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SOXSINCE'70
12-27-2001, 10:00 AM
According to Barry Rozner's column today,The "small market" teams are moving towards a lockout during spring training.This is no surprise.The surprise is that one of the so called "small market" owners is Jerry Reinsdorf.Now,according to the US Census people,Chicago is the third largest city in the US.Just behind NooYawk and L.A.


Hint for the Chairman of the Bored:THIS IS NOT A SMALL MARKET CITY!!!! GET A F*CKIN' CLUE!!

cheeses_h_rice
12-27-2001, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by SOXSINCE'70

Hint for the Chairman of the Bored:THIS IS NOT A SMALL MARKET CITY!!!! GET A F*CKIN' CLUE!!

:reinsy

Anyone can lie with statistics! It's all in how you think!

SOXSINCE'70
12-27-2001, 11:05 AM
Unfortunately,most Sox fans know exactly how JR thinks.

"You'd better buy my product.........or else". :angry:

oldcomiskey
12-27-2001, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by SOXSINCE'70
Unfortunately,most Sox fans know exactly how JR thinks.

"You'd better buy my product.........or else". :angry:

yeah right blame all our ills on JR----the man brings in David Wells and Albert Belle and nobody couldve guessed what kind of busts they were----
now you have to make up your mind what you want---one one hand you scream that JR wont make a move----but who out there outside of Juan Gone would help us---and I dont blame him for spending a ****load of money on one player---things are gonna be alright around Comiskey Park for years to come---you do have to say that--therfore JR must have done something right----

ma-gaga
12-27-2001, 01:31 PM
3rd biggest city divided by 2 = 6th biggest city. Plus you have to take into account the rabid cub fan base. Say a 2/3-1/3 split, and then you really have 3 divided by 2 times 1/3 = 0.5 biggest city.

Wait, i did something wrong there. AHHH, there it is, silly me. 18th biggest city. Small market here we come.

:tool
Milwaukee is "mid"-market.

:reinsy
makes sense to me!

CubKilla
12-27-2001, 04:00 PM
Actually, I think Chicago is a 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd split. A third are rabid Cub fans :whiner: , a third are rabid White Sox fans :gulp: , and a sorry third, the ones that really count, are, unfortunately, rabid WRIGLEY FIELD fans. Therefore, you have my futher explanation of the unfortunate 2/3rd Cubs, 1/3rd White Sox split.

As for the small market stuff, it is the Chicago BB Organization's THINKING which is small market..... if not small minded.

CLR01
12-27-2001, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by oldcomiskey


yeah right blame all our ills on JR----the man brings in David Wells and Albert Belle and nobody couldve guessed what kind of busts they were----
now you have to make up your mind what you want---one one hand you scream that JR wont make a move----but who out there outside of Juan Gone would help us---and I dont blame him for spending a ****load of money on one player---things are gonna be alright around Comiskey Park for years to come---you do have to say that--therfore JR must have done something right----


The sox are not small market becuase of city size, they are small market because Jerry wont spend any money.


"What money?!?"

:reinsy

RedPinStripes
12-27-2001, 09:31 PM
:reinsy
"If we make it to the playoffs, I'm happy"

:KW
"I will not settle for anything less then a WS ring"



Which one is the bull****ter here?

oldcomiskey
12-27-2001, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by CLR01



The sox are not small market becuase of city size, they are small market because Jerry wont spend any money.


"What money?!?"

:reinsy

nice going idiot------you dont seem to hear what I said--and I suppose youd rather have Gore as prez

FarWestChicago
12-27-2001, 11:42 PM
OC, please refrain from using personal insults.

CLR01
12-27-2001, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by FarWestChicago
OC, please refrain from using personal insults.



I agree with the personal insults but i just realized i screwed up. My response should have been directed towards Ma-Gaga. My bad OC.

CLR01
12-27-2001, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by oldcomiskey
and I suppose youd rather have Gore as prez


yes.

