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KRS1
12-16-2005, 05:56 PM
Just curious as to what you think was the worst move this winter by a team. My worst is also possibly my best, the A's signing Loaiza to 3 yrs 21.3mil. It could be the best b/c they essentially firmed the pitchers market at 7 mil per year for an okay pitcher, and on the other side it's Esteban Loiza for 7per.

JRIG
12-16-2005, 06:07 PM
The Twins wasting a roster spot and giving actual money to Tony Batista.

SouthSide_HitMen
12-16-2005, 06:28 PM
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A pair beats high hand.

crazyozzie02
12-16-2005, 06:33 PM
I still wonder about the cubs and Bob Howry :?:

BNLSox
12-16-2005, 06:34 PM
Howry, Eyre, and Ryan...

TOO MUCH MONEY!!!! Unbelievably bad moves.

y2j2785
12-16-2005, 06:36 PM
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A pair beats high hand.

IMO they by far are 2 of the most overpaid pitchers in all of baseball. Blue Jays were dumb for paying $47 million for Ryan.

Jjav829
12-16-2005, 06:51 PM
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"Hey, how's it going? I'm an overrated hacker and an absolute butcher at second base. On top of that I am a whiner. Other than that I am a great player. You better play me at second base. Screw Jose Vidro. Glad to be here, though. Hmm, this place is kind of big. On second thought, you might want to just start shopping me again before I start complaining about the distance in the power alleys."

JackParkman
12-16-2005, 07:08 PM
The Tigers giving $16 million to Kenny Rogers. In terms of sheer stupidity, that one may rival the $15 million per they gave a gimpy Magglio Ordonez.

depy48
12-16-2005, 07:28 PM
A's trading for Milton Bradley

ChiSoxRowand
12-16-2005, 07:34 PM
Yanks giving $18 million to Kyle Farnsworth.

JUribe1989
12-16-2005, 07:50 PM
The Tigers giving $16 million to Kenny Rogers. In terms of sheer stupidity, that one may rival the $15 million per they gave a gimpy Magglio Ordonez.


Ditto.

sircaffey1
12-16-2005, 08:41 PM
The Cubs giving Scott Eyre a no-trade clause...

SABRSox
12-16-2005, 09:02 PM
Paul Konerko not taking more money to play for Anaheim.

SoxFan76
12-16-2005, 09:42 PM
Burnett, Eyre, and Bradley.

Banix12
12-16-2005, 11:20 PM
Todd Jones and Braden Looper. Big money and multiple years to erratic relievers.

SOXintheBURGH
12-16-2005, 11:55 PM
The Tigers giving $16 million to Kenny Rogers. In terms of sheer stupidity, that one may rival the $15 million per they gave a gimpy Magglio Ordonez.

He shoots, he scores.

34 Inch Stick
12-17-2005, 12:28 PM
I think big multi year contracts to Farnsworth and Rogers. I think Rogers would have sat there for a while and would have signed for cheap. Either way you do not let people with questionable attitudes the security of not being in a perpetual contract year.

DumpJerry
12-17-2005, 12:32 PM
Not tearing down the rest of The Urinal when they took down the Bleachers.:cool:

veeter
12-17-2005, 12:34 PM
Yanks giving $18 million to Kyle Farnsworth.Ding, ding, ding...and we have a winner!!!!

caulfield12
12-17-2005, 01:20 PM
Just curious as to what you think was the worst move this winter by a team. My worst is also possibly my best, the A's signing Loaiza to 3 yrs 21.3mil. It could be the best b/c they essentially firmed the pitchers market at 7 mil per year for an okay pitcher, and on the other side it's Esteban Loiza for 7per.

Howry and Eyre for way too much money to the Cubs

Byrd and Rogers deals....BJ Ryan to Toronto, as well as $55 million for Burnett

Farnsworth and Gordon

RallyBowl
12-17-2005, 01:50 PM
Any deal that wasn't made by Kenny.

caulfield12
12-17-2005, 01:54 PM
Any deal that wasn't made by Kenny.

