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SOecks
12-19-2005, 02:03 PM
Just reported on The Score. I'm really happy about this. Discuss...

skottyj242
12-19-2005, 02:03 PM
This sounds fantastic.

Flight #24
12-19-2005, 02:04 PM
If true, perfect. Awesome. Just goshdarn right on in terms of value and fairness.

Way to go guys!

VenturaFan23
12-19-2005, 02:04 PM
YES!! :bandance: :bandance:

Ol' No. 2
12-19-2005, 02:04 PM
If true, perfect. Awesome. Just goddamn right on in terms of value and fairness.

Way to go guys!I'd call it a bargain.

JUribe1989
12-19-2005, 02:05 PM
Biggest Sox signing of the offseason. This is bigger than Konerko, Thome, Vazquez or anything to come. This is the most important signing. The way he handles pitchers and his attitude is something we absolutely need.
Here's to 4 more years!:gulp:

Hangar18
12-19-2005, 02:06 PM
Just reported on The Score. I'm really happy about this. Discuss...

As long as the SOX dont pay him $1mil first year, $2 mil second year, and $13 mill last yr of contract, IM VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THIS. YES!!

itsnotrequired
12-19-2005, 02:06 PM
I'd call it a bargain.

I second that thought. Good news.

WhiteSoxFan84
12-19-2005, 02:07 PM
Biggest Sox signing of the offseason. This is bigger than Konerko, Thome, Vazquez or anything to come. This is the most important signing. The way he handles pitchers and his attitude is something we absolutely need.
Here's to 4 more years!:gulp:

3 more. And I wouldn't call this bigger than PK, maybe the rest, yes.

I kind of looked at the $5 mill per and I don't know what to think of it. I somewhat think it's too much but then I think it's not too bad. I guess it all depends on how he does the next 3 years.

Pasqua's Posers
12-19-2005, 02:07 PM
not according to daver...:redneck

CHIsoxNation
12-19-2005, 02:07 PM
Fantastic!! I'm glad to see we'll be having most of our key players of the 2005 season around for a few more years.
:D:

Fuller_Schettman
12-19-2005, 02:10 PM
If true, perfect. Awesome. Just goshdarn right on in terms of value and fairness.

Way to go guys!

Nice language. Kinda fits in with the season... :rolleyes:

Hangar18
12-19-2005, 02:10 PM
Let me say something right now. This is all just unreal. Admit it, 5 years ago, the SOX are letting AJ go rather than sign him to a multi-year deal. Things are Different around here. And I like it. This is awesome, instead of creating holes to fill holes the SOX are adopting a new business model.
2006 White Sox Baseball : filling holes...kicking ass...taking names...

Flight #24
12-19-2005, 02:10 PM
Just got the email from my rep on this. $4M-$5.5-$5.5 over the next 3 years. Given the Ramon Hernandez deal and the reported offer to Molina from the Mets pre the Loduca trade, this seems just about right factoring in he's not actually an FA.

rookieroy
12-19-2005, 02:10 PM
Seems to be a smart signing/contract on both sides. Way to get it done guys!!!!

SoXPriDe33
12-19-2005, 02:10 PM
I like this move so much, I think along with Don Cooper, A.J. had a big part in turning Contreras around and getting Garland to pitch very well. Great Signing.

Flight #24
12-19-2005, 02:11 PM
Nice language. Kinda fits in with the season... :rolleyes:

What language? I think you might have misread things.....go back and check!:redface:

beckett21
12-19-2005, 02:11 PM
Love it.

:moonwalk:

Flight #24
12-19-2005, 02:12 PM
Text of the email announcing this from my rep:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Monday, December 19, 2005


WHITE SOX AGREE TO TERMS ON THREE-YEAR CONTRACT WITH CATCHER A.J. PIERZYNSKI


CHICAGO – The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a three-year, $15-million contract with catcher A.J. Pierzynski, avoiding arbitration. Under terms of the deal, Pierzynski, who was eligible to become a free agent following the 2006 season, will receive $4 million in 2006 and $5.5 million each in 2007 and 2008.

Pierzynski, who turns 29 on December 30, batted .257 (18-56) with a career-high 18 home runs and 56 RBI in 127 games in 2005, his first season with the White Sox. His 18 home runs ranked fifth among American League catchers and were the most by a Sox catcher since Ron Karkovice hit 20 in 1993.

He started all 12 postseason games for the World Champion White Sox, batting .262 (11-42) with four doubles, three home runs and nine RBI. Sox pitchers compiled a 2.19 ERA (26 ER/107.0 IP) with four complete games when he was behind the plate in the playoffs.

The 6-foot-3, 240-pound Pierzynski led AL catchers with a .999 (1 E/847 TC) fielding percentage and ranked third with 1,117.2 innings caught, the second-highest total by a Sox catcher since 1975. He finished the season with a 119-game errorless streak, the longest active streak among catchers.

Pierzynski is a career .287 (676-2,359) hitter with 55 home runs and 326 RBI in 689 major-league games with Minnesota (1998-2003), San Francisco (2004) and the White Sox (2005-). Over the last five seasons, he ranks second among major-league catchers with 145 doubles, fourth with 211 extra-base hits, fifth with 302 RBI and 628 hits and sixth with a .286 average and 267 runs scored.

Pierzynski has played on teams that have combined to post a .578 winning percentage (374-273) over the last four seasons, reaching the postseason three times, and was a member of the AL All-Star Team in 2002. He originally signed with the White Sox as a free agent on January 6, 2005.


-30-

© 2005 Chicago White Sox

The Dude
12-19-2005, 02:13 PM
Biggest Sox signing of the offseason. This is bigger than Konerko, Thome, Vazquez or anything to come. This is the most important signing. The way he handles pitchers and his attitude is something we absolutely need.
Here's to 4 more years!:gulp:

While I am thrilled to see him resign....this is no way as huge as PK! Cheers to AJ!

TheOldRoman
12-19-2005, 02:14 PM
Great news! Now if AJ can only get his stroke back, all would be right.
I just hope he realizes that despite all the praise he got, he had a horrible season offensively. He was a career .300 hitter in the AL before this year. He needs to bust his ass in the offseason and in spring training to get back to a .300 clip. He can stop swining for the fences next year and get more hits, we wont need the power.