FarWestChicago
12-27-2001, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by CLR01




I agree with the personal insults but i just realized i screwed up. My response should have been directed towards Ma-Gaga. My bad OC. Hey, I got jumped for something PHG said today. These things happen. :smile:

RedPinStripes
12-27-2001, 11:59 PM
OC starting ****? Never!

Nellie_Fox
12-28-2001, 01:19 AM
I've got my problems with Reinsdorf, but the idea that he won't "spend money" is not among them. Baseball fans crack me up sometimes. They talk about baseball being ruined by the astronomical salaries, but they want their owner to jump into the free-agent waters with both feet. Owners simply cannot let Steinbrenner set the market. He can only fit so many guys on his roster; let the rest of the owners use sanity in signing those that are left. By the way, I'd rather the Sox use their payroll to sign our quality young players (e.g., Maggs, Foulke) than go after free agents.

FarWestChicago
12-28-2001, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Nellie_Fox
I've got my problems with Reinsdorf, but the idea that he won't "spend money" is not among them. Baseball fans crack me up sometimes. They talk about baseball being ruined by the astronomical salaries, but they want their owner to jump into the free-agent waters with both feet. Owners simply cannot let Steinbrenner set the market. He can only fit so many guys on his roster; let the rest of the owners use sanity in signing those that are left. By the way, I'd rather the Sox use their payroll to sign our quality young players (e.g., Maggs, Foulke) than go after free agents. Spending wisely is the key. Unfortunately, I get to sit around and watch Billy Beane and Brian Sabean do that. We could have done better than Sandy and The Choice for the money. I wish we could have kept CJ, but that may not have been possible.

Nellie_Fox
12-28-2001, 01:32 AM
CJ is a good example. I'd have rather seen him get resigned. He'd proved what he could do in a White Sox uniform.

FarWestChicago
12-28-2001, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by Nellie_Fox
CJ is a good example. I'd have rather seen him get resigned. He'd proved what he could do in a White Sox uniform. I don't think he would have cost much more than Sandy and The Choice. But, you can't change the past...sigh...

ma-gaga
12-28-2001, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by CLR01
The sox are not small market becuase of city size, they are small market because Jerry wont spend any money.


I think MLB tries to define their markets by number of people that attend games. Milwaukee had the 13th best attendance this year therefore they are a mid-market team.

I obviously don't agree, markets should depend on overall regional population. Why should the Cubs be a 'large' market team and the Sox be a 'small' market team if they have the same population base to draw from?

Just another grievance I have with MLB.

:tool
"I love baseball. (If I kill the Twins, the Brewers will double in power. buwahahahaha) I'm just doing what's in the best interest of the game."

SOXSINCE'70
12-28-2001, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by ma-gaga


I think MLB tries to define their markets by number of people that attend games. Milwaukee had the 13th best attendance this year therefore they are a mid-market team.

I obviously don't agree, markets should depend on overall regional population. Why should the Cubs be a 'large' market team and the Sox be a 'small' market team if they have the same population base to draw from?

Just another grievance I have with MLB.

:tool
"I love baseball. (If I kill the Twins, the Brewers will double in power. buwahahahaha) I'm just doing what's in the best interest of the game."

I agree.I also believe Selig is a sniveling weasel,which is the cleanest thing i can call him on the internet without getting censored. :angry:

oldcomiskey
12-28-2001, 11:20 AM
a friend and I were talking about the irony of the red sawx not selling to king george's enemy----one of those that make you go hmm

ode to veeck
12-28-2001, 12:49 PM
top 20 metropoliton areas from the US census web site:
(baseball market size profiling must be done be the same accountanting firm that show the results from baseball's (closed) books each year that they're losing unspecified "big bucks"

of course, candian big metro areas (totronto, montreal, vancouver etc) are not included in this us and territories only listing