I think the Mets made some good moves. Obviously they have unlimited resources. Beckett could really shift the balance of power in the East back to Boston if he is healthy.

SouthSide_HitMen
12-17-2005, 03:23 PM
Howry and Eyre for way too much money to the Cubs

Byrd and Rogers deals....BJ Ryan to Toronto, as well as $55 million for Burnett

Farnsworth and Gordon

Howry - $12 mil, 3 yrs.
Eyre - $11 mil, 3 yrs.
Byrd - $14.25 mil, 2 yrs.
Rogers - $16 mil, 2 yrs.
Farnsworth - $17 mil, 3 yrs.
Gordon - $18 mil, 3 yrs.

Total - $88.25 mil, 16 yrs.

BJ Ryan - $47 mil, 5 yrs.
Burnett - $55 mil, 5 yrs.

Total - $102 mil (American), 10 yrs.

There is no contest. Ricciardi will be the poster child for "GMs Gone Wild" for years to come. In Burnett's 6 "full" MLB seasons he has pitched 82 2/3, 173 1/3, 204 1/3, 23, 120 and 209 innings or about 130 IP per season. He has had two good full seasons - both coming in an extreme pitchers park in the NL. He now goes to the AL in a division with very strong offenses. He has a 3.20 ERA at home and 4.26 ERA on the road in the NL. Look for a Jaret Wright, Matt Clement type season.

Ryan is even worse. He won't pitch more than 70 - 80 innings which is a 1/3 of what the typical, non AJ Burnett starter pitches yet they are paying him like a starter. He has had 2 very good seasons in his career - 3 less than what he was signed for.

One final note:

2005 World Champion Chicago White Sox:

Total - $82.65 mil, 25 yrs. Priceless.

Mr. White Sox
12-17-2005, 03:43 PM
Todd Jones and Braden Looper. Big money and multiple years to erratic relievers.
Sure, Braden Looper was a dumb move. But Todd Jones? 2 years, $10 total ($5.5 million per) really isn't that shabby of a signing, considering the current market. Jones > Howry, Jones > Eyre, and Jones really isn't making much more than either.

HomeFish
12-17-2005, 04:32 PM
BJ Ryan.

SOXSINCE'70
12-17-2005, 04:35 PM
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A pair beats high hand.

That gets my vote.Thanks to J.P. Riccardi and his Toronto wonks,
mediocre/bad SP's can ask for 5 yrs,55 mill,while unproven
closers can get 47 mill and a multi year deal.

Geez,I thought Steinbrenner was nuts.Just goes to prove an
old adage;just when you think you've seen it all.

CallMeNuts
12-17-2005, 04:45 PM
It's all Kenny Williams fault. He showed all the other GMs that it is really a solid, deep pitching staff, that is the key to winning the World Series.

And now the other GMs, the lemmings that they are, are falling all over themselves to see who can overpay the most, in an effort to put together a competitive pitching staff. But by putting too much $$$ into one or two guys, they are putting themselves into a position where it will be very tough for them to come close to the depth we have.

And in the mean time, KW manages to improve the best overall pitching staff in baseball.

Stroker Ace
12-17-2005, 09:21 PM
The signing of Braden Looper.

Fredsox
12-17-2005, 09:47 PM
And of course the Johnny Damon Sweepstakes are in the home stretch. If anybody gives that guy more than a 2 or 3 year deal I think the voting should be re-opened.

cws05champ
12-17-2005, 10:09 PM
Worst move is...not tearing down all of Wrigley instead of just the bleachers. They could leave the "knot hole" in the fence though. It would go well with all the other ***holes I know around Wrigleyville.
:bandance:

Banix12
12-17-2005, 11:17 PM
Sure, Braden Looper was a dumb move. But Todd Jones? 2 years, $10 total ($5.5 million per) really isn't that shabby of a signing, considering the current market. Jones > Howry, Jones > Eyre, and Jones really isn't making much more than either.

Todd Jones making 5 million a year at age 37 after posting the best numbers in his career while pitching home games at a pitchers park. His past tells me last year had to be a fluke. Florida was his seventh team he pitched for since last posting a 40 save season in 2000.