RallyBowl
12-19-2005, 02:14 PM
Yes.

Hopefully plenty more of these to come.

:walkoff:

itsnotrequired
12-19-2005, 02:16 PM
Just got the email from my rep on this. $4M-$5.5-$5.5 over the next 3 years. Given the Ramon Hernandez deal and the reported offer to Molina from the Mets pre the Loduca trade, this seems just about right factoring in he's not actually an FA.

Just got an e-mail as well. It must be true!:D:

soxfan13
12-19-2005, 02:17 PM
Very Good

downstairs
12-19-2005, 02:19 PM
Wow! only one day after hitting two home runs in the ALDS...

I think we're primed to win this thing!

Foulke You
12-19-2005, 02:20 PM
First post in a while since my cpu took a crap on me and I get to post on a thread announcing some excellent news! Finally! The Sox have some stability behind the dish and A.J. is the perfect complement to our pitching staff. He is a gamer and a pretty damn good hitter to boot.

I was nervous that we'd lose A.J. after the '06 season because his price would go up. Kudos to A.J. for signing on the dotted line to stay in Chicago and kudos to KW who continues to have an excellent offseason.

Joosh
12-19-2005, 02:24 PM
This is a great deal for the Sox. We keep the heart of the team, the battery for our pitching staff, and what a price too!

I love this move. :cool: :bandance: :gulp: :)

TheOldRoman
12-19-2005, 02:24 PM
I will add this, which I forgot to include in my earlier post:
If we can pay $5mil a year for a horrible defensive shortstop who hits .220 and strikes out 150 times a year when our payroll is $55 million, it is an ABSOLUTE BARGAIN to pay a very good catcher that much when our payroll is $90 million.

1951Campbell
12-19-2005, 02:26 PM
The right player at the right price!

nodiggity59
12-19-2005, 02:27 PM
I will add this, which I forgot to include in my earlier post:
If we can pay $5mil a year for a horrible defensive shortstop who hits .220 and strikes out 150 times a year when our payroll is $55 million, it is an ABSOLUTE BARGAIN to pay a very good catcher that much when our payroll is $90 million.
:manos
I hit clutch homers.

ma-gaga
12-19-2005, 02:28 PM
This is a great signing by Kenny. I'm a little surprised it's this low. I expected it up around $18MM in guaranteed salary, but this is close enough.

:cool:

soxfanatlanta
12-19-2005, 02:29 PM
Wow. KW is doing some very good things keeping the core of the team together. Looks like one ring is not good enough for him and JR. Gonna be a fun year to watch!

Baby Fisk
12-19-2005, 02:29 PM
http://www.uncertaintypark.com/Images/Article%20Images/polka_welk_011001.jpg
"This next polka is dedicated to da man himself, Mr. Kenny Williams.
Come on! Everybody on da dance floor! YEEEEEEAAAAAAA!"

Kogs35
12-19-2005, 02:29 PM
awesome news :bandance: :bandance:

JohnBasedowYoda
12-19-2005, 02:30 PM
I guess no more wrestling appearances

mweflen
12-19-2005, 02:30 PM
Sweet deal at a surprisingly good price. AJ is the bomb (and one of the top offensive catchers in the game right now). Now let's sign Jose and get some talent for JG, and we're done.

Chez
12-19-2005, 02:30 PM
Great news. We have no real prospects at this position in the minors. A.J. was a perfect fit and a great interview! Way to go Kenny.

bobowhite
12-19-2005, 02:30 PM
This is clutch.

Perhaps 3 more years from a 29 year old catcher is a bit much, but I believe this guy is worth keeping especially at these prices.

chaotic8512
12-19-2005, 02:30 PM
Ahh, the best source of all...

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051219&content_id=1283998&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Glad to have ya back, AJ! :gulp:

Chicken Dinner
12-19-2005, 02:32 PM
A better team than last years is forming up quite nicely.

Stoky44
12-19-2005, 02:32 PM
This is a great move, all I can say is.... YES, you can put it on the board.

Stoky44
12-19-2005, 02:35 PM
:manos
I hit clutch homers.
:hitless "Where are my spikes?"

BainesHOF
12-19-2005, 02:36 PM
On one hand, I'm pleasantly surprised we got him for that price. On the other, it's not surprising that both sides are so eager to stick together after our wonderful success.

Garland looks like a bigger jag with each passing day.

MsSoxVixen22
12-19-2005, 02:37 PM
WOO-HOO! Glad you're staying AJ! :bandance: Looks like more controversy in 2006!

Mohoney
12-19-2005, 02:39 PM
Great news! Now if AJ can only get his stroke back, all would be right.
I just hope he realizes that despite all the praise he got, he had a horrible season offensively. He was a career .300 hitter in the AL before this year. He needs to bust his ass in the offseason and in spring training to get back to a .300 clip. He can stop swining for the fences next year and get more hits, we wont need the power.

I think that AJ will get back to being more of a contact hitter next year now that Thome will be the primary source of LH power. Look at the context of the entire lineup when Everett struggled, and replace that with Thome, who I personally don't see having a prolonged slump of that magnitude. The trickle-down effect looks like it benefits Dye and AJ the most, and I think that both of those guys will rake next year.

Hitmen77
12-19-2005, 02:40 PM
Another item on the Sox "to do" list accomplished. Next move by the Sox: Contract deal with Jose Contreras.

ElevenUp
12-19-2005, 02:42 PM
Welcome back, AJ. I can't wait to see you irritate the other team for 3 more years!

Fuller_Schettman
12-19-2005, 02:44 PM
What language? I think you might have misread things.....go back and check!:redface:

Whoops! My bad!

Bygones! :wink:

Rocky Soprano
12-19-2005, 02:55 PM
Awesome news!

:bandance:

Ol' No. 2
12-19-2005, 02:57 PM
I think that AJ will get back to being more of a contact hitter next year now that Thome will be the primary source of LH power. Look at the context of the entire lineup when Everett struggled, and replace that with Thome, who I personally don't see having a prolonged slump of that magnitude. The trickle-down effect looks like it benefits Dye and AJ the most, and I think that both of those guys will rake next year.Good point. The trickle-down effect of adding Thome will probably be to make everyone else better. It's probably good for Crede and Uribe, too. It's always amazing to me how much adding one player to the lineup can have such far-reaching effects.

