MLB team will get.

Right...we'll get it going. Yes it sucks to lose one like this but I'm thinking when Konerko and Pods get on a hot streak (the offense in general, actually), the runs will come in and things will improve. TRUST ME. :redneck

Btw, you know what this place reminds me of after the Sox lose? That scene in the movie "Airplane!" when the flight attendant announces over the intercom that they're out of coffee.

bluestar
04-05-2006, 07:03 PM
I am certainly not in panic mode or anything close, but today's game was the kind of game we won last year fairly consistently.

Just sayin'...

HomeFish
04-05-2006, 07:03 PM
Let's see if you feel that way when we are 10 games back.

That's why Cleveland stayed home last fall.

http://earth.rice.edu/mtpe/atmo/atmosphere/what_images/dark_clouds(small).jpg

Parrothead
04-05-2006, 07:03 PM
i went to the "installing a signature thread" in the test board and all it says is choose an image that is appropriate.......idk what that means, appropriate to me means that I can have some chick spreading in my sig, but I'm assuming the mods probably wouldn't like that.......i guess mine might be too big, but w/e, I'm keepin it till i hear otherwise......

Who is that in the pic?

buehrle4cy05
04-05-2006, 07:04 PM
Last I heard, it was a strained left calf muscle.

I heard that too. It's still early, so IMO you have to make sure that he's 100% when he comes back. Anything that's strained can be nagging if you try to play on it when it isn't fully healed.

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 07:04 PM
JB98:

Strained calf, probably hurt it yesterday or in warm up's. Day to day.

Lip

unclegary
04-05-2006, 07:05 PM
Knock off all of the whining and hand wringing. Lots of games to go.

illinisox1
04-05-2006, 07:06 PM
Who is that in the pic?
originally it was Vida Guerra, current one I hope your joking about, but if not, its Jessica Alba...

soxwon
04-05-2006, 07:06 PM
I just knew we should have won more spring training games.
Thats the key you have to WIN in spring training not lose.
you go into the season WINNING.

100 Year Itch
04-05-2006, 07:06 PM
Again that's just the way I see things. I'm not trying to specifically 'blame' any one individual but Ozzie put Logan in a difficult situation against a difficult hitter. That was not the time.

If you want to 'blame' anyone for today, it falls right on the shoulders of Ozzie for putting the kid in a spot he's totally unprepared for, when you have two left handers with more experience sitting in the bullpen.




Conversely, if Logan retires the side without giving up a run, and the Sox go on to win the game, Guillen is hailed as a genius for putting a guy in there that Cleveland hitters are not familiar with.

Just saying.

LongLiveFisk
04-05-2006, 07:07 PM
I just knew we should have won more spring training games.
Thats the key you have to WIN in spring training not lose.
you go into the season WINNING.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Sox suck in ST last year?

JB98
04-05-2006, 07:11 PM
JB98:

Strained calf, probably hurt it yesterday or in warm up's. Day to day.

Lip

Thanks for the info, Lip and everybody. I had an emergency trip to the dentist office today that caused me to miss innings 6-8. Now, I'm at work, so I haven't had a chance to hear a lot of comments on TV or on radio.

kittle42
04-05-2006, 07:11 PM
I just knew we should have won more spring training games.
Thats the key you have to WIN in spring training not lose.
you go into the season WINNING.

*****.

Chisox003
04-05-2006, 07:12 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Sox suck in ST last year?
Yes, they also came out of ST with Shingo Takatsu closing and Jon Garland as the distant 5th starter. Gooch was a huge question mark, as was Pods and Dye.

Point being, we got a lot of time, it's a long season. That said, we dig ourselves a hole in this division then forget about October. Time to turn it on and turn it around, starting this weekend.

TornLabrum
04-05-2006, 07:12 PM
originally it was Vida Guerra, current one I hope your joking about, but if not, its Jessica Alba...

And way too large. Goodbye.

illinisox1
04-05-2006, 07:12 PM
I just knew we should have won more spring training games.
Thats the key you have to WIN in spring training not lose.
you go into the season WINNING.
*** r u talkin about? every year teams that suck do good during ST and it doesn't do anything for them in the regular season.......

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 07:14 PM
100 year:

I'm a percentage player. To me the 'odds' aren't with the kid who has all of two innings of work in the majors, facing one of the most dangerous hitters in baseball.

If I'm calling the shots Logan doesn't even sniff the field for the first few months unless the Sox are either winning or losing by more then four runs. That's just me.

Lip

Unregistered
04-05-2006, 07:15 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Sox suck in ST last year?They went 14-18. Awesome Start.

It's best not to listen to soxwon - unless, of course, he's giving one of his famous diatribes in which he predicted 5 days ago how the Sox were going to win the World Series AGAIN this year.

Funny how things change with 2 ****ing losses.

Unregistered
04-05-2006, 07:16 PM
And way too large. Goodbye....and welcome to SoxTalk!

:cool:

PKalltheway
04-05-2006, 07:17 PM
I haven't read all of the posts here, but I have read a few. Some of you guys need to just relax. It's just the third game of the year. We aren't going to run away with the division again like we did last year. What we did last year does not happen every year. This is going to be a battle to the end. The Sox will be just fine. Relax.:D:

TheOldRoman
04-05-2006, 07:17 PM
Point being, we got a lot of time, it's a long season. That said, we dig ourselves a hole in this division then forget about October.
Not necessarily. The Indians dug themselves a huge hole last season and completely crawled out of it. They ended up with a chance to win the division, but of course the Sox prevailed.

My point is, the better team ALWAYS wins over 162 games. The Sox ARE the better team this year. If they stay healthy, they will win the division, even if they go down by 10 games in May. I am frustrated as hell with this loss, too, but I am putting things in perspective. The hitters are ice cold, and we still had every chance to beat "the best team in the AL". We will be fine.

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 07:20 PM
100 year:

I'm a percentage player. To me the 'odds' aren't with the kid who has all of two innings of work in the majors, facing one of the most dangerous hitters in baseball.

