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Hitmen77
01-18-2006, 10:56 PM
The Sox get an "A" from SI's John Donovan. The only other AL team to get an A from him was Toronto. Cleveland gets a "C" and the Twinkies get a "D".

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/john_donovan/01/18/al.grades/index.html?cnn=yes

Noteworthy quote:
This team is stronger, which should be absolutely scary.

DenverSock
01-18-2006, 11:00 PM
The Sox get an "A" from SI's John Donovan. The only other AL team to get an A from him was Toronto. Cleveland gets a "C" and the Twinkies get a "D".

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/john_donovan/01/18/al.grades/index.html?cnn=yes

Noteworthy quote:


Finally, some good press. Hangar are you out there? All those posting on crazy threads like " that idiot Neyer......." should pay attention to this.

:cool::cool:

Chisox003
01-18-2006, 11:11 PM
While it is nice to see some good press, I still really don't care....

I'd almost rather have them ALL doubt us again.....makes it soooo much sweeter!

Oh well, let's stay under the radar, eh?

TheOldRoman
01-19-2006, 12:08 AM
While it is nice to see some good press, I still really don't care....

I'd almost rather have them ALL doubt us again.....makes it soooo much sweeter!

Oh well, let's stay under the radar, eh? Don't worry, by time spring training rolls around, they will grace us with a chorus of :
Thome is a huge injury risk that no smart team would take. He has about 15 homers left in his career
Konerko is horrible, his stats are misleading, the Sox overpaid for him
Podsednik is horrible, and he will likely slow down
Iguchi will have a massive sophomore slump
Anderson is a AA player at best
They should have never traded Rowand, he is a budding superstar
Jose was a fluke
Jon was a fluke
Dye will get injured
Jenks was a fluke
Hermanson will be crippled by June
Freddy Garcia is not an ace
Mark Buehrle is not an ace
Brandon McCarthy is the most overrated prospect in baseball
AJ will finally tear the clubhouse apartand my favorites:
winning 1 run games is STILL not a skill
you STILL can't win in the postseason with 6 "B+" pitchers
you STILL can't win playing "smallball" in a homerun hitters' park
the SOX should have never traded LEE. He was CLUTCH, and Jermaine Dye is horrible.:D:

Chisox003
01-19-2006, 12:24 AM
Don't worry, by time spring training rolls around, they will grace us with a chorus of :

Thome is a huge injury risk that no smart team would take. He has about 15 homers left in his career
Konerko is horrible, his stats are misleading, the Sox overpaid for him
Podsednik is horrible, and he will likely slow down
Iguchi will have a massive sophomore slump
Anderson is a AA player at best
They should have never traded Rowand, he is a budding superstar
Jose was a fluke
Jon was a fluke
Dye will get injured
Jenks was a fluke
Hermanson will be crippled by June
Freddy Garcia is not an ace
Mark Buehrle is not an ace
Brandon McCarthy is the most overrated prospect in baseball
AJ will finally tear the clubhouse apartand my favorites:

winning 1 run games is STILL not a skill
you STILL can't win in the postseason with 6 "B+" pitchers
you STILL can't win playing "smallball" in a homerun hitters' park
the SOX, should have never traded, LEE. He was CLUTCH, and Jermaine Dye, is horrible.:D:
I like the bulleted list. Very stylish.

Except one problem....The punctuation on #4 under your favorites is far too good! There should be at least 3 more commas somewhere in that sentence.:tongue:

(Kidding Hangar....)

soxfanatlanta
01-19-2006, 08:56 AM
Don't worry, by time spring training rolls around, they will grace us with a chorus of :
Thome is a huge injury risk that no smart team would take. He has about 15 homers left in his career
Konerko is horrible, his stats are misleading, the Sox overpaid for him
Podsednik is horrible, and he will likely slow down
Iguchi will have a massive sophomore slump
Anderson is a AA player at best
They should have never traded Rowand, he is a budding superstar
Jose was a fluke
Jon was a fluke
Dye will get injured
Jenks was a fluke
Hermanson will be crippled by June
Freddy Garcia is not an ace
Mark Buehrle is not an ace
Brandon McCarthy is the most overrated prospect in baseball
AJ will finally tear the clubhouse apartand my favorites:
winning 1 run games is STILL not a skill
you STILL can't win in the postseason with 6 "B+" pitchers
you STILL can't win playing "smallball" in a homerun hitters' park
the SOX should have never traded LEE. He was CLUTCH, and Jermaine Dye is horrible.:D:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:Cb-friqxHvYJ:http://macyap.com/art/SuperiorCentral0105/Deseray%2520-%25209th%2520-%2520Eeyore.jpg You forgot one:

Ozzie Guillen will be deported back to his hostile homeland of Venezuela. :cool:

oeo
01-19-2006, 09:38 AM
Finally someone realizes that we are even STRONGER than we were last year.

Fenway
01-19-2006, 10:00 AM
Finally someone realizes that we are even STRONGER than we were last year.

The New York and Boston writers have been saying that for 2 months.

Ol' No. 2
01-19-2006, 10:14 AM
http://espn.go.com/i/columnists/neyer_rob_m.jpgObviously, John Donovan is a Phillistine who knows nothing about what's REALLY important in baseball. The White Sox will have fewer theoretical wins based on fewer theoretical runs...

Tragg
01-19-2006, 10:26 AM
I think the Twins did as much as the Indians did. Which is basically stay the same.