Census Population | Change, 1990 to 2000

Rank | Area Name |
April 1, 2000 | April 1, 1990 | Increase | Percent Change

1 New York--Northern New Jersey--Long Island, NY--NJ--CT--PA
21,199,865 19,549,649 1,650,216 8.4%

2 Los Angeles--Riverside--Orange County, CA
16,373,645 14,531,529 1,842,116 12.7%

3 Chicago--Gary--Kenosha, IL--IN--WI CMSA
9,157,540 8,239,820 917,720 11.1%

4 Washington--Baltimore, DC--MD--VA--WV
7,608,070 6,727,050 881,020 13.1%

5 San Francisco--Oakland--San Jose, CA
7,039,362 6,253,311 786,051 12.6%

6 Philadelphia--Wilmington--Atlantic City, PA--NJ--DE--MD 6,188,463 5,892,937 295,526 5.0%

7 Boston--Worcester--Lawrence, MA--NH--ME--CT
5,819,100 5,455,403 363,697 6.7%

8 Detroit--Ann Arbor--Flint, MI
5,456,428 5,187,171 269,257 5.2%

9 Dallas--Fort Worth, TX
5,221,801 4,037,282 1,184,519 29.3%

10 Houston--Galveston--Brazoria, TX
4,669,571 3,731,131 938,440 25.2%

11 Atlanta, GA
4,112,198 2,959,950 1,152,248 38.9%

12 Miami--Fort Lauderdale, FL
3,876,380 3,192,582 683,798 21.4%

13 Seattle--Tacoma--Bremerton, WA
3,554,760 2,970,328 584,432 19.7%

14 Phoenix--Mesa, AZ
3,251,876 2,238,480 1,013,396 45.3%

15 Minneapolis--St. Paul, MN--WI
2,968,806 2,538,834 429,972 16.9%

16 Cleveland--Akron, OH
2,945,831 2,859,644 86,187 3.0%

17 San Diego, CA
2,813,833 2,498,016 315,817 12.6%

18 St. Louis, MO--IL
2,603,607 2,492,525 111,082 4.5%

19 Denver--Boulder--Greeley, CO
2,581,506 1,980,140 601,366 30.4%

20 San Juan--Caguas--Arecibo, PR
2,450,292 2,270,808 179,484 7.9%

PaleHoseGeorge
12-28-2001, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by ode to veeck
top 20 metropoliton areas from the US census web site:
....


Gee, why didn't Milwaukee make the top-20? I'm sure Selig counts Madison, Green Bay, the Fox Valley, all of northern Wisconsin and the U.P., plus half the fish in Lake Michigan, too.

:tool
"We're big league. Trust me."

WinningUgly!
12-28-2001, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by PaleHoseGeorge



Gee, why didn't Milwaukee make the top-20? I'm sure Selig counts Madison, Green Bay, the Fox Valley, all of northern Wisconsin and the U.P., plus half the fish in Lake Michigan, too.

:tool
"We're big league. Trust me."
:tool
"I'm after the Milwaukee-Minneapolis-Saint Paul market!"

ode to veeck
12-28-2001, 01:15 PM
27 Milwaukee--Racine, WI 1,689,572 1,607,183 82,389 5.1%

comprising the boolean union of :
Milwaukee--Waukesha, WI PMSA 1,500,741 1,432,149 68,592 4.8%
Milwaukee County 940,164 959,275 -19,111 -2.0%
Ozaukee County 82,317 72,831 9,486 13.0%
Washington County 117,493 95,328 22,165 23.3%
Waukesha County 360,767 304,715 56,052 18.4%
Racine, WI PMSA 188,831 175,034 13,797 7.9%
Racine County
188,831 175,034 13,797 7.9%


so no fish, no door county, no huskie madisonites, no green bay whackers, temporary summerfest attendees, etc. , who are all likely included by bud's accounting wizards (same folks who count members of the mormon church)

on the revenue stream accounting, they probably include opportuity losses (like 1 billion chinese who can't watch mlb on tv yet) to show they lose money yet keep rolling dough into their treasuries