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Hangar18
03-06-2006, 11:18 AM
At one point, I thought it would be Anderson in CF, but the revamped offense afforded us to ease him into the lineup. I think the biggest question is Jenks and has he learned some control in the offseason. This will be his 2nd time around in the AL, and as you know, you cant get away with smoke-and-mirrors in the American League.

MsSoxVixen22
03-06-2006, 11:22 AM
This is just me but I'm going to say Brian Anderson and seeing how he's going to be in center field. From what I heard about the game Saturday he didn't look all that great. Hopefully that changes

patbooyah
03-06-2006, 11:22 AM
http://www.nostalgiccandy.com/store/images/products/oh_henry2.JPG
in what league can you get away with smoke and mirrors? :cool:

mack has done really well this spring (in all of six games), which makes me feel better about putting together an outfield.

my biggest concern is the LHP spot, but i am excited to see this boone logan kid throw.

SOecks
03-06-2006, 11:23 AM
I'd agree with Jenks, but on a more broad standpoint I'd say our bullpen and whether they can keep up the excellent work from last year and if we'll need another lefty to help Cotts. That, and having the mute Harold as first base coach. :tongue:

MsSoxVixen22
03-06-2006, 11:26 AM
I'd agree with Jenks, but on a more broad standpoint I'd say our bullpen and whether they can keep up the excellent work from last year and if we'll need another lefty to help Cotts. That, and having the mute Harold as first base coach. :tongue:


Yeah, good call! It's gonna be really interesting to see (not hear :tongue: ) Baines as 1st base coach.

ondafarm
03-06-2006, 11:27 AM
Health and fitness. Can the Sox stay healthy? Last year put quite a strain on the pitching and a lot of extra innings of work. This years hitting won't be all mash so the pitching will have to be good for awhile/ most of the season. That's a load.

Chicken Dinner
03-06-2006, 11:30 AM
I think the biggest question mark is why can't the Sox win in Tucson?? Tempe on Wednesday, maybe that will change things.

Hangar18
03-06-2006, 11:39 AM
in what league can you get away with smoke and mirrors? :cool:


The national league.

Rooney4Prez56
03-06-2006, 11:55 AM
I think the biggest question mark is why can't the Sox win in Tucson?? Tempe on Wednesday, maybe that will change things.

I was wondering the same thing.

Flight #24
03-06-2006, 12:04 PM
At one point, I thought it would be Anderson in CF, but the revamped offense afforded us to ease him into the lineup. I think the biggest question is Jenks and has he learned some control in the offseason. This will be his 2nd time around in the AL, and as you know, you cant get away with smoke-and-mirrors in the American League.

Yes, but you CAN get away with absolutely terrifying smoke and a devastating curveball.

Shingo = Smoke & Mirrors
Jenks = Pure Smoke

Rooney4Prez56
03-06-2006, 12:17 PM
Yes, but you CAN get away with absolutely terrifying smoke and a devastating curveball.

Shingo = Smoke & Mirrors
Jenks = Pure Smoke

I'll agree with that.

patbooyah
03-06-2006, 12:20 PM
The national league.

i know, old friend. the teal was meant to indicate that i already knew the answer to the question.

Jjav829
03-06-2006, 12:28 PM
I think the biggest question mark is why can't the Sox win in Tucson?? Tempe on Wednesday, maybe that will change things.

The Rockies and D'backs are clearly just better teams. Good thing we don't have to worry about them in the regular season. Let's see what happens when we play a team other than the Rockies or D'backs.

Lip Man 1
03-06-2006, 12:30 PM
The biggest question is still the bullpen overall... specifically the back end of it and Hermanson's health.

Things should get much clearer on this in the next ten days one way or the other. Then we'll see what if anything, Kenny has to do.

Lip

Tekijawa
03-06-2006, 12:47 PM
My biggest Concern is how long will I have to wait in line for things... Bathroom, Nachos, Beer, Etc... I don't think this team has any really HUGE holes to worry about. I'm also Concerned with the Green seats, I hope they're as comfortable as the Blue ones were last year.

Minnie Me
03-06-2006, 01:06 PM
Biggest problem is how that Willie Harris is gone we have holes at:
2nd Base
CF
Pitch Run
Pitch Hit
Clubhouse Chemistry

Chisox003
03-06-2006, 01:08 PM
The biggest question is still the bullpen overall... specifically the back end of it and Hermanson's health.

Things should get much clearer on this in the next ten days one way or the other. Then we'll see what if anything, Kenny has to do.

Lip
No doubt about it, the Pen is my biggest concern right now.

Other than that, we're good to go.

Minnie me, that act is gettin old reeeeal fast.

