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Chisox_cali
01-17-2002, 04:55 PM
Apparently we picked him up off waivers from Philly today. Anyone know anything about him????

CLEE CHRIS JACQUEZ (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=7770478)

Jerry_Manuel
01-17-2002, 05:01 PM
The native of Panama became the first player in major league history to hit an extra inning grand slam in an interleague game, including the World Series , with his game-winner on June 8 against the Chicago Cubs.


What? Was there another World Series recently? I can only assume they are saying playing the Cubs, is a world series like game.

Jjav829
01-17-2002, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel



What? Was there another World Series recently? I can only assume they are saying playing the Cubs, is a world series like game.

I think what they're saying is that he was the first player to hit an extra inning grand slam in any game vs. a team in the other league, including World Series games. (Not just regular season interleague games)

czalgosz
01-17-2002, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel



What? Was there another World Series recently? I can only assume they are saying playing the Cubs, is a world series like game.

No, they're saying that there had never been a grand slam in interleague play until that point. Not even in the World Series, which is, of course, interleague play.

Jerry_Manuel
01-17-2002, 05:07 PM
Dammit! That's what I get for trying to do 3 things at once. Thanks Czal, and Jjav.

Jjav829
01-17-2002, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
Dammit! That's what I get for trying to do 3 things at once. Thanks Czal, and Jjav.

No Problem. I was confused by it at first, but then I realized what they were saying.

Daver
01-17-2002, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by Jjav829


No Problem. I was confused by it at first, but then I realized what they were saying.

I'm still confused,but I'm just not very bright.

Daver
01-17-2002, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Chisox_cali
Apparently we picked him up off waivers from Philly today. Anyone know anything about him????

CLEE CHRIS JACQUEZ (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=7770478)


Tuesday, Sep. 4 4:47am ET | BATTING STATISTICS
Scranton-Wilkes Barre Pitching Statistics

Player W L S ERA G Gs CG SHO IP H R ER
Jacquez 10 6 0 3.13 33 9 1 0 109.1 100 43 38

His numbers from last year.

guillen4life13
01-17-2002, 07:34 PM
Those numbers aren't bad. If he can develop one more year in AAA, maybe he can make the jump. Sounds like another good pitching prospect to me.

RichH55
01-17-2002, 07:37 PM
How old is the new lefty? Sounds like a page out of the old Scheuler book....can't fault KW for this one(good little aquistions will add up over time)


:KW
Now I make make 4 for 1 pitcher deals


C'est la vie

nut_stock
01-17-2002, 08:00 PM
Hmmmmm. Maybe we'll have some competition durring st between Jacquez and Wunsch.

RichH55
01-17-2002, 08:02 PM
Are my reading skills fading away? I can't seem to find Jacquez's age on this thread and I'm much too lazy to look again....ayudame!

nut_stock
01-17-2002, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by RichH55
Are my reading skills fading away? I can't seem to find Jacquez's age on this thread and I'm much too lazy to look again....ayudame!

according to mlb.com he's 26.

RichH55
01-17-2002, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by nut_stock


according to mlb.com he's 26.

Not too shabby....definately worth taking a shot on...kermit, minor league guys, whats the good word here.....on pitching I step aside for scouts who are in the know

kermittheefrog
01-17-2002, 09:57 PM
He's not really a prospect, he doesn't throw hard and struggled as a starter in the low minors until switched over to relief in AA. He's had some success since, I'd say his upside would be one of those annoying lefties that comes in to face one batter. GRRR - I hate those guys.

kermittheefrog
01-17-2002, 10:00 PM
Hey while digging up information on Jacquez I found this from Penthouse's interview with Pat Burrell:

What's the craziest thing you've ever worn?
Every year the rookies have these things they have to do. First off, I don't wear underwear -- ever! I haven't worn a pair in years. [But as a rookie] I had to wear this little dress. It was tight, and I wasn't wearing underwear. When I walked out of the stadium at [Chicago's] Wrigley Field to get on our bus, there were about 10,000 people laughing at me. Then I had to get on the team plane with this dress on, and it was windy on the runway. I lost a bit of the dress on the way to the plane... At one rookie initiation, my teammate, Thomas Jacquez, had to paint a horse's nuts. There's this statue in Chicago of an Indian riding a horse, and he had to paint the horse's balls red. It was wild.

Daver
01-17-2002, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog
He's not really a prospect, he doesn't throw hard and struggled as a starter in the low minors until switched over to relief in AA. He's had some success since, I'd say his upside would be one of those annoying lefties that comes in to face one batter. GRRR - I hate those guys.