PAPChiSox729
12-19-2005, 03:00 PM
I think AJ has become my favorite on the team, now that Frank is gone. I am very excited to have AJ back here for a few more years and a few more championships!

:bandance: :bandance:

Tekijawa
12-19-2005, 03:00 PM
This is Great news and it's not even Wednesday!

IlliniSox4Life
12-19-2005, 03:02 PM
Awesome job Kenny, BEST GM IN BASEBALL!

ilsox7
12-19-2005, 03:07 PM
This is Great news and it's not even Wednesday!

Monday: two days before a Wednesday!

NU Nish 13
12-19-2005, 03:09 PM
This is hands down the best offseason I have seen in MLB in recent memory...you'd think the Sox are simply trying to get into the playoffs with all this activity--not defend a WS title...kudos to AJ, Kenny, and an organization that will hopefully be one of the best in MLB for many years to come

salty99
12-19-2005, 03:09 PM
Next items, Garland, Crede and Contreras. Timo and Willie - not so much.

DaveIsHere
12-19-2005, 03:11 PM
this is awesome news. I thought it was pretty professional of him before when he stated he wanted a longer term deal, but knew that the Sox were busy at the time dealing with PK. Good Stuff, dont know about you all but this has been a great XMas so Far!!!!:bandance:

ChiSoxGirl
12-19-2005, 03:17 PM
This is yet another of the outstanding moves by the Sox organization this off-season! I am beyond thrilled to hear this because I firmly believe A.J. had a HUGE part in the solid performance of the pitching staff this season, particularly the likes of Jon Garland. Plus, he's one of those guys you love if he's on your team, and hate if he's not. And in baseball, it's awesome to have a guy like that on your side! :bandance:

KRS1
12-19-2005, 03:22 PM
Great deal for the exact price I expected, what more is there to say?

Palehose13
12-19-2005, 03:23 PM
Yes! Nice to have you back, AJ!

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CHIsoxNation
12-19-2005, 03:24 PM
This is Great news and it's not even Wednesday!

I'm pretty shocked, maybe there are a few other things Kenny has up his sleeve that he is waiting to reveal this week.

BTW - That is a great pic of Dwight!

MarySwiss
12-19-2005, 03:27 PM
Quick, somebody warn Aaron Boone!

GREAT news!! :bandance:

Minnie Me
12-19-2005, 03:27 PM
I know he has only been here one year, but by year 3 of his contract he may be the best All Time Sox Catcher LH hitting.
Beating out the immortals:
Ron Hassey
Herman

Gremlin3
12-19-2005, 03:29 PM
I'm glad. Aj was great with the pitching staff. I couldnt imagine losing him with some of the progress that was made last year.

SouthSide_HitMen
12-19-2005, 03:29 PM
Dobrze, Dobrze, Dobrze!!!

RedHeadPaleHoser
12-19-2005, 03:30 PM
Great news...and even greater is his # of innings caught and fielding percentage. We need a great catcher to manage the staff, and we got it with this guy.

AJ and Widger, YES.

TaylorStSox
12-19-2005, 03:32 PM
It's a little expensive in my book, but he's valuable. Hopefully this will take some pressure off of Hernandez and Lucy and they can develop as expected instead of being rushed.

MeteorsSox4367
12-19-2005, 03:49 PM
Dziekuje, dziekuje, dziekuje!!

After watching the damn-near-done Sandy Alomar Jr. and the-ain't-never-gonna-be Ben Davis, it was great to have a real catcher this season. I still think Pierzynski's home run against the Dodgers provided the picture of the year.

Kenny Williams, once again, thank you.

"Hello, Grandstand. I'd like to order a Pierzynski jersey please."

MadetoOrta
12-19-2005, 03:52 PM
AJ is a Chicago sports legend after the Game 2 of the ALCS. His bomb off Oswalt also stunned the Houston crowd once and for all. Glad to see this. Glad he's here and not in Minne

Scotty Love
12-19-2005, 03:55 PM
I am so in White Sox heaven!!!! Repeat for sure!!!!:bandance:

mccoydp
12-19-2005, 04:07 PM
So nice to know that he'll be with the Sox for a few more years. I really enjoyed his hustle, intensity, and his work ethic.

YES!

duke of dorwood
12-19-2005, 04:08 PM
Things are getting done without delay-an impressive off season

nodiggity59
12-19-2005, 04:10 PM
Things are getting done without delay-an impressive off season

Except for confirmation of the Vazquez deal....:(:

maurice
12-19-2005, 04:14 PM
:bandance:

Official release (http://whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20051219&content_id=1283999&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws):
Pierzynski . . . will receive $4 million in 2006 and $5.5 million each in 2007 and 2008.

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2265238):
"A.J. has really found a home in Chicago," Steve Hilliard, Pierzynski's agent, told ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick. "He loves the city and his teammates, and the organization has been terrific through this whole process. It's nice that he's going to be there as part of a core group of guys going forward."

batmanZoSo
12-19-2005, 04:19 PM
AJ is money. Big move. These could be his peak years, too. I'd also echo the sentiment that he'll probably be able to hit for a .300 average again now that he's no longer the lone LH power threat.

SoxRulecubsdrool
12-19-2005, 04:23 PM
:manos
I hit clutch homers.
:hawk
The Meister of the three run homerun!

ChiWavDave
12-19-2005, 04:25 PM
Awesome!! Quite the Festivus Miracle... I forget whats its like to compromise in the off season anymore. Its must suck for Minny, Cleveland, Tigger, and Royals Fans. Its like were the Yanks of the Central! Flex those $$ muscles Kenny... :bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

itsnotrequired
12-19-2005, 04:26 PM
I like how this signing adds to the long-term depth of this team. For 2007, the Sox now either have under contract or through club option the starting catcher (AJ), #1 pitcher (MB), #2 pitcher (Garcia), LH slugger (Thome), RH slugger (Konerko), second baseman (Iguchi), shortstop (Uribe) and bullpen (Hermanson). Assuming the Vazquez deal goes through, now you're talking yet another starting pitcher.

