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Bobbo35
12-14-2005, 09:14 PM
This was taken from rotoworld:

Juan Uribe went 2-for-4 with a homer yesterday in his first game for Escogido of the DWL.
He was the DH yesterday. With Neifi Perez on the team, Uribe might not see a lot of time at shortstop.




Hold on here, they better not be saying that Perez is a better shortstop than Juan. Give me a break. What does everyone think?

Soxfanspcu11
12-14-2005, 09:15 PM
Juan Uribe is the best defensive shortstop in MLB, yes I am aware of Derek Jeter and the likes, but Uribe is more skilled, has more range, and an incredible arm. Hands down, Uribe is the most skilled shortstop (defensively) playing today.

Ol' No. 2
12-14-2005, 09:17 PM
This was taken from rotoworld:

Juan Uribe went 2-for-4 with a homer yesterday in his first game for Escogido of the DWL.
He was the DH yesterday. With Neifi Perez on the team, Uribe might not see a lot of time at shortstop.




Hold on here, they better not be saying that Perez is a better shortstop than Juan. Give me a break. What does everyone think? Is this a trick question?

Wimpy
12-14-2005, 09:18 PM
Rotoworld. Are You Nuts?

KRS1
12-14-2005, 09:20 PM
Juan doesnt need extra work at SS, and I'm happy to see he's not burning out his body by playing the position ina tune-up league. Bottom line he doesnt need a defensive tune-up.

SoxFan76
12-14-2005, 09:20 PM
Apparently they missed the World Series.

And SoxFan...11, take it easy there. Let's just say he's one of the premiere defensive shortstops in the league. It's tough to call anybody the "best".

The Wimperoo
12-14-2005, 09:21 PM
Didn't everyone know that NEIFI is the Babe Ruth of Winter Ball?

Unregistered
12-14-2005, 09:21 PM
Juan Uribe is the best defensive shortstop in MLB, yes I am aware of Derek Jeter and the likes, but Uribe is more skilled, has more range, and an incredible arm.Don't worry, I don't think anyone is gonna interject by naming Derek Jeter when talking about the best defensive shortstops in baseball...

Soxfanspcu11
12-14-2005, 09:25 PM
Don't worry, I don't think anyone is gonna interject by naming Derek Jeter when talking about the best defensive shortstops in baseball...

Really? When Uribe dove into the stands in Houston I had to hear over and over and over and over how it was "Jeter-esk" or whatever crap Joe Buck and everyone else had to say about it.

But I am assuming you are referring to people who actually know something about baseball, so I get your point.

Daver
12-14-2005, 09:32 PM
Juan Uribe is the best defensive shortstop in MLB, yes I am aware of Derek Jeter and the likes, but Uribe is more skilled, has more range, and an incredible arm. Hands down, Uribe is the most skilled shortstop (defensively) playing today.

The best SS in MLB plays third base for the Yankees.

Jjav829
12-14-2005, 09:33 PM
This was taken from rotoworld:

Juan Uribe went 2-for-4 with a homer yesterday in his first game for Escogido of the DWL.
He was the DH yesterday. With Neifi Perez on the team, Uribe might not see a lot of time at shortstop.




Hold on here, they better not be saying that Perez is a better shortstop than Juan. Give me a break. What does everyone think?
They're not. Perez is the captain of that team. Shortstop is his position. I believe Rafael Furcal has played on that team and moved to second base. It has nothing to do with who is the better MLB player. It's simply a respect/seniority type thing.

Unregistered
12-14-2005, 09:38 PM
Really? When Uribe dove into the stands in Houston I had to hear over and over and over and over how it was "Jeter-esk" or whatever crap Joe Buck and everyone else had to say about it.

But I am assuming you are referring to people who actually know something about baseball, so I get your point.Well, I think he was referring to that play specifically. IIRC, Jeter made a similar, less spectacular play that was deemed "the best thing to ever happen to anyone or anything, ever." by New York-centric media types.

Which is exactly why Sox fans are mainly the only ones still talking about that ridiculous Uribe play - even though it came with 1 out in the bottom of the 9th in game 4 of the World Series.

