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Fenway
02-07-2006, 11:45 PM
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and meanwhile at what many of you say is Wrigley East ( or is Wrigley Fenway Central ) it appears they putting a lot of weight on that roof...

The Critic
02-08-2006, 07:43 AM
I drove past Wrigley the other day and I don't know how it'll look when they're done, but it looks pretty terrible right now. It's weird seeing the bleachers stick out over the sidewalk like that.
Civic landmark and local treasure or not, the best renovation for that place involves a wrecking ball.

Fenway
02-08-2006, 09:56 AM
I *hope* the Red Sox know what they are doing.

A friend of mine was "clerk of the works" when they built the 406 club after the 1988 season and he told me the foundation which was redone in 1934 was at the limit. He is not working on this project but he said "if they did anything to the foundation I would have heard about it" adding in Boston they can't change a lightbulb at Fenway without the media finding out.

I am now resigned to the fact that I will never see a new ballpark in Boston.

doublem23
02-08-2006, 09:59 AM
Wow, that is ugly.

itsnotrequired
02-08-2006, 10:07 AM
Wow, that is ugly.

I imagine it will look much nicer once complete. Who knows though...

doublem23
02-08-2006, 10:10 AM
I imagine it will look much nicer once complete. Who knows though...

I'm sure there's going to be some attempt, but how much can you really just dress up a steel rod?

We'll see.

Hangar18
02-08-2006, 10:15 AM
the place looks obviously a mess. Its going to look very nice once theyre finished .............nice in the sense that everything out there will be completely modernized ........... and its obvious that those Entirely Brand New Bleachers, columns, brick walls, concourse and ramps will NOT blend into the rest of the park. EXCELLENT !!!! They did too good a job and
will give critics and sox fans alike reason to remind them their cherished ballpark isnt all that historic anymore. The minor-league chain link fencing and concrete panels are not that historic.

itsnotrequired
02-08-2006, 10:15 AM
I'm sure there's going to be some attempt, but how much can you really just dress up a steel rod?

We'll see.

The thing that has irked me up until now was the contrast of the red steel and the white concrete support "sheet metal". Terrible combination. The latest photos show some of the steel columns painted white which leads me to believe they will paint all of the interior steel white. I imagine they will leave the exterior steel red to match the bricks.

Hangar18
02-08-2006, 10:18 AM
I love the shots of the clearly and obviously brand new bricks (wheres old roman?)

Hangar18
02-08-2006, 10:21 AM
The latest photos show some of the steel columns painted white which leads me to believe they will paint all of the interior steel white. I imagine they will leave the exterior steel red to match the bricks.

PRIMER

itsnotrequired
02-08-2006, 10:22 AM
PRIMER

The red steel is already coated with primer. The white steel is most likely the base undercoat and they will put anoter coat of white on there.

Chicken Dinner
02-08-2006, 10:37 AM
I wonder if the workers are using cheap bricks and concrete that will fall on the pedestrians below.

kittle42
02-08-2006, 10:51 AM
Was this thread locked yesterday or am I hallucinating? :smile:

1951Campbell
02-08-2006, 10:54 AM
Jeez, I've been to Fenway as recently as 2001, and it seems like I'd hardly recognize it anymore.

Fenway
02-08-2006, 11:59 AM
Jeez, I've been to Fenway as recently as 2001, and it seems like I'd hardly recognize it anymore.

What borders on insanity is how much the Red Sox are charging for those new roof seats.


The glassed-in .406 Club is gone, replaced by the exclusive, heated-chair EMC Club, where the $275 seats are closer to home plate than the second baseman is (''Better bring your glove," said Smith).

The Red Sox are aware of problems with legroom in the main seating areas.
''To really fix that issue, you need to redo the treads, which means you'll lose a row or two," said Smith, ''but we'll probably swallow hard and do that before it's all over."


if they eliminate rows downstairs you can be sure they well adjust the price per ticket so they don't lose any revenue. Fenway has become a theme park.