The years ahead are looking good...

chisox
12-19-2005, 04:27 PM
Awesome!! Quite the Festivus Miracle...

so, so true. time for the feats of strength.

ilsox7
12-19-2005, 04:28 PM
I like how this signing adds to the long-term depth of this team. For 2007, the Sox now either have under contract or through club option the starting catcher (AJ), #1 pitcher (MB), #2 pitcher (Garcia), LH slugger (Thome), RH slugger (Konerko), second baseman (Iguchi), shortstop (Uribe) and bullpen (Hermanson). Assuming the Vazquez deal goes through, now you're talking yet another starting pitcher.

The years ahead are looking good...

Don't forget McCarthy and Anderson.

itsnotrequired
12-19-2005, 04:28 PM
Don't forget McCarthy and Anderson.

Or Dye.:redface:

Fred Manrique
12-19-2005, 04:33 PM
I am getting an AJ jersey this week for XMas so this is huge.

Chisox003
12-19-2005, 04:37 PM
Excellente!

:thumbsup: :moonwalk:

Flight #24
12-19-2005, 04:39 PM
I like how this signing adds to the long-term depth of this team. For 2007, the Sox now either have under contract or through club option the starting catcher (AJ), #1 pitcher (MB), #2 pitcher (Garcia), LH slugger (Thome), RH slugger (Konerko), second baseman (Iguchi), shortstop (Uribe) and bullpen (Hermanson). Assuming the Vazquez deal goes through, now you're talking yet another starting pitcher.

The years ahead are looking good...

Just to restate what you said, your 2007 Chicago White Sox lay out as:

SP: Buehrle-Garcia-Vazquez-McCarthy and it sounds like they're not far from keeping Jose Contreras:worship:
RP: Cotts - Jenks

Infield: Konerko-Iguchi-Uribe-Crede-Pierzynski
Outfield: Podsednik(arb)/Owens - Anderson - Dye
DH: Thome

I believe the word that comes to mind is "title contender". They do need some help in the 'pen, but no one's due a ridiculous raise, they'll have $4.5 mil to spend in that area from the 2006 salaries of Hermanson & Politte, and they'll have another payroll bump from the back to back titles.

Kenny could not have done a better job positioning this team for the mid term.

ilsox7
12-19-2005, 04:42 PM
Just to restate what you said, your 2007 Chicago White Sox lay out as:

SP: Buehrle-Garcia-Vazquez-McCarthy and it sounds like they're not far from keeping Jose Contreras:worship:
RP: Cotts - Jenks

Infield: Konerko-Iguchi-Uribe-Crede-Pierzynski
Outfield: Podsednik(arb)/Owens - Anderson - Dye
DH: Thome

I believe the word that comes to mind is "title contender". They do need some help in the 'pen, but no one's due a ridiculous raise, they'll have $4.5 mil to spend in that area from the 2006 salaries of Hermanson & Politte, and they'll have another payroll bump from the back to back titles.

Kenny could not have done a better job positioning this team for the mid term.

I think this is what most people call a "window of time." The scary thing is, we are STARTING our window of time by defending a World Championship.

thomas35forever
12-19-2005, 04:43 PM
Awesome!!!!! Maybe he'll become more controversial on the playing field while he's here. How awesome would that be? I've got a feeling he will be.:bandance:

itsnotrequired
12-19-2005, 04:44 PM
Just to restate what you said, your 2007 Chicago White Sox lay out as:

SP: Buehrle-Garcia-Vazquez-McCarthy and it sounds like they're not far from keeping Jose Contreras:worship:
RP: Cotts - Jenks

Infield: Konerko-Iguchi-Uribe-Crede-Pierzynski
Outfield: Podsednik(arb)/Owens - Anderson - Dye
DH: Thome

I believe the word that comes to mind is "title contender". They do need some help in the 'pen, but no one's due a ridiculous raise, they'll have $4.5 mil to spend in that area from the 2006 salaries of Hermanson & Politte, and they'll have another payroll bump from the back to back titles.

Kenny could not have done a better job positioning this team for the mid term.

Remember when looking ahead a whole season was the sort of thing you did when you knew how crummy next year's team was going to be and you were looking for some way to justify the obnoxious moves made by the front office?:cool:

HomeFish
12-19-2005, 04:50 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.

ilsox7
12-19-2005, 04:54 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.

Try this for once:

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nodiggity59
12-19-2005, 04:55 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.

Sorry, but that's chicken ****. You might as well create a steadily declining graph for Albert Pujols based on him having slightly less productive seasons compared to 03. Or Buerhle's "steady decline" from 01 to 03.:rolleyes:

Put it this way. I don't have much money, so $50 bucks is a lot to me. i'd be willing to bet $50 that AJ will not hit below .200 in the 3rd year of his deal. BTW, so would Kenny.

itsnotrequired
12-19-2005, 04:56 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.

:rolleyes:

"In the space of 176 years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself 242 miles. This is an average of a trifle over one mile and a third per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oolithic Silurian period, just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing rod. And by the same token any person can see that 742 years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three quarters long, and Cairo and New Orleans will have joined their streets together, and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen."

- Mark Twain, [I]Life on the Mississippi

Palehose13
12-19-2005, 04:58 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.

I can't believe you made a ****ing chart. HomeFish is back and ready to redefine "dark cloud". I want to see you make a chart for Ozuna showing how, according to the current trend, he will be hitting .600 by 2010. :tongue:

gobears1987
12-19-2005, 04:59 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.Don't you have your own thread to post **** like this?

gobears1987
12-19-2005, 04:59 PM
I can't believe you made a ****ing chart. HomeFish is back and ready to redefine "dark cloud". I want to see you make a chart for Ozuna showing how, according to the current trend, he will be hitting .600 by 2010. :tongue:or one for Pods of how he will hit .500 by 2008.

nodiggity59
12-19-2005, 05:02 PM
or one for Pods of how he will hit .500 by 2008.

The Sox have an 88% chance of winning the 2005 Central Division Crown.

:hawk
That is B.S.