If I'm calling the shots Logan doesn't even sniff the field for the first few months unless the Sox are either winning or losing by more then four runs. That's just me.

Lip

Nope. It's me too.

I believe it was The Godfather and these are not exact quotes, but when Sonny was trying to decide who was going to whack Solozzo, he suggested "someone who hasn't made his rep yet; I real good rookie." To which Clemenza (or Tessio) replied, "That's like bringing someone up from triple-A to pitch in the World Series."

goon
04-05-2006, 07:20 PM
http://www.bobfromaccounting.com/bfastore/relaxtee.jpg

itsnotrequired
04-05-2006, 07:23 PM
Just got back from the game. The way things were going, I half-expected to see the post game thread in the Roadhouse.:D:

A pretty blah game, to say the least. Lots of blown chances. It didn't help that I was freezing away in the stands. Ran into DumpJerry and jen2080 before the game. I saw The Dude sitting in the section next to me but was too freaking cold to walk over and say hi.:redface:

Sig update time...

Unregistered
04-05-2006, 07:23 PM
I believe it was The Godfather and these are not exact quotes, but when Sonny was trying to decide who was going to whack Solozzo, he suggested "someone who hasn't made his rep yet; I real good rookie." To which Clemenza (or Tessio) replied, "That's like bringing someone up from triple-A to pitch in the World Series."http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/10/27/PH2005102700823.jpg

Good point. :D:

TomBradley72
04-05-2006, 07:28 PM
Highlights from today:

Contreras settled down and pitched well after a rough first.
Iguchi had a good day.
Cotts had a good outing.
No more ceremonies, montage videos, jets flying over, etc. from here on out...back to baseball.I agree the Logan move was questionable. On the other hand that's Ozzie's style...he's pretty aggressive with getting new guys into meaningful situations....and he uses everyone on the roster all the time. Live by the sword die by the sword. It worked in developing Jenks and McCarthy.

In the long run...if we don't have an alternative to Cotts in that situation we'll be in big trouble. I'm sure he wants to see what Logan and Thornton are made of ASAP. One of the reasons they are carrying 3 lefties is to match up with the Twins and Indians....who they play 19 times by June 11th.

Thome's performance alone in this first series is enough to fuel my optimism. :gulp:

JB98
04-05-2006, 07:29 PM
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/10/27/PH2005102700823.jpg

Good point. :D:

Actually, Bobby came up from Class AA. :cool:

Chisox003
04-05-2006, 07:29 PM
Not necessarily. The Indians dug themselves a huge hole last season and completely crawled out of it. They ended up with a chance to win the division, but of course the Sox prevailed.

My point is, the better team ALWAYS wins over 162 games. The Sox ARE the better team this year. If they stay healthy, they will win the division, even if they go down by 10 games in May. I am frustrated as hell with this loss, too, but I am putting things in perspective. The hitters are ice cold, and we still had every chance to beat "the best team in the AL". We will be fine.
Ya I know Old Roman, but the division is a lot better this year. The Royals and Tigers are far from the pushovers they were last season, and the Twins have some of the best pitching in the AL, if not baseball.

I'm not panicking, nor am I worried, I just think that if we get off to a slow start and dig ourselves a hole, we're not making out of this division.

Oh well, 3 down, 159 to go. Friday can't get here soon enough.

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 07:30 PM
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/10/27/PH2005102700823.jpg

Good point. :D:
Except we did not bring him up to pitch in the World Series; he was already with the team and had already pitched in the majors. And--unless I lost my mind (entirely possible)--we traded for him.

soxwon
04-05-2006, 07:30 PM
They went 14-18. Awesome Start.

It's best not to listen to soxwon - unless, of course, he's giving one of his famous diatribes in which he predicted 5 days ago how the Sox were going to win the World Series AGAIN this year.

Funny how things change with 2 ****ing losses.


once again you dont get the humour.
i was simply joking.
i know ST games dont mean anything.
i know we will be fine.
i was hopeing to lead from wire to wire for 2 years straight
but that wont happen.

Deebs14
04-05-2006, 07:33 PM
Highlights from today:

Contreras settled down and pitched well after a rough first.
Iguchi had a good day.
Cotts had a good outing.
No more ceremonies, montage videos, jets flying over, etc. from here on out...back to baseball.I agree the Logan move was questionable. On the other hand that's Ozzie's style...he's pretty aggressive with getting new guys into meaningful situations....and he uses everyone on the roster all the time. Live by the sword die by the sword. It worked in developing Jenks and McCarthy.

In the long run...if we don't have an alternative to Cotts in that situation we'll be in big trouble. I'm sure he wants to see what Logan and Thornton are made of ASAP. One of the reasons they are carry 3 lefties is to match up with the Twins and Indians....who they play 19 times by June 11th.

Thome's performance alone in this first series is enough to fuel my optimism. :gulp:

Good post...exactly sums up my thoughts and feelings. Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing all that! :smile:

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 07:35 PM
PK:

Maybe I missed something but since when did the Sox 'run away' with the division last year?

The final difference was six and that only happened by sweeping the final series. Remember the lead was actually down to a 1 1/2 in late September.

I don't expect a runaway this year, I expect a dogfight. Which means every game counts and you can't give away wins like the team did today.

Lip

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 07:36 PM
Roman:

Point taken but you'll also, I'm sure, allow that playing .750 percentage baseball for a month and a half to get back into the race doesn't happen everyday either.

Point being don't put yourself in that type of situation in the first place.

Lip

Unregistered
04-05-2006, 07:38 PM
once again you dont get the humour.
i was simply joking.
i know ST games dont mean anything.
i know we will be fine.
i was hopeing to lead from wire to wire for 2 years straight
but that wont happen.You truly are a man of mystery. :D:

Unregistered
04-05-2006, 07:41 PM
Except we did not bring him up to pitch in the World Series; he was already with the team and had already pitched in the majors. And--unless I lost my mind (entirely possible)--we traded for him.He was picked up on waivers - and yeah, he was brought up in July... but who needs details? :redneck

TheOldRoman
04-05-2006, 07:44 PM
Point being don't put yourself in that type of situation in the first place.