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/02/08/1139403368_5563.jpg
What was once the glassed-in .406 Club is gone, to be replaced by Opening Day with new open-air seating (at $275 each) in the EMC Club behind home plate. (Globe Staff Photo / Stan Grossfeld)

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/02/08/changes_seen_as_striking/

Wind patterns in the 94-year-old baseball temple are being affected by new construction in the neighborhood, and it just might turn a David Ortiz bleacher blast into a warning-track catch by a certain clean-shaven Yankees center fielder.
''We had a wind study done by an independent consultant," said John Giangregorio of D'Agostino, Izzo and Quirk, chief architects of the ongoing renovations at the park. ''I think you'll find that there might be slightly fewer balls that are going to find their way those last few feet over the fence or over the Green Monster. I think somebody like Ortiz is not going to like that."

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/02/08/winds_and_losses/

TheOldRoman
02-08-2006, 12:09 PM
I love the shots of the clearly and obviously brand new bricks (wheres old roman?)
:rolleyes:
Sorry, I was out. I didn't have time to respond to your lunacy earlier. These are basically the same pictures as last time. They are showing the other side of the wall (LF or RF), and NOTHING is complete. We will see when it is done.

Hangar18
02-08-2006, 12:16 PM
:rolleyes:
........ and NOTHING is complete. We will see when it is done.


Part of the outside wall is complete. Do you see the concrete base for the bricks? those are done, looks like theyre working their way towards the RF pole area. Brand New Bricks/Wall for a Brand New Bleacher section.
Gotta love historic "old" parks! :smile:

itsnotrequired
02-08-2006, 02:38 PM
:rolleyes:
Sorry, I was out. I didn't have time to respond to your lunacy earlier. These are basically the same pictures as last time. They are showing the other side of the wall (LF or RF), and NOTHING is complete. We will see when it is done.

Correct, nothing is for sure until it is done but I'm pretty sure the bricks shown are brand new. The guys at BleedCubbieBlue think so as well.

TheOldRoman
02-08-2006, 02:45 PM
Correct, nothing is for sure until it is done but I'm pretty sure the bricks shown are brand new. The guys at BleedCubbieBlue think so as well.
Well, those bricks looks new. My point was, I believe they are going to make an outer wall of bricks. The one pictured would be the wall of the concourse visible from inside the park. They would then build another wall outside of it made at least partially of old bricks.
Of course, to Hangar, the Cubs made this diabolical plan to fool the city into letting them rebuild the bleachers illegally. They did it under a shroud of secrecy because they know it is illegal. This is step 13 in their 19 step plan to take over the world. Hangar is the only one who knows of their evil plan, but he has the burden of trying to prove it to everyone who thinks he is insane.

itsnotrequired
02-08-2006, 02:53 PM
Well, those bricks looks new. My point was, I believe they are going to make an outer wall of bricks. The one pictured would be the wall of the concourse visible from inside the park. They would then build another wall outside of it made at least partially of old bricks.

That's what I was thinking as well. And like you said, we'll see once the whole thing is done. I am very excited!

C-Dawg
02-08-2006, 06:53 PM
Frank Mathie just did a segment on the 5:00 Ch. 7 news; lots of inside views.

The weirdest thing in my opinion is the glassed-in center-field restaurant in the green "batter's eye" area. That might take some getting used to.

IlliniSox4Life
02-09-2006, 12:56 AM
Looks like the "knot hole" in right field that was supposed to be open for people outside to see inside is now going to be blocked off or something during games. That didn't take long.

Knothole view: The new section in the right-field wall replaced a solid metal gate and originally was supposed to offer fans outside the park a free ground-level view from behind a chain-link fence on Sheffield. Local restoration architect John Vinci, a consultant on the project, said in December the idea was to "give something back to the people." But McGuire said Wednesday "the person on the sidewalk who hasn't bought a ticket isn't entitled" to a free look at the game.

"The feature is really intended to be a plus for a commuter as he or she walks from their homes to the L," McGuire said. "They will be able to walk by any time, any day, and look into the ballpark."