We very well could be stronger than last year - that depends on Thome. Without Thome producing, we might be weaker. The pen, right now, looks weaker. Depth looks stronger. Starting pitching, well considering everything, I'd say the same (one more starter; but a great year from Garland and 1/2 year from Jose). ONly one positional player changed - I'd think we'd be happy if that stayed the same in Brian's first year (should be better in the future).

I'm more confident that Ozzie will have us ready to play than Manuel did in 2001 or, even worse, LaMont did in 1995 (basically slept through spring training).

Should be fun.

soxinem1
01-19-2006, 11:08 AM
Finally, some good press. Hangar are you out there? All those posting on crazy threads like " that idiot Neyer......." should pay attention to this.

:cool::cool:

Donovan is just jumping on the bandwagon, he ripped us to shreds all last year, and the better the White Sox played,the more he cautioned we were going to fall. I believe he also picked us to get swept by the BoSox, saying that their offensive firepower would easilly melt our rotation and pen.

As Hawk said, "Screw 'Em!"

ondafarm
01-19-2006, 11:39 AM
I like the bulleted list. Very stylish.

Except one problem....The punctuation on #4 under your favorites is far too good! There should be at least 3 more commas somewhere in that sentence.:tongue:

(Kidding Hangar....)

The number five bullet point misues the indefinate article.
It should be:

Anderson is an AA player at best.

SoxSpeed22
01-19-2006, 11:46 AM
The number five bullet point misues the indefinate article.
It should be:

Anderson is an AA player at best.Word it out, it says
"Anderson is a double A player at best."

ondafarm
01-19-2006, 12:46 PM
Word it out, it says
"Anderson is a double A player at best."

The rule is that you don't word it out.

You never say 'a NCAA sanctioned event' you say 'an NCAA sanctioned event.'

caulfield12
01-19-2006, 02:30 PM
The Sox get an "A" from SI's John Donovan. The only other AL team to get an A from him was Toronto. Cleveland gets a "C" and the Twinkies get a "D".

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/john_donovan/01/18/al.grades/index.html?cnn=yes

Noteworthy quote:
Well, the Blue Jays really deserve a C for driving up the salary structure for mediocre unproven starters in Burnett and a closer in Ryan that is being paid more in millions over his contract than his career save total.

SoxSpeed22
01-19-2006, 02:42 PM
The rule is that you don't word it out.

You never say 'a NCAA sanctioned event' you say 'an NCAA sanctioned event.'Well, if you say "AA" as in 'a','a', then it's an. But if you say double-A, then it's "a". Saying the letters instead of the word is "an", but saying the word is "a". I just use the word.

TaylorStSox
01-19-2006, 04:52 PM
As of right now, I'd give us a B. We're a stronger team, but the bullpen has to be addressed.

Hermanson is a question mark. Politte lost alot of velocity toward the end of the season. Cotts will continue to dominate. Jenks was probably overused. His velocity also declined somewhat. I'd still like to see us obtain a quality arm and a innings eater.

lostletters
01-20-2006, 04:45 AM
Actually if anybody caught the article by Jim Ney over at ESPN, he thinks the White Sox will be awful next year. Personally, I think that is far fetched.

With regards to bullpen, we are strong in the back end of the bullpen (Jenks, Cotts, and Politte). Hermanson is a BIG question mark, but he was last year as well.

The question is largely about the middle relief guys, the cleanup men, the inning eaters, the backup lefty. I think this is where having McCarthy around helps. I doubt he will be pitching often enough in this role where if need be they could transition him back into a starting role. Plus there is a benefit to being in the White Sox bullpen.

I think SOMEBODY will step up as far as a capable lefty. Who knows who that will be. As far as another right handed relief pitcher, I think there are a few in the minor league system that are already begining to stand out as future possibilities once McCarthy steps into the role of a starter, so I am less concerned about that.

Plus as it was stated earlier, relief pitchers have a tendancy of fast declines. I think Marte is on his way there, and that is part of the reason the sox dumped him. Viz was basically replacable.

While I am less confident in our bullpen, I am confident in the rest of the team. I am not sure if we actually lost that much with our bullpen though. I think if Jenks continues to throw strikes, and P&C continue thier ways as well we still have a very strong bullpen. Especially if BMac continues to learn and Hermanson is healthy. It really is just finding a decent lefty to add depth to the bullpen.

I have faith in the Coop to turn an ordinary relieve pitcher into darn good middle relief lefty specialist.

Hitmen77
01-20-2006, 10:18 AM
Actually if anybody caught the article by Jim Ney over at ESPN, he thinks the White Sox will be awful next year. Personally, I think that is far fetched.

If you are talking about Rob Neyer, there already is a discussion about his idiocy in What's the Score.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=65370

Stroker Ace
01-21-2006, 03:08 AM
Toronto gets an A? The players they picked up will help them, but Burnett and Ryan were greatly overpaid.

SoxSpeed22
01-21-2006, 03:39 AM
Toronto gets an A? The players they picked up will help them, but Burnett and Ryan were greatly overpaid.All it takes is flash, all they did was spend a ton of money on a few free agents, it's one of those smoke and mirrors "A"s, the same kind that the Mets usually get.

Ditka311
01-22-2006, 02:56 PM
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:Cb-friqxHvYJ:http://macyap.com/art/SuperiorCentral0105/Deseray%2520-%25209th%2520-%2520Eeyore.jpg You forgot one:

Ozzie Guillen will be deported back to his hostile homeland of Venezuela. :cool:

He's a U.S. citizen now.

Ditka311
01-22-2006, 02:58 PM
Toronto gets an A? The players they picked up will help them, but Burnett and Ryan were greatly overpaid.

They also picked up Overbay and Glaus which IMO were good moves to go along with their overpaid pitching help.