HomeFish
12-19-2005, 05:03 PM
Guys --

I'm not actually saying that AJ will hit .170 in 2010. I'm quite aware that statistics don't work that way. I'm just highlighting how steep his decline has been over the past few years.

ilsox7
12-19-2005, 05:06 PM
Guys --

I'm not actually saying that AJ will hit .170 in 2010. I'm quite aware that statistics don't work that way. I'm just highlighting how steep his decline has been over the past few years.

The problem is, you have a reputation of always highlighting the negative. Always. And not much more.

Baby Fisk
12-19-2005, 05:07 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.
If this is a parody of yourself and your relentless, soul-crushingly negative outlook on the world, then well done.

If this is a serious analysis, then...:rolleyes:

Too bad your history on this site leads one to believe it's the latter. It's my own fault for being optimistic about you.

HomeFish
12-19-2005, 05:09 PM
The problem is, you have a reputation of always highlighting the negative. Always. And not much more.

Not about AJ. This is pretty much the only time I've ever posted something about AJ that wasn't outright praise for the guy -- except maybe for some times when he was on the Twins.

AJ is one of my "favorites" on the team, but his offensive decline worries me. But, like I said, if he stays at his current levels (which would be well below his historical norm), he's still worth the money he's getting.

Chisox003
12-19-2005, 05:10 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.
:roflmao:
That has got to be the FUNNIEST (and most ridiculous) thing I've ever seen at WSI. Who in their right mind makes a chart?!?

I've been here for 364 days, and in that time some crazy **** has been posted on these boards...But THIS takes the crown.

Oh....my.....god......

:thud:

mjharrison72
12-19-2005, 05:14 PM
Red Line = AJ's career .287 average. I'm not worried.

kevin57
12-19-2005, 05:15 PM
A.J.'s signing is just another example of how Kenny Williams is systematically dismantling a World Championship Team. Fire his a** immediately!

itsnotrequired
12-19-2005, 05:25 PM
Red Line = AJ's career .287 average. I'm not worried.

Yes, but his future yearly average will be shrinking.

That chart is just too much fun.

Slats
12-19-2005, 05:37 PM
His batting average can shrink to .150 for all I care. Just as long as our pitchers ERA keeps shrinking at the same rate. AJ works our pitchers like no one else can.

SOXSINCE'70
12-19-2005, 05:43 PM
CONGRATS,AJ!!:cool: :cool:

SouthSide_HitMen
12-19-2005, 05:46 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.

The chart on the right is Homefish's credibility throughout the 2005 season (and beyond).

This may be the origin of Homefish's Dark Cloud 2006 stuck thread.

1951Campbell
12-19-2005, 05:48 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.

This is the funniest post of the year.

I guess we should have re-signed Blum...after all, he's got a 5.000 OPS in the post-season.

RallyBowl
12-19-2005, 05:49 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.
That is the ****ing funniest and at the same time most ridiculous thing I have seen on this site. YOU SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED. Hopefully your posts take this same decline.

1951Campbell
12-19-2005, 05:50 PM
:roflmao:
That has got to be the FUNNIEST (and most ridiculous) thing I've ever seen at WSI. Who in their right mind makes a chart?!?

I've been here for 364 days, and in that time some crazy **** has been posted on these boards...But THIS takes the crown.

Oh....my.....god......

:thud:

Seriously...I'm gonna make a ****ing t-shirt out of that post!

:roflmao:

samram
12-19-2005, 05:51 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.

Ha! You wish.

Ol' No. 2
12-19-2005, 05:52 PM
This is the funniest post of the year.

I guess we should have re-signed Blum...after all, he's got a 5.000 OPS in the post-season.And it's projected to go up!

1951Campbell
12-19-2005, 05:54 PM
And it's projected to go up!



:roflmao:

1951Campbell
12-19-2005, 05:58 PM
No seriously, Homefish..
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Sorry, I couldn't breathe I was laughing so hard. Please tell us you made that chart as a tongue-in-cheek allusion to your, um, posting style. Otherwise, check your state's civil commitment statutes for the mentally ill.

ChiWhiteSox1337
12-19-2005, 06:00 PM
This is awesome news. I was thinking a few days ago about how much it'd take to re-sign A.J. and thought he'd be able to get more money. I'm not going to complain though! :smile: It's so nice to have a stable starting catcher after years of a revolving door at the position.

StockdaleForVeep
12-19-2005, 06:11 PM
I commend him for takin the time to make a chart, i couldnt

My new background

batmanZoSo
12-19-2005, 06:13 PM
This is some serious goodtimes, though, you gotta admit. :cool:

nodiggity59
12-19-2005, 06:15 PM
I've seriously been laughing on and off for the past hour and a half over those charts.

TomBradley72
12-19-2005, 06:16 PM
Love the way KW is being so aggressive as to force the potential FA's to decide not only on the financial side (where he is clearly willing to be competitive) but on the "winning side". The table is now set for a nice 2-3 year run...if Garland is willing to walk away from a very solid 3 year contract of guaranteed money with a very high likelihood of more post season appearances....than he doesn't value winnng to the degree required to be part of the White Sox. Good riddance.

Here's to the best December (following the best November and best October) in White Sox history! :gulp:

StockdaleForVeep
12-19-2005, 06:17 PM
I've seriously been laughing on and off for the past hour and a half over those charts.

someone take paint and repost the chart in teal, it would be the first teal graphic in wsi history...granted he's serious but some could use this as a nice teal tag....or maybe the new dark cloud tag

1951Campbell
12-19-2005, 06:28 PM
someone take paint and repost the chart in teal, it would be the first teal graphic in wsi history...granted he's serious but some could use this as a nice teal tag....or maybe the new dark cloud tag

[Dayn Perry]

I don't know, there's math and stuff involved, it looks persuasive to me.

[/Dayn Perry]

maurice
12-19-2005, 06:34 PM
Look at the chart I made:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg


:tealpolice:
?!?

If you look past the ever important stat of AVE, you'll find:
2004 OPS - .729
2005 OPS - .728

Yes, quite a sharp decline there. His decline in some areas essentially was offset by his career high (by far) in HR in 2005. If you're still hung up on AVE, you should note that he's hit better than .270 every single year except this one . . . and he hasn't quite turned 29.

PAPChiSox729
12-19-2005, 06:41 PM
This thread is quickly becoming legendary!

