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sjokanovic
12-14-2005, 09:41 PM
chicagosport.com is saying that something is brewing in Dallas.... Garland and Crede for Blalock, Wilkerson, and a major prospect. This would be huge but i dont know if i like it

KRS1
12-14-2005, 09:42 PM
Hmmmhmmm..... Whats the score dude?

ATXBMX
12-14-2005, 09:43 PM
Great, now we're getting trade rumors off a message board on the trib website...

The Wimperoo
12-14-2005, 09:43 PM
Blalock sucks

KRS1
12-14-2005, 09:44 PM
If this really is off the MB then it's obviously from some clueless casual cubs convert.

MarySwiss
12-14-2005, 09:44 PM
chicagosport.com is saying that something is brewing in Dallas.... Garland and Crede for Blalock, Wilkerson, and a major prospect. This would be huge but i dont know if i like it

Go away.

Ol' No. 2
12-14-2005, 09:45 PM
Great, now we're getting trade rumors off a message board on the trib website...Are you implying that's not a reputable source???:redneck

soxfan123
12-14-2005, 09:52 PM
Are you kdding me. It is from one of the posters for the discussion forum on the Vazquez deal. This could be a nobody making it up. This is in no way a reliable source...I'm not buying it.

maurice
12-14-2005, 09:55 PM
http://www.chicagoist.com/images/2005_03_sports_brandon_mccarthy.jpg
That's right, he's our 5th starter!?!?

If KW doesn't make another move soon, you might need to update your .sig. As amazing as it sounds, McCarthy probably is our 6th starter right now.
:o:

soxfan123
12-14-2005, 09:57 PM
If KW doesn't make another move soon, you might need to update your .sig. As amazing as it sounds, McCarthy probably is our 6th starter right now.
:o: [/left]

No kidding. That is one update I will be happy to make.

samram
12-14-2005, 09:58 PM
Are you implying that's not a reputable source???:redneck

The person who posted the rumor posted under the name "Ralph Malph." I mean, how much more credible can you be?:D:

Ol' No. 2
12-14-2005, 09:59 PM
The person who posted the rumor posted under the name "Ralph Malph." I mean, how much more credible can you be?:D::rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Hagan
12-14-2005, 10:15 PM
Blalock sucks

agreed his away splits are so bad

santo=dorf
12-14-2005, 10:20 PM
agreed his away splits are so bad

As are his 2nd half splits and his splits against LHP.

:borass:
"**** you! Blalock will hit .300-30 HR and 100 RBI's. do I look like a liar to you?"

Soxfanspcu11
12-14-2005, 10:27 PM
Hmm.............let's analyze this for a second. A pitcher from the HEART of our rotation and our defensive gem at 3rd base and most clutch hitter on the team for an overrated player, a player that isn't that good and a player who is a "prospect". Well, I think KW would be a straight up MORON for not making this trade!!!!

Norberto7
12-14-2005, 11:19 PM
The person who posted the rumor posted under the name "Ralph Malph." I mean, how much more credible can you be?:D:

Hold on before you blast this guy. Potsie overheard Fonzie on his cell phone in the bathroom at Al's saying, "Garland and Crede, that's right..."

*sigh*

I guess I'll say that before anyone else. :whistle:

sircaffey1
12-14-2005, 11:23 PM
Hmm.............let's analyze this for a second. A pitcher from the HEART of our rotation and our defensive gem at 3rd base and most clutch hitter on the team for an overrated player, a player that isn't that good and a player who is a "prospect". Well, I think KW would be a straight up MORON for not making this trade!!!!
Or an all-star 3B, a CF who in a reasonable hitting ballpark will put up 25 HR/100 BB/.370 OBP, and a top notch prospect for a 1 year rental and an average 3B who has the devil as his agent.

Fuller_Schettman
12-14-2005, 11:30 PM
Or an all-star 3B, a CF who in a reasonable hitting ballpark will put up 25 HR/100 BB/.370 OBP, and a top notch prospect for a 1 year rental and an average 3B who has the devil as his agent.

Perspective is everything, ain't it?

