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IUPeterman
02-06-2006, 01:11 PM
Looks like the fish have one less option for a new home. http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Feb-06-Mon-2006/sports/5734375.html

Chicken Dinner
02-06-2006, 01:28 PM
It amazes me that MLB thinks that Nevada is the only place that has sports betting. You can pretty much bet on every sport in every state. I also heard that Vegas has by far the best financing to support a team and a stadium.

Panpan21
02-06-2006, 02:09 PM
But the real question is, can Vegas support a fan base?? Let's face it 80-90% of people that live in the Vegas gotta be from somewhere else. It's a HUGE transplant town. I'm sure everyone who moves there still supports their old home team. Personally I'd love to plan a trip every year to Vegas to see the Sox play, but something tells me that's how a lot of fans will be. Just visiting for game and some gambling. That's just my opinion, but what do I know??

dickallen15
02-06-2006, 02:20 PM
But the real question is, can Vegas support a fan base?? Let's face it 80-90% of people that live in the Vegas gotta be from somewhere else. It's a HUGE transplant town. I'm sure everyone who moves there still supports their old home team. Personally I'd love to plan a trip every year to Vegas to see the Sox play, but something tells me that's how a lot of fans will be. Just visiting for game and some gambling. That's just my opinion, but what do I know??

The proposed stadium had an unbelievable amount of suites, which the casinos would have bought up to give to VIPs. I don't think support would be a problem, and it is one of the fastest growing areas in the country. I think they would have a lot of local support.

IUPeterman
02-06-2006, 02:25 PM
"I'm sure everyone who moves there still supports their old home team"

There's a lot of truth to that, but that doesn't mean they cuoldn't support whatever team plays in Vegas. I would definitely pull for the Fish, or whoever would come here, until they play the Sox.

I would really like to see a team come here, and do think it would get a lot of support. What really cracks me up are the ppl that view gambling as the hurdle many make it out to be. As others have pointed out, you can bet online on any number of sports as it is. Truth be told, the books here in Vegas comprise a very small percentage of all bets placed.

Fenway
02-06-2006, 02:42 PM
The only way MLB goes there is if the sportsbooks stop taking action on MLB games

That will never happen especially with the off-shore books killing Vegas

Somebody did a survey of what market in North America would be MLB's best shot.....

http://sefer.sunyconnect.suny.edu/olis/sunyergy/montreal.JPG

but that won't happen as long as Selig is around

soxfanatlanta
02-06-2006, 02:50 PM
But the real question is, can Vegas support a fan base?? Let's face it 80-90% of people that live in the Vegas gotta be from somewhere else. It's a HUGE transplant town. I'm sure everyone who moves there still supports their old home team. Personally I'd love to plan a trip every year to Vegas to see the Sox play, but something tells me that's how a lot of fans will be. Just visiting for game and some gambling. That's just my opinion, but what do I know??

Sounds like Atlanta, but there still is a team here. Not a bad one either :smile:

ChiSoxRowand
02-06-2006, 02:52 PM
Sounds like Atlanta, but there still is a team here. Not a bad one either :smile:

yea, and their stadium is always half empty.

mjharrison72
02-06-2006, 02:56 PM
The only way MLB goes there is if the sportsbooks stop taking action on MLB games

That will never happen especially with the off-shore books killing Vegas

Somebody did a survey of what market in North America would be MLB's best shot.....

http://sefer.sunyconnect.suny.edu/olis/sunyergy/montreal.JPG

but that won't happen as long as Selig is around
If they couldn't support a team before, I don't care what some survey says about it being the best North American city to put a baseball team, Montreal doesn't deserve one.

At first, I thought that was Portland... that I might believe.

One would think, though, with the questionable success of a lot of recent franchises and team movement in all sports, that what looks like it will work on paper doesn't always translate in reality. I'm sure some survey showed that Miami would be a great place for an MLB team, but even after two World Series championships, they're still talking about moving the team?

Fenway
02-06-2006, 03:29 PM
If they couldn't support a team before, I don't care what some survey says about it being the best North American city to put a baseball team, Montreal doesn't deserve one.



Do not blame the fans in Montreal.

When Loria and Selig blew off the French business community the team was dead in the water.

One of the limited partners they blew off was Jean Coutu and he was able to single handily kill promotion for the team in the French media.

He is a very powerful man in Quebec and very quietly is building an empire in the US as well

http://www.jeancoutu.com/finance/english/

Montreal HAD a fanbase and they were coming back when they contended for a wild card a couple of years ago. Selig solved that problem by refusing September 1 callups.

If you look at the standings of August 28, 2003 Montreal had a shot
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/08282003.htm#1 as they were dead even with the Marlins who would go on to win it all.

A lot of things went wrong in Montreal but it wasn't because of the fans.

Hangar18
02-06-2006, 03:41 PM
Do not blame the fans in Montreal.

A lot of things went wrong in Montreal but it wasn't because of the fans.