So basically he is Kelly Wunsch.

kermittheefrog
01-17-2002, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by daver


So basically he is Kelly Wunsch.

Not even, Wunsch at least threw pretty hard and was a first round draft pick. Of course he lost some of that velocity when he started throwing sidearm but he had it in the first place. Jacquez is Joe Soft-Tossin Lefty with decent command. Remember Tom Fordham?

Daver
01-17-2002, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog


Not even, Wunsch at least threw pretty hard and was a first round draft pick. Of course he lost some of that velocity when he started throwing sidearm but he had it in the first place. Jacquez is Joe Soft-Tossin Lefty with decent command. Remember Tom Fordham?

I had forgotten him till now,Iand I really didn't need to be reminded of it,thanx for nothing kermit.

bringbackrobin
01-18-2002, 01:10 PM
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. This is a great little pickup off the waiver wire. Tom Jacquez managed a 3.13 ERA as the AAA Red Baron's lefty specialist. He walked 29 in 109.1 innings but also struck out 86. That's a very good ratio for a guy who supposedly doesn't throw hard. It's nice to see KW try to get bullpen depth off of the waiver wire. It doesn't always work, but when it does you have a real bargain. Besides, even if he doesn't make the team, somebody is going to have to bail out Ryan Kohlmeier down in Charlotte.

Huisj
01-18-2002, 05:05 PM
Remember when Fordham got his first start, and he came out and walked the first 3 guys of the game on nothing but high fastballs, and then got taken out? That was brilliant, he said he was too pumped up and excited to throw strikes, and that's why they were all high.

Chisox_cali
01-18-2002, 09:10 PM
TOMMY JAC!!!
http://whitesox.mlb.com/cws/photo/ph_play_mugshot_344924.jpg
"Hey I'm new here"

Daver
01-18-2002, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Chisox_cali
TOMMY JAC!!!
http://whitesox.mlb.com/cws/photo/ph_play_mugshot_344924.jpg
"Hey I'm new here"

Are you sure you don't mean "Knue here?"

kermittheefrog
01-19-2002, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by bringbackrobin
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. This is a great little pickup off the waiver wire. Tom Jacquez managed a 3.13 ERA as the AAA Red Baron's lefty specialist. He walked 29 in 109.1 innings but also struck out 86. That's a very good ratio for a guy who supposedly doesn't throw hard. It's nice to see KW try to get bullpen depth off of the waiver wire. It doesn't always work, but when it does you have a real bargain. Besides, even if he doesn't make the team, somebody is going to have to bail out Ryan Kohlmeier down in Charlotte.

That's actually not a good strikeout rate for a prospect, especially not a reliever. Prospects should have a K/IP ratio of about 1:1 for a reliever closer to 1.5:1. Plus it's not like a pulled it out my ass that he's a soft tosser, I read it about him. I don't just make things up based on the numbers I see.

RichH55
01-19-2002, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog


That's actually not a good strikeout rate for a prospect, especially not a reliever. Prospects should have a K/IP ratio of about 1:1 for a reliever closer to 1.5:1. Plus it's not like a pulled it out my ass that he's a soft tosser, I read it about him. I don't just make things up based on the numbers I see.


Oh I put thought into my posts, I'm a badass:)


Though I always appreciate the insight Kermit...cheers :gulp:

bringbackrobin
01-19-2002, 01:05 PM
Kermit, you are mixing up the concepts of "prospect" and "useful minor league veteran." Stocking your organizations with 26 year old lefties who have had some minor league success hurts nobody and costs next to nothing. Jacquez demonstrated very good control last season with the Red Barons, 29 walks to 86 strikeouts with 0 wild pitches. That's a 2.97 K/BB ratio. Moreover, Jacquez had a Walks Plus Hits Per Innings Pitched Ratio of 1.18. Not bad at all.

Just for the sake of comparison, here are the K/BB ratios and WHIPs for our AAA Knights, minimum 50 innings:

Baptist 2.26 1.52
Bullinger 1.62 1.29
Corbin 1.19 1.45
Fogg 2.77 1.39
Juden 1.17 1.39
Mendoza 2.19 1.39
Porzio 1.75 2.00
Secoda 1.88 1.61
Sinclair 2.48 1.41

Jacquez 2.97 1.18

As you can see, Jacquez had a better K/BB ratio and WHIP than any of them. I don't think he's going to be the next Cy Young, but if Bill Pulsipher is worth taking a flier on then Tom Jacquez certainly is.