First of all, why does someone want to look into the ball park when there is no game being played? And why are you building this hole for them? That makes no sense. It's not like they will sell less tickets because of this hole.
I'm sure the average commuter wants to stop everyday as he or she passes Wrigley for the 1,000th time just to look inside and cherish the historic ballpark.

I actually thought this could be a neat idea if it worked out, now it's just stupid. I have a feeling the real reason for this knot hole is really so that they can drive Chevy trucks in and out of the field in between innings.

DrCrawdad
02-09-2006, 10:55 AM
Looks like the "knot hole" in right field that was supposed to be open for people outside to see inside is now going to be blocked off or something during games. That didn't take long.
That was quite the reversal. Here's how one Cub fan has summarized the flip-flops:


Knothole

Before: Tribune's consultant said the idea was to "give something back to the people" by allowing you to see through the knothole right into the ballpark, suggesting to people you can see the game in progress.
After: Tribune says a "person on the sidewalk who hasn't bought a ticket isn't entitled" to a free view of the game, and it will be covered during games. Batter's Eye (restaurant in the bleachers)
Before: In 2001, Tribune sends a letter to neighborhood residents announcing the "Batter's Eye Restaurant" which would allow bleacher fans a "chance to view the game through tinted glass while eating in a new enclosed area in center field."
After: Tribune yesterday confirmed this will actually be "a group party area, like a large mezzanine suite that will be used for group entertainment on game days" -- for a substantial fee, of course. Bleacher Boxes:
Before: During the Cubs Convention last month, Tribune reveals plan for 250 "bleacher box seats" in the right-field corner. No mention is made of pricing, suggesting prices would be similar to those of the current bleachers.
After: Ticket price is announced to be $60, the highest in the ballpark except for the infield Club Box seats -- and then only on "Prime" dates. Smoking:
Before: Tribune is reportedly expected to comply with the new non-smoking ordinance commencing on 1/16/06, making smoking illegal anywhere within the ballpark.
After: Tribune says they are "still ... studying the city's new no-smoking ordinance to see how it affects the open-air areas in the bleachers and the roof-deck patio facing the intersection of Clark and Addison." This statement suggests future lobbying efforts by Tribune to exempt Wrigley Field from the ordinance, against the wishes of the vast majority of people, and allow smoking within the building as they see fit.

itsnotrequired
02-09-2006, 10:59 AM
That was quite the reversal. Here's how one Cub fan has summarized the fli-flops:


Don't let Hangar see your post!:o:

:wink:

Hangar18
02-09-2006, 11:00 AM
That was quite the reversal. Here's how one Cub fan has summarized the fli-flops:




LAUGHING MY BUTT OFF ....................
Now thats the Tribune I know !

Fenway
02-09-2006, 11:01 AM
I suspect the Cubs are watching closely what the Red Sox are doing and you may a similar land grab around Wrigley in the coming years

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=125204

Lucchino said the team is likely to continue with significant offseason renovations up until 2012, when the stadium will celebrate its 100th anniversary. The Red Sox have quietly been purchasing neighboring buildings and land parcels that could eventually be home to team offices, player parking and a new hotel.


The Red Sox want to plunge into the restaurant business as the franchise pushes ahead with plans to revamp the colorful but gritty streets around Fenway Park. The Red Sox are eyeing long-term plans for two new eateries on Lansdowne Street, livening... [more (http://business.bostonherald.com/realestateNews/view.bg?articleid=125177)]
http://business.bostonherald.com/images/business/fenway02092006.jpg (http://business.bostonherald.com/realestateNews/view.bg?articleid=125177)Lansdowne Street could see new restaurants with cafe style dining under new plans for Fenway Park. (Staff photo by David Goldman)

Hangar18
02-09-2006, 11:17 AM
I suspect the Cubs are watching closely what the Red Sox are doing and you may a similar land grab around Wrigley in the coming years



Oh you can bet thats exactly what the Tribune Entertainment Corporation has been up to all these years. They were finally successful in Land-Grabbing the "right-of-way" they squatted on all these years with the players parking lot. That right-of-way was a protection zone of sorts for the car-wash and donut shop, and once that fell, those businesses then felt the Brute Force of Tribune dollars and were pushed away very quickly.