Lip
I agree, and anyone would have to be crazy to believe the Sox will put themselves in that position. The better team always wins over 162 games. The Sox are far and away the best team in the division. If they stay healthy, they will win the division, even if they lose the series to KC this weekend.:D:

WikdChiSoxFan
04-05-2006, 07:49 PM
anyone know what happened to dye at the game?

i was there and wouldn't have even known he started if i questioned why mackowiak was hitting fifth...

Bobbo35
04-05-2006, 07:50 PM
I missed it. How did the Sox not score a run after loading the bases in the 9th? :?:

Ya, I am sorry that is unacceptable.

Brian26
04-05-2006, 07:53 PM
We can go to any loss last year, look at the post-game thread and we'd see this exact same thing. Everyone acts surprised that Ozzie is resting players. He's done it ever since he's been here... it's not going to change.

You can never figure Ozzie out. I thought for sure Crede would pinch hit for Ozuna, and Ozzie sends Cintron out there instead.

Viva Medias B's
04-05-2006, 07:57 PM
You can never figure Ozzie out. I thought for sure Crede would pinch hit for Ozuna, and Ozzie sends Cintron out there instead.

Crede was sick. Why send a sick person out there and potentially risk worsening his condition?

Flying Swede
04-05-2006, 07:57 PM
It seems as if most of the White Sox are pressing a little at the plate, except, that is, for Iguchi, who once again did everything he could to keep the Sox in the game today.

Brian26
04-05-2006, 08:00 PM
I remember saying that last September and they got their asses handed to them. They couldn't beat a AAA team the way they played today.

Ugly stat of the day: 8 hits, 14 LOB

I believe 5 of those LOB belong to BA.

Brian26
04-05-2006, 08:01 PM
Crede was sick. Why send a sick person out there and potentially risk worsening his condition?

I wasn't aware of that being at the game. Ozzie had his reasons then.

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 08:01 PM
One other thing to keep in mind about good starts. Cleveland has potentially a cup-cake first six weeks. I think 12 or 14 of their first 20 games are against such 'tough' opponents as Kansas City, Baltimore, Detroit and Tampa Bay.

I know anything can happen which is why I said potentially. Let's put it this way I'd much rather face that then say Toronto, Minnesota and Los Angeles which is who the Sox have in April.

All the more reason why you can't piss away games like they did today.

Lip

Brian26
04-05-2006, 08:04 PM
Sizemore and Blake saved the Indians today with their catches.

Blake covered a LOT of territory in RF. I was surprised...I didn't think he had such good range.

The guy I'm most impressed with on the Tribe so far is Jason Michaels. 4-5 today with a walk, and playing solid defense too. I guess they knew what they were doing when they got rid of Coco.

whtsx1959
04-05-2006, 08:07 PM
Over the offseason I forgot what losing was like. It's excruciating!

JUribe1989
04-05-2006, 08:08 PM
You people act as if we are not World Champions. Now is the time after losses to look back at last years playoff clips and realize how lucky we are. Some of you need to go do that.

oeo
04-05-2006, 08:10 PM
One other thing to keep in mind about good starts. Cleveland has potentially a cup-cake first six weeks. I think 12 or 14 of their first 20 games are against such 'tough' opponents as Kansas City, Baltimore, Detroit and Tampa Bay.

I know anything can happen which is why I said potentially. Let's put it this way I'd much rather face that then say Toronto, Minnesota and Los Angeles which is who the Sox have in April.

All the more reason why you can't piss away games like they did today.

Lip

You could say the Indians pissed away the game if they had lost as well. You're going to win some and lose some...there's your good games and your bad ones, neither team had a good one. One game is not going to be a difference maker because the Indians are going to piss away games as well.

Can't believe that after the first series people are already freaking out. Relax.

ws05champs
04-05-2006, 08:16 PM
Both teams had plenty of opportunities to blow this one wide open today and neither team did. In the end Cleveland was finally able to just squeak one by.

They keep telling us that it is tough to repeat a World Series championship. Lets not get spoiled by last year's post season. Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you. We still have the best team in baseball and we have 159 more games to prove that.

MarySwiss
04-05-2006, 08:20 PM
He was picked up on waivers - and yeah, he was brought up in July... but who needs details? :redneck

Well, pardon me all to hell if I nitpick, boyfriend, but IMO being brought up in July after being picked up on waivers when your team has a lead does not equal being brought in to pitch against a division rival early in the season, having never pitched in the majors.

champagne030
04-05-2006, 08:21 PM
The guy I'm most impressed with on the Tribe so far is Jason Michaels. 4-5 today with a walk, and playing solid defense too. I guess they knew what they were doing when they got rid of Coco.

Did you see him yesterday? He gets terrible jumps on balls. His best role would be as a 4th OF, but great for us that he's their primary LF.

Brian26
04-05-2006, 08:24 PM
Did you see him yesterday? He gets terrible jumps on balls. His best role would be as a 4th OF, but great for us that he's their primary LF.

I didn't see him yesterday. I'm only basing that statement of what I've seen on Sunday night and today.

infohawk
04-05-2006, 08:27 PM
We as fans have to avoid the temptation of thinking we can exactly duplicate last year. 2006 can be just as successful, but it will have its own flow and energy. We wasted some prime scoring opportunities today, but once this club really gets rolling they are going to be a sight to behold.

sox101
04-05-2006, 08:31 PM
ok well wat worries me is how they have already lost their first series when last year they didnt lose 1 till june thats the only thing that worries me

kittle42
04-05-2006, 08:33 PM
ok well wat worries me is how they have already lost their first series when last year they didnt lose 1 till june thats the only thing that worries me

What worries me is your writing style.

sox101
04-05-2006, 08:42 PM
We as fans have to avoid the temptation of thinking we can exactly duplicate last year. 2006 can be just as successful, but it will have its own flow and energy. We wasted some prime scoring opportunities today, but once this club really gets rolling they are going to be a sight to behold.


yea once they get rolling but i agree once they do they will be great but how long could that take no 1 really knows

Unregistered
04-05-2006, 08:43 PM
yea once they get rolling but i agree once they do they be great but how long could that take no 1 really knowshttp://www.grassrootspa.com/uploaded_images/huh-774162.jpg

My head hurts.

