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Hangar18
03-23-2006, 05:06 PM
The only upside I can think of, is that he is a bit more experienced now, and has a fairly wicked fastball. The downside is we lose ANOTHER experienced lefty for our setup/specialist roles, most likely letting that fall to a couple of Rookies. Boy, our bullpen certainly isnt like it was last year.

MarySwiss
03-23-2006, 05:09 PM
The only upside I can think of, is that he is a bit more experienced now, and has a fairly wicked fastball. The downside is we lose ANOTHER experienced lefty for our setup/specialist roles, most likely letting that fall to a couple of Rookies. Boy, our bullpen certainly isnt like it was last year.

Against. I think it's Bobby's job to lose, and I would seriously doubt that Ozzie is letting the Sox's spring training outings/record make his decision for him.

A. Cavatica
03-23-2006, 05:24 PM
Against.

Chrisaway
03-23-2006, 05:25 PM
For it, but only as a backup plan.

MsSoxVixen22
03-23-2006, 05:26 PM
Against. I think it's Bobby's job to lose, and I would seriously doubt that Ozzie is letting the Sox's spring training outings/record make his decision for him.

I agree with MarySwiss. Against.

Hangar18
03-23-2006, 05:30 PM
If that does indeed happen, Neal Cotts taking over the closers role, it will most likely mean something very bad has happened in the bullpen. Everyone will be out of their "roles" that perfectly happened last season. I said earlier, Jenks has to master his pitch location because the AL will be on to him, and you cant BS anyone in the AL, this is a very tough league to get away with that stuff for long. Ask Billy Koch and Shingo

delben91
03-23-2006, 05:37 PM
I said earlier, Jenks has to master his pitch location because the AL will be on to him, and you cant BS anyone in the AL, this is a very tough league to get away with that stuff for long. Ask Billy Koch and Shingo

When Jenks is on he regularly is 97-99 on his fastball with the ability to top 100, and has a vicious 12-6 biting curve. I assume this is the "BS" you refer to.

Hangar18
03-23-2006, 05:49 PM
When Jenks is on he regularly is 97-99 on his fastball with the ability to top 100, and has a vicious 12-6 biting curve. I assume this is the "BS" you refer to.

the BS I referred to, NOT Locating his pitches. Yes, when he has this stuff, hes tough to beat.

oeo
03-23-2006, 05:51 PM
If Jenks doesn't get it together, I'm all for Cotts closing. It is his job to lose, and he is losing it...we don't need blown saves to start out the season. Whatever is best for the team, and if Jenks can't get the job done, then as much as I hate to say it, he shouldn't get the job. Nothing was guaranteed for him, and he should know that.

thomas35forever
03-23-2006, 05:55 PM
Until Bobby started getting lit up, I would have said against. Now, I'm on the fence about it. But remember, spring training is about seeing what guys can do, not about whether your team wins or loses.

soxinem1
03-23-2006, 05:58 PM
If need be, I think he can handle it, though Cotts has control issues too.

What other choice would there be on the roster?

TomBradley72
03-23-2006, 06:18 PM
If Jenks doesn't turn it around over the next week or so...I'd make the move. Watching the spring training games...Jenks is pretty much wheezing/huffing/puffing out there...he needs time to get in shape and we can't afford to have a bunch of Billy Koch-like blown saves in April.

If Jenks gets his act together over the next week...keep the move as a back up plan.

Bobbo35
03-23-2006, 08:52 PM
The only upside I can think of, is that he is a bit more experienced now, and has a fairly wicked fastball. The downside is we lose ANOTHER experienced lefty for our setup/specialist roles, most likely letting that fall to a couple of Rookies. Boy, our bullpen certainly isnt like it was last year.

I think that he is good insurance if Bad Bobby Jenks pulls a Shingo of last year. I am not a dark cloud though, Bobby will be fine.

JB98
03-23-2006, 10:20 PM
Stick with Jenks. I'm not going to pull the plug on the guy who recorded the last out of the World Series over a couple of bad outings in spring training.

If he blows multiple save opportunites the first couple weeks of the season, then we'll talk about it.

HotelWhiteSox
03-23-2006, 10:28 PM
I'm going to give Bobby a chance in the regular season. But yeah, Cotts would be my back up plan, that is why I drafted him when no closers were left with one of my last picks in a yahoo league :wink:

Jjav829
03-23-2006, 10:36 PM
Against it for now. We need Jenks to be the closer and be effective. If Cotts is forced into closing, it completely screws up our pen as everyone moves up in the bullpen rotation. Suddenly we're relying on Logan/Thornton as our primary lefty reliever in the 7th and 8th innings. Jenks, if he isn't going to close, basically gets pushed back into a long relief role. Politte has to be relied on much more. Basically, our bullpen becomes a mess. Jenks has to be effective and he needs to be given every chance to do that. The only thing that would help save our pen if Jenks is awful is Hermanson being able to pitch and pitch well.