Thats why the Trib fought vehemently and spent I imagine hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees over the years fighting for the right to "expand" onto city property (right-of-way also known as a Sidewalk)
They now are finally armed with a legal precedent and MOMENTUM (uhoh, the M word) they will definitely make more moves.

tebman
02-09-2006, 12:09 PM
Thats why the Trib fought vehemently and spent I imagine hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees over the years fighting for the right to "expand" onto city property (right-of-way also known as a Sidewalk)
They now are finally armed with a legal precedent and MOMENTUM (uhoh, the M word) they will definitely make more moves.
There's no doubt that the Tribune wants as much control as it can get over the Wrigley Field "environment." That's why there was the long and comical tarp-on-the-bleacher-fence dispute with the neighboring building owners a couple of years ago.

But there is a funny angle to that triangular piece of land off Clark Street where they plan to build their Parking Garage and Monument to Futility, or whatever they call it. I remember reading that a few years ago when the Tribune went for zoning permits to build the garage on that space, they learned that they had no legal title to the land. Shortly after the Tribune bought the Cubs in 1981, they paid a now-defunct railroad for that property. There used to be a coal yard on Clark where the donut shop and car wash is now, and a railroad right-of-way was there to haul coal. Because of a screwup in the Tribune's legal department, they didn't check to see that the title to that land wasn't the railroad's to sell, but was deeded to the city decades ago.

So the City of Chicago came back telling the Tribune that they had to buy the land from the city. The Tribune had paid a bunch of money to someone who didn't own it, and so their purchase was worthless. Time passed, and the Tribune settled on some price with the city, much higher than what they'd paid the non-owners in the 1980s.

The Tribune's harrumphing executives are probably still smarting over that. You can bet they want to own everything in sight so they don't have to deal with that again.

SOXPHILE
02-09-2006, 12:29 PM
There's no doubt that the Tribune wants as much control as it can get over the Wrigley Field "environment." That's why there was the long and comical tarp-on-the-bleacher-fence dispute with the neighboring building owners a couple of years ago.

But there is a funny angle to that triangular piece of land off Clark Street where they plan to build their Parking Garage and Monument to Futility, or whatever they call it. I remember reading that a few years ago when the Tribune went for zoning permits to build the garage on that space, they learned that they had no legal title to the land. Shortly after the Tribune bought the Cubs in 1981, they paid a now-defunct railroad for that property. There used to be a coal yard on Clark where the donut shop and car wash is now, and a railroad right-of-way was there to haul coal. Because of a screwup in the Tribune's legal department, they didn't check to see that the title to that land wasn't the railroad's to sell, but was deeded to the city decades ago.

So the City of Chicago came back telling the Tribune that they had to buy the land from the city. The Tribune had paid a bunch of money to someone who didn't own it, and so their purchase was worthless. Time passed, and the Tribune settled on some price with the city, much higher than what they'd paid the non-owners in the 1980s.

The Tribune's harrumphing executives are probably still smarting over that. You can bet they want to own everything in sight so they don't have to deal with that again.

http://www.tribune.com/images/stock/dennisbw.jpg

"Harumph !! That's not true. We...errr..knew that..umm..the people we bought it from back then didn't really own it. We were just seeing if the city was paying attention. Yeah, that's it. It's in the interest of the entire state of Illinois to let us have all that land, since everybody loves the Cubs and the shrine that is Wrigley Field. So, be sure to get your $60.00 bleacher tickets form our very own corporate scalp....err...ummm...I mean, corporate ticket licensers....ummm...Hey, look ! Isn't that new knothole neat !!!??

Steelrod
02-09-2006, 12:32 PM
I just heard on the radio that those bleacher seats going up are BOX BLEACHERS...at $60.00 per pop. Is that true?
Wow..can't imagine what their payroll will now be. Right now it's less than ours!