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/Whats_Hot_Page/MLB/Portrait%20Plus/Images/Jeter.jpg
"If I played for the Rockies or the Royals, you'd barely know me."

KRS1
12-14-2005, 09:40 PM
The best SS in MLB plays third base for the Yankees.

Cabrera may be his defensive equal, but all-around yes Arod is better. Also, Izturis really flashed some leather last year, enough for me to put him in my top five although he probably will have diminished arm strength after his injury forcing him to 2 bag.

ChiSoxRowand
12-14-2005, 09:49 PM
Why does everyone complain about the WBC when guys play winter ball all the time?

KRS1
12-14-2005, 09:53 PM
Why does everyone complain about the WBC when guys play winter ball all the time?

The proximity which the WBC has to the regular season will do that.

Daver
12-14-2005, 09:58 PM
Why does everyone complain about the WBC when guys play winter ball all the time?

Because it is scheduled to occur during ST, and disrupt the schedules and rosters of ML teams preparing for the season.

wassagstdu
12-14-2005, 10:00 PM
Juan Uribe is the best defensive shortstop in MLB, yes I am aware of Derek Jeter and the likes, but Uribe is more skilled, has more range, and an incredible arm. Hands down, Uribe is the most skilled shortstop (defensively) playing today.

I totally agree. I have been watching shortstops for a long time and I have never seen one who can make all of the plays Uribe makes -- certainly not since Aparicio, and I am not sure whether Uribe might be as good or -- dare I say it -- better. My benchmark is the "Aparicio play:" deep in the hole on the grass, running top speed back to first, spear the ball, jump and throw in one motion without setting feet, and with enough mustard on the ball to get a decent runner at first. I have only seen it done a few (four or five) times since Aparicio retired, and Uribe has done it about half of those in a single season.

I laugh at Jeter's version, where he makes the play from about three steps to his right, way on the infield dirt.

I saw Tony Fernandez do something even more impressive once in infield practice (don't know if he ever did it in a game) where he speared the ball at the edge of the grass, then threw backwards under his left armpit without breaking stride, running away from first.

.

Chisox003
12-14-2005, 10:07 PM
http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/Whats_Hot_Page/MLB/Portrait%20Plus/Images/Jeter.jpg
"If I played for the Rockies or the Royals, you'd barely know me."
:uribe:
"And if I played for the Yankees or Red Sox, my 2-4 game yesterday would've led off Sportscenter today. Oh, and those plays I made in the bottom of the 9th of World Series game 4? You'd see them so much your head would spin."

DeadMoney
12-14-2005, 10:35 PM
Juan Uribe went 2-for-4 with a homer yesterday in his first game for Escogido of the DWL.
He was the DH yesterday. With Neifi Perez on the team, Uribe might not see a lot of time at shortstop.

http://www.escogido.com/images/players/juan_uribe.jpg
I didn't know the DH played the field. Although, the angle of this photo would suggest him playing second base unless of course if they have a photographer in RF.

If anyone is decent in spanish or can translate at all, this link could provide some information regarding the Perez vs. Juan issue (the free translation sites give almost useless translations):
http://www.escogido.com/noticias/anmviewer.asp?a=375&z=5 (http://www.escogido.com/noticias/anmviewer.asp?a=375&z=5)

batmanZoSo
12-14-2005, 10:45 PM
Apparently they missed the World Series.

And SoxFan...11, take it easy there. Let's just say he's one of the premiere defensive shortstops in the league. It's tough to call anybody the "best".

:hawk
Iss' hard to say anyone's the best. But there ain't nobody better.

batmanZoSo
12-14-2005, 10:46 PM
Well, I think he was referring to that play specifically. IIRC, Jeter made a similar, less spectacular play that was deemed "the best thing to ever happen to anyone or anything, ever." by New York-centric media types.

Which is exactly why Sox fans are mainly the only ones still talking about that ridiculous Uribe play - even though it came with 1 out in the bottom of the 9th in game 4 of the World Series.

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/Whats_Hot_Page/MLB/Portrait%20Plus/Images/Jeter.jpg
"If I played for the Rockies or the Royals, you'd barely know me."
Good stuff. :cool:

KRS1
12-14-2005, 10:58 PM
http://www.escogido.com/images/players/juan_uribe.jpg
I didn't know the DH played the field. Although, the angle of this photo would suggest him playing second base unless of course if they have a photographer in RF.

If anyone is decent in spanish or can translate at all, this link could provide some information regarding the Perez vs. Juan issue (the free translation sites give almost useless translations):
http://www.escogido.com/noticias/anmviewer.asp?a=375&z=5 (http://www.escogido.com/noticias/anmviewer.asp?a=375&z=5)
New glove is tighty, Ive always been a fan of the natural tan.:smile:

TimoPerez
12-14-2005, 11:00 PM
http://images.andale.com/f2/111/115/13402006/1130992429733_ies_Dive_Into_Stands_8x10_Photograph .jpg

Enough freaking said.

FarWestChicago
12-14-2005, 11:06 PM
OK, by coming in the morning after Sox games and making my employees watch Uribe "gun" plays, I have Dodger, A's and Giants fans who think he is amazing. I would just play them on my computer and they would say things like, "Oh my god, he was way out in left field when he released that laser beam". Now, we rag each other about our teams all the time, but every one of them ended up liking Juan. The day after the World Series, they were all the ones talking about Juan. I didn't even have to bring it up. :cool:

Jjav829
12-15-2005, 12:21 AM
http://www.escogido.com/images/players/juan_uribe.jpg
I didn't know the DH played the field. Although, the angle of this photo would suggest him playing second base unless of course if they have a photographer in RF.

If anyone is decent in spanish or can translate at all, this link could provide some information regarding the Perez vs. Juan issue (the free translation sites give almost useless translations):
http://www.escogido.com/noticias/anmviewer.asp?a=375&z=5 (http://www.escogido.com/noticias/anmviewer.asp?a=375&z=5)
I have no idea, but I think I found that Tejeda guy who TONY23 wanted the Sox to trade for. :D:

Sin embargo, el relevista de las Estrellas Juan Lara dominó al bateador emergente Juan Tejeda con rodado por el box para doble matanza, iniciada por el plato.

Also, the translation that you get off google is just hilarious to read (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.escogido.com%2Fnotici as%2Fanmviewer.asp%3Fa%3D375%26z%3D5&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools).

The Lions of the Chosen one fell by ninth consecutive time as visitors when losing this Tuesday 5-4 before Eastern Stars, in the Tetelo Stage Vargas of San Pedro de Macorís. In that party Jose Uribe, who shot of 4-2, including a home run with one made debut the stellar Dominican torpedo boat on board. He acted like designated batter. Also the Víctor throwers Santos and Ezequiel Astacio, as well as the concerned gardener made their respective debuts Quincy Foster.

The 10 Lions stuck hits in the challenge, in which they excelled to the Uribe offensive (4-2, with two pushed races and one written down), Neifi Perez (4-2), Jose Kings (4-2), and Alcántara (3-1, with a pushed race). By Stars, they were distinguished to the attack Allen (4-2, with a pushed race), Lopez (4-2, with a produced return) and Phillips (4-2). Guzmán stuck its quadrangular one in four turns and Rogers shot his in five visits to the rubber.

Uribe is a pushed race machine.

:hawk
"The meistro of the one written down!"

:D:

KRS1
12-15-2005, 12:37 AM
I have no idea, but I think I found that Tejeda guy who TONY23 wanted the Sox to trade for. :D:



Also, the translation that you get off google is just hilarious to read (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.escogido.com%2Fnotici as%2Fanmviewer.asp%3Fa%3D375%26z%3D5&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools).



Uribe is a pushed race machine.

:hawk
"The meistro of the one written down!"

:D:


Apparently Juan sank a submarine with his homer that was manned by a single seamen. Wow that is hilarious to read.

Bobbo35
12-15-2005, 07:43 AM
Is this a trick question?

No, it's out of aggravation