Norberto7
12-14-2005, 11:47 PM
The infamous home/away and first/second half splits:

Home: AB: 313 2B: 14 HR: 20 RBI: 63 AVG.: .297
Away: AB: 334 2B: 20 HR: 5 RBI: 29 AVG.: .231


First Half: AB: 351 2B: 20 HR: 16 RBI: 57 AVG.: .285
Second Half: AB: 296 2B: 14 HR: 9 RBI: 35 AVG.: .236

The concerns appear valid. But is there a way to do this for previous seasons? I tried to do in on mlb.com and I could only find splits for 2005.

Another: Vs. RHP: AVG: .291
Vs. LHP: AVG: .196 :o: (in 194 ab)

buehrle4cy05
12-14-2005, 11:53 PM
As are his 2nd half splits and his splits against LHP.

:borass:
"**** you! Blalock will hit .300-30 HR and 100 RBI's. do I look like a liar to you?"

"Damn it Boras, your nose just hit me again!"

chisoxlove
12-14-2005, 11:58 PM
Just an idea...Garland/McCarthy, Anderson, and prospects for Baez and Crawford?? The deal seems to make sense for both sides, as it would strengthen both teams where they need it most.

KRS1
12-15-2005, 12:26 AM
Just an idea...Garland/McCarthy, Anderson, and prospects for Baez and Crawford?? The deal seems to make sense for both sides, as it would strengthen both teams where they need it most.

Brandons going nowhere.

sean
12-15-2005, 01:01 AM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-051214rogers,1,1023525.column?coll=cs-home-utility
Mr. Rogers seems to have the same Blalock idea.

sjokanovic
12-15-2005, 01:11 AM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-051214rogers,1,1023525.column?coll=cs-home-utility
Mr. Rogers seems to have the same Blalock idea.

told you all) this is a POSSIBLE trade

Black Jack
12-15-2005, 01:17 AM
As are his 2nd half splits and his splits against LHP.

:borass:
"**** you! Blalock will hit .300-30 HR and 100 RBI's. do I look like a liar to you?"
On the subject of Bora$$, that picture has always struck me as a little crude, so I took the liberty of creating one that I feel truly captures the pure evil that radiates from his soul:

http://members.cox.net/cheaphotel/Boras.jpg
"Joe Crede is the best 3rd baseman in baseball!"

batmanZoSo
12-15-2005, 02:27 AM
The infamous home/away and first/second half splits:

Home: AB: 313 2B: 14 HR: 20 RBI: 63 AVG.: .297
Away: AB: 334 2B: 20 HR: 5 RBI: 29 AVG.: .231


First Half: AB: 351 2B: 20 HR: 16 RBI: 57 AVG.: .285
Second Half: AB: 296 2B: 14 HR: 9 RBI: 35 AVG.: .236

The concerns appear valid. But is there a way to do this for previous seasons? I tried to do in on mlb.com and I could only find splits for 2005.

Another: Vs. RHP: AVG: .291
Vs. LHP: AVG: .196 :o: (in 194 ab)
I'd say get him just on the premise that he miraculously found a way to have more homers than RBIs in the second half.

edit: Yes, I read that wrong. I'm very, very tired though. :very happy

Chisox003
12-15-2005, 02:31 AM
I'd say get him just on the premise that he miraculously found a way to have more homers than RBIs in the second half.
What, you've never been?

:cool:

batmanZoSo
12-15-2005, 02:38 AM
What, you've never been?

:cool:

LOL. Nice.

I'd also like to give props to whomever named this thread. Just brilliant stuff.

Mickster
12-15-2005, 10:18 AM
XM 175 was talking about something similar to this only it didn't include Wilkerson. Crede and Garland for Blalock. :dunno:

Whitesox4ever
12-15-2005, 10:24 AM
Mariotti also mentions this trade rumor in his column today

Another talked-about option, if the Orioles retain Tejada, is shipping Garland and Joe Crede to Texas for power-hitting third baseman Hank Blalock and center fielder Brad Wilkerson.

pythons007
12-15-2005, 10:37 AM
Well I already said this before but I'll say it again.....:puking:

The Wall
12-15-2005, 11:10 AM
FWIW, My friend and fellow Sox fan who lives near Dallas just called me to tell me that the sportsradio out there is talking this up like its gonna happen.

Mickster
12-15-2005, 12:04 PM
FWIW, My friend and fellow Sox fan who lives near Dallas just called me to tell me that the sportsradio out there is talking this up like its gonna happen.

Including Wilkerson or not?