Hangar18
02-09-2006, 12:39 PM
http://www.tribune.com/images/stock/dennisbw.jpg

"Harumph !! That's not true. We...errr..knew that..umm..the people we bought it from back then didn't really own it. We were just seeing if the city was paying attention. Yeah, that's it. It's in the interest of the entire state of Illinois to let us have all that land, since everybody loves the Cubs and the shrine that is Wrigley Field. So, be sure to get your $60.00 bleacher tickets form our very own corporate scalp....err...ummm...I mean, corporate ticket licensers....ummm...Hey, look ! Isn't that new knothole neat !!!??

heh hehe heh hehhhehhehe

mjharrison72
02-09-2006, 12:45 PM
I love how "objective" the Trib is being about this... just reporting the facts.
And in that whole article, there's NO mention that the Trib Co. owns the cubs. It absolutely blows my mind. Of course, they could just continue on not mentioning the way they're changing the plan, but they definitely take this "well, it's just business" attitude, rather than pointing out the flip-flop and what an insult this should be seen as.

If this were the Sox pulling this crap on their fans, I can't imagine the coverage would be so matter-of-fact. It's sad, really.

santo=dorf
02-09-2006, 12:49 PM
Hopefully this will put an end to loud mouthed Cub fans pointlessly talking about the "old-time feel" of Wrigley Field.

anewman35
02-09-2006, 12:56 PM
I just heard on the radio that those bleacher seats going up are BOX BLEACHERS...at $60.00 per pop. Is that true?

250 of them are. The rest aren't.

Hangar18
02-09-2006, 01:02 PM
I love how "objective" the Trib is being about this... just reporting the facts.
And in that whole article, there's NO mention that the Trib Co. owns the cubs. It absolutely blows my mind. Of course, they could just continue on not mentioning the way they're changing the plan, but they definitely take this "well, it's just business" attitude, rather than pointing out the flip-flop and what an insult this should be seen as.

If this were the Sox pulling this crap on their fans, I can't imagine the coverage would be so matter-of-fact. It's sad, really.

Flim-Flam. They Flimmed when they cried Poor and told the city they needed to add seats to the Bleachers. Then....they Flammed when they really intended on more "exclusive" bleacher-box seats, a private restaurant in cf, tore down the entire bleachers and rebuilt anew, destroyed the original wall and put in a new outerwall, and will now take-away what they never really gave, the "knothole". I wonder if Old Roman is reading any of this? :cool:

Hangar18
02-09-2006, 01:05 PM
Hopefully this will put an end to loud mouthed Cub fans pointlessly talking about the "old-time feel" of Wrigley Field.


:hawk
" Stay Fair ............ It Will !"

peeonwrigley
02-09-2006, 02:01 PM
Just heard on the Moiph show - a potential reason for blocking the beloved and historic knothole is because it would take away from Trib Co's stance against the rooftop owners. A free view of the park is a free view of the park.

It could have led to the rooftop guys taking the Trib to court, ultimately opening up the possibility of losing 17% of rooftop revenues.

JohnBasedowYoda
02-09-2006, 02:15 PM
Are those seats up top in fenway going to be billed as premiums? That looks like a fine view for a game actually.

This will be the year I visit fenway(the stadium, not the dude).

TheOldRoman
02-09-2006, 02:36 PM
Flim-Flam. They Flimmed when they cried Poor and told the city they needed to add seats to the Bleachers. Then....they Flammed when they really intended on more "exclusive" bleacher-box seats, a private restaurant in cf, tore down the entire bleachers and rebuilt anew, destroyed the original wall and put in a new outerwall, and will now take-away what they never really gave, the "knothole". I wonder if Old Roman is reading any of this? :cool: Alright, Hangar, I will take your bait. When did I say the Cubs were going to be completely honest about the price of the bleacher boxes, public access to the batters' eye, and the knothole? Please find those quotes. I don't think I discussed those issues at all.
I said that they are going to use some of the old bricks in reconstruction of an outer wall. You said they wouldn't as part of their evil plan to take over the world. You also threw out some garbage about them "putting one by the city".