YUP. Great answer. All the BS starts with Bud Selig ...........

mjharrison72
02-06-2006, 04:02 PM
A lot of things went wrong in Montreal but it wasn't because of the fans.
Fair enough, but I guess my point is that it takes a lot of things to create or relocate a baseball (or any sports) franchise in any market, no matter how ready-made a city might appear. And no matter what a survey says about a market's suitability for an MLB team, if a lot of those other ingredients -- may they be support from the local business community, a new stadium, whatever -- don't come through, there are problems.

samram
02-06-2006, 04:09 PM
Sounds like Atlanta, but there still is a team here. Not a bad one either :smile:

Atlanta might be the worst sports town in the country (with Charlotte trying really hard to catch up). Still, that doesn't mean Vegas couldn't support a MLB team.

Ol' No. 2
02-06-2006, 04:32 PM
YUP. Great answer. All the BS starts with Bud Selig ...........Loria had a lot to do with it, too. It wasn't for nothing that he was getting sued by his former partners. And now that he's taken over the Marlins, they're failing, and he wants to move them, too. Do I detect a pattern?

csufsoxfan
02-06-2006, 04:50 PM
I would love to see a team in Vegas although they would need a new name, unless mandalay bay sponsors the stadium then Marlins might work.

MarySwiss
02-06-2006, 04:55 PM
But the real question is, can Vegas support a fan base?? Let's face it 80-90% of people that live in the Vegas gotta be from somewhere else. It's a HUGE transplant town. I'm sure everyone who moves there still supports their old home team. Personally I'd love to plan a trip every year to Vegas to see the Sox play, but something tells me that's how a lot of fans will be. Just visiting for game and some gambling. That's just my opinion, but what do I know??

I live in Phoenix, and many people here are from somewhere else. I support the D'Backs against everybody other than the Sox and I'd venture to guess this is probably true in general. You support your hometown team when they play in your adopted city, but the rest of the time, you support your adopted team.

Also, I think it depends on how loyal you are to your hometown team. For example, I'd support the Sox over the D'Backs and the Bears over the Cardinals, but the Suns/Bulls would be a really tough call.

Dan Mega
02-06-2006, 05:34 PM
but the Suns/Bulls would be a really tough call.

Blasphemy! :wink:

SOXintheBURGH
02-06-2006, 05:36 PM
I live in Phoenix, and many people here are from somewhere else. I support the D'Backs against everybody other than the Sox and I'd venture to guess this is probably true in general. You support your hometown team when they play in your adopted city, but the rest of the time, you support your adopted team.

Also, I think it depends on how loyal you are to your hometown team. For example, I'd support the Sox over the D'Backs and the Bears over the Cardinals, but the Suns/Bulls would be a really tough call.

I know what you mean.. I love the Sox more than any team.. but I fully endorse the Penguins and Steelers ahead of the Bears and Blackhawks.

soxfanatlanta
02-06-2006, 06:40 PM
Atlanta might be the worst sports town in the country (with Charlotte trying really hard to catch up). Still, that doesn't mean Vegas couldn't support a MLB team.
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!

We have a winner!

That was my whole point, bubba:smile:. It does not matter if there are transplants living in Vegas.

samram
02-06-2006, 07:13 PM
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!

We have a winner!

That was my whole point, bubba:smile:. It does not matter if there are transplants living in Vegas.

Oh, I was agreeing with you- I just like to point out that Atlanta is a crappy sports town.:D: In reality, most southern cities are, unless the discussion centers around college football.

Fenway
02-06-2006, 10:27 PM
I live in Phoenix, and many people here are from somewhere else. I support the D'Backs against everybody other than the Sox and I'd venture to guess this is probably true in general. You support your hometown team when they play in your adopted city, but the rest of the time, you support your adopted team.

Also, I think it depends on how loyal you are to your hometown team. For example, I'd support the Sox over the D'Backs and the Bears over the Cardinals, but the Suns/Bulls would be a really tough call.

but Mary you avoided the hardest question of all

who would you root for in a playoff game between
http://www.oandp.com/products/posimage/nhl1.gif



and

http://www.oandp.com/products/posimage/nhl2.gif

soxinem1
02-06-2006, 10:53 PM
Loria had a lot to do with it, too. It wasn't for nothing that he was getting sued by his former partners. And now that he's taken over the Marlins, they're failing, and he wants to move them, too. Do I detect a pattern?

Funny, the Nationals may end up being the better of the two franchises. Go figure....

nedlug
02-06-2006, 11:10 PM
who would you root for in a playoff game between
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and

http://www.oandp.com/products/posimage/nhl2.gif

Hahahaha, when will this seires take place? 2040?

SouthSide_HitMen
02-06-2006, 11:21 PM
http://www.oandp.com/products/posimage/nhl1.gif



This is the Blackhawk Logo since 1998 when they lost their record playoff making streak:

http://www.marsteller.com/images/OurBusiness/advertising/publicservices/indian.jpg

Please make note.