Banix12
03-23-2006, 10:38 PM
Currently against. If during the season one of the other left handed setup men steps up and shows they can do an adequate job then I think I would agree with it. As of right now with the erratic Thornton and the young Logan from the left side I want Cotts available to go anytime during the game.

I think I might try out McCarthy at the position if Jenks falters during the season. He has some of the best stuff in the pen. We already know he takes a little longer to get ready in the bullpen. If he knows that he will be going in during the ninth he can actually set up a routine about what time he has to get up and start throwing.

Daver
03-23-2006, 10:47 PM
A closer needs to be consistently in the strike zone, or make the batter think it is in the zone, Cott's has issues with that consistency.

Politte would be a better candidate.

1951Campbell
03-23-2006, 11:04 PM
I'm in favor of doing what we did last year.

As of Opening Day, someone has to be closer. Let's go with Jenks. He ended last year, at the very least.

If he flames out, go to option two. It almost doesn't matter who option two is. But go to him. Stick with him if/until he flames out. Repeat if necessary.

This is essentially the system the Sox used last year. I've made this distinction before: having three guys close by committee is dumb, but if you tell a guy he has the job until he's hurt or ****s up, that's a totally different--and better--philosophy, in my opinion, even if that means three guys end up closing during the close of the season.

kravdog
03-23-2006, 11:09 PM
2005 - shingo, hermi, jenks
2006 - jenks, neal, __(mr. williams, who are you going to insert here?)__

rowand33
03-23-2006, 11:56 PM
2005 - shingo, hermi, jenks
2006 - jenks, neal, __(mr. williams, who are you going to insert here?)__

Hideo Nomo.

In all serious, I'd say Politte.

SoxSpeed22
03-24-2006, 12:21 AM
Plan A: Jenks
Plan B: Politte
Plan C: Cotts
Plan D: We're screwed.

Even though I don't like any of the plans under A.

StockdaleForVeep
03-24-2006, 01:02 AM
against

i want cotts to be our rich harden

Steelrod
03-24-2006, 07:10 AM
If Bobby continues to lose the strike zone, count on it!
This is not last year and don;t look to run away with it. Early games count as much as late ones. We are no longer under the radar.

soxfanatlanta
03-24-2006, 07:32 AM
As of today: against. Ask me again in 3 weeks.

White Sox Randy
03-24-2006, 08:11 AM
STOP BEING A DARK CLOUD. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE BULLPEN. DARK CLOUD.


Now, back to reality. Yes, if for some reason Jenks can't close, Cotts is the viable alternative. Yes, that would affect the rest of the bullpen but it might be fine.

I don't think that it's the order as much as having 5 guys that you can count on to consistently pitch well.

drewcifer
03-24-2006, 10:56 AM
Bad start for sure, but he's only 8 appearances and 8 IP so far. He can still turn things around.

Keeping optimistic for now.

Uncle_Patrick
03-24-2006, 11:07 AM
For now, I agree, its Jenks job to lose. Honestly, I'm really disappointed in the guy for not taking care of himself over the winter.

I totally disagree with people citing Politte as a back up option for closer. He is great in the 7th or 8th inning, but he always struggles in the 9th. He's even admitted that he has a problem pitching in the 9th. There is a certain mentality to getting those last 3 outs that I suspect Politte doesn't have. He's a great set up man, but there's no way I want him to close.

Chicken Dinner
03-24-2006, 11:32 AM
The bottom line is that to be an effective closer you MUST throw strikes. Walks are unacceptable in the 9th inning. If Jenks can get the ball over the plate, he'll be fine. If not, then the search will continue.

esbrechtel
03-24-2006, 01:10 PM
picking up thome we wont need a closer we will be ahead by so many runs!
I also would have to say politte would be our best option if bobby goes bad, but i have faith in him, he has been working hard in the off season and he has like 9 more ST games to get his stuff ready he has a week and a half im sure he will light it up on opening day!

miker
03-24-2006, 01:19 PM
If he's the only reliever throwing strikes and getting guys out, I'm all for it.

However, if he's the only reliever throwing strikes and getting guys out, we've got a problem! :o:

Ol' No. 2
03-24-2006, 01:36 PM
Doesn't anyone want to at least wait until the real games start before changing things around?

:jerry It's never too soon to start tinkering.