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soxfan13
01-21-2006, 12:46 PM
I am sure this has been done before but was wondering Your all-time White Sox team that you have personally seen. Mine is

C Carlton Fisk
1b Paul Konerko
2b Ray Durham
SS Ozzie Guillen
3b Robin Ventura
Of Albert Belle
Of Chet Lemon
Of Magglio Ordonez
DH Frank Thomas
SP Jack Mcdowell
Closer Bobby Thigpen

I think that would be a pretty decent team

itsnotrequired
01-21-2006, 12:48 PM
Nellie Fox has to be the pick for 2B.

EDIT: Damn, didn't notice the "you have personally seen" clause.:redface:

soxfan13
01-21-2006, 12:50 PM
Thats Fine but I never saw him play I wasnt born yet LOL maybe i should edit it to make it clearer that you have had to seen them in person

soxfan13
01-21-2006, 12:51 PM
LMAO:D: Just noticed your edit LMAO

BainesHOF
01-21-2006, 12:53 PM
RF: a guy named Baines

soxfan13
01-21-2006, 12:56 PM
I loved Baines believe me this is just a thread to see everyones favorites

chisoxmike
01-21-2006, 12:56 PM
Albert Belle, Ray Durham...???????

SOXintheBURGH
01-21-2006, 12:58 PM
C - Pudge
1B - ALCS MVP
2B - Why not Tadahito?
3B - Robin
SS - Ozzie
OF - Baines
OF - Belle
OF - Maggli-who?
DH - Frank
SP - McDowell/Buehrle
C - Thigpen

FarWestChicago
01-21-2006, 12:59 PM
Ray Durham...???????I guess he likes fire hydrants. :redneck

DSpivack
01-21-2006, 01:07 PM
As much as I love Ozzie, he wasn't the best SS...I'd pick Uribe over him.

And as for 1B, early in his career Frank was a 1B, sorry Paulie.

soxfan13
01-21-2006, 01:09 PM
Albert Belle, Ray Durham...???????

Albert Belle 1998
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA
163 609 113 200 48 2 49 152 6 4 81 84 .328

Yeah that year was pretty average :wink:

soxfan13
01-21-2006, 01:14 PM
As much as I love Ozzie, he wasn't the best SS...I'd pick Uribe over him.

And as for 1B, early in his career Frank was a 1B, sorry Paulie.

I would pick Uribe over Ozzie if he can string a few more good years same with Tadihito at 2nd as for frank and paulie you can switch them however you want dh or 1b

soxfan26
01-21-2006, 01:20 PM
Your all-time White Sox team that you have personally seen.

My Lineup...

LF - Tim Raines
3B - Robin Ventura
DH - Frank Thomas
RF - Harold Baines
1B - Paul Konerko
C - Carlton Fisk
2B - Ray Durham
CF - Lance Johnson
SS - Ozzie Guillen

My Rotation & Closer...

Mark Buehrle
Jack McDowell
Britt Burns
Floyd Bannister

CP - Bobby Thigpen


My Manager...

Ozzie Guillen

soxfan13
01-21-2006, 01:27 PM
Forgot Manager Ya have to take Guillen for leading the White Sox to the promised land :supernana:

Brian26
01-21-2006, 01:30 PM
Britt Burns


I know we all have a place in our hearts for Britt Burns, but he's in your top 5? I'd probably put Alex Fernandez up there before Burns.

BV2005
01-21-2006, 01:34 PM
C - Carlton Fisk
1B - Paul Konerko
2B - Ray Durham
SS - Ozzie Guillen
3B - Robin Ventura
RF - Harold Baines
CF - Lance Johnson
LF - Bo Jackson
DH - Frank Thomas

SP - Mark Buhrlee
SP - Jack McDowel
SP - Jon Garland
SP - Jason Bere
SP - James Baldwin

DSpivack
01-21-2006, 01:37 PM
C - Carlton Fisk
1B - Paul Konerko
2B - Ray Durham
SS - Ozzie Guillen
3B - Robin Ventura
RF - Harold Baines
CF - Lance Johnson
LF - Bo Jackson
DH - Frank Thomas

SP - Mark Buehrle
SP - Jack McDowell
SP - Jon Garland
SP - Jason Bere
SP - James Baldwin

I'd pick Alex Fernandez over Bere and Wilson Hernandez over Baldwin, but that's just me...

kevin57
01-21-2006, 01:44 PM
So far none of the lists have any players that pre-date the '70s!

