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chaotic8512
03-27-2006, 11:59 PM
I have a few questions regarding these two sluggers.

What exactly is it that makes the public and critics so skeptical on Thome's health? Is it strictly age?

If these two back-to-back hitters manage to be healthy all season, where would they rank amongst all the 3-4 combos in the ML? Could they match the power of Ramirez and Ortiz?

chisoxfanatic
03-28-2006, 12:05 AM
What exactly is it that makes the public and critics so skeptical on Thome's health? Is it strictly age?

He's missed quite a bit of the last couple of seasons (last season in particular). Skepticism is to be expected.

Ol' No. 2
03-28-2006, 12:08 AM
I have a few questions regarding these two sluggers.

What exactly is it that makes the public and critics so skeptical on Thome's health? Is it strictly age?

If these two back-to-back hitters manage to be healthy all season, where would they rank amongst all the 3-4 combos in the ML? Could they match the power of Ramirez and Ortiz?For the same reason Dye was labelled "injury prone". Because idiot sportswriters can't be bothered to find out what's actually going on.

fquaye149
03-28-2006, 12:15 AM
If these two back-to-back hitters manage to be healthy all season, where would they rank amongst all the 3-4 combos in the ML? Could they match the power of Ramirez and Ortiz?

Probably not. They could come close...but it's doubtful they could combine for an ops over 2.000

chaotic8512
03-28-2006, 12:17 AM
Probably not. They could come close...but it's doubtful they could combine for an ops over 2.000

Close is all I ask for. :cool:

MisterB
03-28-2006, 01:30 AM
If these two back-to-back hitters manage to be healthy all season, where would they rank amongst all the 3-4 combos in the ML? Could they match the power of Ramirez and Ortiz?

The homer totals should be similar, but Manny&Papi's numbers will likely be better at most everything else.

I see the combos coming out something like:

ThoNerko: .275, 85 hr, 50 2b, 240 rbi
OrMirez: .295, 85, 70, 270

of course if you expand it to 3-4-5 hitters, Dye should be better than whoever the Carmines will be batting in the 5 hole. (Lowell? Nixon? Snow?)

SoxFan76
03-28-2006, 02:36 AM
Yeah I think they could potentially have the best 3-4-5

Thome - .280? 40 110
Konerko - .280 40 110
Dye - .275 30 90

No real high averages, but lots of power and run production.

lostletters
03-28-2006, 03:46 AM
For the same reason Dye was labelled "injury prone". Because idiot sportswriters can't be bothered to find out what's actually going on.

That pretty much sums it up.

Also Thome was injured for all of one season in reality. Calling him injury prone is a bit of a misnomer. He really had his first injuries that took him out for most of the season last year.

Thome is the LEAST of my worries with this team. He seems like he is back to his old form.

itsnotrequired
03-28-2006, 07:00 AM
For the same reason Dye was labelled "injury prone". Because idiot sportswriters can't be bothered to find out what's actually going on.

It is spider bites, right?

Beer Can Chicken
03-28-2006, 08:23 AM
If Thome can duplicate his "injury prone" season of 2004, 42Hrs, 105RBIs, 104 BBs in 143 games, I think the SOX will be more than satisfied.

The ugy misses 1 season, now he is injury prone. Lazy sportwriters is all it is, they have to create an 'identity' for a player or their job is meaningless.

fquaye149
03-28-2006, 09:18 AM
The homer totals should be similar, but Manny&Papi's numbers will likely be better at most everything else.

I see the combos coming out something like:

ThoNerko: .275, 85 hr, 50 2b, 240 rbi
OrMirez: .295, 85, 70, 270

of course if you expand it to 3-4-5 hitters, Dye should be better than whoever the Carmines will be batting in the 5 hole. (Lowell? Nixon? Snow?)

well...it will probably be either pena or varitek, one of whom will LIKELY have better #'s than Dye.

But who cares? Our pitching and defense is light years beyond theirs.

Baby Fisk
03-28-2006, 09:25 AM
What I've read on some other boards about Thome seems to be a not-so-subtle resentment that the Sox scooped him up for some unknown outfielder named Rowand. The ignorance about the Sox among some fans of other teams is incredible. It's not just Cub fans who believe that the Sox got "lucky" last year. Of course, there are idiots out there who are hoping that Thome will get reinjured, because the thought of him ripping 40+ HRs for the Sox is unbearable.

Frater Perdurabo
03-28-2006, 10:57 AM
I have no worries about the Sox 3-4-5. I do have one mild suggestion to spark discussion, however: Would batting Dye third make the heart of the order even more productive? Hear me out:

Konerko is among the slowest non-catcher position players in the league. "Lumberjack" Thome isn't a whole lot faster. Of course they make up for it with their power. But Dye is quite a bit faster than both Paulie and Big Jim.

Might it make sense to bat Dye third, Thome fourth and Konerko fifth?

Dye certainly would see many more fastballs. As a result, his average should increase. With him on base more, he won't clog the basepaths as much as the slower Thome and Konerko. If Thome or Konerko comes to bat with Dye on base, Dye scores from first on a double and from second on a single. Dye takes third from first if Thome or Konerko simply singles to right or center.

However, if Dye bats fifth, if Dye doubles with Thome or Konerko on first, the runner might not score. If Dye singles with Thome or Konerko on second, the runner might not score. If Dye singles with Thome or Konerko on first, the runner probably does not make it to third.

Your thoughts? (Don't cell, sorry sell... :tongue: )

drewcifer
03-28-2006, 12:28 PM
I don't know... Having Thome and Paulie hit 3rd and 4th makes sense to me. Speed in the first two hitters, and you're higher OBP, BB, RBI, and HR power guys follow.

It has the potential to be very much the same formula that Boston uses. Pitchers would be forced with the decision to pitch around batters and risk putting a (or another) man on. Boston was able to punish teams this way.

I don't think Dye in the 3 spot scares anyone, but Paulie or Thome would... particulary with one or two men on.

Dye's batting periphs are just not up to snuff for a 3 spot, but look about right for a #5.

areilly
03-28-2006, 12:51 PM
I have no worries about the Sox 3-4-5. I do have one mild suggestion to spark discussion, however: Would batting Dye third make the heart of the order even more productive?

I think the idea is that Ozzie wants to keep alternating left- and right-handed batters at the top of the order as a way to throw a monkeywrench into the plans of a lot of other managers who bank on their specialist relievers saving the day. Although in a running situation, I would much rather see JD taking a lead than Paulie or Thome.

Jjav829
03-28-2006, 03:11 PM
I have no worries about the Sox 3-4-5. I do have one mild suggestion to spark discussion, however: Would batting Dye third make the heart of the order even more productive? Hear me out:

Konerko is among the slowest non-catcher position players in the league. "Lumberjack" Thome isn't a whole lot faster. Of course they make up for it with their power. But Dye is quite a bit faster than both Paulie and Big Jim.

Might it make sense to bat Dye third, Thome fourth and Konerko fifth?

Dye certainly would see many more fastballs. As a result, his average should increase. With him on base more, he won't clog the basepaths as much as the slower Thome and Konerko. If Thome or Konerko comes to bat with Dye on base, Dye scores from first on a double and from second on a single. Dye takes third from first if Thome or Konerko simply singles to right or center.

However, if Dye bats fifth, if Dye doubles with Thome or Konerko on first, the runner might not score. If Dye singles with Thome or Konerko on second, the runner might not score. If Dye singles with Thome or Konerko on first, the runner probably does not make it to third.

Your thoughts? (Don't cell, sorry sell... :tongue: )

No thanks. I'd rather have the guy who can get on base at a near .400 clip batting 3rd ahead of Konerko and Dye. Yeah, Thome might not score from first on some doubles or from 2nd on some singles, but he's going to be on base a lot more and he will ultimately help generate more runs than Dye and his marginally better speed would.