SOXintheBURGH
02-06-2006, 11:24 PM
This is the Blackhawk Logo since 1998 when they lost their record playoff making streak:

http://www.marsteller.com/images/OurBusiness/advertising/publicservices/indian.jpg

Please make note.

:rolling:

Brilliant! :gulp:

Steelrod
02-06-2006, 11:36 PM
I live in Phoenix, and many people here are from somewhere else. I support the D'Backs against everybody other than the Sox and I'd venture to guess this is probably true in general. You support your hometown team when they play in your adopted city, but the rest of the time, you support your adopted team.

Also, I think it depends on how loyal you are to your hometown team. For example, I'd support the Sox over the D'Backs and the Bears over the Cardinals, but the Suns/Bulls would be a really tough call.
Bears?
Any older dyed in the wool Sox fan would support the Cardinals over the Bears, as they were my team when I was younger and they played in Comiskey Park! Can't just ignore them ,cause they moved..and moved..

Steelrod
02-06-2006, 11:39 PM
Looks like the fish have one less option for a new home. http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Feb-06-Mon-2006/sports/5734375.html
NFL...What a joke!
Football's success can clearly be tied to gambling!

TDog
02-07-2006, 12:27 AM
Does this surprise anyone?

About seven years ago, I saw an space shuttle astronaut give a presentation to a large group. I don't remember if it was in Phoenix or Tucson. She showed shuttle photos of major U.S. cities. When she got to Las Vegas, the auditorium broke into laughter. Afterward, she said she always gets that reaction to Las Vegas. As a metropolitan area, nobody takes it seriously.

The truth is, the demographics are bad for baseball and questions of the future availability of water threatens growth. Greater Miami would make a more attractive baseball market.

TDog
02-07-2006, 12:29 AM
Bears?
Any older dyed in the wool Sox fan would support the Cardinals over the Bears, as they were my team when I was younger and they played in Comiskey Park! Can't just ignore them ,cause they moved..and moved..

I ran into a couple such Sox fans a couple of weeks ago when the Bears were getting beat in the playoffs.

Small world.

csufsoxfan
02-07-2006, 03:30 AM
but Mary you avoided the hardest question of all

who would you root for in a playoff game between
http://www.oandp.com/products/posimage/nhl1.gif



and

http://www.oandp.com/products/posimage/nhl2.gif

i say 2080 for this series. Thats probably the next time the Hawks will make the playoffs if the NHL is still around

Milw
02-07-2006, 08:38 AM
I live in Phoenix, and many people here are from somewhere else. I support the D'Backs against everybody other than the Sox and I'd venture to guess this is probably true in general. You support your hometown team when they play in your adopted city, but the rest of the time, you support your adopted team.

Also, I think it depends on how loyal you are to your hometown team. For example, I'd support the Sox over the D'Backs and the Bears over the Cardinals, but the Suns/Bulls would be a really tough call.
I've lived in Milwaukee for six years now, and it wasn't until about a month ago that I started thinking of myself as a "Milwaukeean." It was when, while watching a Bucks-Bulls game, I found myself rooting for the Bucks. It was a very bizarre moment.

Mary's right, though, about loyalty to your original team being the deciding factor. The Sox and Bears will always be my teams. Even though I've become a somewhat big Brewers fan, it would be a no-brainer who I'm rooting for in a Sox-Crew matchup. Of course, I'd never root for the Packers, period. That would simply be blasphemy.

soxfanatlanta
02-07-2006, 08:52 AM
Oh, I was agreeing with you- I just like to point out that Atlanta is a crappy sports town.:D: In reality, most southern cities are, unless the discussion centers around college football.

C'mon man, when are you finally going to accept NASCAR/Tractor Pulls as a valid sport?:tongue:

RichFitztightly
02-07-2006, 04:12 PM
Does this surprise anyone?

About seven years ago, I saw an space shuttle astronaut give a presentation to a large group. I don't remember if it was in Phoenix or Tucson. She showed shuttle photos of major U.S. cities. When she got to Las Vegas, the auditorium broke into laughter. Afterward, she said she always gets that reaction to Las Vegas. As a metropolitan area, nobody takes it seriously.

The truth is, the demographics are bad for baseball and questions of the future availability of water threatens growth. Greater Miami would make a more attractive baseball market.

Why? I'm curious as to the details of the photo.

TDog
02-07-2006, 10:48 PM
Why? I'm curious as to the details of the photo.

The photo was just a picture of a city in the desert, smaller than Phoenix, but nestled among barren terrain. The laughter was at the mention of Las Vegas as an American city, on par with Phoenix, Chicago, New York etc.

The astronaut said she heard that every time she showed the slide.

MiamiSpartan
02-08-2006, 09:55 AM
Looking more like it'll be the Hialeah Marlins after all...Portland is not stepping up with public funds for a ballpark. They voted against it a few years back, and they've recently said they would not vote for it now, either...