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0o0o0
03-17-2006, 11:28 AM
since football would be too easy because most of us are probably bears fans, i decided to put together my all-bust mlb team. feel free to suggest some "free agents" i can pick up

1B - Dave McCarty (Twins)
2B - Ty Griffin (Scrubs)
SS - Pat Listach (Brewers)
3B - Sam Horn (Red Sox)
C - Matt Nokes (Tigers)
OF - Mike Kelly (Yankees)
OF - Jerome Walton (Scrubs)
OF - Nigel Wilson (Marlins?)
P - Brien Taylor (Yankees)
P - Dave Neid (Rockies)
P - Ben McDonald (Orioles)
P - Roger Salkeld (Mariners)
P - Pat Combs (Phillies)
P - Willie Banks (Twins)
P - Andy Benes (Padres)
P - Kerry Wood (Scrubs)
Bench - Kevin Maas (Yankees)
Bench - Phil Plantier (Red Sox)
Bench - Shawn Abner
Bench - Jeffrey Hammonds (Orioles)
Bench - Chad Mottola (Reds)

Iwritecode
03-17-2006, 11:30 AM
Matt Karchner
Jon Rauch
Joe Borchard
Mark Prior?
Kerry Wood?

Tekijawa
03-17-2006, 11:32 AM
I don't think an All-Bust team would be legit without Scott Ruffcorn...

Madvora
03-17-2006, 11:37 AM
Matt Karchner
Jon Rauch
Joe Borchard
Mark Prior?
Kerry Wood?
Jon Rauch is perfect!

Jerko
03-17-2006, 11:50 AM
Joe Charbonneau
Brooks Keishnick
Tuffy Rhodes
Kevin Bell
Bill (I think) Pulsifer (he and Isringhausen were a pre Wood and Proir Wood and Prior)
Lorenzo Barcelo
Julio Ramirez
Austin Kearns (so far)

palehozenychicty
03-17-2006, 11:53 AM
Darren Dreifort has GOT to be on that list. He made 5/$55 million while spending 4 of those years on the DL. unbelieveable.

Clembasbal
03-17-2006, 01:30 PM
1B - Dave McCarty (Twins)
2B - Ty Griffin (Scrubs)
SS - Pat Listach (Brewers)
3B - Sam Horn (Red Sox)
C - Matt Nokes (Tigers)
OF - Mike Kelly (Yankees)
OF - Jerome Walton (Scrubs)
OF - Nigel Wilson (Marlins?)
P - Brien Taylor (Yankees)
P - Dave Neid (Rockies)
P - Ben McDonald (Orioles)
P - Roger Salkeld (Mariners)
P - Pat Combs (Phillies)
P - Willie Banks (Twins)
P - Andy Benes (Padres)
P - Kerry Wood (Scrubs)
Bench - Kevin Maas (Yankees)
Bench - Phil Plantier (Red Sox)
Bench - Shawn Abner
Bench - Jeffrey Hammonds (Orioles)
Bench - Chad Mottola (Reds)

The sad thing is I have about 95% of these guys' rookie cards.

Heck I can name about 50 more names, but sad is the only word I have for these guys.

goofymsfan
03-17-2006, 01:44 PM
I have to add Ryan Anderson who was a number 1 pick for the M's and failed go any where do to injury and lack of work ethic.

SoxFan76
03-17-2006, 04:25 PM
Bubba Trammell?

I remember having his rookie card and it was worth something. Now you don't hear from the guy.

MVP
03-17-2006, 04:40 PM
What about the highly touted Cub 3B Gary Scott. Anybody remember that guy?......... My point exactly! He was about as big of a bust as I've ever seen. On the White Sox side, you can add Daryll Boston to that list. He never made the most of his talent.

EastCoastSoxFan
03-17-2006, 04:50 PM
:fobbgod:
"FOBB's, where's the love? Come on, I would definitely lead the all-bust team in OPS..."

SpammySosa
03-17-2006, 05:08 PM
Todd Van Poppel

Hawkeroo1980
03-17-2006, 05:19 PM
ruffcorn

I'd have to place my Vote for Robert Fick and Kaz Matsui:supernana:

TommyJohn
03-17-2006, 06:30 PM
This one's going back a bit, even before my time: Dave Nicholson. He was
supposed to be the next Mickey Mantle. Well, he had a blonde crewcut and
once hit a 500+ foot bomb out of Comiskey Park. That's where the similarities
end.

And what about Julio Cruz? Had a great 1983 season, was one of the MVP's
of the team. He signed a big contract after the season, then fizzled.

0o0o0
03-17-2006, 06:56 PM
The sad thing is I have about 95% of these guys' rookie cards.

same here. future stars, rated rookies, topps all rookies with the trophy. i think it's say to say they were a little bit off on some of those guys.

RKMeibalane
03-17-2006, 07:00 PM
Roberto Kelly (New York Yankees)
Steve Avery (Atlanta Braves)
Milt Cuyler (Detroit Tigers)
Troy Neel (Oakland Athletics)
Kevin Reimer (Texas Rangers)
Hensley Meullens (New York Yankees)
Chris Snopek (Chicago White Sox)
Karl Rhodes (Chicago Cubs)
Kevin Foster (Chicago Cubs)
Kevin Roberson (Chicago Cubs)
Gary Scott (Chicago Cubs)
Eddie Zambrano (Chicago Cubs)
Kevin Orie (Chicago Cubs)
Brant Brown (Chicago Cubs) (Ohhh, nooo!)
Ozzie Canseco (St. Louis Cardinals)
Brett Barbarie (Montreal Expos)
Ruben Mateo (Texas Rangers)
Scott Eyre (Chicago White Sox)
Al Martin (Pittsburgh Pirates)
Travis Lee (Arizona Diamondbacks)
Royce Clayton (San Francisco Giants) (Was there ever any doubt?)
Felix Jose (St. Louis Cardinals)
Gregg Jefferies (New York Mets)
Anthony Young (New York Mets) (24 Straight Losses)
Butch Huskie (New York Mets)
Bull Pulsipher (New York Mets)
Paul Wilson (New York Mets)
Alex Arias (Chicago Cubs) (Notice the trend?)

ScottyTheSoxFan
03-17-2006, 08:39 PM
Josh Paul
Mike Caruso
Mario Valdez
Bobby Hill
Pat Cline
Carlos Castillo


Our once future outfield
Mike Cameron - the only player that panned out
Brian Simmons - david wells trade
Jeff Abbott - ?

SoxxoS
03-17-2006, 09:51 PM
Josh Paul
Mike Caruso
Mario Valdez
Bobby Hill
Pat Cline
Carlos Castillo


Our once future outfield
Mike Cameron - the only player that panned out
Brian Simmons - david wells trade
Jeff Abbott - ?

:hawk

"Dad gum Abbott changed his swing. I thought he was poised for greatness."

Lip Man 1
03-17-2006, 10:24 PM
Matt Nokes shouldn't be on that list. He had a decent career...made the All-Star team if I'm not mistaken and hit I think 30 home runs one season. He was in the league for at least 8 or 9 years, that's not a bust.

Now if you want 'bust' try these Sox first round draft picks on for size:

1965 - Ken Piesha
1967 - Dan Haynes
1969 - Ted Nicholson
1972 - Mike Ondina
1984 - Tom Hartley
1985 - Kurt Brown
1986 - Grady Hall
1992 - Eddie Pearson
1993 - Scott Christman
1999 - Jason Strumm

All of these guys never spent one day on a major league roster!

And these first round draft picks by the Sox weren't so hot either, although they at least made the bigs...

1970 - Lee 'Bee-Bee' Richard
1971 - Danny Goodwin
1973 - Steve Swisher
1974 - Larry Monroe
1980 - Cecil Espy
1981 - Daryl Boston
1983 - Joel Davis
1984 - Tony Menendez
1991 - Scott Ruffcorn
1995 - Jeff Liefer
1996 - Bobby Seay
1997 - Jason Dellaero
1999 - Matt Ginter
2000 - Joe Borchard

The moral of the story is that the draft is an 'inexact' science.

Lip

eastchicagosoxfan
03-17-2006, 11:01 PM
Joel Skinner and Daryl Boston. Skinner was supposed to suplant Fisk in the mid-eighties. Boston was tremendously talented, and stuck around for ten years on potential alone. And why wasn't the last play of the World Series Caruso to Konerko? So many are chosen, yet only a handful of guys are actually talented enough, motivated enough, and lucky enough to stay healthy, to have a decent career. Lip is right when he calls it an inexact science. I'm acquainted with two current members of the Dodgers. One is a potential Hall of Famer, and the other was a first round sandwich pick. The guy looking at Cooperstown was drafted in the 17th round.

Brian26
03-17-2006, 11:24 PM
Russ Morman.

Lip Man 1
03-17-2006, 11:25 PM
East Chicago:

This is why I never have any problems or reservations about trading practically anyone in a minor league system if I can get guys who have a track record of performance at the major league level.

To me that's simply worth more then 'potential.'

Lip

TommyJohn
03-18-2006, 09:29 AM
When I typed my response, I only put in two because I couldn't think of
any more at the moment. Now it all comes back as I see names like
"Bee Bee" Richard and Steve Swisher. Swish's great claim to fame is that
he went to the Cubs along with Steve Stone in that great Ron Santo
trade.

mccombe_35
03-18-2006, 10:46 AM
I was just about to jump in & defend Nokes & then I came across Lip's post. Nokes had a decent career, especiallt for a catcher. I guess people think of him as a bust because he had a very good year at 23 years old & never came close to those #s again.

Fun thread!

