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my5thbench
02-26-2006, 12:09 PM
on the bus after the World Series..."act like we lost"

I think he meant that it's his job to make this team better & to the players, be the best that you can be.

he also said that they may only bring 11 pitchers north & that may allow both Gload & Borchard to make the team.

they are both out of options, I would love to see Borchard make the team & get perhaps 300 plus at bats, see if he's ready, see him hit some bombs, I'm not ready to give up on him, he's a pretty good outfielder & that power is pretty doggone special

I'm open to criticism or catcalls on this I'm just rootin' for the kid

munchman33
02-26-2006, 12:11 PM
I'm rooting for Borchard too. I'd love to see him breakout.

JohnBasedowYoda
02-26-2006, 12:22 PM
Enough with Borchard already. The CFL is calling his name.

fquaye149
02-26-2006, 01:12 PM
I don't think anyone is specifically ROOTING for Borchard to fail...I, however, and I think many WSIers feel the same way, think he's never going to live up to his promise and that keeping him on the roster takes a spot away from someone who might actually contribute to this team

chisoxfanatic
02-26-2006, 01:15 PM
Doesn't it seem that every time Borchard's given a chance, he does not come through for us? His only claim to fame will be hitting the longest home run in new Comiskey history. No, thank you!

Brian26
02-26-2006, 01:24 PM
Doesn't it seem that every time Borchard's given a chance, he does not come through for us?

Well, it's not like he's had a ton of chances to become a starter on this team. CLee and Mags were pretty entrenched at the corners for most of the time Borchard was here.

The first time he came up in late 2002, he looked pretty impressive towards the end of the season (remember the light-tower power in Toronto). The 2nd half of 2004 when Mags went down was pretty depressing. Maybe he's ready now. I'm rooting for him.

jabrch
02-26-2006, 02:23 PM
they are both out of options, I would love to see Borchard make the team & get perhaps 300 plus at bats, see if he's ready, see him hit some bombs, I'm not ready to give up on him, he's a pretty good outfielder & that power is pretty doggone special
We are all rooting for Joe. Nobody wants him to fail around here. But if this kid gets 300 ABs on this team, it means we have a MAJOR problem. It will mean that someone (Thome, Pods or Dye) was injured of completely fell apart or that Anderson/Owens/Mackowiak couldnt handle CF and we had to put Pods there, and we couldn't fill LF anywhere else.

I'm rooting for Joe B, but not to get 300 ABs for the Sox. That would be more a bad sign than a good one.

His problem, as we all know is not the power. It's getting the average/obp to a point where he is productive.

my5thbench
02-26-2006, 02:35 PM
jbrich...you're probably more right than any of us...but I hope to heck that you're wrong... I want him to be here 'cause he turns out good

kiss me I'm Irish....borrow some luck Joe B.

CHISOXFAN13
02-26-2006, 04:00 PM
Doesn't it seem that every time Borchard's given a chance, he does not come through for us? His only claim to fame will be hitting the longest home run in new Comiskey history. No, thank you!

He's had one season with 200 at-bats and three others with a combined 97. That's hardly a legitimate chance if you ask me. We aren't asking him to be a .300, 30, 100 guy, but to provide some pop off the bench.

SoLongFrank
02-26-2006, 04:31 PM
Name one other team that has close to the talent the White Sox have in their first 1-6 pitchers. If you can't name one were in agreement. Why would a team that strong up front opt to take an extra pitcher?

Spring Training will give us a good idea of where Hermy, Politte, Cotts, & Jenks are at. McCarthy is guaranteed a spot & is very capable at getting both LH & RHers out. IMO, that leaves 1 spot for a specialist against LHers. Why add another arm in the bullpen who is just going to take innings & appearances away from Brandon?

When they traded for Vazquez I felt they were making a decision to go with 11 arms & add 2 more capable bats on the bench. That strengthens the offense which was the biggest weakness of the team in 2005. So long as the regulars from 2005 perform good enough in ST 11 arms should be more than fine.