For SS, I don't know how one ignores Aparicio, for instance.
And what about players from the 1917/1919 Sox (despite the infamy of the latter)?

More historical perspective is needed.

soxinem1
01-21-2006, 01:47 PM
I have a couple ties in my lineup...

C - Carlton Fisk
1B - Frank Thomas
2B - Ray Durham
SS - Ozzie Guillen
3B - Robin Ventura/Vance Law
LF - Tim Raines
CF - Chet Lemon
RF - Harold Baines
DH - Paul Konerko



My Rotation & Closer...

Britt Burns/Richard Dotson
Mark Buehrle
Jack McDowell
Wilbur Wood
Alex Fernandez


CP - Roberto Hernandez


My Manager...

Jeff Torborg

soxfan13
01-21-2006, 01:47 PM
So far none of the lists have any players that pre-date the '70s!

For SS, I don't know how one ignores Aparicio, for instance.
And what about players from the 1917/1919 Sox (despite the infamy of the latter)?

More historical perspective is needed.

This isnt a historical team this is your team that you have seen the players play in person me personally i wasnt alive in 1917 or 50s or 60s started following the white sox in 1977 when i was 7 years old

soxinem1
01-21-2006, 01:50 PM
So far none of the lists have any players that pre-date the '70s!

For SS, I don't know how one ignores Aparicio, for instance.
And what about players from the 1917/1919 Sox (despite the infamy of the latter)?

More historical perspective is needed.

True, but the thread did say something about players 'witnessed'. In that case, I could put Minnie, but many people did not see Looie play.

That should be the 'All-Time Best White Sox Team' thread.

Palehose13
01-21-2006, 01:55 PM
C - Carlton Fisk
1B - Frank Thomas
2B - Tadahito Iguchi
SS - Ozzie Guillen
3B - Robin Ventura
LF - Tim Raines
CF - Lance Johnson
RF - Harold Baines
DH - Albert Belle

SP- Jack McDowell
SP- Mark Buehrle
SP- LaMarr Hoyt
SP- Jon Garland
SP- Alex Fernandez

RP- Bobby Thigpen

chisoxmike
01-21-2006, 02:36 PM
C- Carlton Fisk
1B- Paul Konerko
2B- Joey Cora
SS- Juan Uribe
3B- Robin Ventura
DH- Frank Thomas
LF- Tim Raines
CF- Lance Johnson
RF- Harold Baines

SP- Jack McDowell
SP- Mark Buehrle
SP- Alex Fernandez
SP- Wilson Alverez

chisoxfan64
01-21-2006, 03:16 PM
C-Carlton Fisk
1B-Dick Allen
2B-Mike Andrews
SS-Don Kessinger Uribe
3B-Ron Santo Robin Ventura
OF-Harold Baines
OF-Chet Lemon
OF-Carlos May

SP-Wilbur Wood
SP-Mark Buehrle
SP-Lamar Hoyt
SP-Jim Kaat

RP-Rich "goose" Gossage

DH-Frank

Chicken Dinner
01-21-2006, 03:32 PM
C- Carlton Fisk
1B- Paul Konerko
2B- Joey Cora
SS- Juan Uribe
3B- Robin Ventura
DH- Frank Thomas
LF- Tim Raines
CF- Lance Johnson
RF- Harold Baines

SP- Jack McDowell
SP- Mark Buehrle
SP- Alex Fernandez
SP- Wilson Alverez

Joey Cora.......come on now!

chisoxmike
01-21-2006, 03:37 PM
Joey Cora.......come on now!