TomBradley72
03-06-2006, 01:13 PM
1. Dan Ryan construction

2. The incomplete installation of the green seats.

3. Seriously...I'll be keeping an eye on their hunger and focus as the season begins. The difference between winning (or losing) a ton of 1-run games is very small. It's so hard to repeat. How will they respond if they are off to a slow start? If the starting pitching isn't quite there? If the offense can't get ramped up? They have great team chemistry and leadership...but there's a reason not many team repeat.

Baby Fisk
03-06-2006, 01:15 PM
Biggest problem is how that Willie Harris is gone we have holes at:
2nd Base
CF
Pitch Run
Pitch Hit
Clubhouse Chemistry
1. Wrong
2. mebbe
3. Wrong
4. Wrong
5. Wrong

hold2dibber
03-06-2006, 01:21 PM
I'd list my concerns as follows:

(1) Bullpen -- Jenks, Cotts, Hermanson, Politte all had career years in '05. I know Jenks and Cotts are young (so a "career year" doesn't mean as much) but these guys were all outstanding last year and will need to be awfully good this year as well. Plus, McCarthy in a relief role is a bit of a question mark and there's only one lefty (so far).

(2) Health - Thome, the starting rotation, Jenks, Hermanson, Pods, Crede -- all concern me to one degree or another. If the Sox can stay on the field and out of the trainer's room, they have a chance to be very good again.

(3) Chemistry/intangibles - Although I like the character of this team and I'm certain that Ozzie will keep after it hard this season, 1/3 of last season's team is gone and you never know for sure how that is going to play in the clubhouse. How will they handle the high expectations? How will they handle adversity? Last year I think the lack of respect played a big factor in the team's ultimate success. Now they're the darlings of the media, the park will be filled virtually every night and anything short of a playoff appearance will certainly be considered a failure. That changes the stakes and changes the mind-set. Hopefully they'll be up to the challenge.

NoNeckEra
03-06-2006, 01:51 PM
All you can hope for in any baseball season is to simply make the playoffs.
There is little advantage to the best record, or winning the division vs. getting in as a wild card. So my main worry is too lofty expectations.

SoxFan76
03-06-2006, 01:58 PM
Injuries are a concern for every team. You really can't dwell on that.

I have faith in Anderson, plus the Sox also have Owens and Mackowiak if things go bad.

My biggest concern is the jokers trying out for the last bullpen spot. Every single one of them has been brutal. I don't mind when the guys guaranteed to make the team get lit up, because usually they may focus on just trying to get a certain pitch over, focus on working inside, etc. These guys trying to make the roster should be going balls to the walls trying to impress Ozzie. But they haven't shown Ozzie, or anybody else for that matter, squat.

soxinem1
03-06-2006, 01:58 PM
I hate to say this, but the bullpen just looks sort of limp. Hermanson's back, Politte's loss in velocity, another lefty and righty,and Jenks conditioning worry me. For some reason, personal issues aside, I just don't think this guy took his off-season too serious, and Ozzie is already talking about the weight issue.

I am reminded of the 1984 White Sox, who had a good ST, what was rated as such a great rotation, then added Tom Seaver and was so deep it afforded them the option of openng the season with Britt Burns in the pen. Does this sound familiar?

Except for the 25 inning game (and Ron Reed in that contest) the pen stunk all year, blew leads regularly, and was just plain innefective. Plus, that was at a time when the team had over 40 CG's in a season, compared to the 10-12 they figure to get now.

I think KW should concentrate on both a lefty and righty for the pen. Taking into consideration that Cotts, Hermanson, and Politte combined for a 2.00 ERA last year, even if they are effective that will NOT happen again.

NoNeckEra
03-06-2006, 02:06 PM
Does anyone know if the Sox have ever gone to the postseason in consecutive years? Did we do it in the teens?

Just found a media guide, and we haven't. That is too scary, and it has to stop this year!

lostletters
03-06-2006, 02:21 PM
My biggest concern is the health of the team, but unlike some teams we have an excellant training and coaching staff.

My second concern is the bullpen. Getting a person to fill in that specialist/long reliever role.

As far as losing these spring training games, I am not concerned. Ozzie has been using alot of minor league players and invitees. I would be more concerned if we were losing like this a week to 10 days before the start of the regular season.

But right now it is just guys knocking off some rust and some minor league pitchers getting a shot on the roster.

doublem23
03-06-2006, 02:28 PM
Biggest question for me is "Will I make it one more month?" The suspense is killing me!

Chicken Dinner
03-06-2006, 02:41 PM
Does anyone know if the Sox have ever gone to the postseason in consecutive years? Did we do it in the teens?

Just found a media guide, and we haven't. That is too scary, and it has to stop this year!