BeviBall!
12-15-2005, 12:08 PM
My friend in Dallas called and he says this rumor is all over Texas radio. Guy comes in here and gets blasted for a starting "BS rumor"... now it seems like the rumor is everywhere.

sircaffey1
12-15-2005, 12:23 PM
My friend in Dallas called and he says this rumor is all over Texas radio. Guy comes in here and gets blasted for a starting "BS rumor"... now it seems like the rumor is everywhere.

Details?

BeviBall!
12-15-2005, 12:28 PM
Details?

He sent me an email asking how good Garland is since that's all they're talking about on the radio this morning. Blalock for Garland and Crede. Awaiting a reply back from my email which asked for dets.

nodiggity59
12-15-2005, 12:29 PM
I don't want Blalock all that much, though I guess he replaces as a #6-8 hitter just fine. Wilkerson would be a decent stopgap guy to have. I'd want Texas' most MLB ready pitching prospect (most polished, not highest ceiling) as well. If we got that, I wouldn't complain.

JG had a breakout year at the age of 25 and pitched very well in the post season. Kenny has to go for the jugular.

1917
12-15-2005, 12:58 PM
I could live with this, if it included Wilkerson

The Deacon
12-15-2005, 01:03 PM
I could live with this, if it included Wilkerson

I could live with this, if it included Wilkerson going to any team but ours :D:

Chicken Dinner
12-15-2005, 01:12 PM
Whoever it's for, it looks like Garland is gone.

BeviBall!
12-15-2005, 01:12 PM
My buddy in Ft. Worth says that all of the talk stems from chicagosports.com. Perhaps we should bury this until Phil Rogers expounds further?

munchman33
12-15-2005, 01:28 PM
As much as I like Brian Anderson, having Wilkerson in center would be huge. That guy's a great hitter.

Crede/Blalock would be kinda a wash. Blalock is definately a better hitter, and he's left-handed (I think?). And Crede's certainly the better defender. But it probably comes down to health. And I don't think Kenny wants as big a question mark as Crede's back is to be looming all season.

samram
12-15-2005, 01:31 PM
My buddy in Ft. Worth says that all of the talk stems from chicagosports.com. Perhaps we should bury this until Phil Rogers expounds further?

I blame Ralph Malph for all of this.

Chicken Dinner
12-15-2005, 01:35 PM
There can be no deal until the Dookie trade is official.

The Deacon
12-15-2005, 01:35 PM
Ralph Malph > Potsy > Brad Wilkerson.

getonbckthr
12-15-2005, 02:17 PM
Blaylocks contract is 3 yrs/13.7 million, with an option for 4th year at 6 million. We are stupid if we don't do this trade.

sircaffey1
12-15-2005, 02:21 PM
Ralph Malph > Potsy > Brad Wilkerson.

Ralph Malph>Brad Wilkerson>Potsy>The Deacon

KRS1
12-15-2005, 02:23 PM
Blaylocks contract is 3 yrs/13.7 million, with an option for 4th year at 6 million. We are stupid if we don't do this trade.

You are obviously clueless about what youre talking about. Blaylock CANT hit lefties, he CANT hit away from Arlington, he can however be the most overrated 3rd baseman in the majors for the facts I stated above. Joe is a right who has good splits(not great #s, but at least he's equal when everything gets totalled), he plays better D and Hank basically is the last type of player I want in our org.

getonbckthr
12-15-2005, 02:24 PM
You are obviously clueless about what youre talking about. Blaylock CANT hit lefties, he CANT hit away from Arlington, he can however be the most overrated 3rd baseman in the majors for the facts I stated above. Joe is a right who has good splits(not great #s, but at least he's equal when everything gets totalled), he plays better D and Hank basically is the last type of player I want in our org.
Hank plays a solid 3rd base. I feel he would hit just as well in the Cell as he did in Arlington. As far as leftie Walker could fix that.

Soxfanspcu11
12-15-2005, 02:26 PM
As far as leftie Walker could fix that.

:?: I VERY seriously doubt that!

Whitesox4ever
12-15-2005, 02:35 PM
Blalock is a solid ball player and plays a great D.. He wasn't able to hit lefties last year but still had better numbers than Crede.