Ha, I just didn't want to have a lot of current players on the roster.

doublem23
01-21-2006, 03:43 PM
Ask and you shall recieve...

http://whitesoxinteractive.com/SoxGreats.htm

The message boards aren't the only reason this is the greatest Sox Fan site on the web. :Rocker:

mccombe_35
01-21-2006, 04:03 PM
Great concept for the best players by position. if you are judging by a single season there is no way Belle & Loaiza could be left off the list. & no love for Carlos Lee in LF?

anyways... (honorable mention)

1B Frank (Konerko)
2B Ray
SS Guillen
3B Ventura
LF Lee (Raines, Belle)
CF 1 Dog
RF Maggs
C Fisk

SP Jack
SP Buehrle
SP Loaiza
SP TBD - Garland, Freddy, Contreras?

RP Thigpen (Hernandez)

soxfan26
01-21-2006, 04:19 PM
I know we all have a place in our hearts for Britt Burns, but he's in your top 5? I'd probably put Alex Fernandez up there before Burns.

Let's just say that special place in my heart is BIG. :cool:

Frater Perdurabo
01-21-2006, 04:24 PM
Ask and you shall recieve...

http://whitesoxinteractive.com/SoxGreats.htm

The message boards aren't the only reason this is the greatest Sox Fan site on the web. :Rocker:
Thanks for the link. I really can't disagree with that list, even though I didn't see many of them play (I was born in 1976). However, only four starting pitchers are listed. I think before too long Mark Buehrle would earn a spot as the #5 on the linked list.

Edit: And methinks Ozzie might edge out Al Lopez as best manager if a vote were taken today....

mccombe_35
01-21-2006, 04:37 PM
Thanks for the link. I really can't disagree with that list, even though I didn't see many of them play (I was born in 1976). However, only four starting pitchers are listed. I think before too long Mark Buehrle would earn a spot as the #5 on the linked list.

Edit: And methinks Ozzie might edge out Al Lopez as best manager if a vote were taken today....

Just saw the list. i know it was taken in '99 - but - Melton over Ventura? & by era the vote fot the 90's mvp went to Ventura 1st & Bo 2nd? NO FRANK????????? are among the results that i do not agree with....

kevin57
01-21-2006, 04:47 PM
True, but the thread did say something about players 'witnessed'. In that case, I could put Minnie, but many people did not see Looie play.

That should be the 'All-Time Best White Sox Team' thread.

Sorry, I stand correctly. I should have read the thread's description more carefully.:redface:

MarySwiss
01-21-2006, 04:48 PM
Okay, you all know I adore Paul Konerko. He's my favorite player. But I have to give an honorable mention to Jim Spencer for being able to pull in all those errant Alan Bannister throws.

OMG, I just went to ESPN to try to research Spencer, and I pulled up the Sox's history. Believe it or not, under "postseason results," the most recent mention is the 2000 LDS sweep by Seattle. True, the update only runs through the 2004 season, but WHY? What do they do, wait until the 2006 season starts (or ends) to update their stats for 2005?

doublem23
01-21-2006, 05:06 PM
Just saw the list. i know it was taken in '99 - but - Melton over Ventura? & by era the vote fot the 90's mvp went to Ventura 1st & Bo 2nd? NO FRANK????????? are among the results that i do not agree with....
Players who were named to the "starting 9" were not eligible for the Hall of Fame for Every Era vote. The Big Hurt is the 1B.

I would have voted for Ventura over Melton, too, but it's not like he didn't have a great Sox career.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/meltobi01.shtml

munchman33
01-21-2006, 05:12 PM
Where's Mike Caruso?

we be jake
01-21-2006, 05:19 PM
1-b Big Klu
2-b Nellie
Ss Little Looie
3b Robin
Lf Minnie
Cf Jim Landis
Rf Harold
C Carlton
Dh Big Frank
Sp Early Wynn

Cp Thig

TomBradley72
01-21-2006, 06:15 PM
(my range of players I've seen is 1971-now)

C Carlton Fisk
1b Dick Allen
2b Tadahito Iguchi
SS Ozzie Guillen
3b Robin Ventura
Of Harold Baines
Of Chet Lemon
Of Magglio Ordonez
DH Frank Thomas
SP WIbur Wood
Closer Rich Gossage

TornLabrum
01-21-2006, 06:28 PM
Remember, I go back to 1955, so I really have seen all these guys:

C: Carlton Fisk
1B: Dick Allen (only because I have Frank as DH)
2B: Nellie Fox
SS: Luis Aparicio
3B: Robin Ventura
LF: Minnie Minoso (should have been in the HOF years ago)
CF: Jim Landis
RF: Harold Baines
DH: Frank Thomas

SP: Billy Pierce (See Minnie Minoso)
SP: Gary Peters
SP: Jack McDowell
SP: Mark Buehrle
SP: Jim Kaat (Short tenure with the Sox but won twenty both years)
RP: Hoyt Wilhelm

MinnieMinoso
01-22-2006, 12:13 AM
I was born 1935, so I have also seen all these players. Torn Labrum is going to think I copied his, but I didn't see his post till I had written mine down.

C Fisk
1B Dick Allen
2B Nellie Fox
SS Louie Aparicio
3B Robin Ventura
LF Minnie Minoso
CF Jim Landis
Rf Harold Baines
DH Frank Thomas

SP Billy Pierce
SP Gary Peters
SP Earley Wynn
SP Wilber Wood
SP Mark Buehrle

RP Hoyt Wilhelm

Manager Paul Richards

TornLabrum
01-22-2006, 07:18 AM
I was born 1935, so I have also seen all these players. Torn Labrum is going to think I copied his, but I didn't see his post till I had written mine down.

C Fisk
1B Dick Allen
2B Nellie Fox
SS Louie Aparicio
3B Robin Ventura
LF Minnie Minoso
CF Jim Landis
Rf Harold Baines
DH Frank Thomas

SP Billy Pierce
SP Gary Peters
SP Earley Wynn
SP Wilber Wood
SP Mark Buehrle

RP Hoyt Wilhelm

Manager Paul Richards

Good list! :D: The only thing we seem to differ on is that I didn't put Wynn in mine, mainly because he only had one good year with us ('59). I almost put him because it did get us to a World Series, but Kaat at least had two consecutive 20-win seasons in his two years with us. Not a bad accomplishment.

I also came close to putting either Horlen (too much hard luck) and John (didn't hit his prime until he left us). I only wish I'd seen Ted Lyons pitch so I could have a five-man rotation I was satisfied with. (One of my two favorite quotes from Don Gutteridge came during spring training just before our heroes went out and lost 106 games. He said about his top starters, "Remember the Boston Braves with Spahn and Sain and pray for rain? This year for us it'll be Horlen and John and then we get bombed.")

cws05champ
01-22-2006, 08:09 AM
I know this goes against the spirit of this thread, but the best TEAM I have seen is this past years team....not a collection of players from different eras.

LuzinskiFan
01-22-2006, 08:46 AM
I'lve been watching the Sox since '82 so here's my team:

C- Fisk
1B - Thomas
2B - Durham
3B - Ventura
SS - Guillen
LF - Kittle
CF - One Dog
RF - Baines
DH - Luzinski
SP - Hoyt
RP - Thigpen

SouthSide_HitMen
01-22-2006, 09:46 AM
Credit for time with for White Sox (i.e. Tom Seaver and Steve Carlton are two of the best pitchers ever but do not qualify for this based as this is only for time played on the White Sox).

C Carlton Fisk
1B Frank Thomas
2B Ray Durham
SS Ozzie Guillen
3B Robin Ventura
RF Magglio Ordonez
CF Chet Lemon
LF Tim Raines
DH Harold Baines

SP Mark Buehrle
SP Jack McDowell
SP Wilber Wood
SP Alex Fernandez

RP Bobby Thigpen

Bucky F. Dent
01-22-2006, 11:15 AM
Ive been following this team since the early seventies, so here we go......

C - Fisk
1b - Frank Thomas (with honorable mentions to Walker & Spencer, and Squires, and the immortal Dick Allen)
2b - Jorge Orta (I was never a fan of Durham, Jorge was the best player at what has been generally a black hole position for the Sox since I started following them)
ss - Ozzie (I love Bucky, but Ozzie was a better player)
3b - robin ventura
Lf - Tim Raines
Cf - Chet Lemon
Rf - Harold Baines (with an honorable mention to Richie Zisk and one incredible year)
DH - Luzinski/Kittle

SP - Jack McDowell
SP - Buehrle
SP - Britt Burns
SP - Lamar Hoyt
(with an honorable mention to Ken Kravec, and Steve Trout, and Ross Baumgarten, and Francisco Barrios, and Melido Perez, and Rich Dotson, and Wilson Alvarez, and Jason Bere and Alex Fernandez who I all dreamed at one time or another would be the next Cy Young.)
Closer - Thiggy!

Paulwny
01-22-2006, 01:09 PM
I was born 1935, so I have also seen all these players. Torn Labrum is going to think I copied his, but I didn't see his post till I had written mine down.

C Fisk
1B Dick Allen
2B Nellie Fox
SS Louie Aparicio
3B Robin Ventura
LF Minnie Minoso
CF Jim Landis
Rf Harold Baines
DH Frank Thomas

SP Billy Pierce
SP Gary Peters
SP Earley Wynn
SP Wilber Wood
SP Mark Buehrle

RP Hoyt Wilhelm

Manager Paul Richards

Agree with the starting nine, my changes:
Joel Horlen instead of Wynn
Lopez instead of Richards

Brian26
01-22-2006, 01:23 PM
DH - Luzinski/Kittle

These guys were just too one-dimensional/strike-out kings, although both were fan favorites. I'd probably still pick Frank for the DH spot.

BV2005
01-22-2006, 01:56 PM
I'd pick Alex Fernandez over Bere and Wilson Hernandez over Baldwin, but that's just me...

Why Bere sparked the 1993 team in the second half of the season, and was on fire in 2004 before the strike. And Baldwin lead the White Sox pitching in 2000 when they won the division championship. But I guess its just a matter of opinion. And wasn't there a Wilson Alverez, and a Roberto Hernandez, I dont remember a Wilson Hernandez

DSpivack
01-23-2006, 12:55 AM
Why Bere sparked the 1993 team in the second half of the season, and was on fire in 2004 before the strike. And Baldwin lead the White Sox pitching in 2000 when they won the division championship. But I guess its just a matter of opinion. And wasn't there a Wilson Alverez, and a Roberto Hernandez, I dont remember a Wilson Hernandez

haha, yeah, silly me. Wilson Alvarez. Bere was good in 1993 and 1994, but other than that he didn't have a good career with the Sox. Alvarez, not McDowell or Fernandez, had the lowest era on the 1993 team, was with the Sox for quite a few years, and was the last Sox pitcher to have a no-hitter.

Fernandez is similar. His tenure was along the same years and was nearly as dominant as Black Jack.

As for the link earlier provided, the all-time Sox team, why is Luis Aparicio the SS and not Luke Appling? edit: honorable mention to Zeke Bonura.

areilly
01-23-2006, 12:18 PM
I started following the Sox in the late '80's, so my apologies to Tony's crew. Lineup for the all-Sox-all-time-based-only-on-their-time-here, all-players-I've-seen, game-seven-of-the-World-Series-and-starters-will-be-used-as-relievers game:

1B: Paul Konerko
2B: Ray Durham
3B: Robin Ventura
SS: Juan Uribe
C: Carlton Fisk
LF: Tim Raines
CF: Albert Belle
RF: Magglio Ordonez

SP: Jack McDowell
SP: Alex Fernandez
SP: Mark Buehrle
SP: Esteban Loaiza

CP: Bobby Thigpen

DH: Frank Thomas

I'm reminded of the so-called litmus test on how a young Sox fan can be measured. If someone born between 1975 and 1982 claims to be a hardcore White Sox devotee, the telling question is always "Okay, if you're so hardcore, who's the greatest pitcher of all time?" A common fan of the sport might say Clemens, Nolan Ryan, Randy J., Maddux, etc.

The Sox fan, of course, will not hesitate to shout "Blackjack!"
:redneck