Also, regardless of how Jones does. It's just a really bad signing for Detroit because they are already shelling out big money to Troy Percival. That's something like $11 million dollars being shelled out to aging closers for detroit. Do they really need to be devoting that much of their payroll to closers?

They have a young guy in Fernando Rodney who looks like he could become a decent closer. I would give the job to him before I give the job to a retread that they traded five years ago.

I don't really think that Todd Jones is a better pitcher than Eyre and Howry. If Jones were really that good he would have been able to hold a job the last five years. Both Eyre and Howry seem far more likely to back up their performances the last couple years than Jones. Especially Eyre.

Baby Fisk
12-18-2005, 01:39 PM
The Florida Marlins' fire sale.

MHOUSE
12-18-2005, 03:15 PM
It's gotta be Burnett and Ryan to the Blue Jays, hands down. Five years is a long time, especially for a guy with a below .500 career record, only two full healthy seasons, and a major arm surgery. Ryan is making a little more than $1 million per career save to be the closer there. I think Ryan might live up to his billing there more than Burnett will, but neither is fully worth that kind of commitment now.

Runner up: Thinking Flash Gordon can replace Billy Wagner as your closer in Philadelphia.

Close Third: Farnsworth getting a 3-year deal. He'll be out of pinstripes by the end of August.

RallyBowl
12-18-2005, 03:35 PM
This isn't really a move made, it's a move not made, but the cubs not getting Furcal was pretty bad, IMO. Especially since it appears he really wanted to play there, and they were the front-runners.

But hey, they got Neifi Perez right? And as one cub fan has already told me, "He's 10 times better than Uribe".:rolleyes:

pythons007
12-19-2005, 09:34 AM
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A pair beats high hand.

You are correct SIR.

Hangar18
12-19-2005, 09:45 AM
Howry, Eyre, ...

TOO MUCH MONEY!!!! Unbelievably bad moves.


Are you Kidding? Juan Pierre for Sergio Mitre is pound for pound one of the worst moves this season. Basically gave Pierre away for nothing. Almost tops another bad move made by the Marlins, Derrek Lee for Hee Seop Choi.
The fact that Dontrelle Willis was the "player to be named" later, doesnt hid the fact that it was a bad move overall by the Marlins. The Cubs figured he was a bad player, and the Marlins got VERY LUCKY to have selected him from the short list. As it is now, Willis will still end up on the north-side as soon as hes Arbitration Eligible.

Banix12
12-19-2005, 11:06 PM
Are you Kidding? Juan Pierre for Sergio Mitre is pound for pound one of the worst moves this season. Basically gave Pierre away for nothing. Almost tops another bad move made by the Marlins, Derrek Lee for Hee Seop Choi.
The fact that Dontrelle Willis was the "player to be named" later, doesnt hid the fact that it was a bad move overall by the Marlins. The Cubs figured he was a bad player, and the Marlins got VERY LUCKY to have selected him from the short list. As it is now, Willis will still end up on the north-side as soon as hes Arbitration Eligible.

Hangar, your hatred of the cubs clouds your judgement

First off Dontrelle was traded to the Marlins in the Antonio Alfonseca/Matt Clement deal and he wasn't a player to be named later, he was actually one of the players the Marlins requested in the initial trade. The player to be named later in the Lee trade was named Mike Nannini.

Second, the two prospects in the Pierre for Mitre were not nothing. Both have been top ten prospects in the cubs farm system the last two years and are closer to major league ready than most of the prospects in the cub system. It's certainly a better class of talent than what I had heard was coming from teams like the Yankees for Pierre.

Chicken Dinner
12-20-2005, 10:43 AM
The White Sox not offering Timo a 200 million 6 year deal.

Tragg
12-20-2005, 11:09 AM
The Tigers giving $16 million to Kenny Rogers. In terms of sheer stupidity, that one may rival the $15 million per they gave a gimpy Magglio Ordonez.
Just a remarkably strange move. I guess the Maggs deal soured the Tigers on Boras, although they couldn't have ended up with a worse contract had Boras negotiated it.