Crede was huge in the post season but until than about 75% Sox fans wanted to get rid of him
You are obviously clueless about what youre talking about. Blaylock CANT hit lefties, he CANT hit away from Arlington, he can however be the most overrated 3rd baseman in the majors for the facts I stated above. Joe is a right who has good splits(not great #s, but at least he's equal when everything gets totalled), he plays better D and Hank basically is the last type of player I want in our org.

SouthSide_HitMen
12-15-2005, 02:40 PM
http://members.cox.net/cheaphotel/Boras.jpg
"Joe Crede is the best 3rd baseman in baseball history!"

Fixed

Whitesox4ever
12-15-2005, 02:43 PM
Blalock had an avg of 282 aganist lefties in 2004 so it looks like he can hit lefties.

KRS1
12-15-2005, 02:51 PM
Blalock had an avg of 282 aganist lefties in 2004 so it looks like he can hit lefties.

I'd rather trust the sum of his work hitting lefties rather than a small sample of 100 or so. Nice try but he flat out blows at hitting lefties and blows at hitting aways from Arlington, yes he has good D but when it comes down to it I'd rather have a right who can hit both pitchers equally(even if it mean not as much vs. rightys) than one who is a liability against lefties.

Whitesox4ever
12-15-2005, 03:07 PM
He hit over 400 at the Cell last year..I'd rather trust the sum of his work hitting lefties rather than a small sample of 100 or so. Nice try but he flat out blows at hitting lefties and blows at hitting aways from Arlington, yes he has good D but when it comes down to it I'd rather have a right who can hit both pitchers equally(even if it mean not as much vs. rightys) than one who is a liability against lefties.

KRS1
12-15-2005, 03:12 PM
He hit over 400 at the Cell last year..

Again, small sample v. the sum of a career.

munchman33
12-15-2005, 03:14 PM
I'd rather trust the sum of his work hitting lefties rather than a small sample of 100 or so. Nice try but he flat out blows at hitting lefties and blows at hitting aways from Arlington, yes he has good D but when it comes down to it I'd rather have a right who can hit both pitchers equally(even if it mean not as much vs. rightys) than one who is a liability against lefties.

Even if that means you could throw Pablo out there against tough lefties to give him some at bats?

I mean, jeez. We face way more righties over the course of a season. And Blalock destroys righties. Whereas, Crede is merely adequate. If that.

sircaffey1
12-15-2005, 03:16 PM
I'd rather trust the sum of his work hitting lefties rather than a small sample of 100 or so. Nice try but he flat out blows at hitting lefties and blows at hitting aways from Arlington, yes he has good D but when it comes down to it I'd rather have a right who can hit both pitchers equally(even if it mean not as much vs. rightys) than one who is a liability against lefties.
You ever think for an instance that maybe he just doesn't hit well on the road period. You know some hitters do actually perform way better at home than on the road no matter what ballpark their home is at. Crede hit .235 at home last season. But you are probably right. All the scouts are wrong. Everyone in the White Sox organization is wrong because once Blalock leaves Texas he's going to lose all of his talent and be a .230 hitter. If we want Blalock, you can rest assured that we know what kind of skills he has.

Ol' No. 2
12-15-2005, 03:19 PM
You ever think for an instance that maybe he just doesn't hit well on the road period. You know some hitters do actually perform way better at home than on the road no matter what ballpark their home is at. Crede hit .235 at home last season. But you are probably right. All the scouts are wrong. Everyone in the White Sox organization is wrong because once Blalock leaves Texas he's going to lose all of his talent and be a .230 hitter. If we want Blalock, you can rest assured that we know what kind of skills he has.Umm....who ever said the Sox were interested in Blaylock? So far this story is nothing more than Ralph Malph's hallucination.

Whitesox4ever
12-15-2005, 03:22 PM
Phil Rogers and Jay Maroitti had it in their columns todayUmm....who ever said the Sox were interested in Blaylock? So far this story is nothing more than Ralph Malph's hallucination.

Ol' No. 2
12-15-2005, 03:36 PM
Phil Rogers and Jay Maroitti had it in their columns todayI saw it. Read the article again. It's just his idle speculation (maybe Ralph Malph is his pseudonym?:o:). He never said the Sox were interested in such a deal.The most transparent scenarios are a starter and Joe Crede to Texas for a package fronted by left-handed-hitting third baseman Hank Blalock (signed for a highly reasonable $13.7 million for the next three years with a $6.2 million option in 2009); a starter and Juan Uribe to Baltimore for Miguel Tejada—not that likely—or a starter to Baltimore for a package of young talent in a deal that makes Tejada happier about staying put.
And I won't even dignify anything the Moron says with a response.

sircaffey1
12-15-2005, 03:37 PM
Umm....who ever said the Sox were interested in Blaylock? So far this story is nothing more than Ralph Malph's hallucination.

