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Hitmen77
01-30-2006, 08:54 PM
With all this talk about Frank's HOF credentials and the recent comparisons between him and Thome, I was wondering if people here thought Jim Thome, even if he never played another game, is a candidate for the Hall of Fame.

itsnotrequired
01-30-2006, 09:12 PM
With all this talk about Frank's HOF credentials and the recent comparisons between him and Thome, I was wondering if people here thought Jim Thome, even if he never played another game, is a candidate for the Hall of Fame.

Thome is a bit short at this point, IMO. He needs a few more years of good numbers.

Stoky44
01-30-2006, 09:23 PM
Thome is a bit short at this point, IMO. He needs a few more years of good numbers.

--------G:----AB :--R:-- Hits: 2B:- HR: RBI:--TB: --BB:-- SO: OPB:SLG-:AVG
Thome: 1738:5919:1151:1665:324:430:1193:3327:1257:1762:.4 08:.562:.281
Big Hurt:1959:6956:1327:2136:447:448:1465:3949:1466:11 65:.427:.568:.307


I agree, Thome is good but does not have the numbers for HOF. Plus Frank dominated more in his prime then Thome ever did.

3 Best Seasons
---------HR-OPB-SLG-AVG
Thomas:38:.487:.729:.353
-------:40:.459:.626:.349
-------:35:.456:.611:.347
Thome :38:.450:.612:.311
-------:49:.416:.624:.291
-------:52:.445:.677:.304
Last time played over 100 games:
Thomas:'03:42:.390:.562:.267
Thome: '04:42:.396:.581:.274


Thome 2 1/4 yrs younger, and probably will stay healthier longer. Not starting the whole Thomas vs. Thome thing again.

Ol' No. 2
01-30-2006, 09:26 PM
Thome was good, but never dominating like Frank was.

TheOldRoman
01-30-2006, 09:27 PM
He would be if he played 20 or 30 years ago.
Thome (and Frank) had the misfortune of playing in the steroid era. 400 homers used to be a huge accomplishment, but it isn't anymore. Hell, Fred McGriff had around 492 when he finally hung it up (not saying he was on roids).
The idiot writers who glorified Sosa and McGwire are the same hypocrits that will use them to judge other athletes. 400 homers from a big corn-fed country boy isn't that impressive when cheaters are pumping themselves with HGH and hitting 550-700 homers. Not only will they scoff at 400 homers, but they will say "how do we know he wasn't on steroids?"

I do think, however, that when Thome gets to 500 he should be a lock.

Bobby Thigpen
01-30-2006, 09:33 PM
At the current time- NO

If he has a good few years with the Sox- YES

itsnotrequired
01-30-2006, 09:34 PM
I do think, however, that when Thome gets to 500 he should be a lock.

Every other 500 HR player is in (minus actives and those not yet eligible).

Daver
01-30-2006, 09:40 PM
Every other 500 HR player is in (minus actives and those not yet eligible).

That does not mean that much.

Every player with over 1500 RBI is in as well, but I doubt Harold Baines will ever get elected.

Stoky44
01-30-2006, 09:48 PM
At the current time- NO

If he has a good few years with the Sox- YES

If good is .280-35-90, which I would be ok with, then no he won't get in.
If good is .300-40-105, which I would be happy with, then maybe.
If great, +.305 +40 +110, which I would dream to happen, for at least 3 years then he has a good shot after being on the ballot for a few years. By the way, 3 seasons of those great numbers would put him at Frank's numbers for hits and rbi, while way over 500hrs. BUT, Thome will not have ever dominated like Frank.

itsnotrequired
01-30-2006, 09:50 PM
Every player with over 1500 RBI is in as well, but I doubt Harold Baines will ever get elected.

Not with that attitude, he won't!:wink:

True, nothing is a lock but it would be unprecedented. We'll see how it plays out with guys like McGwire and Sosa. 400 HRs used to be the benchmark back in the day and that has since changed.

IlliniSox4Life
01-30-2006, 10:02 PM
With all this talk about Frank's HOF credentials and the recent comparisons between him and Thome, I was wondering if people here thought Jim Thome, even if he never played another game, is a candidate for the Hall of Fame.

He IS a candidate, but that doesn't mean he will get elected. He will go up for election, but depending on what he does from here on out, could fall short.

Stoky44
01-30-2006, 10:09 PM
Do you realize if Frank played 150 games in 1994, instead of the strike shorten season. In 93 he played 153, '92 160 and '95 145 so 150 games in 1994 would be reasonable.

He would still have around .350 avg, with 50hrs, 134rbi, 145BB, 187 hits, and only 80K's. WOW. Damn that strike:angry: .


DJ was also having a career year batting .312 in 369ABs. Third highest on the team behind Frank and Julio Franko, min of 300 AB. Ozzie was 4th in batting at .288. And Karko had a 3B on the season.

It is fun to check the stats from that year: http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/historical/player_stats.jsp?c_id=mlb&baseballScope=mlb&subScope=teamCode&teamPosCode=CHA&statType=1&sitSplit=&timeFrame=1&timeSubFrame=1994

GregoryEtc
01-30-2006, 11:01 PM
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times....

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/images/sandberg_ryne_1.jpg
"If I'm a hall of famer, everyone should be a hall of famer."

mccombe_35
01-31-2006, 12:28 AM
That does not mean that much.