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 08:45 PM
I believe 5 of those LOB belong to BA.What's worse is that 8 of them were in the 7th, 8th and 9th inning of a tie game. In both the 7th and 8th they had a runner on 3rd with less than 2 out and couldn't score him. When you do that, you don't deserve to win.

thomas35forever
04-05-2006, 08:45 PM
What really ticked me off was when A.J. swung on the first pitch with the bases loaded in the 9th. You're gonna either pop out or ground out 9 out of 10 times if you do that.

This game reminds me too much of the McCarthy vs. Santana game in September when the Sox left the bases loaded in the 9th of a tie game and they lost it in the 11th.

RadioheadRocks
04-05-2006, 08:46 PM
I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but why wasn't Jason Michaels intentionally walked after that sacrifice bunt in the 11th? He was already 3-for-4 and when I saw AJ crouch behind the plate, I thought sheesh, they're going to pitch to him, and presto... the game winning double. I would have rather taken the bat away from Michaels and taken my chances against Jhonny Peralta, but then that's why I'm here, I guess. Anyway let's get it on track vs. KC.

sox101
04-05-2006, 08:48 PM
did mack really go all the way around it looked like he checked it up
:?:

kittle42
04-05-2006, 08:49 PM
Did Mackowiak really go all the way around? It looked like he checked it up.
:?:

That took me all of 3-4 seconds.

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 08:51 PM
Sox 101:

Capital letters and punctuations are your friend. If you use them you'll actually get some responses...if not.

Sound of crickets chirping.

Lip

NSSoxFan
04-05-2006, 08:51 PM
The thing that I loved about this series is seeing Jim Thome swing the bat. If he can be such a presence in the line-up where he draws IBB, a la Frank, we will be sitting pretty. Of course, this means that Paulie has to get his bat going. I really can't wait to see what these two can do when they are BOTH in the zone.

RealMenWearBlack
04-05-2006, 08:52 PM
yeah, why bring in logan and not cotts to face hafner in the 8th of a one-run game?

this one's on ozzie and ozzie knows it

That was a poor decision by Ozzie, but the offense just left to many guys on base.

sox101
04-05-2006, 08:54 PM
Is there any news on when Crede's going to be back in the line-up, or was that just for today

Brian26
04-05-2006, 08:56 PM
What really ticked me off was when A.J. swung on the first pitch with the bases loaded in the 9th. You're gonna either pop out or ground out 9 out of 10 times if you do that.

I guess 1 out of 10 times, then, Konerko hits a World Series grand slam by swinging at the first pitch.

Ol' No. 2
04-05-2006, 08:56 PM
I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but why wasn't Jason Michaels intentionally walked after that sacrifice bunt in the 11th? He was already 3-for-4 and when I saw AJ crouch behind the plate, I thought sheesh, they're going to pitch to him, and presto... the game winning double. I would have rather taken the bat away from Michaels and taken my chances against Jhonny Peralta, but then that's why I'm here, I guess. Anyway let's get it on track vs. KC.With two out, I think you do. But with one out, unless you get Peralta to GIDP, you're getting Hafner an AB with two on.

Brian26
04-05-2006, 08:57 PM
I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but why wasn't Jason Michaels intentionally walked after that sacrifice bunt in the 11th? He was already 3-for-4 and when I saw AJ crouch behind the plate, I thought sheesh, they're going to pitch to him,

You can't walk Michaels to get to Peralta and Hafner, no matter how hot he is. That's terrible logic.

kittle42
04-05-2006, 08:58 PM
You can't walk Michaels to get to Peralta and Hafner, no matter how hot he is. That's terrible logic.

Agreed. It would be similar to walking Iguchi if he was 3-for-4 to get to Thome. That's just suicide if you play out the percentages.

beckett21
04-05-2006, 09:07 PM
I wasn't able to see the game this afternoon (damn job :redneck), just caught bits and pieces of it on the radio. Sounds like a frustrating afternoon.

Reading through this thread was just about as embarassing as I thought it would be. Good thing the calendar says that it is only April 5th. I think I'll stay off the ledge a little while longer.

The season is 3 games old. Some people either need to relax or go jump on the Cleveland bandwagon already--if they hurry maybe they can catch their charter with them before they skip town.

Some things never change...

:rolleyes:

Layla
04-05-2006, 09:09 PM
We as fans have to avoid the temptation of thinking we can exactly duplicate last year. 2006 can be just as successful, but it will have its own flow and energy. We wasted some prime scoring opportunities today, but once this club really gets rolling they are going to be a sight to behold.

I totally agree.

Before the White Sox were in 1st wire to wire last year, wasn't the 1927 Yankees the only team that did it?

You also need to remember that the celebrations are over. Time to get down to some serious baseball. You know Ozzie is not going to put up with this.

Jjav829
04-05-2006, 09:12 PM
Haha, wow, these threads are gonna be interesting when we actually have a long stretch of bad games. Well, on the bright side, I'm glad to see that we're still going to have the passion this year. I was worried that too many people would fall into the "We won the World Series last year so who cares if we lose this year" mentality.

I have no problem with Ozzie brining in Logan. Cotts would have been the best choice, but Ozzie has to see what Logan and Thornton are made of now. We can't go into May still wondering if Logan and/or Thornton are going to be able to get lefties out. The only problem I had is that I thought Thornton should have been the one.

The offense is bad right now. Pods, PK, Crede and Uribe all got off to slow starts in the first series of the year. Once those four start to come around, especially the first two, we should get a better idea of what our offense will be like this year.

One nice bright spot is that Bmac seems to be adjusting quickly to the relief role. :thumbsup:

sox101
04-05-2006, 09:12 PM
I wasn't able to see the game this afternoon (damn job :redneck), just caught bits and pieces of it on the radio. Sounds like a frustrating afternoon.