NoNeckEra
02-26-2006, 05:09 PM
He's had one season with 200 at-bats and three others with a combined 97. That's hardly a legitimate chance if you ask me. We aren't asking him to be a .300, 30, 100 guy, but to provide some pop off the bench.
He was cut from a winter ball team, for xxxxst's sake! Doesn't that tell you something?

alohafri
02-26-2006, 08:37 PM
Doesn't it seem that every time Borchard's given a chance, he does not come through for us? His only claim to fame will be hitting the longest home run in new Comiskey history. No, thank you!

Borchard is a stiff. He should be asking Ditka if the Rush needs a quarterback.

Beer Can Chicken
02-26-2006, 09:36 PM
He cant be worse than Timo Perez. .218, .266obp and 2 SBs? Borchard can easily match those numbers. He'll steal more and hit more HRs.

Banix12
02-26-2006, 10:03 PM
Well, it's not like he's had a ton of chances to become a starter on this team. CLee and Mags were pretty entrenched at the corners for most of the time Borchard was here.

The first time he came up in late 2002, he looked pretty impressive towards the end of the season (remember the light-tower power in Toronto). The 2nd half of 2004 when Mags went down was pretty depressing. Maybe he's ready now. I'm rooting for him.

But he can play Center Field, quite well I might add. And it's not like Rowand and Harris were firmly entrenched in center field pre-2004. If Borchard had not completely fallen apart at AAA in 2003 it is not a stretch to think that Borchard would have been called up when Rowand struggled and it's entirely possible that the sox would have never traded for Carl Everett.

He has never changed as a hitter. His overall numbers at AAA have basically plateaued for 4 years. I don't know how he is ready now since he really hasn't shown any progress.

He cant be worse than Timo Perez. .218, .266obp and 2 SBs? Borchard can easily match those numbers. He'll steal more and hit more HRs.

He can easily be worse than Timo Perez. When has he ever been better? Anyway, Timo usually hits better than .218, that was the worst season of baseball he ever played in his career. He's actually a career .263 hitter in the majors. Borchard is also a .263 career hitter, but that's in AAA. Timo is like a career .350 hitter in AAA. They played in the same ballpark on the same team in 2004 and Timo completely outplayed him.

Also while Borchard is faster than Timo, he has never used his speed for stealing bases before. Hard to say he would steal more bases.

I'm not defending Timo's failures. I'm just saying Borchard could easily be worse.


And as for Borchard getting 300 ABs I am in total agreement with Jabrich. That would be a really bad sign.

I hope I'm wrong about him and he succeeds but I don't think I am wrong.

mccombe_35
02-26-2006, 10:12 PM
DId somebody say Borchard was good in the outfield? Maybe it's just me, but it always seemed like the guy was running in quicksand out there. I would love to see the guy succeed as much as anybody but for years it's been his spot to lose & he's lost it time & time again

SOX ADDICT '73
02-26-2006, 10:21 PM
If Borchard had not completely fallen apart...
It seems like we've been saying this a lot about Joe:

"If he hadn't completely fallen apart at AAA in 2003..."
or
"If he hadn't completely fallen apart in 2004 when Magglio went down..."
or
"If he hadn't completely fallen apart in the Mexican freakin' Winter League..."

Forgive me if I want to pass on a guy with such a propensity for "completely falling apart."

JohnBasedowYoda
02-26-2006, 10:43 PM
Why are you guys even talking about this? He's sucked every chance he had and that's it.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!

:angry:

Banix12
02-26-2006, 10:56 PM
It seems like we've been saying this a lot about Joe:

"If he hadn't completely fallen apart at AAA in 2003..."
or
"If he hadn't completely fallen apart in 2004 when Magglio went down..."
or
"If he hadn't completely fallen apart in the Mexican freakin' Winter League..."

Forgive me if I want to pass on a guy with such a propensity for "completely falling apart."

I've been basically saying the same thing for months now. If it weren't for the fact this guy was a 1st round pick I think it would be a no brainer that he is going to be a career minor leaguer.

I still kinda have this feeling that if the sox are truly going to bring an extra OF that he is not currently in the organization or in camp and will be acquired late in spring training. Not a big fan of Grieve because of his defensive shortcomings, though he is a superior hitter to Borchard.