Every player with over 1500 RBI is in as well, but I doubt Harold Baines will ever get elected.

Andre Dawson must have missed the call

:smile:

only 43 players have 1,500 RBIs. 7 are not yet eligible for the HOF. Frank, Manny, & Sheff could/should go over the 1,500 # this year also.

as all the career leader lists are being re-established it will be interesting to see who gets into the HOF.

TDog
01-31-2006, 12:33 AM
Of course, he has better numbers than Rabbit Maranville did at his age.

shes
01-31-2006, 05:16 PM
If good is .280-35-90, which I would be ok with, then no he won't get in.
If good is .300-40-105, which I would be happy with, then maybe.
If great, +.305 +40 +110, which I would dream to happen, for at least 3 years then he has a good shot after being on the ballot for a few years. By the way, 3 seasons of those great numbers would put him at Frank's numbers for hits and rbi, while way over 500hrs. BUT, Thome will not have ever dominated like Frank.

If Thome goes .280-35-90 each of the next 2 seasons, he's in. He'll have 500 homers, which makes him a lock.

Also, I would call .300-40-105 pretty great, considering he's coming off of an injury. He'll probably be top 5 in the MVP race if he posts those numbers and the Sox win their division.

downstairs
01-31-2006, 05:22 PM
Do you realize if Frank played 150 games in 1994, instead of the strike shorten season. In 93 he played 153, '92 160 and '95 145 so 150 games in 1994 would be reasonable.

He would still have around .350 avg, with 50hrs, 134rbi, 145BB, 187 hits, and only 80K's. WOW. Damn that strike:angry: .



Well, he's a player, and its the players who went on strike. Next time, don't strike, and you won't lose a year.

I honestly don't think Frank will have a problem getting into the HOF. But if any player does, and it turns out a good 1994 would have put them over the top... well, they quit for a year.

The Dude
01-31-2006, 06:23 PM
I think Thome will be a lock for the HOF. He is one of the most dominating lefty slugger ever and has played his ass off each and every year of his career...not to mention a stand up guy and a great teammate. I obviously hope his stint with us makes his case that much nicer!:D:

Stoky44
01-31-2006, 08:17 PM
If Thome goes .280-35-90 each of the next 2 seasons, he's in. He'll have 500 homers, which makes him a lock.

Also, I would call .300-40-105 pretty great, considering he's coming off of an injury. He'll probably be top 5 in the MVP race if he posts those numbers and the Sox win their division.

Will 500hr be enough now? Not being a smart ass, just wondering. You are probably right 500 hr, 2 seasons of 35, will make him a premier power hitter of the time. I was just putting out 3 seasons to get up to Frank's # of hits and rbi.

santo=dorf
01-31-2006, 08:49 PM
Thome was good, but never dominating like Frank was.
In fairness to Thome, Frank never really had stars in their prime like Belle, Alomar, Lofton, and Omar Vizquel along with a young Manny Ramirez surrounding him in the lineup, so it was harder for him to stand out.

A_ROW33
01-31-2006, 09:36 PM
Wouldn't hurt to have a ring or two

Nellie_Fox
02-01-2006, 01:28 AM
In fairness to Thome, Frank never really had stars in their prime like Belle, Alomar, Lofton, and Omar Vizquel along with a young Manny Ramirez surrounding him in the lineup, so it was harder for him to stand out.But it was easier for him to succeed.

santo=dorf
02-01-2006, 02:52 AM
But it was easier for him to succeed.
Not really. You could argue that he may have seen better pitches because of the guys behind him (I don't really recall what their order was,) andhe lost RBI opportunites thanks to Belle and Ramirez.

EastCoastSoxFan
02-01-2006, 09:44 AM
Some postseason heroics that help the

'06 SOX REPEAT

should help his cause...

SweetnesSox
02-01-2006, 10:05 AM
3 Best Seasons
---------HR-OPB-SLG-AVG
Thomas:38:.487:.729:.535
-------:40:.459:.626:.349
-------:35:.456:.611:.347
Thome :38:.450:.612:.311
-------:49:.416:.624:.291
-------:52:.445:.677:.304

who can forget the year Frank batted .500?

Stoky44
02-01-2006, 10:43 AM
who can forget the year Frank batted .500?

Sorry I put .535 avg, he batted .353 that year. I fixed it.

Mohoney
02-01-2006, 11:01 AM
That does not mean that much.

Every player with over 1500 RBI is in as well, but I doubt Harold Baines will ever get elected.

It's a damn shame, but Harold was probably one productive season too short. 134 hits, 12 doubles, and 16 home runs would have put him at 3000 hits, 500 doubles, and 400 home runs, and DH or no, those are Hall-worthy numbers. Only 8 players have ever done this (Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Eddie Murray, Rafael Palmeiro, Stan Musial, Dave Winfield, Cal Ripken Jr., and Carl Yastrzemski) in the history of the game.

For comparison, Al Kaline missed it by 1 home run and 2 doubles, Frank Robinson missed it by 57 hits, Mel Ott missed it by 124 hits and 12 doubles, Babe Ruth missed it by 127 hits, Rogers Hornsby missed it by 70 hits and 99 home runs, Al Simmons missed it by 73 hits and 93 home runs, and Andre Dawson missed it by 226 hits. This looks like pretty exclusive company to me.

I guess that I'm just hoping against hope that the DH question will become secondary to the steroid question, and Harold can get in the Hall.