Reading through this thread was just about as embarassing as I thought it would be. Good thing the calendar says that it is only April 5th. I think I'll stay off the ledge a little while longer.

The season is 3 games old. Some people either need to relax or go jump on the Cleveland bandwagon already--if they hurry maybe they can catch their charter with them before they skip town.

Some things never change...

:rolleyes:you have to remember most of the fans are expecting them to do the same thing as last year

Viva Medias B's
04-05-2006, 09:12 PM
Before the White Sox were in 1st wire to wire last year, wasn't the 1927 Yankees the only team that did it?

Several teams have done it, IIRC. I know the 1990 Reds were one of them.

IronFisk
04-05-2006, 09:18 PM
I think all this basking in past glory may have been a bit distracting to the boys. Heck, baseball is SUCH a long season. We'll be fine.

INSox56
04-05-2006, 09:20 PM
Pods is the biggest disappointment. Our offense really gets MOST of its momentum by him at least getting on base....he hasn't been a threat to put any pressure on YET. Disappointing, he'd better step it up even a single on base would help.

sox101
04-05-2006, 09:22 PM
Well they should be fine. But there going to have to win at least 95 games, only because their division isn't as easy as last year.

roylestillman
04-05-2006, 09:22 PM
That's not Boooooone they're yelling anymore.

Frustrating game. I don't mean to harp on this, but they still look like they are trying things out like its spring training. Jenks looked better, but was he messing around with some kind of change up?

This may sound stupid, but I'm also convinced that this team - and last year's can't hit when its cold. I'd love to see Konerko's stats when its 50 or below. (Is Lorn Brown still around to get me that one?)

Corlose 15
04-05-2006, 09:28 PM
Haha, wow, these threads are gonna be interesting when we actually have a long stretch of bad games. Well, on the bright side, I'm glad to see that we're still going to have the passion this year. I was worried that too many people would fall into the "We won the World Series last year so who cares if we lose this year" mentality.

I have no problem with Ozzie brining in Logan. Cotts would have been the best choice, but Ozzie has to see what Logan and Thornton are made of now. We can't go into May still wondering if Logan and/or Thornton are going to be able to get lefties out. The only problem I had is that I thought Thornton should have been the one.

The offense is bad right now. Pods, PK, Crede and Uribe all got off to slow starts in the first series of the year. Once those four start to come around, especially the first two, we should get a better idea of what our offense will be like this year.

One nice bright spot is that Fingernails on a blackboard seems to be adjusting quickly to the relief role. :thumbsup:

Very well said. There is going to be a point where Cotts has already been used and they HAVE to use Logan to get a big out. Might as well see what he has now.

This game was extremely frustrating to watch. You have to realize that the Sox are going to have some games where they play like ****. This one sticks out because its at the beginning of the year. Once Pods and Konerko come around things will pick up.

PaulDrake
04-05-2006, 09:30 PM
Several teams have done it, IIRC. I know the 1990 Reds were one of them.The 2005 White Sox are the 5th team to go wire to wire. The others are the 27 Yankees, 55 Dodgers (Brooklyn), 84 Tigers, and 90 Reds.

TheOldRoman
04-05-2006, 09:38 PM
The 2005 White Sox are the 5th team to go wire to wire. The others are the 27 Yankees, 55 Dodgers (Brooklyn), 84 Tigers, and 90 Reds. Yes, and the Sox were the only team other than the 27 Yankees to go wire-to-wire and sweep the world series, for what it's worth.

TaylorStSox
04-05-2006, 09:40 PM
It's pretty obvious. The offense isn't clicking yet. PK's going to get a ton of opportunities hitting behind Thome.

Contreras was impressive. He didn't have good stuff but he battled and pitched through it. I'm real encouraged by his outing.

We're going to have to face the facts. We need to score more runs. Our pen just isn't very good, on paper or on the mound.

I'm not worried. We'll score more runs.

Viva Medias B's
04-05-2006, 09:40 PM
Yes, and the Sox were the only team other than the 27 Yankees to go wire-to-wire and sweep the world series, for what it's worth.

Reds did it too, sweeping the A's. Brooklyn beat New York in 7 games, and Detroit took San Diego in 5.

sox101
04-05-2006, 09:42 PM
Yes, and the Sox were the only team other than the 27 Yankees to go wire-to-wire and sweep the world series, for what it's worth.Well what needs to happen is that they need to forget about last year and get on with this year.Forget about doing that twice it's not going to happen as much as we would like it to.

TheOldRoman
04-05-2006, 09:43 PM
One other thing to keep in mind about good starts. Cleveland has potentially a cup-cake first six weeks. I think 12 or 14 of their first 20 games are against such 'tough' opponents as Kansas City, Baltimore, Detroit and Tampa Bay.

I know anything can happen which is why I said potentially. Let's put it this way I'd much rather face that then say Toronto, Minnesota and Los Angeles which is who the Sox have in April.

All the more reason why you can't piss away games like they did today.

Lip
Hey Lip, guess what. If we play good teams and the Indians play ****ty teams this month, that means there will be a month where we play cupcakes and they play good teams. You have to remember that the schedules are pretty even, except for a series here and there and interleague play (they get the woefull Reds, we get the hapless Cubs). I know you have natural dark cloud tendencies, but this is ridiculous, even for you. You are going WAY overboard today. This game means almost nothing. It is .6% of the season. My god, they are 1 and 2.

TheOldRoman
04-05-2006, 09:44 PM
Reds did it too, sweeping the A's. Brooklyn beat New York in 7 games, and Detroit took San Diego in 5.
Well then, I stand corrected. The World Series video showed an incorrect stat.

JB98
04-05-2006, 09:50 PM
Hey Lip, guess what. If we play good teams and the Indians play ****ty teams this month, that means there will be a month where we play cupcakes and they play good teams. You have to remember that the schedules are pretty even, except for a series here and there and interleague play (they get the woefull Reds, we get the hapless Cubs). I know you have natural dark cloud tendencies, but this is ridiculous, even for you. You are going WAY overboard today. This game means almost nothing. It is .6% of the season. My god, they are 1 and 2.