:redneck :redneck

skobabe8
12-19-2005, 06:56 PM
Bargain!

GREAT sign! Does anyone honestly think we would have won the WS with any catcher we've had in the last 15 years?? AJ brings such a swagger and his help with the staff is unmeasurable. And I haven't even mentioned his offense.

RallyBowl
12-19-2005, 07:26 PM
Aj was just on Trib live via cell phone. He sounds pumped about next year.And guess what? He said it was about time the Bears put in Rex. He's a big fan of players from UF apparently.

1951Campbell
12-19-2005, 07:37 PM
Bargain!

GREAT sign! Does anyone honestly think we would have won the WS with any catcher we've had in the last 15 years??

Well, Josh Paul helped us out this year. :D:

WSox8404
12-19-2005, 07:40 PM
Great sign. I really expect his numbers to creep back up to his normals next year also. But the most important thing is how he handled the pitching staff. He deserves a lot of the credit for how well they did last year. Totally worth the 5 million a year.

Tragg
12-19-2005, 07:43 PM
AJ makes what, 2.5 million under the current contract? So we tore that deal up, and he got a $2 million raise for this year. Prorating it over the 2 extra years in the new contract, it's like he got a $6 million 2 year contract, regardless of how well he performs this year.
That's what I hoped Garland would understand - he'd get a $3 million raise this year (from his current, what, $6 mill?), which effectively adds $1 mill a year to the 8 or 9 mill that Kenny would offer (were it a 3 year offer). He's risking a lot on repeating 2005.
AJ's tough, wants to win, and has little use for malingerers. That's why I like him.

Tragg
12-19-2005, 07:48 PM
Well, Josh Paul helped us out this year. :D:
I still can't figure out how a team in the AL pennant championship (or whatever they call it) can be so devoid of catching talent that Josh Paul makes their roster.

chisoxfanatic
12-19-2005, 07:50 PM
I like this move so much, I think along with Don Cooper, A.J. had a big part in turning Contreras around and getting Garland to pitch very well. Great Signing.

I could not agree with you more! I also think that he and Buehrle have grown to have this sort of camraderie that I've never seen Buehrle have with a catcher before. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if he wins the CY Young award next year. AJ is a HUGE part of our pitching staff pitching so well.]

Here's to a WHITE SOX DYNASTY in the makings!!!!

Lip Man 1
12-19-2005, 07:53 PM
Another very solid move. Now to lock up one of the two starters and then (or at the same time) address the bullpen needs. In Scott Merkin's mailbag at White Sox.com he said Williams probably "already has a few veteran arms lined up to invite to Spring Training, a pitcher or two who could work his way into a job, along the lines of Pablo Ozuna's effort in Tucson last spring."

Lip

IronFisk
12-19-2005, 08:03 PM
Agreed. Great sign. Greater deal!

To me personally, AJ was the difference in our title run. When was the last time we had an impact catcher anyway?

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/Violinski/fisk.jpg

chisoxfanatic
12-19-2005, 08:07 PM
Agreed. Great sign. Greater deal!

To me personally, AJ was the difference in our title run. When was the last time we had an impact catcher anyway?



I think his SWAGGER is what brought the goodies to this team. I'm loving that other teams' fans hate his guts...it means he's doing what he does effectively!

Oh, and clear out your PM box or something, Mitch! :tongue:

samram
12-19-2005, 09:16 PM
I still can't figure out how a team in the AL pennant championship (or whatever they call it) can be so devoid of catching talent that Josh Paul makes their roster.

The thing is they weren't devoid of catching talent. They had two of the Molina brothers. I don't know why they even needed Ol' Forgetful.

Jjav829
12-19-2005, 09:57 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.
He made a chart!

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Too funny! Must....compose....self....type....meaningful..... post. *deep breath*

Ok, good signing by KW. It's nice to see him.... hahahahahaha....I can't do it. I just can't. The fact that he actually made a chart for his post is just too much.

:roflmao: That's about all I can add here.

BeefyD
12-19-2005, 10:15 PM
I'm stoked to hear this. Having bought my AJ jersey in August, and the WS patch to add to it in Oct., I'm glad it's still "in season" for the next few years. The way he called games this year is awesome. Is he the best catcher ever? No. But he's the best we've had since Fisk.

Now to play my highlight of the 3-run walkoff vs. the Dodgers... :D:

Not to mention, but it's a little bit extra-special since I'm polish.

RedPinStripes
12-19-2005, 10:18 PM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see.

Oh ****! Looks like KW isn't the best GM in baseball after all. He really ****ed up.

FarWestChicago
12-19-2005, 10:47 PM
Oh ****! Looks like KW isn't the best GM in baseball after all. He really ****ed up. Homefish has thrown the gauntlet down. Killa needs to get off his ass if he wants to stay in the Dark Cloud competition. :D:

Fake Chet Lemon
12-19-2005, 10:55 PM
When he went to the Giants, isn't it almost expected your average would drop when you switch leagues that first year, especially for a catcher? They have to spend their energy learning their new battery mates, rather than focus on their offense. As far as last year, the average dropped because we needed more power out of him. He adjusted for the team.

Theanticub
12-19-2005, 11:47 PM
Thank you KW for offering him this contract. I fell in love with him this season.

Now, there are a few things to work on, but come on who would we rather have

Ben Davis?
Miguel Olivo?
Chris Widger?

Take Pierzynski's bat, overall knowledge of the game and how he calls games, mix that with Olivo's arm....then you have a hall of famer IMO.

Exit_Only
12-20-2005, 02:07 AM
Looks like the Sox locked up the next three AL Central division titles!

chisox77
12-20-2005, 02:14 AM
Love the signing of AJ! It was the best possible option.
(Also renewed my tickets for 2006)

:cool:

Jerome
12-20-2005, 02:27 AM
If I was given serious statistical analysis that suggested that AJ Pierzynski was not a good investment, I would look at it objectively and decide for myelf whether or not I like the signing or not. "I made a chart" is not statistical anaylsis. Maybe you can make a chart showing that by 2009 he will be hitting 45 homers a year, considering this year was a career high.