I know I know...But if the rumors are true then you can bet that we know exactly what kind of player he is.

sjokanovic
12-15-2005, 05:09 PM
now this rumor is not fabricated bul**** anymore is it :redneck

dickallen15
12-15-2005, 05:12 PM
Just because the normally trustworthy Ralph Malph posted this rumor, and just because it was discussed on Texas sports radio doesn't mean it isn't BS.

samram
12-15-2005, 05:12 PM
now this rumor is not fabricated bul**** anymore is it :redneck

Uh, yes it is. It's just that you didn't fabricate it. Ralph Malph did. Damn that Ralph Malph.

Ol' No. 2
12-15-2005, 05:15 PM
Uh, yes it is. It's just that you didn't fabricate it. Ralph Malph did. Damn that Ralph Malph.But if Moronotti repeated it, it must be true.:rolleyes:

IlliniSox4Life
12-15-2005, 05:27 PM
http://www.kultureshock.co.uk/v3/images/happydays12.jpg
"This deal is as real as I am"

Madvora
12-15-2005, 05:36 PM
http://re2.mm-c1.yimg.com/image/1431259398
"I still got it"

BeviBall!
12-15-2005, 06:19 PM
now this rumor is not fabricated bul**** anymore is it :redneck

Sorry man... I wanted to stick by you, but it's BS.

Chek2002
12-15-2005, 09:07 PM
Appearing on ESPN News,Tim Kurkjian said that the White Sox and Rangers are discussing a trade that would send 3B Hank Blalock to the Sox for P Jon Garland and 3B Joe Crede.

Jjav829
12-15-2005, 09:10 PM
Appearing on ESPN News,Tim Kurkjian said that the White Sox and Rangers are discussing a trade that would send 3B Hank Blalock to the Sox for P Jon Garland and 3B Joe Crede.

Unless you are referring to another appearance, that is not what he said. Kurkjian was on to discuss the Sox and was asked what the Sox would do with 6 starters. He referenced Phil Rogers' article in the Trib and said that trade would make some sense for both teams, but he never said the two teams were discussing the deal. Now if he has been on again sometime tonight, then maybe he did say that. But if you are referring to his appearance this afternoon, you heard something different than what he said.

KRS1
12-15-2005, 09:11 PM
Appearing on ESPN News,Tim Kurkjian said that the White Sox and Rangers are discussing a trade that would send 3B Hank Blalock to the Sox for P Jon Garland and 3B Joe Crede.

Ahhhhh...... Just as I expected Tims alter-ego is also a dumb goofball.

SoxRulecubsdrool
12-15-2005, 09:14 PM
http://re2.mm-c1.yimg.com/image/1431259398
"I still got it"

Is Ralph Malph now the baggage claim area supervisor in the Dallas/Ft. Worth airport?

A. Cavatica
12-15-2005, 09:25 PM
Without knowing if there's anything to this rumor, all I can say is we'd better be getting a lot more than Blalock for Crede & Garland. Wilkerson would be nice, but if he's not involved we'd better be getting a quality reliever and a pitching prospect or two.

Do the Rangers even have any quality relievers? :o:

Ol' No. 2
12-15-2005, 09:29 PM
Unless you are referring to another appearance, that is not what he said. Kurkjian was on to discuss the Sox and was asked what the Sox would do with 6 starters. He referenced Phil Rogers' article in the Trib and said that trade would make some sense for both teams, but he never said the two teams were discussing the deal. Now if he has been on again sometime tonight, then maybe he did say that. But if you are referring to his appearance this afternoon, you heard something different than what he said.Picky, picky, picky.

Chicken Dinner
12-15-2005, 11:41 PM
Is Ralph Malph now the baggage claim area supervisor in the Dallas/Ft. Worth airport?

He is not:

Like other "Happy Days" cast members, Most has become a director, working on numerous stage productions in the Los Angeles area.

Whitesox4ever
12-16-2005, 07:27 AM
Got this from Metblog.com

Appearing on ESPN News,Tim Kurkjian said that the White Sox and Rangers are discussing a trade that would send 3B Hank Blalock to the Sox for P Jon Garland and 3B Joe Crede
...which is a great deal for both teams...

Tragg
12-16-2005, 08:26 AM
Blaylocks contract is 3 yrs/13.7 million, with an option for 4th year at 6 million. We are stupid if we don't do this trade.
Wilkerson Homers

2002 - 20
2003 - 18
2004 - 32
2005 - 11

You only play 1/2 your games in RFK. But when the dropoff occurs in 2005, when Texas gave up very little to get this player in the first place, why take the chance? I'll pass, thank you.

If you consider Crede/Blaylock is a wash (I prefer Crede; Blaylock is a flawed hitter, but signed for I think 1 additional year), this boils down to Garland for Wilkerson and a major prospect.

Put another way, if you consider Garland/Vasquez equals (which I don't) and that Texas' "major prospect" is the equal of Chris Young (which I doubt), then we would essentially be trading Viz and El D for Wilkerson.

Vasquez, Blaylock, Wilkerson.... all players atop each teams "We gotta get rid of him" list. Please be careful.

Jjav829
12-16-2005, 08:43 AM
Please, please, please, please, please....if we are going to discuss acquiring this horribly overrated third baseman....can we leave the damn "Y" out of his name!

It's Blalock. B-L-A-L-O-C-K. Blalock. There is no "Y."

After seeing his name misspelled in about 100 posts, I had to get that out.

Whitesox4ever
12-16-2005, 09:04 AM
A better deal would be to send Garland,Crede and a prospect to Texas for Micheal Young and Brad Wilkerson.

Than Uribe will move over to 3B..

Professor
12-16-2005, 09:06 AM
You are obviously clueless about what youre talking about. Blaylock CANT hit lefties, he CANT hit away from Arlington, he can however be the most overrated 3rd baseman in the majors for the facts I stated above. Joe is a right who has good splits(not great #s, but at least he's equal when everything gets totalled), he plays better D and Hank basically is the last type of player I want in our org.

Is this last stament based soley on stats, or is it due to personality issues?

nodiggity59
12-16-2005, 09:07 AM
A better deal would be to send Garland,Crede and a prospect to Texas for Micheal Young and Brad Wilkerson.

Than Uribe will move over to 3B..

Where would Crede paly :?:?

Whitesox4ever
12-16-2005, 09:10 AM
Texas is also talking to Philly about Blalock. So maybe the rangers will send Blalock there if they got crede

Whitesox4ever
12-16-2005, 10:10 AM
from star-telegram.com

The Chicago White Sox, having acquired Javier Vazquez, have extra pitching to trade and the Rangers have already placed the call, knowing they have extra outfielders.
The White Sox are willing to talk about Jon Garland, who can become a free agent after next season, but right now they want too much in return.

Chisox003
12-16-2005, 10:33 AM
A better deal would be to send Garland,Crede and a prospect to Texas for Micheal Young and Brad Wilkerson.

Than Uribe will move over to 3B..
Michael Young isn't going anywhere.

I'd love to have this guy almost as much as Tejada, but he is definitely among the elite SS's in baseball. The man can flat out play.

And I really don't understand the infatuation with Wilkerson. I think BA or JO will be just as good if not better, I don't see a need to add a CF. At all.

getonbckthr
12-16-2005, 10:43 AM
Wilkerson Homers

2002 - 20
2003 - 18
2004 - 32
2005 - 11

You only play 1/2 your games in RFK. But when the dropoff occurs in 2005, when Texas gave up very little to get this player in the first place, why take the chance? I'll pass, thank you.

If you consider Crede/Blaylock is a wash (I prefer Crede; Blaylock is a flawed hitter, but signed for I think 1 additional year), this boils down to Garland for Wilkerson and a major prospect.

Put another way, if you consider Garland/Vasquez equals (which I don't) and that Texas' "major prospect" is the equal of Chris Young (which I doubt), then we would essentially be trading Viz and El D for Wilkerson.

