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OzzieBall2005
12-09-2005, 07:48 PM
.......who might he be? I've heard about Munoz and Renyoso(?) but do not know much about either of them except Munoz's start in Montreal. What is their better pitches, etc.?

veeter
12-09-2005, 08:09 PM
I have little or no hope for Arnie. Reynoso is interesting. He's got a very live arm but has struggled with his location. No way either makes this great club, IMO.

KRS1
12-09-2005, 08:14 PM
.......who might he be? I've heard about Munoz and Renyoso(?) but do not know much about either of them except Munoz's start in Montreal. What is their better pitches, etc.?

First I just want to say I cant stand seeinf Arnie on the mound before I write this, so in saying that I think Paulino is head and shoulders above Munoz in the race for our second lefty. As I said in another thread I saw Paulino and Corwin Malone pitch in the AFL this season, and have seen both in ST previously. In the AFL Paulino was throwing his slider or slurve whatever you want to call it a heck of a lot and mixing it with a 92-94mph fastball and an alright changeup, while Corwin was on with his wicked curve and alright change a lot with a 90-93 mph fastball. Im not sure what types of fastballs each throws just that they were between the stated #s the times I saw them, but if I had to guess I would say paulino has a sinker to go with his 4 seamer and corwin has a downward 2 seamer. They both have some damn good stuff but finding the zone was trouble for them when I saw them.

RallyBowl
12-10-2005, 12:59 PM
Man, it would be sweet if it was Honel.

KRS1
12-10-2005, 01:11 PM
Man, it would be sweet if it was Honel.

Honel is a righty, you were kidding right?

RallyBowl
12-10-2005, 01:26 PM
Honel is a righty, you were kidding right?

He is?????? Wow, I even went to Providence and for some odd reason always thought he was a lefty. :redface:

KRS1
12-10-2005, 01:35 PM
He is?????? Wow, I even went to Providence and for some odd reason always thought he was a lefty. :redface:

Youre probably thinking of Carmen Pignatello(cubs farmhand), BTW I played against his younger bro. and he sucked big time.:D:

California Sox
12-10-2005, 01:42 PM
Honel's had so much trouble with his right arm, he's switching to leftie.

soxfanreggie
12-10-2005, 02:44 PM
Would be interesting if we did have an ambidextrous reliever. I don't want to see Munoz up on this club. I don't think we ever will either. Reynoso does have talent but is still raw in some area. Seeing how much Myers signed for...I think we should have made a push for him. He is a good lefty specialist IMO. I think Cotts will continue to pitch really really well for us, but we cannot count on him to be the only guy. Cotts is someone who could give us 2-3 innings (or more-he was a good starter in college but hasn't shown that he could be a starter in the bigs) if needed in longer relief, and he is also someone that can be brought in for one guy...but if you use him and have to pull him, you need another arm to turn to.

Tragg
12-10-2005, 05:03 PM
The idea is good, though; what we need is someone to take the position Cotts had in 2003-04 and learn how to pitch from Don and Ozzie. A lot of mop up innings.
On the other hand, perhaps Ozzie really liked having 2 lefties he could put in at any time - Cotts wasn't that until last year.

beck72
12-10-2005, 05:20 PM
If it came down to in house options, my money would be on Munoz. He can throw strikes, which Paulino has trouble doing.

The sox stretching out Munoz as a starter the last two yrs hasn't helped him [it certainly hasn't seemed to help him w/ his secondary pitches]. I'd like to see him have a nice stretch in the bullpen in AAA before everyone writes him off though. The kid is only 23

caulfield12
12-11-2005, 09:46 AM
Would be interesting if we did have an ambidextrous reliever. I don't want to see Munoz up on this club. I don't think we ever will either. Reynoso does have talent but is still raw in some area. Seeing how much Myers signed for...I think we should have made a push for him. He is a good lefty specialist IMO. I think Cotts will continue to pitch really really well for us, but we cannot count on him to be the only guy. Cotts is someone who could give us 2-3 innings (or more-he was a good starter in college but hasn't shown that he could be a starter in the bigs) if needed in longer relief, and he is also someone that can be brought in for one guy...but if you use him and have to pull him, you need another arm to turn to.

Is Greg W. Harris available, lol? Or was it Greg A. Harris that threw from both sides?

caulfield12
12-11-2005, 09:47 AM
If it came down to in house options, my money would be on Munoz. He can throw strikes, which Paulino has trouble doing.

The sox stretching out Munoz as a starter the last two yrs hasn't helped him [it certainly hasn't seemed to help him w/ his secondary pitches]. I'd like to see him have a nice stretch in the bullpen in AAA before everyone writes him off though. The kid is only 23

Munoz would be the equivalent of a Wunsch or Bradford or Myers type.

I think KW prefers the upside of a Malone or Reynoso because they are able to get strikeouts. Munoz´s out pitch is his curve, and I wasn´t THAT impressed with it in the times I have seen him in person.

Maybe there´s a chance we go to the knuckleballer Haeger for this role....as he could start as well and pitch middle relief. The problem is that we already have El Duque for this spot.

With El Duque´s versatility (seemingly), maybe we don´t need another LHR.

Randar68
12-12-2005, 12:15 PM
If it came down to in house options, my money would be on Munoz. He can throw strikes, which Paulino has trouble doing.

The sox stretching out Munoz as a starter the last two yrs hasn't helped him [it certainly hasn't seemed to help him w/ his secondary pitches]. I'd like to see him have a nice stretch in the bullpen in AAA before everyone writes him off though. The kid is only 23
Reynoso could use another year in the minors. He's a converted IF'er. Munoz has the stuff to be effective against lefties. In a relief-only role, I believe he could be successful as a LOOGY. His curve is NASTY and lefties have a very hard time with it. His fastball and change are only average, though, so if he can't throw that curve effectively, he'll get hit.Reynoso has better "stuff" with a power arm. But control and pitching instincts still need refinement, IMO.

UMSox
12-12-2005, 07:12 PM
don't mean to hijack the thread but what does LOOGY stand for?
I gather it means a lefty specialist and it's a pretty funny thing to call a big leaguer, but I can't figure out the acronym!

maurice
12-12-2005, 07:59 PM
Munoz >>> Reynoso in 2006.

IMO, Munoz could be a decent fallback if KW can't add another lefty, but Reynoso is not a realistic option at this point. He's got good stuff, but he's still a work in progress.

delben91
12-12-2005, 08:40 PM
don't mean to hijack the thread but what does LOOGY stand for?
I gather it means a lefty specialist and it's a pretty funny thing to call a big leaguer, but I can't figure out the acronym!

If memory serves...

Lefthanded One Out GuY