No unless you count the strike year which they won their division but there was no post season.

http://baseball-almanac.com/teams/wsox.shtml

AnkleSox
03-06-2006, 03:51 PM
Pitch Run
Pitch Hit


We'll only have to worry about our pitchers hitting and running during interleague play.

0o0o0
03-06-2006, 04:00 PM
We'll only have to worry about our pitchers hitting and running during interleague play.

:rolling:

SoLongFrank
03-06-2006, 04:27 PM
Centerfield. Rowand plays were the difference between winning & losing in about 20 games alone last year. Anderson's got more talent & a much stronger throwing arm but his instincts are questionable.

Bullpen. Most of it flew under the radar last year.

SoxFan76
03-06-2006, 04:55 PM
Centerfield. Rowand plays were the difference between winning & losing in about 20 games alone last year. Anderson's got more talent & a much stronger throwing arm but his instincts are questionable.

Bullpen. Most of it flew under the radar last year.

I have NO room to talk here, but I've read the exact opposite. Anderson is the more "natural" centerfielder of the 2.

Infallible
03-06-2006, 05:18 PM
I have NO room to talk here, but I've read the exact opposite. Anderson is the more "natural" centerfielder of the 2.

+1. As much I like Rowand, a lot of those great grabs were because he either got a late jump or ran the wrong way initially. A gold glove CF'er he was not.

maurice
03-06-2006, 05:50 PM
Anderson wil be excellent defensively. In fact, the entire defense and pitching staff should be WAY above average. IMO, the biggest ? is the same as last year: consistent production out of the 3 / 4 spots in the lineup. For example, there's a huge difference between a healthy and productive Jim Thome and last year's Jim Thome.

The Wimperoo
03-06-2006, 06:11 PM
The 2 biggest question marks on the Sox in 06 are:
1. Jim Thome's health and ability to put up a good season.
2. Bullpen and ability to perform as well as they did last year.

fquaye149
03-06-2006, 06:12 PM
At one point, I thought it would be Anderson in CF, but the revamped offense afforded us to ease him into the lineup. I think the biggest question is Jenks and has he learned some control in the offseason. This will be his 2nd time around in the AL, and as you know, you cant get away with smoke-and-mirrors in the American League.

I think the biggest question is "what eventual World Series MVP will Hangar be leading a "REPLACE HIM" campagin against by mid-May?"

Lip Man 1
03-06-2006, 06:16 PM
To answer an earlier question...the White Sox have never made post season play in consecutive years.

That should be the immediate goal for the 2006 season...worry about the post-season after you know that you are going to be there.

Lip

buehrle4cy05
03-06-2006, 06:23 PM
my biggest concern is the LHP spot, but i am excited to see this boone logan kid throw.

Boone Logan sucks. His first name is derived from Bret Boone, and his last name from Nook Logan.

hold2dibber
03-06-2006, 06:43 PM
Centerfield. Rowand plays were the difference between winning & losing in about 20 games alone last year.

C'mon - you can't honestly believe that, unless you mean the difference between having Rowand in CF and having no CF at all. There's no way his D (vs. an average CF'er) was the difference between a 99 win season and a 79 win season in '05. That is absolutely absurd. I doubt the greatest defensive centerfielder in history (whomever that may be) made even a 10 game W/L difference in a given season. And Aaron Rowand most certainly isn't the greatest centerfielder in history (or even remotely close).

TaylorStSox
03-06-2006, 08:13 PM
C'mon - you can't honestly believe that, unless you mean the difference between having Rowand in CF and having no CF at all. There's no way his D (vs. an average CF'er) was the difference between a 99 win season and a 79 win season in '05. That is absolutely absurd. I doubt the greatest defensive centerfielder in history (whomever that may be) made even a 10 game W/L difference in a given season. And Aaron Rowand most certainly isn't the greatest centerfielder in history (or even remotely close).

Rowand wasn't even the best CF in the Central. The love fest needs to stop. He was an average ballplayer who played hard all the time. Where's the love for Juan Uribe? He's better defensively. He plays just as hard. He's just as bad of a baserunner. And, he's arguably a better hitter.

Anyway, I don't really like our bullpen. I'm not that worried about Jenks. However, I am worried about Politte and Hermanson. Politte's stuff was noticably different in the latter part of the year. Hermanson was useless. I'm really not confident that anybody will have the year they did last year. Fortunately, the bullpen can be addressed during the year. Our farm system isn't as deep, but there's still enough talent to make a move or 2 for some solid help.

Norberto7
03-06-2006, 10:35 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Podsednik's groin/hernia as a ??. Different player, different team if he's not healthy.

Where's the love for Juan Uribe?