Also, I'm pretty sure over the course of the next 159 games, the Indians might piss away a game or two with poor offensive execution. Losses like the one we experienced today happen to every team at some point over the course of a long season. That doesn't make it enjoyable for us to watch, but **** happens.

beckett21
04-05-2006, 09:57 PM
you have to remember most of the fans are expecting them to do the same thing as last year

Most sane, reasonable people will realize that the season is only 3 games old.

I don't remember the last time a pennant was decided on April 5th, though I am sure there are a few posters in this thread who would be willing to make that argument.

kittle42
04-05-2006, 09:58 PM
Most sane, reasonable people will realize that the season is only 3 games old.

I don't remember the last time a pennant was decided on April 5th, though I am sure there are a few posters in this thread who would be willing to make that argument.

YOU CAN'T LOSE GAMES LIKE THIS AND EXPECT TO WIN A WORLD SERIES. THEY'RE A WHOLE GAME OUT OF FIRST PLACE...SOON IT WILL BE 10! OZZIE MAKES BAD MOVES. KONERKO AND PODSEDNIK SUCK. AGGGHHHHHH!

CubsfansareDRUNK
04-05-2006, 10:01 PM
I'm sick of hearing "Guys, who cares? We won the world series!" Yeah, that was last year. It's a great feeling to know you are the world champs, but lets just focus on whats happening now. Dwelling on last year will get us no where. Being the 2005 Champs means nothing as of right now. Ozzie even said himself that he wants his players to play like they aren't the champs, and I have to agree with him. I mean, i'm not too upset about today's loss. I guess i just haven't felt defeat in so long, and once that feeling came back, it was too much to handle.

Rudy Law
04-05-2006, 10:09 PM
Okay, let's kill him!

No how a hit or a BB.....You know he isn't 100% and he shouldn't be playing....

chisoxmike
04-05-2006, 10:10 PM
Oh course the game was frustrating, but its only the 3rd game. Calm down everyone. Konerko said after the game that the offense has yet to click, when it does, games like today would have been blow outs and I dont think 14 would've been left on base.

Go get KC this weekend boys!

Rudy Law
04-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Also all you "Oh its just the 3rd game" people...I don't think it is unreasonable to ask a World Champion team to come up with 1 key hit in about 5-7 chances...or for them to have hitters know what they are doing with the bases loaded....

beckett21
04-05-2006, 10:17 PM
YOU CAN'T LOSE GAMES LIKE THIS AND EXPECT TO WIN A WORLD SERIES. THEY'RE A WHOLE GAME OUT OF FIRST PLACE...SOON IT WILL BE 10! OZZIE MAKES BAD MOVES. KONERKO AND PODSEDNIK SUCK. AGGGHHHHHH!

Exactly.

If nothing else, the losing should free up some leg room on the bandwagon in much the same way natural selection thins the herd.

Only the strong survive. :cool:

Cuck the Fubs
04-05-2006, 10:24 PM
Wow,

I have to say after sifting through the last 12 pages, this thread is utterly shocking.

It's 3 games for gods sake.....this is not the Reds or Royals guys. The Indians are a solid ballclub.

It's hard to say any team is buried after 3 games.

Lighten up, there are 159 of these left to go and chances are we'll see at LEAST another 55 losses.

Let's see where the chips fall come late August.....

sox101
04-05-2006, 10:32 PM
Well the sox have to start doing good because if we go in to may with a losing record that could be bad the sox do bad in may.

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 10:36 PM
Roman:

My point on the schedule was the fact that Cleveland in theory has a chance to build up a lead, much as the Sox did early last year and force the other club's to catch them.

That's not easy to do as Cleveland showed last season. Plus as Mark Gonzales has already pointed out the Sox have another bitch of an August.

Personally I think I've been very reasonable today considering I almost took out the friggin' TV when Logan served up that meatball.

:D:

Regarding the posters who say 'we have to see what Logan has sooner or later...' That's true to a point. But you can at least give Logan the opportunity to get acclimated, learn his way around the league and get the shakes out before seeing what he can do. You do that by putting him in non-game situations until he's learned a few things. It's not fair to the team and it's not fair to him. Besides if he can't do the job what can Kenny do in April or May?

Waiting a little bit, giving him a chance to get acclimated is buying time for all concerned. Then if he's simply overmatched in June, Kenny can do something.

Some of you folks think making the jump from A ball to the major leagues is easy. Hell 9 out of 10 pitchers can't make the jump from Triple A which is why I'm not 'blaming' Logan today.

He should never have been in there under those circumstances in the first place.

Lip

JB98
04-05-2006, 10:36 PM
Well the sox have to start doing good because if we go in to may with a losing record that could be bad the sox do bad in may.

Didn't watch last year, did ya? August was our only bad month in '05.

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 10:37 PM
Sox 101:

You're at it again!

:?:

Lip

sox101
04-05-2006, 10:39 PM
Didn't watch last year, did ya? August was our only bad month in '05.I know that im taking all the other years before that into consideration every year besides last year they have had a bad may

sox101
04-05-2006, 10:40 PM
im up to what again

Brian26
04-05-2006, 10:43 PM
Exactly.

If nothing else, the losing should free up some leg room on the bandwagon in much the same way natural selection thins the herd.

Only the strong survive. :cool:

Sort of weird thing happened today after the Sox failed to score in the bottom of the 9th. It seemed like half the crowd got up and left. Granted, it was a 3 hr and 30 minute game at that point, it was freezing, and most of the crowd had been there since around 11am to get their trophies. Your thinning of the herd comment brought back that memory though. The guys behind me started chating "fair weather fans!"

buehrle4cy05
04-05-2006, 10:46 PM
im up to what again

Butchering the English language...

tromcoe
04-05-2006, 10:47 PM
Well at least we got the first brawl out of the way!!!