0o0o0
03-18-2006, 12:06 PM
I was just about to jump in & defend Nokes & then I came across Lip's post. Nokes had a decent career, especiallt for a catcher. I guess people think of him as a bust because he had a very good year at 23 years old & never came close to those #s again.

Fun thread!

yeah, you're right. i think i just put him on there cause i hated him cause i had a ton of his cards and they all kept going down in price and he was always on the "cold list" in all the becketts. which leads me to the question of why some guys were on the hot and cold lists at the same time? that always made me mad.

MVP
03-18-2006, 08:35 PM
Billy Beane. He was one of the biggest busts of all time. He'll tell you so.

TDog
03-19-2006, 05:14 AM
...
The moral of the story is that the draft is an 'inexact' science.

Lip

... especially when you factor in Carlos May, Harold Baines, Frank Thomas, Robin Ventura, Jack McDowell and Alex Fernandez. It's not all bust. And while Ron Karkovice didn't have a first-round career, he played an important role for the Six for a while. I'm not so sure the Six first-round success is so different from any other team's. Pitchers are particularly vulnerable to career-ending injuries. That was more true a few years ago. I've talked to people who can remember when Larry Monroe was an awesome pitcher.

I chuckled, though, when I went over the list because I remember attending a minor league game in 1988 where Steve Swisher was managing against a team that was starting Grady Hall. Some of these busts are actually great guys who worked hard to keep alive the dream of a career in baseball.

Hagan
03-20-2006, 12:41 PM
Ruben Rivera
Josh Hamilton
Ben Grieve
Brian L. Hunter
and Juan Cruz all have a shot at making the list.

The Critic
03-20-2006, 04:21 PM
Ricky Ledee
Hee Sop Choi
Bobby Hill

Hangar18
03-20-2006, 04:23 PM
Hee Sop Choi
Bobby Hill


man ..... Hee Flop Choi got a ton of ink in this town, we were treated to weekly updates on the Korean media in Chicago, etc etc.

palehozenychicty
03-20-2006, 04:29 PM
man ..... Hee Flop Choi got a ton of ink in this town, we were treated to weekly updates on the Korean media in Chicago, etc etc.

He did get a lot of hype, and had slow bat speed with three different teams. Had a good WBC for Korea, though, so who knows?

DrummerGeorgefan
03-20-2006, 09:24 PM
Former Reds Catcher Joe Oliver

MVP
03-22-2006, 11:56 AM
Jeff Jackson (The Sox almost drafted him instead of Frank Thomas.)
Eddie Pearson
Beji Gil
Monty Farris

34 Inch Stick
03-23-2006, 03:58 PM
Morganna the Kissing Bandit.

TDog
03-23-2006, 07:18 PM
Morganna the Kissing Bandit.

I remember as a kid (I don't know if it was 1969, '70 or '71) when WGN made it a point of not showing fans running onto the field. They would talk about the disruption while the camera was showing the scoreboard. Jack Brickhouse used to say you won't get your picture on television and you'll go to jail.

WGN had no problem showing Morganna Roberts in a game against the Reds. ... and talking about her bust. I always considered that hypocritical.

HChappasJr
03-23-2006, 08:55 PM
How 'bout Brad Komminsk? Great minor-leaguer who never could put it all together in "The Show."

soxinem1
03-23-2006, 09:05 PM
How 'bout Brad Komminsk? Great minor-leaguer who never could put it all together in "The Show."

Oh yeah, Hammerin' Hank Aaron said Brad would be beter than Dale Murphy. He was, at AAA.

White Sox fans from the 70's should remember Danny Goodwin, twice drafted #1 first by the Sox (who he refused to sign with) then by the Angels four years later, who he did sign with. Glad he never signed here, he sucked big time.

Ty Griffin across town.

One of my favorites: Brien Taylor w/NYY. Big bonus, then falls and hurts his shoulder before his pro debut. Never made it past A ball, I believe.

The great John Elway, also w/NYY. George gave John, what, a million dolar bonus in the early 80's, and an out clause. He took the out clause, and the money. The rest is history.

Domeshot17
03-24-2006, 01:22 AM
few others

Drew Henson (works both with mlb and nfl i guess)

Brant Brown

Aforementioned The space needle (remember the randy johnson hype he got) and Tod Van Poppel.

Shane Spencer

Corey Patterson (although he still has room to turn it around)

John Rocker

And IMO maybe a top 5 bust ever.....TOE NASH. This kid was all set to be a poster child for going from high school drop out to the next babe ruth, then he gets put in jail for rape. Sad Story

RadioheadRocks
03-24-2006, 01:30 AM
Morganna the Kissing Bandit.


Ba-da-boom, Tishhhhhhhhhhh

MVP
03-24-2006, 12:13 PM
How 'bout Brad Komminsk? Great minor-leaguer who never could put it all together in "The Show."

Definitely has to be a starter on the all-bust team.

TomBradley72
03-24-2006, 05:15 PM
Nyls Nyman
Harry Chappas
Ricky Seilheimer
Karl Pagel