Vasquez, Blaylock, Wilkerson.... all players atop each teams "We gotta get rid of him" list. Please be careful.
Texas got rid of Soriano, hardly very little. A far as Viz and El D for Wilkerson point there's also salary relief there as well. For your "get rid of him" list, we have a few of those already NY had to get rid of Contreras, SF had to get rid of AJ, Anaheim had to get rid of Jenks. Milwaukee had to move POds because he had too much of a long swing. How about when Carl was here. No body wants this guy, he has a bad attitude and hurts the team. Correct me i'm wrong but I believe we just won a championship that included major contributions from players "that had to be moved."

KyWhiSoxFan
12-16-2005, 10:48 AM
from star-telegram.com

The Chicago White Sox, having acquired Javier Vazquez, have extra pitching to trade and the Rangers have already placed the call, knowing they have extra outfielders.
The White Sox are willing to talk about Jon Garland, who can become a free agent after next season, but right now they want too much in return.

Damn right we're asking a lot. Don't give in KW. Someone will eventually pay it. Garland is a tremendous asset for any team that can lock him up for 3 or 4 years.

getonbckthr
12-16-2005, 11:02 AM
from star-telegram.com

The Chicago White Sox, having acquired Javier Vazquez, have extra pitching to trade and the Rangers have already placed the call, knowing they have extra outfielders.
The White Sox are willing to talk about Jon Garland, who can become a free agent after next season, but right now they want too much in return.
Kenny is in a dominating position of power. Personally I kind of hope he hangs on to Garland til June or July. Then if Anderson isn't working out you can move JG for a CF. If THome or Dye or anyone else gets hurt, you deal JG for a replacement. Jenks isn't working as the closer and Hermy is hurt, JG for a closer. If everything is good as gold then you move JG for prospects. Could you imagine Team A needs pitching, Team B needs hitting and then the Sox need nothing but have pitching. 3 way deal of Team A gets Garland, Team B gets hitter from team A and the Sox get like 5-6 top prospects just because we have a position of power.

Tragg
12-16-2005, 11:12 AM
Texas got rid of Soriano, hardly very little. A far as Viz and El D for Wilkerson point there's also salary relief there as well. For your "get rid of him" list, we have a few of those already NY had to get rid of Contreras, SF had to get rid of AJ, Anaheim had to get rid of Jenks. Milwaukee had to move POds because he had too much of a long swing. How about when Carl was here. No body wants this guy, he has a bad attitude and hurts the team. Correct me i'm wrong but I believe we just won a championship that included major contributions from players "that had to be moved."You're right,they did give up Soriano. I had my trades confused.

And the only one of those we paid anything for (re players of signficance) was Pods. And he wasn't on a "must dump list" anyway so he doesn't fit.

Jenks - free; AJ - free; Contreras - a lateral trade for Loiza; Everett had just been singed to a contrat the year we traded for him;

On the other hand, there is a list of such players that were prominently on the block that we acquired that didn't work out.

getonbckthr
12-16-2005, 11:22 AM
You're right,they did give up Soriano. I had my trades confused.

And the only one of those we paid anything for (re players of signficance) was Pods. And he wasn't on a "must dump list" anyway so he doesn't fit.

Jenks - free; AJ - free; Contreras - a lateral trade for Loiza; Everett had just been singed to a contrat the year we traded for him;

On the other hand, there is a list of such players that were prominently on the block that we acquired that didn't work out.
I understand what you were saying, and I know some of those guys were free, I was just pointing out that we have taken on guys who teams didn't want and we won the biggest prize with those guys.

Tragg
12-16-2005, 11:27 AM
I understand what you were saying, and I know some of those guys were free, I was just pointing out that we have taken on guys who teams didn't want and we won the biggest prize with those guys. Well of course - some work out, some don't. I just am looking for a discount when taking such players, considering the risk.
You could really put Dye on your list, too.

getonbckthr
12-16-2005, 11:30 AM
Well of course - some work out, some don't. I just am looking for a discount when taking such players, considering the risk.
You could really put Dye on your list, too.
Oakland let Dye go they had Swisher ready. It wasn't that they didn't want him, just like the Rowand out and Anderson in move.

1917
12-16-2005, 12:30 PM
Oakland let Dye go they had Swisher ready. It wasn't that they didn't want him, just like the Rowand out and Anderson in move.

Oakland wanted Dye out, even without Swisher...they signed him to a 3 year 30 million dollar deal and he gave them 1 half decent performance in 2004, granted he was hurt, but still...they wanted him gone, the fans especially...their loss, our gain!!!:D: