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itsnotrequired
01-19-2006, 04:08 PM
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01/19/2006 3:38 PM ET

White Sox invite 19 players to Spring Training

The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on minor-league contracts with left-handed pitchers Chad Bentz, Javier Lopez and Stephen Randolph, right-handed pitchers Agustin Montero and Tim Redding, outfielders Darren Blakely and Ben Grieve and infielder Jorge Velandia. All eight players, in addition to 11 players within the White Sox system, have received non-roster invites to the club's spring training camp in Tucson, Ariz.

Pitchers Lance Broadway and Ray Liotta, outfielder Ryan Sweeney and third baseman Josh Fields, Top 10 prospects in the White Sox organization according to Baseball America, headline the list of players within the organization who have received invites to major-league camp.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060119&content_id=1298152&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

No real surprises here...

Corlose 15
01-19-2006, 04:10 PM
Wow, Ben Grieve. I remember when he was supposed to be the next big thing.

KRS1
01-19-2006, 04:16 PM
This blurb from BA on Monero,"Agustin Montero is armed with mid-90s heat, but his command is a concern."

Sounds like he's got a great arm, but so does Franklin Nunez who happens to be available after the Rays waived him.

daveeym
01-19-2006, 04:17 PM
They left my name off the list.

IlliniSox
01-19-2006, 04:19 PM
Wow, Ben Grieve. I remember when he was supposed to be the next big thing.

His bank account still makes him look like a big thing. I want to say he signed for 4/$25m after his rookie year?

IlliniSox
01-19-2006, 04:23 PM
His bank account still makes him look like a big thing. I want to say he signed for 4/$25m after his rookie year?

Check that, just his last year of that deal was for ~$6m. He still did alright, 4/$13m.

KRS1
01-19-2006, 04:23 PM
Where can I find the whole list? If I were to guess the others are Malone, Reynoso, Munoz, Owens, Tracey, Baj, and Valido maybe Lopez.

DaleJRFan
01-19-2006, 04:30 PM
Man, I love these announcements... they can only mean one thing:

The number of days until baseball season kicks off is SHRINKING

GregoryEtc
01-19-2006, 04:42 PM
Ray Liotta?

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"I'll play for food money!"

sox1970
01-19-2006, 04:44 PM
Where can I find the whole list? If I were to guess the others are Malone, Reynoso, Munoz, Owens, Tracey, Baj, and Valido maybe Lopez.

Reynoso, Munoz, Owens, Tracey, Bajenaru, and Lopez are already on the 40-man roster. I would assume Malone is a non-roster invitee. Since they only have 3 catchers on the roster, they probably invited some of their other catchers in the organization like Hernandez and Lucy.

KRS1
01-19-2006, 05:00 PM
Ray Liotta?

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"I'll play for food money!"

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Did you say food?

Soxheads
01-19-2006, 05:04 PM
We have the list and Winston-Salem PR up on FutureSox (http://www.futuresox.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=245&mode=&order=0&thold=0)
Pitchers (8) B T Ht. Wt. 2005 Club(s) W-L ERA IP SO
Chad Bentz R L 6-2 210 Class AA Carolina 1-0 1.29 7.0 5
Class AAA Albuquerque 0-1 4.01 33.2 32
FLORIDA 0-0 31.50 2.0 0
Lance Broadway R R 6-4 190 Class A Winston-Salem 1-3 4.58 55.0 58
Ray Liotta L L 6-3 220 Class A Kannapolis 8-3 2.26 115.1 107
Class A Winston-Salem 6-2 1.45 49.2 37
Javy Lopez L L 6-4 200 COLORADO 0-0 22.50 2.0 1
Class AAA Tucson 0-1 2.22 24.1 16
ARIZONA 1-1 9.42 14.1 11
Corwin Malone R L 6-3 200 Class AA Birmingham 5-5 4.53 97.1 81
Agustin Montero R R 6-3 210 Class AA Frisco 2-4 5.46 61.0 69
Class AAA Oklahoma 0-0 5.40 5.0 4
Ste. Randolph L L 6-3 200 Class AAA Fresno 1-1 3.40 39.2 50
Class AAA New Orleans 2-2 9.62 29.0 34
Tim Redding R R 6-0 195 SAN DIEGO 0-5 9.10 29.2 17
Class AAA Portland 0-0 0.90 10.0 5
Class AAA Columbus 3-4 5.08 51.1 47
NEW YORK-AL 0-1 54.00 1.0 2


Catchers (3) B T Ht. Wt. 2005 Club(s) AVG G HR RBI
Carlos Lee R R 6-1 220 Class A Winston-Salem .289 84 14 48
Donny Lucy R R 6-3 210 Class A Kannapolis .264 54 1 22
Gustavo Molina R R 6-2 180 Class A Winston-Salem .261 109 11 41


Infielders (5) B T Ht. Wt. 2005 Club(s) AVG G HR RBI
Josh Fields R R 6-2 210 Class AA Birmingham .252 134 16 79
Andy Gonzalez R R 6-2 180 Class AA Birmingham .274 123 4 63
Tim Hummel R R 6-2 190 Class AAA Pawtucket .250 64 4 27
Class AAA Memphis .275 56 6 23
Robert Valido R R 6-2 180 Class A Winston-Salem .288 119 8 59
Jorge Velandia R R 5-9 180 Class AAA Indianapolis .277 105 3 39


Outfielders (3) B T Ht. Wt. 2005 Club(s) AVG G HR RBI
Darren Blakely S R 6-1 190 Class AA Birmingham .283 128 18 89
Ben Grieve L R 6-4 210 Class AAA Iowa .266 86 14 51
CUBS .250 23 0 1
Ryan Sweeney L L 6-4 200 Class AA Birmingham .298 113 1 48

Chicken Dinner
01-19-2006, 05:04 PM
:weewillie :everett: :timo:

It just won't be the same without the three stooges.

KRS1
01-19-2006, 05:18 PM
We have the list and Winston-Salem PR up on FutureSox (http://www.futuresox.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=245&mode=&order=0&thold=0)
Pitchers (8) B T Ht. Wt. 2005 Club(s) W-L ERA IP SO
Chad Bentz R L 6-2 210 Class AA Carolina 1-0 1.29 7.0 5
Class AAA Albuquerque 0-1 4.01 33.2 32
FLORIDA 0-0 31.50 2.0 0
Lance Broadway R R 6-4 190 Class A Winston-Salem 1-3 4.58 55.0 58
Ray Liotta L L 6-3 220 Class A Kannapolis 8-3 2.26 115.1 107
Class A Winston-Salem 6-2 1.45 49.2 37
Javy Lopez L L 6-4 200 COLORADO 0-0 22.50 2.0 1
Class AAA Tucson 0-1 2.22 24.1 16
ARIZONA 1-1 9.42 14.1 11
Corwin Malone R L 6-3 200 Class AA Birmingham 5-5 4.53 97.1 81
Agustin Montero R R 6-3 210 Class AA Frisco 2-4 5.46 61.0 69
Class AAA Oklahoma 0-0 5.40 5.0 4
Ste. Randolph L L 6-3 200 Class AAA Fresno 1-1 3.40 39.2 50
Class AAA New Orleans 2-2 9.62 29.0 34
Tim Redding R R 6-0 195 SAN DIEGO 0-5 9.10 29.2 17
Class AAA Portland 0-0 0.90 10.0 5
Class AAA Columbus 3-4 5.08 51.1 47
NEW YORK-AL 0-1 54.00 1.0 2


Catchers (3) B T Ht. Wt. 2005 Club(s) AVG G HR RBI
Carlos Lee R R 6-1 220 Class A Winston-Salem .289 84 14 48
Donny Lucy R R 6-3 210 Class A Kannapolis .264 54 1 22
Gustavo Molina R R 6-2 180 Class A Winston-Salem .261 109 11 41


Infielders (5) B T Ht. Wt. 2005 Club(s) AVG G HR RBI
Josh Fields R R 6-2 210 Class AA Birmingham .252 134 16 79
Andy Gonzalez R R 6-2 180 Class AA Birmingham .274 123 4 63
Tim Hummel R R 6-2 190 Class AAA Pawtucket .250 64 4 27
Class AAA Memphis .275 56 6 23
Robert Valido R R 6-2 180 Class A Winston-Salem .288 119 8 59
Jorge Velandia R R 5-9 180 Class AAA Indianapolis .277 105 3 39


Outfielders (3) B T Ht. Wt. 2005 Club(s) AVG G HR RBI
Darren Blakely S R 6-1 190 Class AA Birmingham .283 128 18 89
Ben Grieve L R 6-4 210 Class AAA Iowa .266 86 14 51
CUBS .250 23 0 1
Ryan Sweeney L L 6-4 200 Class AA Birmingham .298 113 1 48


Nice to see you guys get back to work. When can I expect the top 25?

RallyBowl
01-19-2006, 05:38 PM
No Honel?

JUribe1989
01-19-2006, 05:47 PM
I think Grieve would have a reasonable chance at making the team over Owens, any thoughts?

KRS1
01-19-2006, 05:49 PM
No Honel?

There's a rumor that he had TJ surgery, but no solid proof. Either way he's in no position to make the team, and would serve us much better by getting healthy in the minors.

KRS1
01-19-2006, 05:52 PM
I think Grieve would have a reasonable chance at making the team over Owens, any thoughts?


Borch is a more versatile fielder than him, so I would see Joe making the team over Ben. They are pretty much mirror images of each other at the plate, both strike out a lot and both bring good power, but Ben at least had success in maintaining a high average and OBP while doing so.

Ol' No. 2
01-19-2006, 05:53 PM
I think Grieve would have a reasonable chance at making the team over Owens, any thoughts?Given that Owens has very little chance of making the team...

soxinem1
01-19-2006, 06:58 PM
Borch is a more versatile fielder than him, so I would see Joe making the team over Ben. They are pretty much mirror images of each other at the plate, both strike out a lot and both bring good power, but Ben at least had success in maintaining a high average and OBP while doing so.

I agree, Grieve has to be one of the worst OF defensively all-time. Slow, real ****** arm, can't read the ball. I'm not sure if we need a guy who will hit 13 HR and KO 150 times if he ever got 500 AB. I hope he's just around to fill the AAA roster like Jeremy Giambi last year.

Soxheads
01-19-2006, 10:04 PM
Nice to see you guys get back to work. When can I expect the top 25?


Sometime in late September at our rate. That'll be our preseason release.:D

Probably some time around the start of the season, knowing Jason, but I know he's got a lot on his plate right now, and the man can't eat real fast.

White Sox Randy
01-20-2006, 10:05 AM
I've seen Grieve play a number of times the last few years and can't think of a thing that he could add to the White Sox.

Other than a possible lefty reliever, I doubt that anyone here sniffs the big leagues - unless there is some rash of injuries.

caulfield12
01-21-2006, 12:39 PM
No Honel?

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/news/050420montero.html

Apparently, Montero was busted for steroids...maybe that explains his mid-90s stuff, lol....here is some more info, looks like a more recent equivalent of Jon Adkins in the minors, pre-Sox.

caulfield12
01-21-2006, 12:43 PM
I've seen Grieve play a number of times the last few years and can't think of a thing that he could add to the White Sox.

Other than a possible lefty reliever, I doubt that anyone here sniffs the big leagues - unless there is some rash of injuries.

Redding will probably start the season in Charlotte, unless he declines the assignment. Otherwise, he will be the last man out of the bullpen.

I would actually prefer to let McCarthy begin the season as a starter in Charlotte, then come up as a starter when NEEDED, but the Sox seem determined to utilize him as reliever.

Of course, you also have the three lefties (Bentz, Randolph, Lopez), Malone, Munoz, Tracey and Bajenaru also fighting for that same spot.

Foulke You
01-21-2006, 07:30 PM
Redding will probably start the season in Charlotte, unless he declines the assignment. Otherwise, he will be the last man out of the bullpen.
Some info on Tim Redding from whitesox.com:

Spin: Redding was 0-6 with a 10.57 ERA in seven starts and three relief appearances with San Diego and the New York Yankees last season. He'll get a look from the White Sox, but he may be running out chances to impress.

Rundown of his 2004 season:
Tim Redding had a disappointing season, both for himself and the organization. He was expected to be a solid No. 5 starter, if not better. But he stumbled out of the gate, and eventually was sent to Triple-A before coming back up in September and spending most of his time in the bullpen.Pitching, Defense & Hitting. Redding might be the team's biggest pitching enigma. During an impressive rise through the minors, he was expected to one day be one of the team's best pitchers, with a two- and four-seam fastball, hard-breaking curve and slider. But he also had a reputation for blowing up when things went badly. He had command problems all last year and team officials aren't sure why. Redding is a fair hitter who laid down the sacrifice bunt well in 2003, and an ordinary fielder. Basestealers pretty much have their way with him.

StockdaleForVeep
01-21-2006, 10:21 PM
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01/19/2006 3:38 PM ET

White Sox invite 19 players to Spring Training



http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060119&content_id=1298152&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

No real surprises here...

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JB98
01-22-2006, 02:44 AM
I think Grieve would have a reasonable chance at making the team over Owens, any thoughts?

It depends on whether the 25th spot on the roster goes to a fifth outfielder or a 12th pitcher. If the Sox decide to go with four outfielders, I can't see Grieve making the club. A fourth outfielder needs to be able to handle all three spots out there defensively. Grieve is obviously not the answer in that regard. I'm not a fan of Borchard by any means, but he would seem to have the inside track because he's a respectable defensive player. Grieve isn't much more than a lefty PH at this point, IMO.

KRS1
01-22-2006, 02:52 AM
It depends on whether the 25th spot on the roster goes to a fifth outfielder or a 12th pitcher. If the Sox decide to go with four outfielders, I can't see Grieve making the club. A fourth outfielder needs to be able to handle all three spots out there defensively. Grieve is obviously not the answer in that regard. I'm not a fan of Borchard by any means, but he would seem to have the inside track because he's a respectable defensive player. Grieve isn't much more than a lefty PH at this point, IMO.

We have 3 rosters spots that are available of now, so it is a basically a lock we will have another OF beside Mackowiak on the bench. It should be Borchard because of his ability to play the entire OF, and his power potential as a PH. That leaves two spots open, which IMO will definitely go to pitchers seeing how we only have four real pen guys and one six starter in there now, not to mention insurance for Dustin's bad back. There's no way Grieve makes the team with Ozzie at the helm, but we could carry 6 in the pen and grab one extra middle infielder although that probanbly equally unlikely as Ben being there.

JB98
01-22-2006, 01:01 PM
We have 3 rosters spots that are available of now, so it is a basically a lock we will have another OF beside Mackowiak on the bench. It should be Borchard because of his ability to play the entire OF, and his power potential as a PH. That leaves two spots open, which IMO will definitely go to pitchers seeing how we only have four real pen guys and one six starter in there now, not to mention insurance for Dustin's bad back. There's no way Grieve makes the team with Ozzie at the helm, but we could carry 6 in the pen and grab one extra middle infielder although that probanbly equally unlikely as Ben being there.

I don't think we have a spot for another infielder: Konerko, Thome, Iguchi, Uribe, Crede, Mackowiak, Ozuna. We're set with those seven.

A lot depends on the health of the pitchers. If all our starters are healthy and Hermanson is healthy coming out of camp, we don't need a 12th pitcher. I remember last year they called up Adkins to be the seventh man in the 'pen, and he just sat there and rotted. Ozzie's philosophy is to let the starters go deep in games, so we just don't need that many guys when we're operating at full strength.

If we go with 11 pitchers, there are two spots open for Borch/Grieve/Owens and any other outfielder in camp. You never know who might play their way on to the roster. Last year at this time, I don't think many of us anticipated Chris Widger or Pablo Ozuna making the club. But they played so well in the spring that they couldn't be ignored, and both ended up having pretty decent years in reserve roles. For that reason, I wouldn't write off a guy like Grieve entirely, although he looks like a longshot now.

Banix12
01-22-2006, 07:15 PM
I wouldn't count out Grieve, mostly because Borchard hasn't earned any benefit of the doubt. If both come in to spring training and put up similar numbers I might see the edge going to Grieve just because he has had some good seasons at the major league level while Borchard has done nothing but sputter. Grieve also has shown good patience and can on base at a decent clip, nice qualities for a bench hitter. Borchard can get the spot, no doubt he will get the chance, but has to beat him out for the spot, which I like. Competition is always good.

I still kinda think the 4th OF is going to be picked up off the waiver wire or acquired through trade at the end of spring training. Grieve then goes to AAA and Borchard gets traded or released. Just my opinion.