:redneck

Lip Man 1
04-05-2006, 11:00 PM
Some answers at least...from Mark Gonzales story at Tribune.com:

"Manager Ozzie Guillen used Brandon McCarthy for only one inning because he wanted to protect the right-hander, who threw three innings of relief Sunday night.

And rookie Boone Logan was used in the eighth because he already had warmed up in the seventh.

"I didn't want to sit him down then go with (Neal) Cotts," Guillen said. "Then if something happens I can't use the kid.

"We have to be real careful with those guys. That's why we did it."

It's hard to argue with him since he's trying to protect them but I don't see the harm this early in the season of going with Cotts then if something happens warming Logan up again. It's when you do this repeatedly that it begins to show come July.

Lip

sox101
04-05-2006, 11:13 PM
Well even though they lost I think i was good for ozzy to see what boone could do. I mean if he got him to pop up you would be like logan did a good job and ozzy is smart for doing that.

BeviBall!
04-05-2006, 11:16 PM
guys its the third game of the season in which we are the defending world champions champions are supposed to win most every home game i dont think its too good that we lost to a division rival since division rivals are the games youre supposed to win thankfully we have 16 more games with cleveland although that could be bad you never know

i know you feel me sox101!

DickAllen72
04-05-2006, 11:20 PM
I just hope the Sox don't take KC for granted.

There's no reason to panic after just two losses, but there is no room to be over-confident going into KC & Detroit. The Sox have to play hard and win both of these series on the road. It's not going to be a cake walk.

We need Pods to start getting on base and causing a little havoc on the basepaths. We also need better situational hitting than we saw the past two days.

The Sox should be OK, but they have to get it in gear and not take anything for granted. Let's hope they don't lack that edge that guys like Rowand and Everett used to provide.

That said, I still think the Sox are the favorites to win the division. It should be an exciting summer.

Corlose 15
04-05-2006, 11:43 PM
I think going on the road is just what the doctor ordered for these guys. Let them get away from the hoopla and all the ceremonies and get back into the baseball rythmn. Some of the players, AJ was one of them, mentioned that they wanted to get this stuff over with so they could get into a routine.

http://www.tigersweat.com/images/anim15.jpg
"All is well!"

MrRoboto83
04-05-2006, 11:46 PM
Sizemore and Blake made some great catches today for Cleveland. My question is why didn't Ozzie just leave in McCarthy to pitch the 8th?

kittle42
04-05-2006, 11:47 PM
I know that im taking all the other years before that into consideration every year besides last year they have had a bad may

Ok, either 12 years old or :dtroll:

JB98
04-05-2006, 11:49 PM
Sizemore and Blake made some great catches today for Cleveland. My question is why didn't Ozzie just leave in McCarthy to pitch the 8th?

Because Brandon pitched three innings on Sunday night, and Ozzie didn't want to extend him again on just two-days rest.

Frankfan4life
04-05-2006, 11:52 PM
That was a very disappointing game to sit through. Not only was it FREAKING COLD, but the many missed opportunities the Sox had made me think they were still in ST. However, without Dye and Crede in the lineup, the Sox were not at full strength, so I'm not going to be too down about losing this series and I'll keep a wait and see attitude.

MrRoboto83
04-05-2006, 11:52 PM
Because Brandon pitched three innings on Sunday night, and Ozzie didn't want to extend him again on just two-days rest.

Something tells me that McCarthy is going to be the go to man in the bullpen all year, so far he has looked awesome.

mmmmmbeeer
04-06-2006, 12:03 AM
I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but why wasn't Jason Michaels intentionally walked after that sacrifice bunt in the 11th? He was already 3-for-4 and when I saw AJ crouch behind the plate, I thought sheesh, they're going to pitch to him, and presto... the game winning double. I would have rather taken the bat away from Michaels and taken my chances against Jhonny Peralta, but then that's why I'm here, I guess. Anyway let's get it on track vs. KC.

This was a key at-bat in the game and, although I disagree strongly with your suggestion of walking him, I did think that Ozzie could have handled it differently. Michaels TERRORIZES LHP, something to the tune of .330 against southpaws last season. Jenks was warm in the pen, you gotta pull Cotts. There's still a chance that Jenks blows it but if you're going to play matchups (ie, boone logan against hafner?!?!) then play the damn matchups. Cotts against Michaels was a TERRIBLE matchup from the Sox perspective.

Eh, this loss is nothing big but I can't help getting wrapped up in the games. Although I was left shaking my head at the Logan/Hafner and Michaels/Cotts decisions by Ozzie, most of the team looked rather sluggish the last two days. C. Lee looked pretty good for CLE, as did Mota. Hats off to those guys.

Deuce
04-06-2006, 12:48 AM
:walnuts

"Did you know that I currently have caused more outs than I have at bats... some people would call that a slump, but I prefer to call it the first half of every season, except 2003."

SoxSpeed22
04-06-2006, 12:51 AM
:walnuts

"Did you know that I currently have caused more outs than I have at bats... some people would call that a slump, but I prefer to call it the first half of every season, except 2003."I think you mean 2002.

fuzzy_patters
04-06-2006, 12:53 AM
Unfortunately, I was unable to see the game today so I could be wrong on this. However, I think a lot of you guys are worrying about the wrong things. Did Ozzie make some managing errors today? It's possible, but he also has a proven track record as a World Series manager. Unless it becomes a daily trend, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

What we should be worrying about is Freddy Garcia's velocity. This team lost a heck of a lot of games from 2001-2004 because of weak pitching from one spot in the rotation. We need Freddy to be able to find his stuff. Otherwise, we will have to put McCarthy back in the rotation which would leave a hole in the bullpen. His next start is critical.

Let's gain some perspective here. More than likely, Ozzie Guillen is going to gain us more wins through the trust he shows in his players than he is going to lose us by trusting a few too much. It has worked in the past, and the past suggests it will happen again.

mike squires
04-06-2006, 01:30 AM
Damn, anothr game I'm not so dissapointed I missed. I took some kids I work with to the park. I staed in the van for a minute as they went to play. They walked Thome and up came Konerko. I couldn't leave the kids unsupervised so I turned off the radio knowing I'd come back and hear about a WhiteSox winner. I got to the kids and one had his wagon in the creek and was muddy up to his knees. Little did I know I'd come back to hear that Konerko had **** around his.