5 million dollars seems reasonable to me for a catcher who can hit some, condsidering that there are not a lot of great offensive catchers out there. Not to mention his handling of the pitching staff.

lostletters
12-20-2005, 02:50 AM
Lets not forget, there is a reason why AJ signed. It is not because of his arm, or the way he blocks balls, or even his bat. It is how he calls the game behind the plate. He may be one of the two best pitch callers in the big leagues (sorry Posada, Varitek, not even in the same league in this regard, I think only Molina is on par). That and the guy plays the game of baseball right. He may not be perfect, but he does know the game.

Ever since Fisk left, the White Sox have been waiting for a catcher like AJ to anchor the lineup. A guy with leadership qualities that knows every batter in the bigs. I think he had a HUGE impact on the pitching staff. I think he helped reinforce what Coop was sugesting to them. He made the team better.

AJ was not too greedy, and the White Sox were not to cheap. Plus AJ and everybody else knows what happened to the Bulls and Bears after they won a championship, hell I think the only person who might not know is John Garland. AJ found a place to call home.

I am not saying AJ will never get traded, but good baseball teams are always anchored on thier catchers. They can help young pitchers suceed and veterans become better.

Good move by the Sox, best Catcher we had since Fisk. In fact he may even be better for the Sox, and he has a ring to prove it.

Congrats AJ, you deserve it. Hope to see you for years to come.

Theanticub
12-20-2005, 03:08 AM
Lets not forget, there is a reason why AJ signed. It is not because of his arm, or the way he blocks balls, or even his bat. It is how he calls the game behind the plate. He may be one of the two best pitch callers in the big leagues (sorry Posada, Varitek, not even in the same league in this regard, I think only Molina is on par). That and the guy plays the game of baseball right. He may not be perfect, but he does know the game.

Ever since Fisk left, the White Sox have been waiting for a catcher like AJ to anchor the lineup. A guy with leadership qualities that knows every batter in the bigs. I think he had a HUGE impact on the pitching staff. I think he helped reinforce what Coop was sugesting to them. He made the team better.

AJ was not too greedy, and the White Sox were not to cheap. Plus AJ and everybody else knows what happened to the Bulls and Bears after they won a championship, hell I think the only person who might not know is John Garland. AJ found a place to call home.

I am not saying AJ will never get traded, but good baseball teams are always anchored on thier catchers. They can help young pitchers suceed and veterans become better.

Good move by the Sox, best Catcher we had since Fisk. In fact he may even be better for the Sox, and he has a ring to prove it.

Congrats AJ, you deserve it. Hope to see you for years to come.

Agreed.

Scotty347
12-20-2005, 08:02 AM
AJ on his new contract in today's Trib:
"I didn't want to break the bank," said Pierzynski, who will earn $4 million in 2006 and $5.5 million in 2007 and 2008. "What I got is plenty enough. It worked out well both ways. The White Sox were honest from Day One."
Gotta love this guy's attitude.

DenverSock
12-20-2005, 10:32 AM
Any thing which helps preserve the chemistry from this year is fine in my book. AJ is clearly one of the tone setters of the team. Keep at it KW.

:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

DenverSock
12-20-2005, 10:36 AM
As long as the SOX dont pay him $1mil first year, $2 mil second year, and $13 mill last yr of contract, IM VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THIS. YES!!

Just though I'd point this out: 1+2+13=16

Baby Fisk
12-20-2005, 10:47 AM
Homefish has thrown the gauntlet down. Killa needs to get off his ass if he wants to stay in the Dark Cloud competition. :D:Homefish has made a strong bid to be official WSI Court Jester. Those charts have raised the bar considerably. That's gold, Jerry. Gold!

SOecks
12-20-2005, 10:56 AM
I love this thread now. Only in a thread about AJ could such weird and goofy things have happened. :gulp:to AJ for 3 more years. It's going to be a fun ride.

itsnotrequired
12-20-2005, 10:59 AM
Homefish has made a strong bid to be official WSI Court Jester. Those charts have raised the bar considerably. That's gold, Jerry. Gold!

Gosh, who else is even in the running?

mjharrison72
12-20-2005, 01:18 PM
If I was given serious statistical analysis that suggested that AJ Pierzynski was not a good investment, I would look at it objectively and decide for myelf whether or not I like the signing or not. "I made a chart" is not statistical anaylsis. Maybe you can make a chart showing that by 2009 he will be hitting 45 homers a year, considering this year was a career high.

5 million dollars seems reasonable to me for a catcher who can hit some, condsidering that there are not a lot of great offensive catchers out there. Not to mention his handling of the pitching staff.
Well, based on my calculation that AJ hit about 63% more homers this year than last year, I've come to the conclusion that your estimate of 45 homers in 2009 is a little low, considering according to this chart, AJ will have 78 homers in 2008... I would project even with a drop-off in improvement, he will hit at least 117 homers in 2009, though I haven't charted it out because he'll be a free agent after 2008.
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3696&d=1135102508
*projected

Any questions?

tebman
12-20-2005, 01:34 PM
Well, based on my calculation that AJ hit about 63% more homers this year than last year, I've come to the conclusion that your estimate of 45 homers in 2009 is a little low, considering according to this chart, AJ will have 78 homers in 2008... I would project even with a drop-off in improvement, he will hit at least 117 homers in 2009, though I haven't charted it out because he'll be a free agent after 2008.
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3696&d=1135102508
*projected

Any questions?
No, but thanks for the insight! :rolling:

Flight #24
12-20-2005, 01:34 PM
Well, based on my calculation that AJ hit about 63% more homers this year than last year, I've come to the conclusion that your estimate of 45 homers in 2009 is a little low, considering according to this chart, AJ will have 78 homers in 2008... I would project even with a drop-off in improvement, he will hit at least 117 homers in 2009, though I haven't charted it out because he'll be a free agent after 2008.
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3696&d=1135102508
*projected

Any questions?

And you know that's when the Cubs will swoop in a sign him to a deal the Sox simply won't match, sending our 78-HR C to our crosstown rivals!
:angry:

Ol' No. 2
12-20-2005, 01:41 PM
And you know that's when the Cubs will swoop in a sign him to a deal the Sox simply won't match, sending our 78-HR C to our crosstown rivals!
:angry:Hangar, did you hack into Flight's account?

santo=dorf
12-20-2005, 01:57 PM
Well, based on my calculation that AJ hit about 63% more homers this year than last year, I've come to the conclusion that your estimate of 45 homers in 2009 is a little low, considering according to this chart, AJ will have 78 homers in 2008... I would project even with a drop-off in improvement, he will hit at least 117 homers in 2009, though I haven't charted it out because he'll be a free agent after 2008.
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3696&d=1135102508
*projected

Any questions?