I love Juan Uribe.

ode to veeck
03-06-2006, 11:01 PM
Yeah, good call! It's gonna be really interesting to see (not hear :tongue: ) Baines as 1st base coach.

Has 'Da Rock schooled HarOLD in the running out grounders during BP thing yet? If not, he could get benched again!

Daver
03-06-2006, 11:10 PM
Anyway, I don't really like our bullpen. I'm not that worried about Jenks.

Jenks would be my biggest concern, he is an injury waiting to happen.

Brian26
03-06-2006, 11:20 PM
Rowand wasn't even the best CF in the Central. The love fest needs to stop. He was an average ballplayer who played hard all the time. Where's the love for Juan Uribe? He's better defensively. He plays just as hard. He's just as bad of a baserunner.

You mean tagging up at first base on a ball hit to the left field wall is bad baserunning?

:rowand

"Was that the right play? If he doesn't catch it, I figure I make it to 2nd base."

:ozzie

"Yeah, right."

Bobbo35
03-07-2006, 07:50 AM
I have two big concerns for this year.

1) The bullpen has me on edge a bit. You compare it to last you it is not as strong, but can be if McCarthy is effective as we hope he can be. Dustin's health is a concern to me as well, but we shall see.

2) Anderson and all the expectations that everyone has on him. I think it can equal out to a rough year for him. I think he will play well in center, but his bat is question with me.

hold2dibber
03-07-2006, 08:31 AM
Anyway, I don't really like our bullpen. I'm not that worried about Jenks. However, I am worried about Politte and Hermanson. Politte's stuff was noticably different in the latter part of the year. Hermanson was useless. I'm really not confident that anybody will have the year they did last year. Fortunately, the bullpen can be addressed during the year. Our farm system isn't as deep, but there's still enough talent to make a move or 2 for some solid help.

I agree with your general assesment re: '06 bullpen issues, but I'm not sure how you can conclude that Hermanson was useless last year. I think he was one of the great unsung heroes of that team -- totally selfless and effective in an ever-changing role. Even after he got hurt he was still good -- an ERA after the AS break (in admittedly limited innings) of about 2.30.

tick53
03-07-2006, 12:56 PM
I'm too far away to be a season ticket holder. My only concern is being able
to go to a few games this season and having a decent seat. I'm not complaining though...:smile:

SoLongFrank
03-07-2006, 01:27 PM
http://www.hardballtimes.com/winshares/index.php?search=&linesToDisplay=100&sort=field&sort2=WSAB&limit1=Team&limit2=OF&leagueLimit=League 2005
Rowand #1 OF, Konerko #3 1B, Iguchi #7 2B, Crede #4 3B, Uribe #1 SS, AJP #20 C, Buehrle #3 SP, Garland #7 SP, Contra #14 SP, Garcia #17 SP, Vazquez #33 SP, Politte #5 RP, Hermy #15 RP, Cotts #25 RP, Jenks #62 RP.

That's why you hear nothing but praise for Rowand's defense in the media. Expecting Anderson to finish #1 in 2006 is a LOT to ask for.

Iguchi greatly improved over the course of the season. I expect top 5 this yr. Crede was robbed of chances due to his back injury. If he can remain healthy a solid shot at #2. Uribe wasn't just the best. He was a full game ahead of everyone else.

Uribe was the best move Kenny has made to date.

A top 20 for a man AJP's size is pretty good. Look at our SP ranks? I expect Vazquez to improve greatly watching Uribe make play after play behind him. Uribe is contagious. I think Jenks can finish in the top 40 with more play. He's quite agile for a big man. Politte is one of the best fielding RP in the game.

But back to Rowand. What's more astonishing about his #1 ranking is the fact that Pods finished 20th & Dye 28th. So Rowand was covering a LOT of ground out there.

maurice
03-07-2006, 01:32 PM
The same rankings list Andruw Jones 7th, behind a group that includes Brady Clark, Willy Taveras, and Grady Sizemore.

Strangely, I'm not convinced.

SoLongFrank
03-07-2006, 01:41 PM
Sizemore had quite a few web gems for CLE last year. I wouldn't sell him short. I didn't see much of Taveras or Jones to form an opinion.

TaylorStSox
03-08-2006, 12:48 PM
I agree with your general assesment re: '06 bullpen issues, but I'm not sure how you can conclude that Hermanson was useless last year. I think he was one of the great unsung heroes of that team -- totally selfless and effective in an ever-changing role. Even after he got hurt he was still good -- an ERA after the AS break (in admittedly limited innings) of about 2.30.

I meant that, due to injury, Hermanson was useless in the latter part of the year. When a pitcher has a serious back problem, I'm never confident that they'll regain form.