IowaSox1971
04-06-2006, 04:09 AM
A few points in respone to posts I have read:

1) We suffered some tough defeats last year, too. We lost excruciating extra-inning games against Minnesota in both August and September. We lost a tough extra-inning game at home to the Angels in September. We also had that game in Kansas City in September where we lost a late 9-4 lead against a horrible team. And we also lost a 5-0, sixth-inning lead at KC in July before suffering a loss in a marathon extra-inning game. Yet, last season turned out OK.

2) Those who say Cotts should have been brought in instead of Logan seem to forget who was the losing pitcher in the game. It was Cotts. So there's definitely no guarantee Cotts would have gotten through the eighth inning unscathed. Logan gave up a homer to a very good hitter. We're still trying to find out who should be in what role in the bullpen, so I don't have a problem with using Logan in a game like this. If we're going to be afraid to use guys, then they won't be able to help us much.

3) We're the only team besides the 1927 Yankees to go wire to wire in first place, end up with the best record in our league and sweep the World Series. The 1990 Reds did not have the best record in the National League.

4) Cleveland is a very, very good team that could win 95 games or more. It's no disgrace to lose two out of three to a team like that, especially one that has a motivational edge. I'm sure the Indians were pointing to this opening series all winter, so I'm not surprised that they won the series. But even though they won it, they only outscored us by a run for the entire series. It's not like we were dominated.

Iguana775
04-06-2006, 07:43 AM
OH NO!!! THERE ARE ONLY 159 GAMES LEFT! WHAT WILL THE SOX DO!!!

:?:

Jurr
04-06-2006, 08:01 AM
OH NO!!! THERE ARE ONLY 159 GAMES LEFT! WHAT WILL THE SOX DO!!!

:?:
Yup. Last year, the whole team came out firing...focused from day one of spring training. This offseason, they've been basking in a new found celebrity. Trips to Oprah, wrestling, etc. This is a good team. They just need to get that baseball focus back. They're fine. :bandance:

Jjav829
04-06-2006, 09:31 AM
:walnuts

"Did you know that I currently have caused more outs than I have at bats... some people would call that a slump, but I prefer to call it the first half of every season, except 2003."

Some people would call it 3 ****ing games...:rolleyes:

batmanZoSo
04-06-2006, 10:02 AM
What's worse is that 8 of them were in the 7th, 8th and 9th inning of a tie game. In both the 7th and 8th they had a runner on 3rd with less than 2 out and couldn't score him. When you do that, you don't deserve to win.

They just couldn't get a clutch hit to save themselves.

Like I said in the Gameday, I think this team will settle in once they go on the road. It has to be hard to stay focused with all that pomp and circumstance going on, plus three sellout crowds right out of the gate, and it shows in their play.

If they continue to look bad in KC, then it's time to worry.

jandm859
04-06-2006, 11:15 AM
Logan in the 8th in a one run game ??? whats that all about???
whatever happened to set-up man in 8th closer in 9th?

chisoxmike
04-06-2006, 11:19 AM
:threadsucks

skobabe8
04-06-2006, 11:20 AM
I dont mind it. See how he fares. Better to throw him in now and get him baptized than to wait.

soxfan13
04-06-2006, 11:26 AM
You are going to eventually find out how he is going to do. I saw nothing wrong with that move.

Chicken Dinner
04-06-2006, 11:34 AM
I wouldn't have done it.......not against Hafner. We all know how Ozzie likes his lefty lefty, righty righty thing.

ondafarm
04-06-2006, 11:38 AM
After reviewing it overnight, I still don't like it but, was I bench coach and the count got to 3-2, I'd have told them to just put him on, don't throw him a cookie. Hafner took the cookie deep. Walking him puts him at first instead of ties the score.

oeo
04-06-2006, 11:52 AM
I wouldn't have done it.......not against Hafner. We all know how Ozzie likes his lefty lefty, righty righty thing.
Definately incorrect there...Ozzie does not go textbook like that, he goes with who he thinks is best for the job. And while I didn't like the move...Boone is going to have to get real major league pitching in eventually. Let him develop, I'm sure he'll never make that mistake again.

Chez
04-06-2006, 12:01 PM
When I saw a lefty warming up in the 6th, I assumed it was Cotts and was very surprised to see Logan come in to face Hafner. I told the folks sitting next to me that I would have gone to Cotts (Hafner then made a prophet out of me). Maybe Ozzie thought he would need Cotts later in the game given the large number of left handed hitters in Cleveland's line-up. I think Ozzie (and KW) is entitled to a huge amount of slack . . . but I would have brought in Cotts to face Hafner.

On an unrelated note, did anyone else notice that Politte topped out at 90 mph? He was regularly reaching 94-5 mph before August last season then seemed to lose some velocity.

Chicken Dinner
04-06-2006, 12:19 PM
Definately incorrect there...Ozzie does not go textbook like that, he goes with who he thinks is best for the job. And while I didn't like the move...Boone is going to have to get real major league pitching in eventually. Let him develop, I'm sure he'll never make that mistake again.

As long as it's lefty lefty righty righty. He goes textbook all the time. Take a look at the line-up the next time a southpaw starts against us.

hawkjt
04-06-2006, 12:20 PM
was a close play but the picture in the Tribune today makes it appear to be way fair , not foul. Now I know that Blake reached out and may have drawn it into fair territory before dropping it but if there was ever a perfectly timed photo it was the one in the trib today with the ump running toward it as the ball fell into fair territory.

Gooch was on second and would have scored the winning run if this call had gone the other way.

Many ways for the sox to win that game but just did not get the big hit.

Did Gooch get a bad jump on that play coming home, or just a great play by the indians 1st baseman, broussard?

That was a painful loss that you kind felt was coming when the sox blew many opportunities to put it in the win column. Beat KC!!