I like it!

Thanks for the new sig Homefish.

voodoochile
12-20-2005, 02:53 PM
Great job KW and AJ. Way to get it done. I love the fact that the C position is now settled for several years. It's been a while since that was the case.

The Wimperoo
12-20-2005, 06:16 PM
Homefish would be proud. More AJ Batting Average graphs

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/daily-graphing-heath-bell/

A.J. Pierzynski (http://localhost/fangraphs/graphs.aspx?playerid=746&position=C&page=0&type=full) will remain with the White Sox after agreeing on a three-year $15 million contract. Last year, he was sixth in home runs among all catchers, and only four home runs away from the leader, Jason Varitek (http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=217&position=C&page=6&type=full). Despite the career high in home runs, his batting average dropped to a career low of .257. Up until two years ago he was a career .300 batter, but things have slipped the past couple years. Let's see if his current power will continue, and if his batting average will remain in the dumpster.


http://www.fangraphs.com/custom%20graphs/746_split_bbk.png

Oddly enough, his walk to strikeout ratio (BB/K) has been a bit on the rise, but what's going on against left-handed pitchers? His BB/K against lefties really has been zero the past two years. In the past four years he's only had three walks against lefties in 433 plate appearances. This pretty much gives him the honor of being the least-disciplined batter against lefties in all of baseball over the past four years. His league-worst on-base percentage of .258 isn't even a good batting average. Lefties aside, his overall rise in BB/K doesn't explain why his batting average has tanked the past two years, but his batting average on balls in play (BABIP) does.


http://www.fangraphs.com/blog%20graphs/graphs_746_batter_season_8_blog_20051002.png

The year his BABIP dropped was the year he left the Twins. There's nothing in his home/away splits to suggest he played better at the Metrodome, so we can rule out a change in scenery. He did however experience a drop in line drive percentage and an increase in fly balls in 2004. From 2002 to 2003 he hit a very high 25% of his balls for line drives. Then in 2004-2005 he hit only 20% of his balls for line drives, while he showed an increase in his fly balls by about 5%. Chances are that in 2005, while playing at U.S. Cellular Field, a few of those extra fly balls became home runs.


http://www.fangraphs.com/blog%20graphs/graphs_746_batter_daily_9_blog_20051002.png

It looks like A.J. Pierzynski (http://localhost/fangraphs/graphs.aspx?playerid=746&position=C&page=0&type=full) has sacrificed his average for power. Playing the next three seasons for the White Sox is only good news for his power numbers. His batting average on the other hand doesn't look like it's going to recover without a loss in power unless he can improve his plate discipline, especially against lefties. I'd suggest the White Sox sit him against lefties, but their backup catcher Chris Widger (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1541&position=C) isn't any better—that is unless prospect Chris Stewart becomes a viable option.

skobabe8
12-20-2005, 06:33 PM
Well, based on my calculation that AJ hit about 63% more homers this year than last year, I've come to the conclusion that your estimate of 45 homers in 2009 is a little low, considering according to this chart, AJ will have 78 homers in 2008... I would project even with a drop-off in improvement, he will hit at least 117 homers in 2009, though I haven't charted it out because he'll be a free agent after 2008.
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3696&d=1135102508
*projected

Any questions?

I cant wait to see how he gets that .5 home run in 2006. :D:

samram
12-20-2005, 08:21 PM
I'd suggest the White Sox sit him against lefties

Yeeeeaaaaaaah, why don't you just let the World Champs figure that one out, eh, Hardball Times guy? Any other suggestions?

DieTrying79
12-20-2005, 10:00 PM
Glad to see we locked him up for a few years. Love me some AJ.

RedHeadPaleHoser
12-20-2005, 10:14 PM
I think this is what most people call a "window of time." The scary thing is, we are STARTING our window of time by defending a World Championship.

Exactly...and Kenny is working long term deals over free agency....and he's holding the cards. What a spot to be in.

1951Campbell
12-20-2005, 10:22 PM
Well, based on my calculation that AJ hit about 63% more homers this year than last year, I've come to the conclusion that your estimate of 45 homers in 2009 is a little low, considering according to this chart, AJ will have 78 homers in 2008... I would project even with a drop-off in improvement, he will hit at least 117 homers in 2009, though I haven't charted it out because he'll be a free agent after 2008.
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3696&d=1135102508
*projected

Any questions?

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

mjharrison72
12-22-2005, 12:20 PM
I cant wait to see how he gets that .5 home run in 2006. :D:
Well, I'm going to say it's either going to be a disputed shot that goes fair but is actually called foul - or an inside the park homer that's scored as a double with two errors. It will be something that won't show up in the stats as a homer, but it really should. :tongue:

flo-B-flo
12-23-2005, 11:42 AM
If AJ improves or stays where he is at right now, he is a decent to great hitting catcher, and this is a fine move. You won't find a better hitting catcher that isn't overpriced.

BUT

I looked at the stats, and 2005 wasn't AJ's first declining year. He has been in a steady decline since 2003. Look at the chart I made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

By the end of this contract extension, if the current rate of BA decline continues, AJ will be hitting .170 -- and we can certainly find a cheaper .170 hitter.

So we'll have to see. I will remember this when AJ hits .280 with 20 homers in 06. Great signing by KW. Again

soxfan26
12-23-2005, 12:25 PM
Welcome back AJ!! :D:

soxfanreggie
12-24-2005, 06:54 PM
I was very happy with hearing this. I think it's a fair contract, gives us a catcher who did well for us last year and hopefully many good things in the future. $15 mil gives him a very very nice chunk (not that he hasn't made millions already) and 3 years gives him some good job security.

Here's to AJ and Kenny for getting this done :gulp:

gbergman
12-24-2005, 06:58 PM
this is awesome to hear of this:gulp: :gulp: :gulp: . 1 beer per year