I never said the Trib was noble, or that you should trust them. If you thought the "special bleachers" would be the same price as the other ones, you are nuts. They added a few rows of seats behind homeplate, and charge $250 for them with no consessions. They added seats by the visitors' bullpen, and charge a lot for them. This is another section of "premium" seats, so you should have expected premium prices. I saw this coming a mile away. I mean, who doesn't love sitting in the bleachers?

As for the batters' eye restaurant, I hadn't really read anything about it. I just assumed it would be used like the Sox use the fandeck, where it can be rented out for private parties. I never claimed it would be for general use.

The knothole was a ridiculous idea to begin with. It is a modern anuity and quirk that some parks use (PacBell/SBC/AT&T and PETCO). However, all the urinal has is it's "continuity". It would look horrible in that park, and wouldn't make sense. It came out of nowhere a few weeks ago, and now they are taking it away. It is a big PR gaffe, but that is about it. The Trib made some mistakes, but you are insane in thinking that the city knew nothing about what they were doing and they worked so secretively because they knew they were breaking laws. As I said before, Soldier Field is a landmark, and it was completely changed. At least the urinal will still resemble the same park. I don't agree with the renovations (particularly the expansion of the bleachers), but it is a much smaller change than what they did to Soldier Field.

BTW, Hangar, this isn't the first time you have "called me out" in a thread, particularly in a case when you misquoted me. For further notice, send me a PM and let me know in which threads you so desperately seek my reply.:D:

Fenway
02-09-2006, 04:00 PM
Are those seats up top in fenway going to be billed as premiums? That looks like a fine view for a game actually.

This will be the year I visit fenway(the stadium, not the dude).

Hey you can visit us both :D:

The roof seats are not cheap

New Premium "Pavilion Level" Seating Areas
Pavilion Standing Room $25
Pavilion Box $90
First Base Pavilion Club $150
Third Base Pavilion Club $150
Home Plate Pavilion Club $195
EMC Club $275

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/ticketing/seating_pricing.jsp

Hitmen77
02-09-2006, 05:43 PM
is it me or have the Cubs really lost their "magic touch" in terms of PR.

Up until recently, it seemed like they could do no wrong in the eyes of the media and the blue-koolaid-drinking masses. At the same time, in the eyes of the media, the Sox could do nothing right.

Starting with the '04 season ending implosion, seems like the Cubs image has really taken a beating. The ultimate humiliation was the Sox winning the World Series, which showed Chicago that, when it comes to the Cubs, the emperor has no clothes.

ondafarm
02-09-2006, 06:01 PM
I still say, burn that ballpark down, and build a new stadium with 60ft bases. In the space leftover they could put up a great parking garage and even have express busses that ran 70 blocks south, to a real major league stadium. Then Iowa's farm team could share Elfstrom Stadium with the Kane County Cougars. They play at roughly the same level and at least that park is really beautiful.

Ol' No. 2
02-09-2006, 06:40 PM
Hey you can visit us both :D:

The roof seats are not cheap

New Premium "Pavilion Level" Seating Areas
Pavilion Standing Room $25
Pavilion Box $90
First Base Pavilion Club $150
Third Base Pavilion Club $150
Home Plate Pavilion Club $195
EMC Club $275

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/ticketing/seating_pricing.jspHow much to hold onto a rope hanging from the upper deck?

Fenway
02-09-2006, 07:34 PM
How much to hold onto a rope hanging from the upper deck?

don't give them any ideas :?:

Ol' No. 2
02-09-2006, 09:46 PM
don't give them any ideas :?:How many of these do you think they could fit in?

http://www.bradthegame.com/jones/tire-swing.jpg

Brian26
02-09-2006, 10:03 PM
Sorry guys, the White Sox are World Champions. As far as renovations at the Shrine....
:whocares

white sox bill
02-10-2006, 08:54 AM
Ah the knothole....maybe next time I'm in the area, I'll load up on some beer, go over to Wrigley and give it a test!!:smile:

Hope its a BIG knothole!!!:D: