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Brian26
02-04-2006, 10:52 PM
Actually- the title is wrong. I meant 1998.

I was looking through some cards this afternoon. Albert Belle lead the American League in games played in 1998 according to his 2000 Topps card with 163. I checked retrosheet, and the Sox record in '98 was 80-82. Was there a rainout during the season that counted toward individual stats but not team stats?

lumpyspun
02-04-2006, 11:00 PM
That is very odd indeed. I looked it up on baseballreference and it too shows Albert played 163 games:
Age Games AB
LF Albert Belle (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/belleal01.shtml) 31 163 609

TheOldRoman
02-04-2006, 11:01 PM
A tie game was rained out after the 6th, so they restarted it.
I only know that becuase it came up on here a couple of months ago.

Wsoxmike59
02-04-2006, 11:22 PM
I remember something similar happening to Don Buford in 1966 when he played for the Sox. I noticed it on his baseball card and questioned my father about it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/41299/

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/higp2al.shtml

thomas35forever
02-05-2006, 12:43 AM
A tie game was rained out after the 6th, so they restarted it.
I only know that becuase it came up on here a couple of months ago.

I remember that game was a Sunday game in the middle of May against the Blue Jays at Comiskey. I was listening to the Bulls postgame show on the radio (ah, the days of the Jordan era) and Steve (Olkman?) was looking at the rest of the world of sports and said both teams records would remain the same.

As for 1999, the last game of the season was rained on before it became official, so only 161 games are counted in the standings for that season.

Gosox1917
02-05-2006, 01:13 AM
This was the first game I ever attended. April 22nd, 1998. Kind of a dissapointment with it ending in a tie but I remember being in awe the entire time. I remember it being a really cold day, at least for baseball. If I remember correctly, Albert Belle hit the first MLB homer I ever saw. I'm glad to know that it counted and wasn't erased due to the rainout.

Gosox1917
02-05-2006, 01:21 AM
As for 1999, the last game of the season was rained on before it became official, so only 161 games are counted in the standings for that season.

As I do the research, the last game of the season in 1999 went 6 and a half innings when it was called. I can't get the link to work but you can search it at retrosheet.org. Therefore, it counts but only as a tie and it was not made up since it was the last game of the year. So, the White Sox officially went 75-86-1 in 1999. Also, in 1999 the Sox had an even better winning percentage than the 2005 White Sox, in October, by going 2-0-1. :redneck

soxinem1
02-05-2006, 07:57 AM
I remember something similar happening to Don Buford in 1966 when he played for the Sox. I noticed it on his baseball card and questioned my father about it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/41299/

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/higp2al.shtml

Greg Walker also did it in 1985.

TDog
02-05-2006, 11:27 AM
It isn't that unusual for a team to play 163 games, although tie games seem to be getting rarer. In 1965, before the Cubs installed lights, and before the league started suspending darkness-ended games, the Cubs had two tie games, and both Billy Williams and Ron Santo played in 164 for the season.

In 1974, the Sox had three tie games and two games were not made up. They finished .500, with 80 wins, 80 losses and three ties. I attended one of the ties. The first Sunday home game of the season was called because of snow in the 11th. Ron Santo played on that Sox team, but no one, especially him, played ever game.

Huisj
02-05-2006, 12:14 PM
As I do the research, the last game of the season in 1999 went 6 and a half innings when it was called. I can't get the link to work but you can search it at retrosheet.org. Therefore, it counts but only as a tie and it was not made up since it was the last game of the year. So, the White Sox officially went 75-86-1 in 1999. Also, in 1999 the Sox had an even better winning percentage than the 2005 White Sox, in October, by going 2-0-1. :redneck

Was that the game Tanyon Sturtze started?

soxinem1
02-05-2006, 03:07 PM
Was that the game Tanyon Sturtze started?

Yes, he blew a 1-0 lead!!!

SweetnesSox
02-05-2006, 03:59 PM
also, if a player is traded mid-season, it's possible for him to play more than 162 games if the second team's schedule isn't as far along as the first team's.

PKalltheway
02-06-2006, 12:17 AM
It isn't that unusual for a team to play 163 games, although tie games seem to be getting rarer.
The Reds and Astros this past season played 163 games because of a game that was called on account of rain in the seventh inning on June 30th. I know this because I was there!:redneck Don't forget about the one game playoffs as well i.e. Reds vs. Mets, 1999, Cubs vs. Giants, 1998, etc.

TDog
02-06-2006, 09:43 AM
The Reds and Astros this past season played 163 games because of a game that was called on account of rain in the seventh inning on June 30th. I know this because I was there!:redneck Don't forget about the one game playoffs as well i.e. Reds vs. Mets, 1999, Cubs vs. Giants, 1998, etc.

Tied games still get rained out in stadiums that don't have retractable roofs. But a big reason reason there are fewer ties now is that baseball suspends more games than it used to. In the early 1970s, the Sox lost a game when Mike Andrews hit a home run in Baltimore to give the Sox a ninth-inning lead. The home run didn't count and the Sox lost because rain prevented the Sox from batting in the bottom half of the inning. Under today's rules the game would have been suspended.

It wasn't until after the 1978 playoff between the Red Sox and Yankees that MLB wrote a rule officially including players' records from such playoffs into their regular season totals, which I found odd. According to the record books, Bobby Thompson hit 264 career home runs. It doesn't make sense that most important and only one people remember more than four decades after his retirement wouldn't have been included in his totals.
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soxinem1
02-06-2006, 01:10 PM
also, if a player is traded mid-season, it's possible for him to play more than 162 games if the second team's schedule isn't as far along as the first team's.

It's a little off topic, but I recall Joel Youngblood once playing for two different teams on the same day and getting hits for both teams.

If he would have played all of, both of, his teams games, he might have done the 164.