Banix12
02-26-2006, 11:27 PM
He's had one season with 200 at-bats and three others with a combined 97. That's hardly a legitimate chance if you ask me. We aren't asking him to be a .300, 30, 100 guy, but to provide some pop off the bench.

That's more of a chance than most .263 hitting AAA players get. You have to make the most of your opprotunities and Borchard hasn't done that.

There are players out there who can provide pop off the bench and have shown they can hit above the mendoza line. The sox have already have two guys in camp who can in Gload and Grieve and there are surely others available.

JB98
02-27-2006, 12:17 AM
I'm rooting for Borch as long as he's wearing the silver and black. That said, do I think he can help us win? Absolutely not. I'd rather someone else make the team.

If Borch proves me wrong, I'll be first in line for a delicious helping of crow, and I'll eat it gladly.

Banix12
02-27-2006, 01:31 AM
Name one other team that has close to the talent the White Sox have in their first 1-6 pitchers. If you can't name one were in agreement. Why would a team that strong up front opt to take an extra pitcher?

Spring Training will give us a good idea of where Hermy, Politte, Cotts, & Jenks are at. McCarthy is guaranteed a spot & is very capable at getting both LH & RHers out. IMO, that leaves 1 spot for a specialist against LHers. Why add another arm in the bullpen who is just going to take innings & appearances away from Brandon?

When they traded for Vazquez I felt they were making a decision to go with 11 arms & add 2 more capable bats on the bench. That strengthens the offense which was the biggest weakness of the team in 2005. So long as the regulars from 2005 perform good enough in ST 11 arms should be more than fine.


I think the logic here is that the sox don't want to ask too much out of the starting pitchers early in the season so the bullpen might see a bit of extra work in the first month or so. The starters pitched very late into the year last season and logged a lot of innings. I believe Buehrle has already addressed that he has a fear about how his arm will respond after pitching so much last year. A couple of the starters will also be pitching in the World Baseball Classic and it remains to be seen if that will have any effect on them going into the season as well.

In the bullpen I see three major questions and they might not totally be answered in spring training. They might have to wait till they hit the season and see how they respond. 1) Will Hermanson's back hold up over the season 2) How well will Jenks pitch over a whole season and 3) How will McCarthy hold up in the bullpen? That being can he bounce back and pitch back to back days or will he have to take a couple of days off between appearances.

Right now the way the bullpen is set up and the way the bench is set up I think even the need for a 25th man is minimal since the sox have a good pen and all the guys on the bench can play multiple positions. So whoever the 25th guy is going to be it shouldn't be a big deal because it just seems like it will be either a reliever who will eat innings in case of a blowout or a defensive sub/pinch hitter who may only get 3 at bats a week if he's lucky.

Bobbo35
02-27-2006, 06:44 AM
Enough with Borchard already. The CFL is calling his name.

That's what i'm talking about. They have had high expectations for Borchard for long enough now. Another sport is calling your name. Canadian football is not easy to get used to though, especially when you have been playing baseball.

we be jake
02-27-2006, 08:07 AM
I'd rather see us pick up an experienced veteran for back-up than spend any more time on Borchard. ther must be some FA's out there that would be a good fit and who would help with vet type leadership. Maybe someone who knows what it takes to repeat. :cool: we be jake

Chicken Dinner
02-27-2006, 09:48 AM
I'd rather see us pick up an experienced veteran for back-up than spend any more time on Borchard. ther must be some FA's out there that would be a good fit and who would help with vet type leadership. Maybe someone who knows what it takes to repeat. :cool: we be jake

I'd rather give someone else in the system a chance. Joe's had his and he failed miserably.

MySoxAreClean
02-27-2006, 09:45 PM
Kenny said :

slavko
02-28-2006, 09:04 PM
But he can play Center Field, quite well I might add.

This I have not seen.


DId somebody say Borchard was good in the outfield? Maybe it's just me, but it always seemed like the guy was running in quicksand out there. I would love to see the guy succeed as much as anybody but for years it's been his spot to lose & he's lost it time & time again .

This I have seen.

SoxFan76
02-28-2006, 10:58 PM
I'll tell you what I've seen (ok, read).

He's got deceptive speed and actually has decent range at the corner positions. From my experiences, he never seemed like a slow player by any means. Plus he's got an arm.